2 minute silence for those who don't know they both are a couple 😅

I love that you two can talk about every sensitive issue with each other and have a healthy conversation about it. Unfortunately, most of the women can't even imagine talking about such things with their husbands.

Most sensible youtuber. Worth listening.

My take on why women arent heard enough: I personally think that this, too goes back to power dynamics. As a woman myself, I've experienced at times, condescending or patronizing responses to an opinion or question I may have to put forth. I feel the reason why is that the opinion and thoughts of men, for the longest time, have been taken as 'sensible' or more 'logical' as opposed to the more 'emotional' or 'unreasonable' opinion of women. The mindset that women shouldn't have something to say about certain things for instance country politics, may also be why they arent heard enough (partly the reason why once upon a time, voting for women was though of as a ridiculous idea). Somewhere, that bias still holds, despite the fact that we have progressed significantly. Not only men but even other women at times may think less of their own gender because of continuously internalized sexism, a product of the society we live in. Most women have been through a phase of wanting to be different than 'other girls' because of the image fed to us that girls are vain, insensible and so not taken seriously. Therefore they would demean their own gender to be taken seriously (internalized sexism is an extremely interesting topic here!) P.S: Anyways, loved the podcast, conversations like these will hopefully change the world for the better! 👍🏼

Oh my god!! The most uncomfortable conversations are the realest ones and that's what you two did. This podcast insists both genders to think from both perspectives. Waiting for more like this.

Loved how Humna articulated her thoughts and was able to understand both perspectives and effectively address them. Glad to have the opportunity to listen to these discussions.

I am living in a hostel in Islamabad where I am doing a part-time job and completing my bachelor's degree. This January I had to move to a new room in the same hostel. The three other boys in this room had just arrived from their rural areas in and around Punjab and for them, Islamabad was just a place where they were expecting girls to allow them to fondle and flirt with them. The lack of consent in Bollywood films is so prevalent in their minds because of their exposure to such movies from a tender age. Maybe because as a toddler, they saw that scene from 3 idiots when the whole college was laughing at rape jokes. For many of these teenagers, consent isn't worth a penny and they love to reenact how their female class fellows react when these perverts misbehave or talk dirty with them. Someone has to do something to stop them. SMH.

The chemistry between you two is amazing I wish my husband was this much understanding even after child

If a girl is walking alone, leave her on her on. You don't need to help her AT ALL. she isn't your responsibility & she isn't asking for it. Why'd you walk behind her silently to protect her?? I agree to humna on that

Came from twitter and I thought I should listen full before I leave a comment and honestly! You guys are perfect example of entitled elite couple of Pakistan. Earning lakhs without giving anything just because you’re instagram-couple and influencers, how easy it is for you to talk about those women who have been suffering on daily basis, who needs to be vocal about their rights, and here we are tagged as “ aggressive”.. being aggressive is good, being aggressive is the only way to get our rights in this entitled society filled with people like you.

Throughout our lives we have been taught about avoiding discussion which leads on to religion, gender or politics but listening to u guys I can surely say we can have a good healthy discussion if taught how to have a civil conversation on a difficult topic. Thumbs up Muzamil bhai and humna bhabhi, u guys are truly the one I love and enjoy listening too. May Allah bless both of u with much more happiness.

a sensible discussion on a most sensitive topic, would love to listen more from both of u.

I liked whatever you both said there! But there are a lot more logical & psychological reasons to why women are so aggressive of this age. After generations of trauma, abuse, gaslighting & what not, a woman always feel insecure, unsafe & uncomfortable in a society like this - she feels betrayed by her ancestors, feels cursed & every woman has felt this once in her life that life could have been better if only she was a boy. :) Great podcast again! Loved it!

Thought-Provoking and Enlightening Discussion! p.s: Shaved look also suits you.

I have watched 4-5 podcasts on ur channel. When I first clicked, I never thought I would watch ur episodes till the end but they are so interesting that we do stick to the end of it. I believe these episodes should be purely in Urdu to target the larger audience. As your podcast covers many aspects of the society that our people should be educated about so that would be more helpful. (:

Another elite insta-celebrity couple telling Pakistani feminists how they should behave "women should not be so angry when talking about women's rights" Humna Raza portrays the best example of an educated woman, a naik-parveen wife who stays within her limits and is never angry

Very thought provoking conversation! Glad we could have perspectives for both genders. As to why women aren't heard enough, I believe that's because of the common idea that perpetuates saying that women are more emotional which is linked to lacking rationality. So whenever a women comes up with an idea or an opinion, she's probably expected to be coming from a less realistic, a dreamy world where she probably didn't weigh the pros and cons of her idea. And even if she did, her theories aren't reliable because as men, you've known and seen the world better. The cherry on top is that narrative put forth by the religious scholars declaring women Naaqis ul Aqal. So there's that.

