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@corleth2868 Жыл бұрын
I always assumed that the seats were that way to help Londoners perfect their skills in avoiding eye contact and to make them look at all the adverts.
@julianaylor4351 Жыл бұрын
Or read the Poems On The Tube cards. 😊
@paveladamek3502 Жыл бұрын
More like strangers’ crotches. A sitting passenger is directly facing a standing passenger’s lap/butt.
@beachbum4691 Жыл бұрын
@@paveladamek3502 (you weren't supposed to notice) + (with respect) As per @ianthomson9363 comment below: I realised longitudinal seating gave the opportunity for more standing passengers, but I did not realise that it impacted the number of passengers you could put into a double level/double decker train of the sort we have in Sydney Au' or which also exist in hundreds of other cities around the world., need I say a blinding flash of the obvious?, another Jago insight a consequence. it is a lot cheaper to go for a double-decker train than double the length of an underground train platform!!!!!! (the bean counters would have noticed). subscribed long ago: thank you Jago
@tannhauser539911 ай бұрын
@corleth2868 - nah, that is the default setting for Londoners - no need to train for it, or have some different seats :) We can do that even without those seats, or on a bus (riding from Waterloo station to some office in the middle of London), different kind of trains (from Southwest trains to othes), or on the Tube (hello to the rush hour on Waterloo, Euston, Victoria - on the way to work, and back). That is pretty much a "default setting" for the "Londoners" ;)
@tannhauser539911 ай бұрын
@@paveladamek3502 - only if you think about "crotches" :) -> and believe me... during the rush hours, in the middle of summer in London (with some of the Tube being deep underground) - nobody sane would think that, due to the heat and lack of air con. But then again, this could be London... after all we have a "London’s Annual 'No Trousers Tube Ride'" - plenty of photos about it out there... ;)
@ianthomson9363 Жыл бұрын
I knew that longitudinal seating gives space for more passengers, but I didn't know that the wheels were sited below the seats. Thank you for increasing my knowledge and slightly reducing my dislike of this arrangement.
@IshtarNike Жыл бұрын
I remember when they were transverse on the Victoria line. Now that I've grown up I really hate transverse seating unless it's a full national rail train. It just feels extra awkward to be sat so close to ONE other person. Feels like you're sitting together. I feel like transverse seating encourages even more inefficient seating arrangements as people avoid sitting next to each other even more than normal.
@mythdecker6923 Жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same too, ruining everyone's seating experience just to fit 1 or 2 more people in is not worth it to be the public standard. But now knowing there's a more technical problem to it and it makes sense now
@PJWey Жыл бұрын
Plus the recognition of our AI Cyberpunk reality. 😊
@beachbum4691 Жыл бұрын
(with respect) As per @ianthomson9363 comment below: I realised longitudinal seating gave the opportunity for more standing passengers, but I did not realise that it impacted the number of passengers you could put into a double level/double decker train of the sort we have in Sydney Au' or which also exist in hundreds of other cities around the world., need I say a blinding flash of the obvious?, another Jago insight a consequence. it is a lot cheaper to go for a double-decker train than double the length of an underground train platform!!!!!! (the bean counters would have noticed). subscribed long ago: thank you Jago.,
@beachbum4691 Жыл бұрын
@@mythdecker6923 (with respect) As per @ianthomson9363 comment below: I realised longitudinal seating gave the opportunity for more standing passengers, but I did not realise that it impacted the number of passengers you could put into a double level/double decker train of the sort we have in Sydney Au' or which also exist in hundreds of other cities around the world., need I say a blinding flash of the obvious?, another Jago insight a consequence. it is a lot cheaper to go for a double-decker train than double the length of an underground train platform!!!!!! (the bean counters would have noticed). subscribed long ago: thank you Jago
@caw25sha Жыл бұрын
The seats face forwards but the trains move sideways.
@OntarioTrafficMan Жыл бұрын
Half the seats face backwards
@kusko99 Жыл бұрын
Thats the real answer
@Maxo11x Жыл бұрын
The carcinisation of the railway
@luobomu9747 Жыл бұрын
*mind blown* 🤯
@InventorZahran Жыл бұрын
@@Maxo11xThe metacarcinization of the railway conversation.
@tdp2612 Жыл бұрын
I think another benefit, even if not an original reason, is that nobody ends up facing 'backwards'. Everyone can handle moving sidewards on a train without feeling ill, but some get dizzy when not facing forward
@mdhazeldine Жыл бұрын
Didn't think about the wheels. Good point. Another benefit: The interior is taller in the middle, where people stand, but you don't need it to be as tall at the sides where people sit, so you can make the roof curved for the tunnels without having to make people tilt their head. The only place this doesn't work is at the doors.....which is why it's common for people to get their head bonked by the closing doors in rush hour. haha.
