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This reminds me of something I heard about Mike Malyan from Monuments. Apparently he didn't know what drum triggers were and didn't know his idols were using them and so he learned to hit the drums hard and consistently 100% of the time. I love these kinds of analytical videos, super interesting thoughts!

So I’m 19 years old and I’m coming up on my 4th year of playing guitar and have been taking lessons coming up on 2 years. I consider myself VERY fortunate that I found my guitar teacher Clay because he has REALLY pushed me to learn harder and harder songs and explore things like 8 and 9 strings (which have become my absolute favorite things). He’s made me work hard and practice so I can get to the point where I can play songs like Bleed. My generation has ENDLESS exposure to new and innovative music AND the classics. We end up creating and writing songs that a a mix of older bands like Van Halen, Nirvana, and Metalica and the songs of Polyphia, Meshuggah, and Periphery. It’s a strange mix and I can’t wait to see what my band and others will do in the future!

A similar thing has been happening with singing over the last few years. People who have grown up listening only (or mainly) to music that has been pitch-corrected to the 12-tone grid tend to sing closer to the pitches on that grid with less correction applied. It's wild to see things that started as artificial processes in the previous generation becoming natural ones in the next.

As an 18 year old who’s been practicing shredding for a few years now, I can absolutely confirm this. I grew up listening to Rings of Saturn, and if you’ve ever listened to any of their albums before, it’s basically hyper speed shredding that sounds like real life guitar pro. Every single thing about their music is edited to absolute perfection, making sure every single note is 100% accurate. Obviously at the time when I had started practicing their stuff, I didn’t know about editing that was going on to help make it all sound perfect, so I was always trying to practice to get the cleanest sound possible, and all of the time and effort and dedication I put in to trying to sound like those recordings helped my technical skill jump tremendously. Now that a few years have gone by since then and I know how the editing and stuff works for recording guitar parts, it makes a lot more sense now. But I still always try and push myself to sound as clean as possible. Even if there’s sections that may not be possible to play as clean as they sound on the final recording, or if it’s a section that’s borderline impossible to play but still theoretically doable, I still always push myself to be able to try and play it as clean as I can. And that is exactly why I was able to reach the skill level I’m at today.

All these great players and I still cant remember the last time I sit and really enjoyed a whole album.

Overproduction. You're 100% right. This is especially correct for pop music vocalists as well. Humans are being expected to perform as well as robots and it's causing the skill ceiling to exponentially rise. It both a horrible fact and an inspiring one as humans have been able to inject humanity into "robotic" performances to great effect. For example, what Stephen Taranto is doing right now would have been considered completely impossible ten years ago. It's gotta be a tough time to be a starter musician as the bar of being "good" keeps getting further and further away. I like to counter that with the fact that the amount of good players nowadays just continues to prove that it is indeed possible to become "good" as long as you're willing to put in the work to get there like everyone else. We find ourselves in interesting times.

Im 16 and have been playing guitar for almost 3 years. I see that my progression is IMMENSE. I’m practicing with a great teacher so that I can go to a very modern music school that teaches you the ins and outs of industry. In this world we have SO MANY things that can help us progress, even online! I have to agree with everything in this vid as it’s true, we have millions of sources of knowledge about music which the older generations didn’t have. IMAGINE guitar in 80 years!

0:32 hey that's me 😂, spot on video Keyan!! Much love ♥️

1:45 I love that Keyan just waited for that clip to finish playing before moving.

Interesting take! As a 50yr old (yikes!) guitarist, I personally have grown skill-wise by leaps and bounds since I first discovered all the new guitar content on KZfaq over the last couple years. We as musicians owe so much to the internet for allowing us to experience and see our favorite players and their techniques firsthand. It can be both frustrating and inspiring to see/hear all the great young players coming up today. In the end, it's still the same formula for "success": more effort = more skill. Yes folks, hard work is what gets results. ;)

I do wanna add a disclaimer on the Meshuggah thing. Just remember- they recorded and produced Catch 33 on their own back in 2004. The first drum VST ever, Drumkit From Hell, was cut-up and sampled based on the drum recordings for that record. Meshuggah were self-producing as far back as Nothing.

Funny enough, this was touched on in a Rick Beato video where he was talking with Misha, Tosin and Tim. Tosin (iirc) brought up how newer guitar players are a lot more skilled and Misha brought up the point you made about how production techniques led to an unassuming guitarist trying to play like that and by proxy they end up being a lot more skilled. Misha brought up Mike Malyan from Monuments as an example of it working.