Miss hamna was stucked when you asked why women are not heard enough You are such a thoughtful person Love your podcasts

Masha'Allah, you had started this show with your wife being the first guest. Just knew that. By the way, watching you for a month now and really impressed by your views, intelligence and specially communication man. Stay blessed you both and keep growing.

Hahaha ufff how do you know that me Humna ki episode lazmi dekhta?😀 Btw i did subscribe it today😛

Simplest solution for post marriage issues is to Normalize pre marriage counselling sessions by a neutral person/ professional that maps an entire framework in front of the potential partners that covers What's best for making a marriage everlasting and ever cherishing. If anything goes off track from that specific framework, their marriage would end up ugly. Then consensus manga jaye k whether both agree to follow this framework or not. If not then they both may part ways and if yes then koi legal restriction laga di jaye k dono mai se koi bhi us framework ko follow na krne se pehle 100 baar soche.

Muzammil Sir, you are one in million in this world where everyone is like to live a chill life rather thinking life with an intellectual approach.... trust me i do discuss the problems with the same approach as you are doing but I have very very very less number of guys around me who really have this kind of intellect .... thank you so much for these discussions

Hatts of to you bhai❤️, so grateful to you, this video must have an endless impact, whoever listening would pass the precious knowledge to those around them, you are doing great for the society, it is just an appreciation comment❤️

what a podcast man! listening to diff perspectives and viewpoints with patience even tho there are times when you disagree and actually trying to find solutions and have a positive outcome out of the entire argument rather than trying to defend your side and views, that's what people should try doing more often and that's what the two of them did in their conversation.

Even after being a boy I agree with the girl, as in homes the mothers have to shout because they are not given enough power, like children fear father and respect them the most, as they are considered heads of home, whereas mothers are not taken seriously, as they don't have much authority when compared to fathers🙄🙂

Really liked this episode and enjoyed whole conversation.I loved how u both just had different concepts about certain things.A lot of concepts come from how you were grown up and what u saw around yourself.

It's a very sensible discussion on one of the most sensitive topics of our society. We have to talk on these issues more often because then we are able to solves those issues.

I think that in discussing gender issues in modern days we ignore the role of biological and genetic leanings towards certain behaviors in genders eg. masculinity is not just the extract of society teaching toughness to the individual but thousands of years of gene pooling that made males the optimum instrument of security for their families while the same has happened with females in terms of tranquility and compassion which has been necessary in child rearing etc. according to the most primitive roles that have been part of human civilization.Alot of clash in modern day seems to be because the genetic predispositions aquired over a long span have lost their meaning with fast changing gender roles in recent times.Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

It was nice to listen to. Liked how you guys keep it raw and real even if it's taking you a while to understand each others point of view on a particular aspect. Keep adding the crux in the end. I liked it. Was helpful in understanding my own emotions too.

Absolutely loving these podcasts😍 Please do create more of these🙌

Wow what a constructive discussion. love to see you both for talking about this very important topic.

Excellent... I am following you since you visited Hazara University. I was there when you and mr Hesham delivered important informations.

What a topic! SO PROUD of you guys!

Not all men respect boundaries,so right

Both of you were the right persons to discuss this right topic. Blessed to hear such a difficult conversation in between 2 guys who are husband wife.

Psychology of human nature vs. what our elder women complain usually!!! 1) number one complain: agar us wqt mjhe ghr walou ki (father/husband) to mn aj yahan hoti ye achieve kr chuki hoti ..... 2) always listening at home: ko tmhara Bhai larka hay wo krskta hay larkyan esi nh hoti. 3) kaam or ghr chalany k mamly to somehow hold is in hands of mother's. But when there is something they want to do for themselves (asking for men, husband or brother's support for this)..... everyone make them feel k tmhy Iski Kya zrurat hayyyyy tm ghr chlao

Please do the next episode with Humna on men & their issues. Would love to hear Humna’s perspective on this topic too.