@user-hj1wp1dt2g10 ай бұрын
haha such a smart analysis and so true
@moonbreath1637 Жыл бұрын
A few more that come to mind: -Transverse seating usually has wide / paired seats, in which case one seat gets blocked and becomes less efficient to fill or vacate than longitudinal seats that are all accessible. -Transverse seats tend to dictate the legroom, whereas longitudinal seats allow for dynamic legroom - allowing you to have quite a lot when it's not too busy. -With longitudinal seating everything is totally open to cameras and / or anyone inspecting the train, whereas transverse seating provides crannies that can hide objects, activites, etc.
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
Activities you say? Best to not think too much about that.
@DaveTexas Жыл бұрын
Quite interesting. I always figured the longitudinal seating was there for the ease of loading and unloading passengers quickly. In traditional train seating (two by two forward-facing seats), the person seated on the aisle must get up to allow someone to enter or exit the window seat. The people getting up to do this then block the aisle, preventing others from either finding a seat or exiting. The longitudinal seating allows everyone who is exiting to simply stand up and head for an exit. It keeps the trains moving, essentially. The wheel thing had never occurred to me. I learn something new on KZfaq every day!
@gracewenzel Жыл бұрын
The idea of “scaling passengers down” is grim, but also a sound premise for a dystopian satire of some kind.
@normanstevens4924 Жыл бұрын
Already been done. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrustes
@NickCBax Жыл бұрын
There is also the fun kids version en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey,_I_Shrunk_the_Kids
@NickCBax Жыл бұрын
And the fun adult version en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innerspace
@wta15186 ай бұрын
@@normanstevens4924 So that means that for larger trains, we need to stretch the passengers?
@iZ-the-Egoni6 ай бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_%27Em_Out_by_Friday
@QuarioQuario54321 Жыл бұрын
This also explains the somewhat unusual door layout of having double doors in the middle of the car and then single doors at the ends. Normal trains can have doors literally right on top of bogies.
@MarioFanGamer659 Жыл бұрын
Yup, that's the quirks of low floor trains.
@cv990a4 Жыл бұрын
How does low-floor designs impact (if at all) open gangway designs? Seems like the Tube could benefit from such, allowing people to move between carriages more easily in crowded situations.
@QuarioQuario54321 Жыл бұрын
@@cv990a4 the way the sube does it, seemingly not, but New Tube for London will have a massive design change where the coaches are much shorter and a very different door and wheel layout
@squeaksvids5886 Жыл бұрын
@@cv990a4The new Siemens trains for the Piccadilly line will have open gangways like the S Stock.
@cv990a4 Жыл бұрын
@@QuarioQuario54321 Like the Glasgow Subway, which has gone to open gangways along with a shorter carriage.
@glynwelshkarelian3489 Жыл бұрын
The wheels are also the reason for the oddities in some bus interiors. The position of the stairs, the 'luggage' area, the rear facing seats at the back, the single one at the front.
@PlanetoftheDeaf Жыл бұрын
The 73s on the Piccadilly line used to have transverse seating in the middle of the carriage, but were converted to sideways ones when the trains were refurbished. All the other types of trains (92, 95, 96, 09, S7) with only sideways seating were delivered like that.
@FindecanorNotGmail Жыл бұрын
Also, ceiling height. People tend to lean forwards when they sit down and stand up again, which means lower chance of them bumping their heads on the _cylindnrical_ ceiling if facing inwards. I found that ceiling ridiculously low and claustrophobic when visiting London, compared to the undergrounds cars in other major cities in Europe.
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
No other city I'm aware of has such small tunnels that the cars have to be that rounded. Makes them kinda cute and cozy though and the curved doors with curved windows are pretty cool too. Also the round passenger tunnels all over the place in the stations are unusual. And rounded stations. In most like NYC the station walls (the one on the other side of the car across from the platform) are only typically rounded at the last station before going under a river. Little tunnels all over the place in the London Underground. Hence: The Tube. Maybe shoulda been called The Tubes.
@georgebailey8179 Жыл бұрын
As a tall man, I've always hated that low ceiling. Sometimes I've avoided joining a packed carriage where I'd be stuck near the door, in the hope that the next train would let me stand nearer the centre.
@TimothyEBaldwin Жыл бұрын
@@emjayay The Glasgow Subway is even smaller, also with curved windows and doors.
@oscca7756 Жыл бұрын
Visiting London i 2012, and being quite tall, I wasn't aware enough of those curved doors. As they closed, they bumped my head, and it was only reflexes that saved me from getting caught between them. From a corner of the carriage, a low voice whispered to themselves: "Of with their heads". For ten years, every now and then I've been thinking about that joke. That random guy made my day.