I think it bears mentioning that it feels like newer guitar players are getting amazingly good at a very specialized way of performing. The trend seems to have gone to creating great compositions and then using your technique as a means to an end to be able to track the parts. It feels like whenever you take a lot of the current guitar players that are esteemed and put them in a situation where they are having to jam or improv you can clearly see that it has been neglected or underdeveloped. I think you nailed it on making me realize that this generation of guitar players are the best at producing themselves bar none.

Really interesting analysis. I love these types of videos where people dissect certain aspects of guitar and music. It's very true that most guitar teachers don't mention the nuances of guitar technique such as string muting, contact with the fret, where to place your finger on the fretboard to get a solid, sustaining note, etc. I went most of my life taking guitar lessons, as well as taking guitar/music in university and I still taught myself how to mute unwanted strings and figure out the best spots to hit on the fretboard. Also, awesome video, you should definitely do more videos like this man!

Man I started playing guitar in 2021 at the age of 31 and at the end of the day I'm loving every moment of it.. Though it is also true that having started during what seems to be the era of zenith-tier guitarists feels kinda demotivating sometimes, especially when hitting plateaus. Very insightful video tho, loved it🔥

Keyan, I completely agree with this! I started playing in 2002 and the first lesson video I learned on was a VHS tape of Esteban 🤣 fast forward now with KZfaq and kids have access to infinite resources! I feel a little jealous, but that's the boomer in me being lazy 🤣 great video, great points!!

It boggles my mind how good young people are. Not just at one thing, for instance you're not only a phenomenal player, but your audio production is top tier, and your video skills are top tier as well. I'm 38, i can play guitar ok when i practice long enough. I can do basic video editing too, having learned when i was 19, but i'm only really good at producing music, i've been doing so for 20 years this next summer and i only got good like 7 years ago, by that time's standards. I've kept improving marginally since, but it's crazy how fast technical proficiency evolves now.

It's like that impossible "Diva Dance" song from the Fifth Element movie. Everyone thought it was impossible to sing in real life because it was generated by a computer, yet someone actually managed to sing it many years later (Jane Zhang). When you use edited material as a standard for training, you eventually reach that standard or better. Feats that were once unimaginable or that people thought impossible are now being put to the test by countless people all over the world willing to take up the challenge (whether or not they realize it's edited). We also live in an age when anyone can put themselves out there at relatively a low cost. You no longer have to be a celebrity recruited by major producers to have wide reach. You just have to record yourself in your apartment and post your performance on social media. Ease of access is also one of the main reasons why you see considerably more Asians in Western media nowadays compared to several decades ago. Historically, Asians weren't platformed on television, radio, or cinema because of stereotypes (Asians are "supposed" to be nerdy and practical, not creative/musical/entertaining). But with the development of social media, Asians garnered some of the biggest followings on the internet even in the Western world. It's no coincidence that, when KZfaq started out, many of the earliest and biggest content creators were Asian. It's a different era. The internet has allowed so many people who otherwise would've had no media reach to create their own content and post it for the world to see. This has resulted in an explosion of talent and creativity and ideas bouncing off of one another. Today's guitarists are the best we've ever seen, and that's also true for today's drummers, gamers, atheletes, artists, and practically anything else you can think of. It's unprecedented.

bro im 30 and in 2006 when youtube was just coming out... what you had to go off from in tutorials and whatnot was p much martymusic, justinguitar and ultimate guitar tabs.. at least in a small country. crazy to think that youre just a bit younger and saw all this tech. Wish it wouldve been like that :D

Media saturation might also be the case why we see a talent boom. There were hidden virtuosos that just didn’t share their talent on social media. Or were paired with less than perfect band members that eventually fizzled away before being recognized.

Point 1 - Technical proficiency and making soulful music that is remembered are two different things. Point 2 - You're inundated because of the shift in the information sharing paradigm. You're coming across more people than you would have before. They were there, you just didn't know about them. Although this point is valid, it's maybe halfway valid because of the next point. Point 3 - More people are inspired to play because they CAN get their music out there.

A lot of it does come from the guitar based music today being more technical. But a lot of it also comes from time spent. When Covid hit, my social life took a hit so all I did was practice all day which is something I already did, but that time increases when you have nothing else to do

Can you do a Live and recording rig rundown please. It's cool that you can shred on guitar (as everyone else can) but I'd like to see more talk about how your recording process is, what gear and vice versa. Thanks!