Really liked this episode. Keep doing the awesome work that you do.🙌

In a very short time this channel, Muzamil & Huma Raza had become my favourites. Literally. Good Luck !

the thing I fined in this boy is totally personal observation and thinking, rather than quoting some philosophers...

Tbh, Humna was right. Cause every human have emotions and it is important to let them out for your mental heath. And its so true that if one person patiently doing something which distrub him or her and one time he or she become angry for that his or her all credit of patience lost in seconds and i believe its not the mistake of a person who he or she is angry on, cause he or she didn't know that . So if some thing is disturbing you directly talk. That why communication and listening to extract solution is solution of many problem. By the way, great podcast.

It was a very nice discussion and Muzammil really tried his best not trying to pick the side of " Men's camp". One thing hamna said was true that girls are mostly talked down by her family/other women to be more obidient and present to their husbands. I would like to add that the reason mostly quoted to the young women inorder to practice such behavior is to rule the house in the long run. So you sacrifice in the short run and rule the house in the long run. Which somehow increases the communication and understanding between two genders.One more thing i would humbly ask is what are your views on the gap between the two genders. Are they too opposite to each other or they've been mold to be alienating eachother's thoughts experiences and interests. For example we generally witness man of all the social classes talking about things like politics, sports, current affairs, tech etc and women about fashion, gossips and people,not only in our culture but worldwide. So, is it the reality or if women get empowered they'll touch those boundaries too.

Muzami Bhai! It is quite simple topic that you guys discussed about an hour. Islam gives us the solution of everything & every situation. Whenever we are worried about these situations, we have to learn the relation of Muhammad SAW with Hazrat Ayesha RA and his other wives as well. He SAW always took advices from his wives RA. He always respected his wives. Islam has entitled named Rabbait- ul- Bait means The Queen of The House. So, she must be treated as 👑.

I JUST WATCHED THIS PODCAST & PROMISE ITS ONE OF THE BEST ONE'S OUT OF ALL!!!!!! I wish to see mrs. Humna again :)

Getting the 'answer' (yes, I need help ; no, I don't) from a stranger till there can be a responsibilty/gesture of help (as a socially responsible guy who wants to help someone particularly a girl who seems to be in trouble) Also yes, equality concept is fine but u can't make a society without kindness, morals or values. Out of kindness we offer help to people. Probably 1 in 1000 men out of kindness/responsibility would actually stop by a girl with 'clear intention' to help

the natural way for homo sapiens to organize themselves is a patriarchal dominance hierarchy, not matriarchal. Patriarchy is evolutionarily adaptive, not a social construct. Some species organize themselves into matriarchy (whales, bonobos etc) some have patriarchy. We should focus on Science (evolutionary biology) not so much on pseudoscience (gender studies) in this case.

I would add that a rightfully self-esteemed guy would never force a girl like that to ride with her that "come sit with me etc." if he realizes the repercussions it can emanuate! Especially in the case of a bike where physical touch is inevitable, the car case is sort of different.

Why not taking the guidance from the Creator of man and woman...??.there can be long speeches and conversations but it all comes down to the fact that both genders know their boundaries and they know that they are responsible for their actions...one who demands their rights should assume their responsibilities too....

actully a hero inside you and you are allready a muslim Hero .and your team are Also team of leaders best of luck and very nice keep it up .jago pakistan jago show

Salam , Love your podcast.. A humble suggestion , your title says "Womens" If I am not wrong you must write "women". In case I am wrong , my apologies in advance. Adnan

It is pretty much all battle of competence. There is no mode of invisible structure that holds you down, it is all your state of mind. Don't let this hold you back! You can achieve anything, you are beautiful and strong.

Great video. brings forward the male and the female perspective and presenting valid argument to support both sides

Sir please interview neman ashraf, the police constable who made it big on quora and became an international star

Muzamil bhai the way you explain marvelous , you really change my opinions about gender , emotion and now i understand how to react in a certain situation , Thanks a lot for such a good content and one request plz junaid Akram ko podcast me lae .

