most don't know.

"Plucking flowers to which the butterflies come. I don't know"

I want use this space to comment on Carl Sagan's stupid comment: “I don't want to believe. I want to know.” It is stupid because he doesn't know he is in the wrong place. If you are in scientific domain, or materialistic domain, that would be reasonable. But science is not the entire world. There is whole vast space beyond science, moral, consciousness, region, arts, meaning of life, to name a few. You can't write an equation to prove meaning of life, and you can't prove the why Picasso painting is better than others. Is religion scientific? No. Is Moral standard we live by scientific? No. They don't mean be. To apply science on something that outside of scientific is just stupid.

And the least used answer of all time.

@@seanleith5312 You make some interesting points, I understand why you did it..I get it, but your comment would have been far more intriguing if you refrained from using "$tupid" You are in good and far more sophisticated company in the comments on these videos Than the normal and typical social media rhetoric and imature audience. I can tell from reading your reply you're far more intelligent than to be dismissive in using "$tupid" to describe a point you disagree with.

Because it will be better for humanity and life , more justice , no evil etc...

You should check out the book called The Last Superstition. It’s about how rational the belief in God is

Me too.

@@kevinpulliam3661 I think it's rational too

If you deny God you can’t justify objective morality.

Ask God to reveal himself to you. If he isn't real nothing lost. If he or she is real you have found your treasure. God is a God of clarity that is what I believe ❤️ By the way repent means change your mind. So don't be offended love Jesus ❤️

Michael said he used to believe in God and Robert said he believes in God sometimes. God will never ever let His own Go. They are both saved eternally if there is a God HAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHA HAHAHAH

so you found your myth-man-in-the-sky ?? let me guess... the woke-bloke was on a white cloud.. JFC.. engage your brain

In my personal search for God I found a personal relationship with Jesus and he told me it all was a bunch of msde up bunk.

The very act of knowing in itself requires faith. All of your knowledge of what's out there (the big philosophic question of WHAT IS ou THE BEING) starts and finish in your own mind, which recognizes basic truths (evidence) about reality. How is it capable of it? We simply don't know. You need to believe that your mind is not there to deceive you, but that it works well integrated with the outside world to know objective things. Furthermore, all scientific knowledge is made up of primary evidence. Unless you are a scientist who has had direct contact with this evidence, your "scientific knowledge" is based on belief (faith) in the testimonies of other people (book authors, teachers, etc., with whom you have had real contact). Whatever you think is your knowledge of things, from the perspective of your own cognition, requires much more faith than you and people commonly realize.

Too bad lol

I doubt that Sagan was so dumb, or the majority of the people. When Sagan talks about knowledge he doesn't mean absolute knowledge, but something most far from "because the Bible says so".

Did Sagan know his mind or believed it

@@richardamos5898 What is Extended Mind? | Episode 1811 | Closer To Truth || The Philosophy of Sense8 | Emotion and Connection

Sure does..

If you notice, that energy bleeds over into the comments... People are much more cordial, respectful and insightful with their responses and replies.

@@Peakfreud I agree...

Atheism can only refute certain conceptions of God or certain religion’s God (example Zeus).

Atheism is a religion. This is a religion without God.

@@przemkowaliszewski3290If atheism is a religion, then not playing tennis is a hobby.

@@michaelhall2709 If you want to see it in that way ... Yes, it is...

Isn't that circular logic? Couldnt it be said that that is exactly why we invented him to begin with? This would be an argument for the existence of religion, as a force of good (comfort, soothing, absence of fear and thos empowerment) but it would be a sort of willful self-deceit or in the past a deceit by the priestly class of the commoners and perhaps nobles alike.

You are wonderful

She has the most soothing voice .. I wish the exchange between her and Lawrence was longer..

@@prometheusrex1 You as well.

materialism has already been disproven countless of times by science.

So did you learn if there is a god? And if so, where is it?

​@Stephen Mason You sound like your confused about the subject!

@@scottlouissmith2382 Confused is probably better than deluded.

@mark b Confusion is delusion. If you don't ask questions and your minds made up its you that are confused and delusional..

It's seriously haunting dude

It really doesn't take faith at all. It just takes an honest answer of "I don't know, and I'm going to withhold judgement until better information comes along".

I'm right there with you. The way she speaks is incredibly encapsulating. Cheers, mate.

Atheism seems to require more faith than any other belief..... To me anyway.

@@redriver6541 Nope.

@@plantatheist5883 But he’s not wrong

No it is NOT, anyone can believe what they want, children believe in Father Christmas, this does not make it true or real, same goes with your man made god.

@@LookOutForNumberOne I was referring to the quality of the channel in general. Take a closer look at its content. Incidentally, I’m an agnostic.

@@gusmath1001 Sure, I will check the content. lol

So are you claiming that the fear and confusion that many face upon approaching death is evidence that a god exists?

@@theoskeptomai2535 no, that's not at all what I said. I was saying it's important to figure out what you believe in, so at that time of death you avoid that fear and confusion in your final moment's. As it's stressful enough. Is all I meant. Wether you believe or not. Make peace with your faith or lack of to be content at the end. I personally believe of an after life of some kind because of things I've personally experienced. Because of it my faith changed.