No joke, to this ties right in with the way I've been writing all of my solos as of recent. While there will be some improvised parts here and there, most of it is done using MIDI into a synth VST plugin and the result ends up sometimes creating something so insane that's near impossible to play, but with enough determination I'll figure out how to play it and in the end walk away feeling like I've taken 6 months of lessons. I should also note that access to DAWs makes learning songs a lot easier because you can loop sections at a time, slow things down, and even use the stems if they're available. You can get so close it's almost indistinguishable from the original

I agree! The same thing can be said about young drummers who grew up on sampled and edited drums

Great take. As an old guy who's been listening to music and guitar players for decades I think overproduction is a by product. I think it's human evolution. Players of every instrument in practically every genre are better and more technically proficient than their predecessors (this doesn't necessarily mean musicality, originality, or creativity). Just like athletes people today are doing thing our parent never imagined or dreamed of. It's like the difference between Dr. J (Julius Irving) and Michael Jordan or any of todays phenoms. Players in every sport are just larger, faster, and stronger. Practical every record from five or six decades ago has been broken- track, skiing, baseball, swimming, football, basketball, baseball, you name it. Each generation advances to species forward. Think of the difference between Baby Boomers (who gave us boomer bends- thanks Tim Henson and Rick Beato) and Gen Z'ers (tapping, slapping, horizontal vibrato!). See how long it takes for a Boomer to text a msg vs. a Gen Z- seconds vs. minutes. Gen X-Y-Z operate at a different frequency than there parent. Exposure and access to technology has all but flattened the learning curve for an entire generation. Each successive generation had gotten better that the previous. Just like Hendrix, Van Halen, Jaco, Holdsworth, Vai, Satch, Wooten, and countless others sent people to the proverbial woodshed, todays players are doing the same thing and out of that woodshed the next guitar/bass God will emerge. Overproduction may be part of it but this generation is using to technology to push human potential and creativity beyond anything I/we ever imagined. I'm excited every time I discover a new player and I'm excited to see where it goes. Sorry if I rambled.

I also think more kids "stay at home" these days a lot more due to technology. Giving them more time to practice things like guitar. I specifically remember as a child being told I had to "go out to play". Guitar/video game/whatever time was not in abundance. It had to be squeezed in to certain extent. Not that I minded as I loved to play outside. There is definitely something in the over production as you say. I can definitely look back and say that if I had rough spots in my playing, that say for example, were also apparent in a "pros" sound, then I would be less likely to try and clean that technique up. As hearing it in a studio recording would almost validate that it was good enough. Even I have gotten a lot better lately since getting back into guitar (15 year absence from playing) as I am now trying to emulate more modern bands like Bleed From Within & Sylosis. Trying to sound like those guys requires insane levels of accuracy and consistency and is definitely improving my playing. Too late for me to be a Tim Henson but still fun to see where it goes

great video dude!

Interesting take. I grew up listening to a LOT of Pink Floyd even though I'm a millennial, so I guess now 20 years later I look at my playing and... I've got a lot of Gilmour in my playing. I bend everything, and I've always found that it was better to have good note selection than to play quickly. I really appreciate Petrucci for this, who I think does a really great job at both... and I wish I could play more of his music, but I'm just not a shredder. That's the thing that's so frustrating to me, I can't play quick and clean enough to attempt half the music I like.

Availability of material, all tricks and trades are shared without being overly protective. Teachers aren't a scam, there's a more musical approach on guitar than previously that was (still is) mostly visual.