@TimothyEBaldwin Жыл бұрын
@@oscca7756 The doors have limited strength, pressure sensors and someone is looking to see that noone is trapped. Also there are emergency stop buttons for passengers to use.
@peterjohncooper Жыл бұрын
I learn at least one thing per Jago episode. I can't believe there are still things I don't know about the world. If Jago extended the range of his videos a bit I would soon know everything there is to know about everything and therefore be unassailable in pub quizzes.
@marcocura295 Жыл бұрын
Unless of course, he was on the opposing team.
@peterjohncooper Жыл бұрын
@@marcocura295 Bah. Hadn't thought of that.
@adiuntesserande6893 Жыл бұрын
@@peterjohncooper "I taught you everything you know, yes. But I haven't taught you everything *I* know."
@neville132bbk Жыл бұрын
An increase in knowledge loading....in height/depth , width/breadth or both? ....LeviNZ wonders....
@peterjohncooper Жыл бұрын
@@neville132bbk i have an unlimited knowledge loading gauge
@PokhrajRoy. Жыл бұрын
Comment: “How does seating on the Tube work.” Jago: “It’s a longitudinal story.”
@ianhelps3749 Жыл бұрын
The refurbished S- Bahn trains in Munich now have "cuddle corners" (Kuschelecken). At the end of each unit, there is a continuous seat which starts off as transverse, then wraps around the window, the back of the cab and round to the other side. Supposed to be for families or romantic couples.
@teecefamilykent Жыл бұрын
I do like the Munich and Berlin u-bhan and s-bahn
@iank-dz6gg Жыл бұрын
AS you say in your description "Welcome to the wonderful world of interior design" . A few years ago I was involved in the upgrade / replacement of the lifts in various underground stations, where we were given the same task as the train manufacturers, to make as much space as possible even though the lift shaft is the same size as before. It seems we arrived at the same solutions - build as wide as you can & stick everything inside the car. Add to that, because of the unique tiling in each station, each station had its own quirks. Shame they smashed up the murals when they rebuilt Tottenham Court Road. Why was that allowed to happen?
@michaeljohnson9421 Жыл бұрын
If you mean Edward Paolozzi's mosaics, they didn't smash them up. They are still there, although some were moved to new locations in the station complex. A few were donated to Edinburgh College of Art, where Paolozzi was once a student. I'd suggest Jago makes a video about them, but TfL has already done one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLKgqrWe3p69eYU.htmlsi=EFBfr8noutrr7rTw
@iank-dz6gg Жыл бұрын
@@michaeljohnson9421 Yes I did, I couldn`t remember his name (to lazy to google). I knew some had been relocated / preserved but unaware that some had gone north. I was under the impression that some had been destroyed for good. Thank you.
@SportyMabamba Жыл бұрын
@@iank-dz6ggthat nearly was the result but the public outcry was so severe that TfL had to spend the sums to safely preserve them when they rebuilt the station for Crossrail
@iank-dz6gg Жыл бұрын
@@SportyMabamba Well that is good news. If I needed the removal of a single tile an inquest was held, "Can you not fit the new into the same box the old was in", was a constant thing, especially on the Pic line { its all listed}. But I do like the new entrance, much better than those staircases on the corner. Glad the mosaics will still live on.😄
@tonys1636 Жыл бұрын
A lot of space was wasted in the old lifts at stations that only had deep level lift access by the space needed for the lift attendant. Seem to remember they counted the passengers on so as not to overload the lift but still counted kids as an adult, 25 persons was 24 persons plus themself.
@tonyshield5368 Жыл бұрын
The length of the carriage is also part of the loading guage and determines the radius of curves and the overhang of carriages - so that the corners of opposing trains do not collide or hit the tunnel walls. Just love your channel.
@mikehiggins4079 Жыл бұрын
Now I realise why you step up when boarding the sub-surface trains and down on to deep level trains that use the same platforms.
@AaronOfMpls Жыл бұрын
It's also why platforms have humps and dips, I'd imagine: so at least _some_ doors are level with the platform (for wheelchair/stroller accessibility) regardless of the floor height.
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
@@AaronOfMpls I was wondering about that the last time I was in London and asked someone. They knew. Most places do manage to make car (carriage) floors and platforms more the same level. Mind the Gap!
@GojiMet86 Жыл бұрын
Sideways seating is also the preferred layout in NYC for the same crowding reasons. It allows for better crowd dispersal, even if there are less seats available. The older R46 and R68/R68A have the mixed transverse/sideways layout. It's fun to look out the window without craning your neck 180 degrees. However, when crowds form, the transverse seats create an extra pinch point, because they narrow the aisle.