@@sheenaalexis8710 What, "fear and confusion", Sheena (great name, by the way)? Arbitrarily deciding something at the end of your life even though you don't know any more about what is going to happen after you die then you did before is just silly. It is like saying that you that better decide on how you will vote as a jury member before the trial starts. You just have to be at peace with the life you've led. Oh, I am scared about not knowing what I believe in, here on my death bed, lol.

@@theephemeralglade1935 you are over thinking my point...it's just a comfort thing...apparently it doesn't bother you. And that's great. But some of us may think of those things in our final moment's and find comfort in believing. And thank you. Sheena is my name Alexis is my middle one. I grew up hating my name until I was around 12 and heard the ramones lol then realized it's not so bad :)

Well said! Oakley was brilliant and really stood out from the usual crowd of scientism and materialism of the gaps and straw man arguments against the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/theism... “that of which nothing greater can be conceived” (Anselmo d’Aosta). All the best to you ♥️

that is something that really ( really) needs attention..... for many it's a triggering point for " here we go again! some guy on a throne with a scepter pushing galaxies around and zapping people with lightning" . If we could get past this idea of a personal entity / proper noun it may be of use. I for one think of Creative Intelligence , in fact 'god' as the impulse of Creative Intelligence that is the fabric of all that is seen ( the universe from the quantum level to the galactic level) and every thing unseen ( existence itself, space, void, etc). There is more to this ( Creative Intelligence) , but is just more verbiage and can be offered at another time.

The second question: why did Lee capitalize the 'd' in Define?

@@StreetsOfVancouverChannel It is part of the christian con to seem more important.

@@tomjackson7755 you may want to consider not being so absurdly judgemental about someone whom you know zero about... especially from a single sentence... my comment was nothing more than playful semantic-grammatical levity.

@Stefano Portoghesi to suggest Creative Intelligence is a personage or a director ( suggesting a proper noun or demonstrative pronoun) is to miss the point completely. It is the notion that the universe is and of itself inherently creative ( multiplicity and diversity) and intelligent i.e. it complies to its own rules it uses again, and 'we' capture/observe this compliance as physics. Example: A rose. Beauty; creative -all different kinds , shapes , colors and location i.e. 30,000 types. Intelligent - plant a rose seed ( a hip if you will) , you will get a rose , not a pumpkin or lettuce or corn. This 'intelligence' can be seen as orderliness , structure, classifications, etc.; at the rose level or at the spinning of a galaxy ; it complies to a level of order that is inherent in the system... Let's not even mention the level of intelligence in DNA , and the multiplicity ( creativity) we see in mammals. I will leave it there.

She's also extremely gorgeous!!

What I saw was delusional thinking searching intellectual boundaries to prove her thinking was right.

@@kriskanapo9282 who cares really. Eye of the beholder and your comment says way way more about you than "what you saw". There's that.

@@missusbarkdognot that deep. Sarah wannabe

you have to ask for the right things. the things you truly need

Why is it scary to cease to exist? Your conscious self goes away every single night during deep sleep. Do you find that scary? Why would it be scary if you didn't wake up?

@@ivankaramasov hmm

We ceased to exist before we were alive and will cease to exist after our death.

You've been brought to a place where activities take place and in reality none are objectively good or bad they are just things that happening that we've asigned meaning to. Now you have good and bad days/events/people/things etc. In death all this ceases to exist. Death is truly the ultimate place of rest because you cease to play the game of good and bad events and not only that, you cease to know that there was ever a game or that you ever were. This may sound morbid but its more liberating than I can explain. Certainly not a place to aspire to be because - enjoy the chance to experience but as the body gets weak and the mind tires be able to embrace the next stage of the process as it is not to be feared. For whatever reason you came into existence in the first place you may potentially exist again since energy is never destroyed it just changes form.

Without multiple religions God wouldn't be hidden enough to invoke our own gumption. I can't help thinking that the presenter's consequent disposition after these interactions betrays a weakness in the face of slight risk. Either give it up, or give it a try.

Do you not believe what you know?

@@justchilling704 Belief is theory or hope, knowing is from direct experience. As Carl Jung said, “I don’t believe, I know.”

@@rudy8278 I disagree that can be one meaning if belief but it’s certainly not the standard nor the one I most typically use. Belief has to do with acceptance of a truth claim. Hence your believe the things you “know”.

God took care of Carl Jung already pawn.

@@rod6189 What did God do?

Be still and you shall know God. Ppl who have actually known God, or the universe or themselves, whatever you wanna call it, found it by becoming still. I have like you pondered for ever, read tons of books, spent perhaps years contemplating it in my mind, but like you i find myself in the same pickle. That is why perhaps our whole approach is wrong and being still is where the answer lies. I have recently started meditation and it’s the hardest thing I have ever tried, and it is perhaps because I’m wayyyyy to analytical. But I am going to keep trying because questions never got me anywhere. It’s time to stop asking questions and try to achieve stillness.