I think it is actually much more simple than you think. Think of each person on earth as an unchisseled chunk of marble. At the point it is only a block, but given the right carving and shaping this block can become almost anything. Now think that a while back, let's even just say the 60's and early 70's when rock was really coming into it's own, there was zero social media, zero internet, zero home recording tools short of the tascam 4tracker which really kind of sucked to be honest... but it was awesome at the time. No PC's, guitars were good, but not always easy to find a truly playable one. That is when I learned. I ended up becoming an engineer so with those skills inside of me I made much of the equipment that I did not have or could simply not afford... so my double tracking was a hacked pair of "tape decks" where I did a bit of soldering, routing of functions, etc... over to my Harmon Kardon Console Tape deck - ohhh what a beauty! By todays standards it would be a hissing dragon at best. Also the music - I loved the band Rush and tried to learn and play their most complex songs such as YYZ, Xanadu, and the ultimate song - La Villa Strangiato. Now I never had a lesson (this had a massive negative effect on be essentially preventing me from getting better...) If I did not know notes I "faked them" and oh boy did that sound.... HORRIBLE! I have always been the kind of person who seeks truth above ego, etc... so I was super aware of how awuful the leads sounded. But I was encouraged by my friends and we played a few parties and what not which really were some of the highlights of my highschool life for sure! Standing on top of a pool table busting out my homemade version of the lead to one of the songs that we covered.... did anybody catch how awuful that sounded... how is it possible I am getting away with this??? I wasn't, or actually the overall mix of our instruments gave me the cover I needed to play lots of wrong, poorly timed notes.... eh. So moving on I slowly started to give up playing guitar ultimately quitting for a very long time. But around 2012 someone made a casual mention to me - how come you don't play the guitar anymore to which I answered "well I am awuful, have zero skills, I just don't have it in me..." But they said "But do you enjoy it" to which I suddenly felt a loss for all the time I could have been playing and having fun. So I pulled the guitar out of the closet and got hooked up to some more modern equipment - A Pod HD500X - What a POS! but it was for sure lightyears ahead of what I had in highschool. So I got this device hooked up to my computer, got the required audio interface, a DAW Reaper, which I bought a license for right away... and slowly eased back in. What I could say this time is that things were dramatically different. I had the internet where I could look up how to do this or that, such as sweep picking, or tapping, or palm muting, etc... The fidelity of the guitar tone was also greatly improved, not there yet but good enough for some fun. The ability to lay down multiple tracks was now not even an issue, you could lay down as many as you needed with zero issues. The ability to get tabs, to convert the tabs into music that the daw can read and then to get MIDI instruments to play those notes! So much fun. Electronic drums were actually starting to get to be very good, MIDI Basses were definitely good, as were so many midi keyboards or keyboard VST's that were the same sound as my roland Juno 6 but all within my PC! Anyway to get back to that block of marble analogy that I started. Back when I was learning not only were there less "blocks" out there, but there was also little to no good support. I mean sure my local music stores offered lessons but I took a few and they were definitely not helping out at all. But what was helping was the internet as credible and solid resources began to pop up here and there allowing me to get better information on how to play. Also at this time I believe some of the best music that has ever been written was constantly being created and this music was a true advancement over the past music, truly much more intricate, complex, layered, thoughtful, technical, etc and now with the interwebs all of a sudden there were not just the few chunks of marble that would be carved into a musician like back in my day but 10's of millions of chunks of marble out there... and statistically there was always going to be a small group of these people that would have extraordinary skills, that would be prodigies. So now the tech is truly becoming awesome - say around 2015 or so. And KZfaq and so many other places were stacked miles deep with resources, with people showing off their skills, with people sharing how to do just about anything and everything related to playing and recording electric guitar. So it is simply a numbers game, with greater spread of the internet comes greater awareness deep into the average household and these prodigies that might have never played an instrument or have been interested in playing are now icons with awesome demonstrations of their skills, and usually some humble and interesting conversations with the community. Today we are a lucky bunch - the tech at our disposal is simply mind boggling... we have more and better tech in our bedrooms than the very best studios would have had just 30 years ago! And while yes, I do understand that there is still some expensive equipment necessary to master a record it is by no means as costly, as involved, as complicated as it once was. So that is my long winded answer to your video of why I think there are so many incredible, awesome, masterful, wonderful, inspiring, amazing guitarists out today. And thank god for all of them, the 2010's and on has re-ignited my love for music which was actually completely dead and abandoned around 2009, I just got so completely tired of all of the same songs that I have heard for my entire life, and all of them were kind of truly basic... chorus, verse, repeat, lead, horay! Today's music is a quantum leap past where we left off but I am grateful to all of the guitarists and artists that came before this new age of music - we would not have it without all of that awesome music from the recent past!

This video reminds me of a Led Zeppelin song. Ramble On you beat around the question so much I gave up trying to understand your thought process.

Awesome take. I agree, it applies to alot of disciplines now regarding the internet being referred to as the great equalizer. For example the game Chess, Russia had many great players before the internet (still do). They did and kept producing great players because of there data base of games, books etc.. back then data was all phisical such as books. Anyway long storey short anyone who wants to play and learn more about chess has access to more information that's much more accessible then say someone living in the 1970s.

It is all up to standards like you have mentioned, i really do agree. The higher the standards of playing and technical abilities are, the better people will get. For example, if a champion runner can run 100meters in 20 seconds , and is unbeatable for a long time, then suddenly comes someone who does it at 17 seconds, people will naturally try to beat 17 seconds which pushes the bar higher . So you'd naturally start to find people doing 18, 19, 20 seconds on the norm, Same applies to guitar playing in my opinion! When boundaries are risen by others, people naturally exceed "the impossible".