@hannahk130611 ай бұрын
It also has the advantage of making it easier to quickly spot empty seats (especially usually on a packed commuter train). Whereas with a traditional train layout you essentially have to walk the length of the carriage to check for free seats (assuming you can get down it at all).
@badatfootball4698 Жыл бұрын
Genius! You should do a video on passenger etiquette on the Underground (i.e. using the escalators, standing in the cars, getting on and off, ticket barriers etc).
@roberthuron9160 Жыл бұрын
In New York parlance,that type of seating is called bowling alley,as there is a direct line right through the middle of the car! The streetcars,and buses both used that type of seating due to a tight loading Guage also! See Shillibeers bus in the transit museum! In New York and elsewhere in the US,the horse buses,copied London and Paris,so when the horsecars came along,so did the seating! The trolleys did the same,but the Interurbans went to bay seating for long distance comfort! The railroads also had that type of seating,but that's another story! Thank you,Jago,for another excursion into the fanny culture! Thank you 😇 😊!
@stickynorth Жыл бұрын
Another home run, JH! As an Edmontonian, Im still obsessed with the deep-level tube and how a functioning metro system can fit within the dimensions of a standard Boring Company 12 foot tunnel with a bit of wiggle room to spare... Meanwhile our Valley line is still having issue after issue and is still 3-4 years behind schedule... SMH..
@MeFreeBee Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jago. It has often irked me, when travelling to King's Cross to catch a train to Edinburgh, that my luggage stowed neatly out the way under my seat on the District line, but when I change onto the Piccadilly at Hammersmith it wouldn't. Now I know why, there's wheels down there.
@danielwoodhouse5531 Жыл бұрын
Classic example of all this The C Stock refurbishment of 1991 All the seats were transverse before, and longitudinal after, and it was amazing how they still managed to keep a 4 seat bay on the refurbs even though you'd think there was only room for 3.
@MarioFanGamer659 Жыл бұрын
It's definitively interesting to see how the problems of low-floor trains have been solved throughout the time. In fact, one of the first underground railways, the Budapest M1, also is a low-floor system with the stock being more typical of (articulated) trams than your average metro albeit without a gangway between the individual cars (transverse seats are placed above the wheels). Nowadays, 100% low-floor trams are quite common with fully walkthrough cars and also allowing for transverse seating, though you still can see the limitations there like static bogies and sometimes weird seating placements (if 1+2 seating is used which is typically of the more narrow trams).
@Dave_Sisson Жыл бұрын
That's interesting, Melbourne has a huge tram network, so they often order new trams in batches of 100. But they manage to have conventional seating on low floor trams by having the wheels under back to back seats and connect the bogies together with metal rods below the tram floor.
@eechauch5522 Жыл бұрын
@@Dave_Sissonyeah, that’s how most standard gauge trams do it. But quite a few old European tram systems only have a track gauge of 1m and the vehicles are therefore quite narrow. They only have room for 2+1 seating on the widest portions. Combined with being very low to the ground they sometimes have quite strange seating arrangements around the bogeys to maximize the useable space. For example, here in Augsburg they have 2 transverse seats on one side and 3 longitudinal seats on the other in a sort of semicircle. There’s just no way to put the seats on top of the bogeys, because you’d need a step up, which there’s no room for, unless you make the entire bogey area higher floor (which honestly would have been the better call in my opinion). But it would prevent the 100% low floor, so I get why they do it the way it is.
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
@@eechauch5522 Low floor buses have to arrange the seats around the wheel wells too plus having the rear of the floor a step up to make space for the power train to the rear wheels.
@johnkeepin7527 Жыл бұрын
@@emjayay Which was the reason why the old Bristol Lodekka buses had longitudinal seats over the rear wheels, as well as the arrangement for the drive train you mention.
@paulhaynes8045 Жыл бұрын
On a bit of a tangent, I would argue that Budapest's line 1 is not just one of the earliest underground lines, it is THE first. OK, somewhat contentious, I'll admit - but it all hinges on the definition of 'underground'. If you define it as a railway built intentionally and entirely underground, then you can conveniently ignore the Metropolitan and District, as both these were originally built just as sections of 'normal' railways, to get round the restriction on building railways in the City. They only went underground because they had to, they didn't set out to build a self-contained underground railway. Whereas Budapest's Line 1 was conceived right from the start as an underground railway. Excluding sidings, it doesn't surface anywhere and it isn't part of a larger surface railway. It is therefore arguably the world's first intentional underground railway. Although there is one small fly in the ointment, of course - the C&SL - as it was inconveniently built first. But, and I accept that it's a hell of a 'but' the C&SL is a deep level tube. So, if you define an 'underground railway' as one just under the ground, and not a 'tube', then Line 1 is once again the first real underground railway. I appreciate that that is a hell of a logical and symantic jump. But it's one I am prepared to make...