Wow this girl just speaks truth....

loved this podcast!❤️ bring humna more

It's really good to learn about different perspectives and it makes me very happy to see people sharing experiences to find common ground and build bridges to work towards solutions. I was a bit frustrated when the host didn't understand the guest's suggestion not to approach a woman going about her way. If I'm not wrong, the host mentioned that they have live in the US for sometime? That surprises me because it's commonly known that caring men in that region often escort women from a comfortable distance if they sense a threat to her safety without ever approaching her directly. A good tip they share is to move fast to step ahead of her if you happen to be walking/ driving closely. However, this is only for men who really want to invest in a random person's safety without them asking for it. It would be wise to simply ignore their presence until you actually see them being stalked or attacked. I would have liked you guys to explore the concept of men and women having power over certain household affairs more. In particular, I would like to see how the consequences differ on the receiving end based on gender. For instance, mothers and elder sisters actively match make for their sons/ brothers but what if the man disagrees with their choices and sticks to his own? Switch the genders at the receiving end to see how standing up against the authority leads to different consequences due to gender. Thank you.

This is the topic from which every person is suffering...as muzamil bhai said that one guy wants to help any stranger girl so basically there is no need to help her unless she didnot demand...bc no one knows the intensions of other at first sight rather good or bad ...only need to improve society thought (as they have about women )so that everygirl can be protective out of comfort zone too....and women r aggressive bc..the equality is not given by the society ( there is the long list )

Such a great podcast. Thankyou guys ❤

One more thing that we need to be concerned about here is, its somehow not about letting us being us. People, society no matter saas, husband, ammi, abbu, we always have to have their consent in doing anything. The question is whats wrong with doing just what WE want to do and we're happy doing that particular thing. Whether its a decision to study, job or doing business. The main problem is that we need to have consent of the society to do something WE want to do, and that is why the anger wala factor is involved.

Most intellectual & humble session 👍

MashaAllah Your content is thousand times better than other KZfaqrs ...❤❤✔

IDK why, but i agree with both of them. Great..❤️

The point which hamna mentioned_being aggressive after 4-5 irritating attempts of others_is also not a rational choice..we need to raise our voice at the very first attempt of individual who's saying or doing something which bothers us..if we do so the point might not come when we need to be aggressive (which obviously occurs when we get frustrated by repeated attempts of unwanted behaviour of others that we tried to ignore or not pay much attention to at the very beginning). Ppl first check our threshold and then attack.

Spot on. Loved the conversation!

1 major point to remember: we must me remember that what the situation of this time and should it actually be! abhi ham unprotected environemnt me hain, if 1 boy is trying to protect her on the road, he knows better the situations of that particular area or place!

Very well done podcast

Also when Muzzammil talked about his sister, he noted her qualities as his qualities. So basically she had to learn to think like her brothers from an early age.... 😅😅

Very Well discussed. Liked it Bro.

I'm specifically watching you and ma'am's podcasts specially for relationship things and society and all that stuff. Due to watching these many things I came to know that I don't know before and many things are cleared but still, there are many things that are to be discussed but not all the things are discussed openly as there are many complex things as well. Overall, I love your podcasts and will try to watch them all before you make a new one. And yes, I have subscribed and bell icon bhi zor SE dabaya hua hai

Healthy conversation

Well said I mean I am speechless Hands down 👏👏❤❤Society differs between girls and boys

Jab Allah ne mard aor aurat ko mukhtalif banaya hai, dono k huqooq aor faraiz alag alag hain, dono ki zimedariyan alag alag hain, dono k darjat alag alag hain, dono ka muqam alag alag hai, to phir mujhy samajh nahi ati k hum log dono ko barabar karnay par kyon tulay huay hain, ye kabhi barabar nahi ho saktay kyon k inko aisa design hi nahi kiya gaya hain, dono ki apni apni ehmiyat hai muashray main, dono ka apna apna muqam hai jo Allah ne ata' kiya hai, dono ko apni apni zimedariyan hain... jis din mard aor aurat ye baat samajh gaye us din ye masla hal ho jayga ... If we accept and follow the instruction manual given by our Creator, we'll have more peace and harmony !

Very normalize arguments. I wish if they have done this argument by using Religion as a standard then it would be very easy to breakdown and follow up.

Thanks for choosing this very important topic. One Comment from my side is....you did not conclude when Humna was saying that the wife usually think that her husband is not doing much when she is attacked by injustice from her in laws...please discuss this more in next episode

Muzammil bhai is podcast me apko zada bolna bar bar mehanga pr raha hai😁😜 and more power to Humna for figuring out things calmly. Overall I'm really enjoying this podcast of you both. Stay blessed 🎉

Your questions were so relatable. 💯💯

. Genders should be equal. However, some complications here were about relationships equality (mother, father, sis, bro, etc) I think these are evolving and quite often matter on the spectrum of societal evolution one falls on, So it's very hard to do justice to this particular part. I really appreciate you take up such important and difficult topics.