Great video, I would say I mostly agree with all of your points. I think technically, players are much much better on average than they’ve ever been and yes budget guitar play much better in general than ever before. I think Guitar Pro, slow down software and KZfaq are the biggest factors as everything is so much faster to learn as compared to learning by ear at full speed from a record. I would say guitar players are far more specialised these days too, which isn’t a bad thing but most Djent guys aren’t necessarily into reggae and indie playing styles. Great content and music and congrats on the AAL gigs from this 40yr old Adelaide guitar teacher 😅

I've been playing for around 20+ years and because of KZfaq teachers I've made incredible strides in my technique and songwriting. Also, the more exposure of guitar playing from everywhere reminds me to go play. That's something I never had when I started playing. Technology has helped me a lot but it can be a distraction and does reduce the organic feeling of music. But I think there's room for both types of music.

Nice vídeo. i'm a 59 years old player and i completely agree. It will be logical to see more and more generations always better and different over the decades. It is the natural evolution of the mind that captures each time. Good vídeo🖤👏👏

I thought the same thing but just heard Al Di Meola’s Mediterranean Sundance and now I’m not sure lol

Gotta love youtube access to other people who have the know how helps a lot.

I’m 10 years late behind. I didn’t notice all this till 2020. From 2000 till 2020 I listened to buckethead mostly. Maybe 60s crust crosseyed petrified dust

"So fast, so quickly" "Make that perfect guitar take, sound perfect:" 10/10 would recommend again

They practice 😆

I'm old , and started in 1984 slowing down vinyl (HORRIBLE !) and I still love playing. No point in keeping up with these "kids". I am glad guitar is still relevant, and the youth is AMAZING *DON'T FORGET SONGS THOUGH !

I've seen this a lot with drummers, because so many bands use triggers or even programmed drums, especially for double kicks. Young drummers are trying to replicate what a computer is doing and so they become better than a computer, and then when they record the cycle repeats for the next generation of drummers

this isn't a competition wtf

I agree with your point that all of us have access to almost studio level production at home these days, but I have seen live some of those guitar players you mention and they are total BEASTS live too so its not just production magic. I think that kids (and pretty much everyone today) have access to unlimited knowledge on the internet and this made a huge difference on learning things. You have access to tabs, licks, riffs on demand. Today's guitar tutorials have cameras that point specifically the hands so you can observe each and every move make. So yeah, more technology and more resources, to me, produce better players. It is a shame that rock is no longer mainstream, or maybe not, maybe it is actually a filter of shitty talent that just want to jump the popularity bandwagon.

Ayo! That's Marc Reinl. He was featured in Jared Dines's shred collab. So sick 🤘

Thank u man, u absolutely right, im starting guitar playing when i was 17 years and my first songs was Metallica, papa roach, linkin park, aria, and now, when i listen tosin abasi, im schoked)

This was right on the fucking money. Great content as always dude!

1:47 Was that Marigold?

Yeah I see your point with "overproduction" thing, but there's one thing that has never changed by earlier guitarists and nowadays young guitarists. They were/are using the latest technology on their era to help their guitar playing.

What riff was that at the beginning? 👀

Yes, they are great. There are many virtuosos and you can interact with many of them in real time on streams. There were always tons of great players - in fact, before broadcast media was so prevalent pretty much *everyone* did *something* because, you know, Saturday night without cars, internet, etcetera and if you weren't playing (a player lol) you were watching. We can just see them now. I'm still digging through all the music I missed before the internet (I can suggest a few YT channels, for sure) and current music that's coming from all over the world. You've just experienced the effect I call "The world becoming tiny and massive at the same time" (I really need a better name for it). There are also no illusions about the work involved. These results aren't magical to post-gen x but we're (I'm early gen X) still conditioned to believe that talent is this rare and fragile thing in order to focus our wallets on what we are being sold; skill is being programmatically dismissed in that scenario and pushed to the side to limit competition for the relatively few media pipes back in the day. There are a *lot* of videos around (Polyphia's Dunlop Sessions) that the artists/composers will tell you directly that they gave up everything to get their chops and elbow grease is what got them there; the myth of the slacking millennial was also pushed by the entrenched markets to further try to distance themselves from digital and ultimately online distribution services, which if you've been alive long enough you've been watching slowly fail over time as new scams struggle incrementally to survive, much less thrive, in today's ever increasing global transparency. In the end, we really were all the same. Like Wim Hof says "Anyone can do it". It doesn't matter if it's training for naked ice hiking or ripping harder than Vai. Same deal. Effort invested = capability result. Maybe you'll never be the best, but to express what's in your mind you don't have to be "The Best" at anything, you just have to be willing to put in enough time to tell your story, whether it's with words of instruments. You may not even like the results that much, but someone else might who would otherwise miss it if you didn't try.