@bonaquack Жыл бұрын
Once I had a visitor from nyc and he complained about how stupid the design was that instead of a luggage space under the seats there was a useless box. I didn't have an answer then but later I knew that it is an extremely smart design.
@Magda444lena Жыл бұрын
Watching this while sitting sideways on a tube seat
@Shalott63 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the point about the wheels, which I hadn't realised before. My main gripe with longitudinal seating, especially for longer trips, is that every time the train accelerates or decelerates you're thrown sideways, which I find much more uncomfortable and tiring than when you are facing forwards/backwards according to the motion of train. The main point that people seem to make, about having to sit Facing Another Person (horror), applies just as much to transverse seating if the seats are arranged in groups facing one another, which transverse seating always is/was on the Underground.
@mpersad Жыл бұрын
I took the advantage of your Incogni discount a few weeks ago, and I'm delighted I did. I had no idea how much my info was shared. So, thank you I feel more secure. And, thank you, this was another terrific video.
@MPSpecial Жыл бұрын
that's an interesting topic I heard a lot of people wondering why Paris still prefers transverse seating to this day, although nowadays trains also have longitudinal seating at carriage ends. Paris metro trains have a bigger loading gauge, but aren't very wide at all, so sideways seating doesn't make much sense and doesn't save any room
@arthurvasey Жыл бұрын
We used to go to Whitby on the Esk Valley Line - when it gets to Battersby, the train changes direction - the trains that used to run on that line, most of the seats were all pointing in the same direction, apart from two at the end that were facing each other - my mother didn’t like travelling backwards, if she could avoid it, so we sat in those seats that faced each other and swapped seats at Battersby! Mam’s reasoning was “I like to see where I’m going, not where I’ve been! If all the seats faced sideways, we wouldn’t have that problem - if the train has to pull out of a station the way it went in, you’re still travelling in the right direction, as it were - should have these seats on mainline trains - as it is, the trolley dolly (or geezer) can’t get the trolley through that tiny corridor - in the days of a buffet car, that used to be in the middle of the train - it was like a game in Jeux Sans Frontières where you had to get your food and drink back to your seat without spilling it down other passengers or ruining their computers or whatever - they moved it to the rear of the train at one point - today, it’s someone with a trolley - used to have a restaurant car on the old Inter-City that served full meals! With sideways- facing seats, if they also have a little thing between them, you could put your suitcase in that and you can also go to the toilet without endangering your life as well - and get off the train at your destination station easier! Although it’s less cramped than a coach - those little poles under the seats on coaches act like tourniquets - if you’re sat still for ages, when you finally get off, it’s like you’re paralysed and can’t walk!
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
On most systems with front/rear facing seats half are one way and half the other. (Either half the car each way or all the seats in facing or backing pairs). Old streetcars (trams) sometimes had backs that flipped from one side to the other so all the seats could face the right way.
@magnushultgrenhtc Жыл бұрын
Another factor for the passengers is how easy or difficult it is to embark or disembark. Stockholm very recently introduced sideways seating on the newest metro sets, and one of the reasons was to reduce uneven crowding by the doors. For fear of missing their stop, people hesitate to step into the aisles, and instead stay and block the doors. (They're probably the same people who make sure to grab a seat while waiting in line at a fast food restaurant, "because all the seats will be taken". It doesn't matter that they're objectively wrong, their behaviour is still going to exist.)
@Krzyszczynski Жыл бұрын
"Door sentries", those characters have been called. Been a recognised nuisance for decades.
@isashax Жыл бұрын
Had never thought of that! That was very informative!
@ricequackers Жыл бұрын
The downside of longitudinal seating of course is you usually end up directly facing someone, which is always a bit uncomfortable.
@jamesharmer9293 Жыл бұрын
Especially in Britain.
@deadaccount2048 Жыл бұрын
Its so awkward XD I always have to stare at my phone and try not to bug out or just stand (to avoid it) Okay I have bad social anxiety Ik I’m being a bit dramatic there but still
@peterclark211 Жыл бұрын
You are probably more popular than you were expecting, and well deserved.
@amethyst7084 Жыл бұрын
Great to get some latitude (excuse the pun) on this, Jago. Thanks for the knowledge. I do miss the transverse seats (though leg room was challenging) that we used to have on the District Line trains (and the green-lined interiors), but the walk-through carriages we have now are a huge benefit.
@nutsnproud6932 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation Jago.
