Why are original Blue Note pressings so valuable?

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Ken Micallef Jazz Vinyl Audiophile

Ken Micallef Jazz Vinyl Audiophile

6 жыл бұрын

Why do original Blue Note pressings bring such exorbitant sums at auction? I try to shed some light...ALSO, THEY SOUND GREAT...EVEN WITH SCRATCHES!

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@dramned6242
@dramned6242 2 жыл бұрын
The secret behind the unique Blue Note sound and why BN RVG are sounding better than any other RVG recordings for other jazz labels (as Impulse etc.) may be, that Alfred Lion always sat beside Rudy when he mixed the recording for pressing. As he said in a late interview, the BN sound is primarily the Alfred Lion sound. He was just the technician, Alfred the ear. Maybe it was just Rudy's well known modesty, but Alfred was indeed a big factor in the creating of the sound.
@luisdiego22002
@luisdiego22002 4 жыл бұрын
It’s only through shows like your’s that I’ll ever even know the existence of these jewels. It is what it is. Thank you.
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that education, I never knew that about the first pressings!!
@ruhigabay
@ruhigabay 6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful information, you explained to me what I always wanted to know about Blue Note's first press.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, and for watching!.
@sidvicious3129
@sidvicious3129 5 жыл бұрын
Blue Note records are one of a kind and I’m a collector and have been for years with some first and second pressings under my belt. A vg or vg minus sounds. Ether than other labels. These records can take a beating. I have a Lee Morgan Rump Roller, one stereo and one mono and the mono looks beaten to hell. I cleaned it extremely well and a g rated record now sounds like a vg. You are right that there is something about the sound quality that is out of this world and Vangelder ran his mics hot. Rudy Vangelder was a genus and you are right that Bluenote records sell for a lot more than any other label on the whole. Hank Mobleys stuff the older 1500 series is rediculous and vg minus is the norm for selling very high. The liberty pressings with the black and blue label united artists sound great as well. Blue Note is a culture even more valuable than Impulse and Prestige, Columbia which I also collect.
@dramned6242
@dramned6242 2 жыл бұрын
I recently bought my first Blue Note 1st pressing, Jimmy Smith "At the organ" and to listen to it was a mind-blowing experience! I have many BN records, mostly early Japanese pressings or TPs. They all sound great, no doubt. But this magic mono sound of an 1st pressing is so unique, you can't really describe it in words. So now I'm infected an I'm going to sell now my Japanese pressings to buy more of these RVG gems. And in Germany it's really hard to find an affordable copy in a minimum VG. And as a male nurse all better conditions are far beyond of my income... 😂 And of course I buy them to listen, not just to own them. 😊❤️
@tunesfromthemancave2564
@tunesfromthemancave2564 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Not many know the reasons behind the extreme value of 1st Blue Note pressings.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tunes from the Man Cave!
@jurrienvanrooy7469
@jurrienvanrooy7469 6 жыл бұрын
Loved it Ken!
@waxreliquary
@waxreliquary 5 жыл бұрын
This is how I found your channel. I had posted a video asking "What's so great about Blue Note?" When I posted it, the 'Blue Note' gods made your videos pop up in my 'Recommended' feed. You've answered some questions for me, I appreciate you making this video. ~Nicola
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@SuperAtlantis1
@SuperAtlantis1 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks. I bought a reissue yesterday on blue note. I just discovered these recently.
@eleven57icare
@eleven57icare 3 жыл бұрын
First pressing originals, nothing like them. They're not to be played. It's not about the sound quality. They are the first generation documentation of the greatest music ever produced. I wouldn't purchase a first pressing hard cover copy of a book to highlight and dog ear the pages. It goes on the shelf and I can listen to the e-book.
@alansenzaki4609
@alansenzaki4609 6 жыл бұрын
great informative video ken. i always learn somthing new. wow you worked at fred cohens legendary shop! i agree with you on the sound of the originals. i'll never forget an experience i had with a rare mint original hank mobley ( with art farmer #1550 ) this is back in the mid-nineties and i had just put together a nice analogue system ( audio research, vandersteen, oracle, sme5 etc. ) i found this mint copy from a small shop in san francisco. the dealer said take a look in this box he had on the floor. i couldnt believe it, i asked why he was selling these rare items and he said the guy wanted to replace his vinyl collection with cd's!!! anyhow when i played this album i was absolutely stunned. it was as if he was playing in my living room, i dont think i have had an experience like that ever again. the realistic vivid yet warm sound i'll never forget. unfortunately years later i had to sell that record and system because of financial difficulties and think of that record. it definitly was a piece of art like a rare painting. it would be selling for thousands of dollars today. i have a music matters reissue but its not the same... but it was a great experience...i think part of the problem on top of what you said is the original tapes are just worn out. thanks again ken. the blue note experience has never been better explained!!
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 6 жыл бұрын
Good story Alan!
@1999zrx1100
@1999zrx1100 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as usual 😎
@cathyhunsaker4964
@cathyhunsaker4964 6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff man.... Nice Lps as well.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment.
@atane-ofiaja
@atane-ofiaja 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I inherited a lot of original pressings, including a lot of Blue Notes. I sold the more expensive titles (i.e. Hank Mobley 1568) because quite frankly, I'm not keeping $5k + LPs on my shelf for the sake of it. I'm completely content with the fidelity of Music Matters, Analogue Productions etc, but you're right about the magic of original Blue Notes.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 6 жыл бұрын