I loved the video, it's such an exciting topic to talk about! I feel like we all have pushed the industry standards way too far with the production, as it happened with the volumes (Music getting louder and louder). Is it bad? I dont think so, we all have access to loads of info and techniques of professional producers and musicians we can learn from, and the community is getting bigger and bigger each day. Music has evolved and thats neither good or bad, its a taste thing (When it comes to over-produced music or a more "organic-ly" produced music). On the other hand, i feel like this also creates a backlash on the musicians (creating more burnouts, more fears of sharing your music due to all the perfectionism).It can be a double-edged sword too.... Cheers! Pd: I tried my best to express my feelings about the topic, sorry for my english level😅

I though you're gonna say: Practice, Practice, Practice 😂😂

Meanwhile Rock/Metal is basically dead at this point to the public and barely any bands stand out anymore

I think you are wrong about the reason but you mentioned the real reason why so many young people are so good. Its not because of the production of the music they listen to. Its the amount of music available now adays and the ease of access to it. Social media allows anyone to access new music that features new techniques. And with the internet we can find tabs for most songs we like and learn them much faster. Back then, musicians would have to learn everything by ear which would take time and then master the techniques, which would take more time to perfect. And if tabs were available, it would be in books that you have to first find, then order and receive. Its not production but the arrival of the internet.

These guys Tim Henson, ichika, can play anything Paul gilbert can play. They also have techniques, Paul Gilbert etc, Marty Friedman cannot play the 80s shredders. Tim Henson said, jason becker is the only one he thought that didnt sound 80s. I’ve listened to shrapnel guitarist before yngwie in Alcatraz,. I remember when flexible Steve vai first came out. Very few knew who these guitar players were. The guys like Paul Gilbert and Marty Friedman etc were elite guitarist for decades, guitarist didn’t pass that level (Im sure they did) I noticed it 2020. Guitar really went up a notch as far as techniques and skill.. Now guys like micheal Angelo batio are not so hard to learn from. I totally agree with this video

I agree man. The best young guitar players I know are actually closer to being top ProTools/DAW technicians than they are top guitar playing musicians. Recording younger bands over the last 10-15 years has become more about them asking me to move shit all over the grid and honing in on the very best millisecond of a performance and repeating that ad nauseam, than about any emotion they are conveying as they play. I'd also add that many of these guitarists don't actually "feel" what they are playing. They are automaton-like. They are absolutely amazing at moving their fingers to get notes out but they are increasingly unable to get across deep emotions, which in my humble opinion, is what music is all about. Pretty much every guitar player of any age that has studied long enough will all agree that Jeff Beck is/was the greatest guitar player in modern history. Why? Because he ALWAYS makes you feel something when he plays AND he plays with unimaginable dexterity. He's otherworldly like that. I wish more young guitar players could get that as much as they do the technical aspects.

Younger players have a huge base of 'technical' players to listen to these days. However...I'd like to ask where the heart and soul in many 'modern day' artist's material has gone to? I've tried to get in to it but much of it leaves me feeling ice cold because being flash or technically advanced is being prioritised over the most important thing ie emotional content.

dude with that attitude, if you were to produce metallica and slayers legendary records they would sound wack just like all the crappy covers of these legendary songs snapped to the grid put through plugins or new amps and cabs and not the old mesa's and cabs that gave it that warm, sentient, human and menacing sound, part of the reason why metallica live these days sounds modern and not as visceral with those bloody axe fx amp modelers, they should capture they're old tones stupidly well in a kemper like all the big metalcore bands do

What was that comparison lick in the beginning? It’s really familiar but I can’t place it and it’s bugging me.

Great video! For someone who started at 17 and doesn’t have the luxury of having been playing my whole life what would be a good way to improve at all those skills you mentioned? I tried lessons for a while but like you said all I learned was basic chord shapes and he didn’t really know anything about modern metal playing.

robert fripp

1:44 vs 1:55 I hear the difference, but can't figure out why the 2nd is better. I kept bouncing back and forth but can't figure it out My current playing is close to 1:44 HELP!

Yet there is something about players like Guthrie Govan and Jeff Beck that most of the younger players seem to lack Something intangible. That's exactly the way it should be.

I recommend you check out my buddies' band CLIFFORD. They're a progressive deathcore group, and their guitarist is only 20, but he's probably the most talented musician I've ever met. It's crazy how good players have become these days.