@javindo Жыл бұрын
Nothing more unpleasant than awkwardly jamming knees with a stranger on a busy bakerloo line train!
@pj_naylor Жыл бұрын
Tube trains are luxuriously roomy compared with a Lodekka bus.
@jasonschubert6828 Жыл бұрын
That was so incredibly interesting! Funny that (some of) the trams here in Melbourne use a similar idea (much less efficiently) to make the floors of the trams lower, but I honestly never thought of that for tube trains!
@MartinBrenner Жыл бұрын
Thanks, this was a very insightful video. I knew the principle from low floor trams but then the location of the wheels is a lot more obvious then in tube carriages.
@harkinsclark1417 Жыл бұрын
I'm logging this as "something I really didn't need to know but am somehow glad I now do"
@Damien.D Жыл бұрын
despite having a pretty large loading gauge, with transverse seating as a norm, Paris metro is slowly but surely converting to more and more sideway seating. It's more compatible with full wall-thru trains for quickly cramming as many people as possible, without having to resort to the unethical solution of cutting their arms off. Tiz just a flesh wound.... "Ticket please!" How can I show you my ticket? I have no arms!
@jack_2000 Жыл бұрын
2:56 hey, nice to see Bury here!
@creaturexxii Жыл бұрын
I know that for the SkyTrain in British Columbia, Canada it uses rather small trains (2.65 meters wide) yet nearly all of the seats are transverse. But since the SkyTrains are rather tall (3.275 meters) it allows for more vertical space and since it uses Linear Induction Motors it has smaller diameter wheels (585 mm) allowing for more space. I know that longitudinal is preferred for high capacity systems but as a passenger I like transverse. Ideally there should be a mix of both to cater to a passengers need.
@TheRandCrews11 ай бұрын
Toronto Subway has a mix of longitudinal and front facing seats, almost like a bus or a streetcar. Probably my fave in sitting arrangements
@RC534 Жыл бұрын
Ok... I thought that mainly it was about head room for taller people. I'm tall and know how annoying overhead luggage storage racks can be if you're trying to stand up from a window side seat in a crowded train. Never thought it was about space for the wheels... an eye opener!
@roderickmain9697 Жыл бұрын
Buses do much the same and even single deckers that have the engine in the rear have raised seating to cover the engine bay. Simples
@MisterTea74 Жыл бұрын
Well I never knew that! I have a fairly comprehensive (nerdy) knowledge about a lot of such things but I’d never heard that or figured it out. I thank you sir, you are the font to my knowledge
@chiefpred9982 Жыл бұрын
And I can’t help but mention noticing that the old Metropolitan A Stock used to be fully transverse seating, not a single longitudinal seat.
@JagoHazzard Жыл бұрын
As it happens, there’s a video in the queue on this.
@chiefpred9982 Жыл бұрын
@@JagoHazzard heh, lol
@MrMaxemme Жыл бұрын
It’s embarrassing how much I like your nerdy videos like this.
@rupep2424 Жыл бұрын
Makes it bigger inside & smaller outside for trips down black holes - we're all travelling in Dr Who's Tardis 😊
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I hadn’t realised these were low floor trains. Makes a lot of sense though. Wonder why some seats aren’t made longitudinal on those recent main-line trains with low-floor entrances for level boarding, but which raise the seats over the wheels to keep them transverse all the way. Much like in buses. But a switch to longitudinal around the entrances would seem less disruptive to the flow of the train than a step in the middle, surely?
@brianfretwell3886 Жыл бұрын
I love the way the recorded announcements say "The doors will open on the right hand side" (or left hand side) which really means nothing when seated sideways to the direction of travel. I've always thought they should treat the train as a ship and say port or starboard side.🤣
@NickyMitchell85 Жыл бұрын
Well, Sir Jago Hazzard. I hope 🤞 you enjoy 😉 reading 📖 this threefold comment of mine about this “Longitudinal Tale From Da Tube”! If you did, why not give it a ❤️! *Until this video, I’d always wondered why seats 💺 on a tube train 🚋 were sideways. But when you said it was to provide more space for passengers, it soon 🔜 made sense to me.* *I wonder 💭 if other metros 🚈 and underground 🚇 systems have their seats 💺 sideways? New York City, Paris, Kyiv, Moscow and Tokyo and the likes 👍 should do it like 👍 London tube trains 🚇.* *……and you, Sir Jago Hazzard are the “Sensible Ceiling” to my ‘KZfaq Passenger’.*
@HuggyBob62 Жыл бұрын
Scaling passengers down reminds me of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". More seriously, I always thought the design was to help passengers on and off more quickly when most people are only travelling for a few minutes.