I understand your feelings, totally. Thanks!
@coolmickey68
@coolmickey68 4 жыл бұрын
I love my Blue Note albums, BN80 and Tone Poet, plus what I already had, even 75th anniversary!!!! egads! But at my age, I don't have the time or money to search out originals, alas I have to do with what I got. Great info, love Freds interviews BTW
@reisserjean-michelakabeeth8551
@reisserjean-michelakabeeth8551 6 жыл бұрын
I really love the way that you present things and talk about them. This is great ! Keep on doing this please ! But now, why, today, with all the materials (hard and softwares), the engineers, the computers etc. , can't we reproduce THIS so amazing sound of the Blue Note first pressings ? Any explanations or ideas ?
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac 6 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the sound of recordings has less to do with technology and more about the taste/ears of the engineers and producers. Either you know what good sound sounds like, or you don't.
@alansenzaki4609
@alansenzaki4609 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac i agree with you. rudy at blue note had his sound, roy dunann at contemporary had his sound, ray fowler and bill schwartau at riverside, and tom dowd at atlantic. they all had great ears...and of course most of it was analogue tube equipment...but great ears.
@MrLovell1971
@MrLovell1971 6 жыл бұрын
Ken that Lee Morgan looks beautiful so hard to come by these days I have better luck with 60s blue note those 50s 1500 series blue notes go almost to the thousands.
@DefenestrateYourself
@DefenestrateYourself 5 жыл бұрын
@T Bone $3.50. Best I can do.
@taineasy
@taineasy 4 жыл бұрын
With all due respect I have never understood the inflated values. Been a Jazz collector for over 45 years and can not hear any difference between first , second or third pressings. I have a high end system with MC cartridge and $20K speakers and I' m not hearing it. Have about 200 BNotes and maybe 40-50 original pressings from my father. Don't get me wrong. BNotes are wonderful sounding records but the whole first pressing "pump" escapes me. Recently compared a first press 59 Blakey Moanin (mono) to a mid 60's version and they are identical. I also disagree with your comments on Prestige records. First pressing Prestige can sound every bit as good as BN's especially if they are DJ or Promo versions, which were all hand inspected before shipping. Have sold quite a few of the first pressings for stupid money and have never regretted it.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you can't hear it. It's not like I'm the first one to say it. You're probably right about the Prestige vs Blue Note sound re first pressings.
@itsvladzino3246
@itsvladzino3246 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a placebo ‘my collection is worth thousands of $´ and ‘I have it, you don’t’ ego-thing. Apple Music and earpods is it. Best sound is heard via headsets through lossless digifiles, CEO of one of the world’s most reputable hi-fi manufacturers confirmed. I do like old printing and old paper. So as a fun object, a few old records are cool to own. Just don’t become stupid about it. Get a life! Peace.
@DefenestrateYourself
@DefenestrateYourself 4 жыл бұрын
itsvlad zino Vinyl and digital is apples and oranges. One’s not inherently superior to the other. There’s many variables at play: mixing, mastering, one’s setup and one’s sonic preferences among other things. Think about it another way - Why use a fireplace when a furnace is more efficient? Why use cast iron when Teflon is easier? They have different strengths and weaknesses. What digital never delivers is a slowed-down, ritualistic music experience that focuses the listener on the music. Nor does it offer tangible enjoyment like vinyl does. Have fun passing down FLAC files to your grandchildren (god forbid you reproduce). Only morons try to over-simplify a debate like musical preference the way you have. Get a life, sweetheart! 😘
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 2 жыл бұрын
@@itsvladzino3246 That's your opinion not fact.
@markielinhart
@markielinhart 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken...
@JakeLionsWorld
@JakeLionsWorld 9 ай бұрын
Always been curious how many blue note records were produced, first and second pressings, 50s thru the mid 60s. As price is both supply and demand, was it just that these were produced in such limited quantities? Or were jazz fans the kind to trash their records en masse leaving only a few around today? When I see what well produced, beautiful products they were, I am surprised there are just not more around - or were they produced in comparable numbers to other records you see every day, it's just that tens of thousands of people have scooped them up and locked them away in their vaults?
@tweakerman
@tweakerman 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Ken, I'm just interested in what your system is, turntable, amps, & speakers, another great video, I'm learning so much.
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 5 жыл бұрын
Kuzma table, Shindo electronics, DeVore Fidelity speakers. Thank you TM!.
@ironcloudz52
@ironcloudz52 4 жыл бұрын
So if the later pressings sound inferior (even on 180g vinyl?) do you think the Mosaic CD re-issues -- those sourced from the master tape -- are better sounding than the former vinyls?
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455
@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 4 жыл бұрын
I know nothing and can't comment on the CDs, sorry. Though Mosaic does stellar work.
@jeffboettcher2531
@jeffboettcher2531 4 ай бұрын
Heck, there was a '72 UA reissue, that's on Discogs for "only" $300!! Yikes.
@ralex3697
@ralex3697 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like the originals, but way out of my price range
@jerryjazzbo2845
@jerryjazzbo2845 3 жыл бұрын
The originals are just too damn expensive these days. Record companies back then were just too careless about the way they preserved their master tapes. They didn't really care about quality control of reissues as long as people were buying them and couldn't tell the audio difference. Someone once told me ages ago that the music business was the dirtiest...next to boxing.
@mosfet500
@mosfet500 2 жыл бұрын
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