And then you loose your laptop and have to cancel the "live" gig 😆

Young guitarists are certainly more technically proficient today than in the past, but I don't think all the technical proficiency and overproduction automatically results in music that touches people's hearts, minds, and souls the way music from older generations often did/does. Being entertained by the marvel of flawless and difficult technique is a different kind of "good" than being mesmerized by a good song. This is why a player like Mike Campbell never once needed to show off during his 50-year career as a guitarist.

Are they?

Dude, what is the music playing in the background at the end, from @9:59

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Answer: Software and KZfaq. Didn't need to see the 11min video but I still watched it. Funny cause the host here falls in the young guitar player wizard category.

Honestly i never thought about this, everyone is editing to some degree, or at least the comfort of just staying in ur bedroom and make 102391203 takes until u choose the best one, will 100% show better results overall But I strongly believe that there are some reasons, might help/motivate people around if said out loud -all the information needed on yt and google ( tabs, lessons about everything etc) -youtube shows us that is possible, we see 1000 average joes doing guthrie level stuff every day( thats cool af!!) -we ( as in mostly everyone) stay inside and by ourselves a heck of a lot more -hustle culture cooler than ever ( and a healthy grind mindset is becoming popular too so thats sustainability) -its actually possible for everyone to make a living off of whatever u do = motivation, purpose, hope=reasons to actually do it (and we can keep going with these) Basically we have all the reasons and support system to get better, and to get better fast Enjoy the ride folks, the main reason we do it its cuz we love the thing, not to achieve stuff.

The world’s population has doubled in the last fifty years, we have more crazy people, more idiots, more assholes , and more good guitar players. There are also more entry level instruments and more information than ever before and the ability to get good tone without buying tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear. So it’s population, information, and technology, nothing more.

we cant also deny the fact how some of these incridible musical scores were 1st hand generated using AI,learnt and performed by the artist who obvious would credit themselves. in that essence some musicians are just becoming a middle man for the listeners and AI which isnt necessarily bad but my respect remains to the musicians who do amazing thing by ears or the most primitive ways available in this tech world.

1:53 explain what you mean. Cause I see a decent take and a good take. Not the exact same thing. These were two different attempts. One is clearly a *tiny* bit sloppy and the other more articulate and "precise". Other than that I agree with what you're getting across in the video and I think you did a bang on job explaining it.

So good that they can't fill a nightclub, wow , they must be good!

Modern music born out of blues and jazz is coming to full fruition. I think in 2030 we will see the decline tech music and that musician's will come back into play

Ease of access. They have more information available, in an instant. Other thing is what never changes, paractice, practice, practice, at olden days it was more about making it to the stage, no matter if you werent that tecnical or precise, to play on a venue that was the goal, the live music mattered more than the records. If you listen to the old records and their live counter parts its a totally different world. Now its about precision at all times, has to be because some of the technical feats they do have to be in the pocket or its gonna sound like sht. Precision by practice and endless information to better yourself as a player. If you practice like hell and value every lick you make and record, theres sht ton of material compared to the old days. And of course now with so much information out there its more easier to grab an instrument and get the basics of it. Back in the day my father learned to play, was by ear from the radio and LPs, you had to do everything yourself, learn by ear and figure sht out, hell they made their own note sheets. Now you just pop up a video and voila its there all you have to do is mimic it, whether its tabs, notes or finger placement or audio, its all there for you.

interesting topic, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Just saying the average 50-60 yearold fusion player at ur local jazz bar gig has more tasty improvised licks than most over produced precomposed "prog (modern "prog" isnt that progressive)" guitar lead lines.

I dont the explanation is too complicated here. As a musician starting out you typically aspire to play the music you listen to. These days a lot of the heavier bands play were technical complex riffs, thats become quite normal to hear in modern guitar music. That simply wasnt the case 20 or 30 years ago. Of course there were guitar virtuoso's but they were quite niche. If you listened to metal in the 80's, 90's or 2000's it was typically a lot more straight forward to play than the majority of modern metal bands. Combine the shift towards more complex playing with the internet, tabs and information being more readily available than ever and it becomes pretty obvious why young guitar plays are as good as they are.

Listening to DJENT

I'm a Black milennial woman who started playing in 2008. I remember how rare it was to see any other woman like me playing back then compared to now. Had a fellow metalhead friend in high school burn me copies in 2011 of the first Periphery and Animals As Leaders albums, and ever since then, I've been really interested in seeing where the genre and playing can go, and boy has it gone! I'm still playing but not as often these days. It's been a while since I last played live anywhere. Never had consistent access to lessons growing up, and I faced a lot of naysayers who really killed my spirit for playing, so everything I know, including technique, theory, and setting up my instrument for better intonation, was all self-taught. I did have a mentor but he was very into blues, whereas I was more into the modern metal stuff. It's been a real emotional mix for me to see how accepted women are now vs. then when it was harder to get on anywhere. And the skill ceiling? Forget about it! haha I can tell I'm still improving, but these days I just sit back and watch as a fan more than a participant. Maybe I'll come around eventually, but it's just great to see so many artists flourishing at once and doing their own thing!