@cv990a4 Жыл бұрын
Mr Hazzard, would be great to get a video on the New Tube for London carriages. I didn't know the longitudinal seats were an artifact of the low floor, but makes total sense.
@Vondrool10 ай бұрын
I personally always thought it was for speed or something, like it's easier to get out a tube seat then a normal trains seat because on a normal train you need to deal with the bloke on the aisle seat
@southwestkinema9149 Жыл бұрын
Bakerloo line was always strange to me for that reason and it's like a bloody sauna on that line too. Underground in the heat, face to face with a stranger. Lovely.
@ianmcclavin Жыл бұрын
I miss the "A" Stock , which had transverse (i.e. forward and backward facing) seating throughout. I think this was behind the reason to put some transverse seating on the "S7" Stock, which it replaced, on the Metropolitan Line services.
@JagoHazzard Жыл бұрын
As it happens, I have a video in the queue examining this.
@deadaccount2048 Жыл бұрын
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@jamesgilbart2672 Жыл бұрын
Interesting! I had never considered that on some tube trains the wheels are accommodated within the longitudinal seating. Actually, that restricted loading gauge can be an issue - my son is 6' 6" (2m) tall and he has a problem standing in the deep level tube trains
@street-level Жыл бұрын
There is another reason. It helps those who cannot decide whether to "face the engine" or tavel "back to the engine".
@AaronOfMpls Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the trainsets have drivers' cabs at both ends, so either end can be the "front" without having to turn them around at the end of the line.
@railquest Жыл бұрын
I wonder why longitudinal seats are used on some of the modern mainline stock such as the LO 710s. Is that purely to increase standing room perhaps? Great video as always
@PlanetoftheDeaf Жыл бұрын
To increase standing room and make it easier to move down the carriage
@Cowman9791 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, and in in turn is the same reason why the s7 stock is all longitudinal seating.
@daveash9572 Жыл бұрын
That is a 'bugger me' response Jago. Amazing.
@mikesummers-smith4091 Жыл бұрын
Seats facing front or back greatly reduce your chances of unobtrusively tripping up fleeing muggers, boisterous children, amputees, and elderly women with huge bags of shopping.
@erik_griswold Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your ITV News appearance!
@jdmhexagon2584 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy it when a B-roll shot is a station I immediately recognise. (Haydons Road!)
@keaton71811 ай бұрын
Now that you mention it the tube train does sit lower to the ground than a lot of commuter trains I've seen in Australia.
@peabody1976 Жыл бұрын
I stand in awe of the information you present. But not too tall because even though I'm short, I may bump my head on the deep level trains. :) It really does make sense with how the past still informs the present (and with New Trains for London, the future.)
@PokhrajRoy. Жыл бұрын
I’m not surprised that Jago is part of the Cyber Punk future 🔥
@jimmeade2976 Жыл бұрын
The video hints at this, but to make it clear, passengers seated longitudinally allow the ceiling to slope downward, allowing the train to fit inside the round tunnels, while passengers may stand in the middle, where the ceiling can be higher. Essentially, the train envelope (as it's called) must fit inscribed a circle of the tunnel diameter through which the train rides.
@emjayay Жыл бұрын
Those aren't tunnels. They are Tubes.
@stuartmcconnachie Жыл бұрын
That was wheelie well explained, thank you.
@rupeoverlay3153 Жыл бұрын
Ah, that explains a lot. Always wondered why they didn’t retrofit the seating on the bakerloo to a more lightweight one than those boxy seats. Because the wheels are in there.
@robfriedrich2822 Жыл бұрын
In Berlin they changed the train gauge. The lines started before WW1 were narrower, the lines started after, were wider.
@jamesphillips2285 Жыл бұрын
Where I live (Edmonton, AB, CA) the space under the seats is used for storing traction sand and heaters. (It gets cold and snowy in the winter; and the line is mostly above-ground.
@andrewemery4272 Жыл бұрын
Next week: Why does the driver always sit at the front?
@angela-thebooknerdess211011 ай бұрын
That's actually really smart and explains other things too like how sometimes the platform at a few stations is higher up than the entrance to the train
@ronnyskaar3737 Жыл бұрын
I really like the layout on the 72 bakerloo. Better when riding with friends and family.
@blaydCA Жыл бұрын
Yes folks, this HOW you PROPERLY pack sardine cans. Bravo!
@includenull Жыл бұрын
Speaking of loading gauge, here's a question: Why are so many platforms on the tube lines not level with the carriages? I understand in cases where trains share track but even underground and on sections not shared this is an issue. Also, will this ever be fixed? It seems if they start adding platform edge doors they would need to.
@JagoHazzard Жыл бұрын
I am actually planning a video on this subject.