Sooper class

bro... your podcasts are so informational ❤️❤️. keep it up 🔥

Wow, he is a very nice person!

Very beautiful conversation..

Good job

In short. We all need to learn to respect ALL OTHERS, have compassion for many coming from various lifetime baggage, and base our ethics on what is agreeable to our soul for our entire lifetime... fo4 some it comes through religion

Havent listened to it yet but I know its gonna be good. Already liked☺

well.done sir next topic humna keh sath Gender violance rakhay gender governance and like that

Aurat ko jeeny hi kab dya jata hy?? Wo Kisi bi haal mein ho mard ny usko hamesha apny sy kamtar or neech hi samjha hy, sadly majority of males don't respect women,or JB unko sahi sy treat ni kia jata tou obviously unhy agression b hoga depression b, anxiety etc.. or jb ap usko understand nhi karen gy or usky lya gy decisions ko support ni kry gy , trust ni Kary gy ,uspy bilawaja shakk Kary gy tou definitely she'll get mad. Plus agar koi aurat independent ho b jaati hy apni mehnat or struggle sy tou mard sy ye baat brdasht nhi hti kbhi b k aurat aakhir kesy powerful hoskti hy, ye apny faisly khud kaisy ly sakti hy?? Isky pass Dimaag kesy hoskta hy?? Iski Khushi Kia hy?? #Women are not treated well and aren't given their proper rights in all over the world!

Muzamil you are amazing. very open minded person Ma Sha Allah

Humna as I am understanding is the opposite. U r responding to him that he means women are heard... but he is saying if they would stop repeating the 1 thing multiple times and take action they would be better heard. I used to tell my son the same thing: if u really like to be heard, make sure what ever u r asking, u really mean to go through with it. U see a man walking in a grocery area going directly for what they want, whereas the women generally stop at many more shops just to check it out. Here in the USA many of the divorces happen simply because "he doesn't hear me, he doesn't understand me, he doesn't respect me, ...etc. when u dig deep, many are actually reverse She came from a family of 3 older brothers pampered by them all the time. She gets married to a man who is just starting to build his career. He move across country to give her peace from his family! Still bored. He explains his building career and she want to go shopping. Now wither one could have done this but this is whereas vs female sphycology come in in this particular situation. He simply wants to get rid of this argument so he can go back to his files. And him just thinking that, enfuriates her even more. So even though this could be don3 by either one, she could give a resolution to the problem since she started it (talking about equality). She could designate a day a week for dinner at home no phone calls. And 1 day in the week for window or real shopping with him alone or kids when rheu come along. And she needs to remind him everything he "forgets". U get to keep the marriage, gets what she wanted, gets to brag to her friends and he gets to go to work!!😀

A very good explanation of the topic. But a thing which is often experienced is while working together on a project or something men are always taken as they don't have any constraints realistically boys/ men also have constraints. On the otherhand its assumed that without catering the constraints of women the work cannot proceed. I know there are alot of problems but this is also a culture that men are assumed to be capable of everything which is not true

All comes down to how good listening skills you have from the beginning of a relationship ... and stay open to new ideas and self criticism on equal level ...and MOAT IMPORTANT if both of them are appreciating of their respective contributions, it really play a huge role in a more successful family tie...

Money is the main and strong problem for aggression.

100% agree on feminism disagreement, need positivity to get the cause

What a amazing podcast ♥

Your definition of Patriarchy is flawed folks. The guy asserting himself in the situation where his family try to abuse his wife, also asserting himself where his in laws try to abuse, protecting what needs protection and setting boundaries, that guy is practicing Patriarchy. Not the timid guy who dont anything and can't stand for his relations and himself.

Worth it of watching Please also invite PMS officers to get inside of that part of our society.

47:52 i strongly disagree, same goes with men too, in fact, i have suffered the same

love this topic man. Thankyou for this .

I feel you man throughout the questions that where you're coming from. Lots of respect to both the participants!. I don't know should I say this or not. But being a male, after getting these gender equality discussions and the weird behavior from the females towards the "Suljhy howe larky" gets me so so frustrated and depressed that I'm now unable to attend the other gender and which again puts me in the zone of "Sarrial" and "disrespectful towards women".

Very well said bro. Thank you for this video. ❤