The REAL question is: why are they so sh#t at writing ANYTHING memorable instead of placing themselves into ever smaller niches? !!!

Just for you, I went and listened to Periphery, I had to stop, the Cookie Monster singing was driving me crazy. Very annoying shit.

What do you mean getting good? Try to watch some music school exams video. They were always good. Every year there are young people who play Malmsteen or Steve Vai compositions on their exam. EVERY YEAR.

I don’t see any difference in the sound at Guitar Center. Most young kids I hear are still not muting, bending , pinching, or picking better than the generation from 10/15 years ago. It’s all in the false recording and editing. I don’t see it the same.

Find me ONE person under 30 who can communicate on the guitar better than John Lee Hooker. I’lll wait..

I noticed that as you go up in skill level you become significantly more analytical and can figure out what you’re doing wrong when it comes to tight playing or muting properly. Of course I still have a long way to go but I’m definitely playing well for only taking it seriously for like 4 years

No one will ever top HENDRIX !!!!! Period !!!!! JIMI innovated a style that every guitar player incorporates in their playing - You say guitar players are so good today and that's true to a degree, but they aren't writing any good songs ! Hendrix not only innovated a style of guitar playing that has never been matched, but he totally changed the course of music and wrote fantastic songs. Most of the guitar players of today are copycats or play like robots. I'm not saying they aren't technically good, it just doesn't have the raw emotion it should have. I guess that's why JIMI will always be number one !

Better players yes...making decent music that becomes legendary...hell no. It's over produced throw away crap to my ears, but I appreciate the talent.

How old is old? And what will getting old do to players that are young now but who've been taught that young is better and perfect as compared to old, will it drive them insane, will it burn them out? How old are you anyway Keyan, you say "5 years older than me", what's that mean? What is age worth anyway, would someone that started 10 years ago, but is old, not be able to understand the same thing the young guitar players do and develop the same level? Performance is necessary but composition and the feeling you evoke with the instrument is lacking in many of the songs I see in prog circles. I listen to Dream Theater, I like it, notice something from Pink Floyd in many of their songs, but also a lot missing, making the thing that they've adapted lack the tension and displaced feeling, you get just the musical tension and technique, then suddenly metal. When will the musicality resurface again and in a modern way, I can't stand blues that has three bar notes either, but I can't stand the robo-playing of fast notes constantly no matter how perfect it sounds. Good points nonetheless, I'm glad that someone cares to understand the current general context of music and players and post about it on youtube with good arguments, cheers!

No women Jokes aside im 21 and i hate practicing every day i just jam and do some music theory exercises,but somehow my technique is a lot better than my fathers even though he practices more than me,i barley practice for the sake of practicing yet i take a more modern approach to the playing,so yeah maybe is being exposed to more information or just listening a different kind of music...i cant play poliphyia shit ,but for example i can sloppy play marigold without rly practicing it

One of the reasons is that they don't need a tape recorded and wind back all the time, but define good? With all the tools out there and music, it is still very subjective what good is. Good is what the majority of people would listen to over and over again. Will they listen to a virtuoso guitar player who leaves no space between notes, who plays without breathing...no. People will be impressed by the skill. More so other musicians who aim to be virtuose too. That's the big point. With music being really bad these days, I mean really really bad musicians are looking to identify themself more so than ever. Back in the days when the sub cultures was a thing, it was cooler to be a part of it and be unique in what a band had to offer and look good in the process, but now there is no space for those musicians, they all play on their own on the frikkin internet.... It is a shame music has come to this, it used to have something to convey, a musical imaginary scené or idea to give to the people, a message of standing up to what you did not like! Romanticism in music is gone it is flat out one brick wall of no taboes and high in your face loud music and the musician are just the same, virtuoso guys and galls that want to play hard every time all the time.

Naah they just passed on the hard drug abuse 😂

Compared to the previous generation of young guitarists, sure. No reason not to be in this day and age with the advent of the internet and technology. With that said, there are OG guitarists who are far superior in terms of experience and musicality to which most younglings owe their form to. Very few are innovators when stacked against their predecessors.

Just throwing this in the barrel... Maybe its cos you started helping other with your channel :P