@stefansoder6903 Жыл бұрын
@@JagoHazzard I'd be surprised if you didn't!
@rolandayers6726 Жыл бұрын
Away from the tube, this has been fixed on the low-floored Greater Anglia 755s made by Stadler. Wheelchair/pushchair access is excellent, with a little piece of flooring that slides out to cover the gap between carriage and platform when the doors open. There are some raised seating areas, presumably over the wheels.
@BrandNewByxor11 ай бұрын
New fear unlocked of the seats breaking and giving way to the grinding pit of wheels beneath
@thingimabob0 Жыл бұрын
elizabeth line trains are also an exception with middle carriages often having “normal train” seats :) although i guess it’s questionable to call the elizabeth line the tube
@Andrewjg_89 Жыл бұрын
Maybe because they are designed to be sideways to allow passengers to walk past in the middle and for passengers to sit on the seats sideways. Perhaps it’s always been like that when the London Underground was built and tube stocks were built with longitude seats. Same with on the London Overground Class 378 and Class 710.
@deadaccount2048 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the Overground 378 and 710s are NATIONAL RAIL stock, not tube trains. I don’t know why TfL treats them like tube trains with the awkward longitudinal seats and grab-poles on the ceiling. It makes sitting super awkward and embarrassing (staring at a stranger or pretending to use your phone) instead of being able to look out the window or mind your business privately. It also means the majority of passengers have to stand since theres never any seats available. And with people trying to hold on, pushing against you, or stepping on your feet, it really makes you feel like your in a tin of sardines. And this is NATIONAL RAIL, a more premium, long-distance mode of transport. Not an awkward, overcrowded human-powered furnace. Not to mention TfL is already rising our fares every year (hoping that we wouldnt notice), wasting our money on incomplete projects, and going on strike every week. They could do a bit better surely. The least they could do is provide comfortable, reliable trains.
@LRG246 Жыл бұрын
an engineering marvel with a sensible ceiling.
@Pikaling3408 Жыл бұрын
I remember when tube trains had a mix of transverse and longitudinal seating's.
@the-real-iandavid Жыл бұрын
What a revelation! Thank you, Jago! 🥸👍
@MarkeyJester11 ай бұрын
Oh that's good! That's brilliant!! I assumed the initial reason, but it hadn't occurred to me the wheels/gage would have something to do with it, absolute genius, that's clever optimisation for you, efficiency at its finest~
@baxtermarrison5361 Жыл бұрын
Clearly the good folk of Glasgow must be smaller than average given the Clockwork Orange is gagued at four feet, somewhat narrower than the norm
@HjjMemes4 ай бұрын
Jago, you are one of those youtubers who dont aak for likes and subs, you earn them. Keep on the good work. New subscriber earned 👍
@eattherich9215 Жыл бұрын
Why are seats on the tube train sideways? Good question, so let's find out with Professor Hazzard.
@Boristhe3rd Жыл бұрын
92 stock doesn't have wheels under the seats, just had small wheels/bogies.
@butikimbo959511 ай бұрын
Wooowww...i am amazed with such useful information! Initially thought was only to increase interior space and nothing to do with wheeels. That is the reason why Talgo independent wheel trains have so narrow gangway floor space as the wheels are on the sides as well as Siemens Combino trams with its independent wheels on the side of the chassis as well as traction equipment linked to those wheels on the side. Thank you so much for sharing another interesting video.
@jimcrawford503911 ай бұрын
Last time I was on one they wer’nt sideways! That was in 1965, a long time ago. Cheers from Oz.
@bigaspidistra Жыл бұрын
Horse buses had longitudinal seating for much the same space reason so it maybe isn't too surprising they were adopted early on especially for the tiny City and South London Railway. Although the seats on the buses upstairs were often in the centre with the passengers facing outwards.
@vincent412l7 Жыл бұрын
It also allows the cars to be lower/shorter along the outside, since the passengers are seated.
@alejandrayalanbowman367 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jago from a warm Spain where it is 35° at 9.20 pm. thank you for another interesting video about the lesser known bits of the tube
@L33tw0rk11 ай бұрын
Elizabeth line line also have mixed orientation seats
@clairebear9971 Жыл бұрын
That was so much more interesting than I thought it would be. No offence 😊
@ce1834 Жыл бұрын
The use of space in that cramped gauge makes up for the awkwardness of sitting opposite someone avoiding eye contact 💀 - the leg space with transverse seating like the Bakerloo on the deep tube would be comical
@grahamo22 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact : the fouling/loading guage on Central Line was in correctly specified when the trains were built in the 1980's. The first test train (with no people on it) ripped the side off the entire train when it came into a central London station. Big Oops.