It is humbling to accept that truth is something we can never fully grasp, the set of all things true, we get glimpses of it through our humanity. My hope is that truth has made for us a path into itself within our humanity. So it is never that we can find it but that it has moved to be revealed as it can be found, so that we may seek it within and outside of us, sustaining everything. I know I can’t reach the truth on my own, but truth can always reach me by grace.

Use your mind and reason and logic, and you shall be set free from religion

I'm wondering if we even have free will to believe. Let's think that statement through with some silly examples. You tell me I go to Hell when I die if I DON'T believe in Bigfoot. That scares me, so I try with all my might to believe that this Bigfoot exists & is my personal lord & savior. Can I really ever get my brain to believe that? Can you force yourself to believe something absurd? 🤔 Therefore, do you really have free will to believe just anything? I think you don't. You can only get yourself to believe things that your brain can accept as factual based on some evidence. If your brain does not see sufficient evidence, the closest you can come to belief is to work yourself up into a state of delusion. You can't call such a state true belief. I'm making an argument we have almost no control over what we believe, yet Christians are telling us we go to Hell for failure to force ourselves to believe specific things prior to death. If I'm correct & also Christians are correct, we have no control over our own destiny. Therefore we don't really have free will. What will become of our souls has already been decided by someone other than us. Where am I wrong with this logic?

Absolutely, would have loved to see a conversation between her and Christopher Hitchens.

Absolutely agree. I concur.

Agreed

Exactly

Precisely ! 👏👏

Because not knowing drives us nuts

@@JesusChrist-xk9ee Not knowing makes us pretentious, as we live on this planet manipulating everything as though we DO know.. After all, we are ‘sapient’! So, pretentiousness is the real problem..

That makes you agnostic.

Eeeee

@Will 'Slap' Smith keek

That makes you an agnostic?

Agnosticism isn't really no different than atheism. Either way there is no affirmative belief or claim in a god. Some do split between hard and soft atheism however.

The satisfactory aspect doesn't make belief an ultimate truth? But what about the argument from desire?

Yes, cows, or prophets, or reincarnation, or holy books, or rituals, or a care taking god, or an afterlife...

I have no faith in religions. I am now 65, and I was born to and raised in the Mormon religion (sounds a little crazy? to me it is) I have researched and studied and read about modern physics for about 35 years (not a real physicist) . I have come to a somewhat personal conclusion (maybe hypothesis?) that the fundamental basis of the universe is consciousness. Not a theory just my present idea.

@@goldentwilight1944 Well, many people don't desire the existence of a God, and desiring God's existence can be linked to survival, it doesn't prove the existence of a God. And I personally don't know how does the survival advantage of believing in a God proves its existence. I find this claim nonsensical (and if I'm wrong, enlighten me). For me, Even though I have a religious background, I no longer find myself desiring the existence of a God after I started putting my thoughts under the rational lens. I was influenced before by my environment, that doesn't mean it's an innate desire. Now, I have the desire to know all the secrets of our existence including the origin of our universe due to my insatiable curiosity but that doesn't mean I have (or even want) to use the joker card : "God" that many use, to have an immediate relieving answer to my questions. There can be many other possible alternatives that my mind wouldn't simply completely ignore due to the fact that we still ignore a lot about our existence and universe to jump into premature conclusions. What I'm trying to say is that there isn't really an innate desire for God's existence because many don't have it, and many others experience it differently and if you put your thoughts under the microscope and discover the cognitive biases people are trapped in to believe confidently that God (whatever the definition one uses) is the ultimate truth about our universe' existence, would you still think that the premise used in the argument from desire is true ?

@@bonesjones3421 I have some friends who think that too and they're quite confident about their ideas. Their confidence is puzzling for me. What made you have that personal conclusion or hypothesis exactly* (I'd prefer a detailed answer) ? I'm a physics student too but still a novice to understand WELL and properly modern physics.

so what is the way?

​@@justingodin7806nobody can teach you. You have to learn yourself pawn.

Brilliant. Positivism destroyed the intuition of the younger generations. They are prime candidates to be consumed by the matrix. No sense of spirit in them.

Her voice is so soothing..

Wanting not = Reality! In heaven; What if your loved ones “want” to have a different appearance ; be young/old/ sex change/etc. How would you recognize them? What if they don’t want to be with you?

Wanting may not be reality but it is possible there is a Heaven. And what would it matter if your loved one had a sex change at least you would still be able to see them again.

@@johnyouman2151 How would you know them; if they don’t want to be known (by you)???

@@oskarngo9138 I suppose if they didn’t want to be around you then they wouldn’t have to be. And you would know them because God would tell you who they are (or were)

@@johnyouman2151 In heaven whose reality is it??? Obviously; heaven cannot exist if there are multiple realities!.... that was my original question.

Robert Kuhn

Russell also said he deeply hoped there wasn't a God. That's antitheism, not atheism.

Great quote. Thanks for posting.

@Pisstake Someone who hopes there isn't a God isn't objective regarding the likelihood of one. If I recall correctly, Russell's expression of hope was after he'd had what we'd now call a near death experience contained the suggestion that life may not end with death. Perhaps Russell simply found the idea of any form of consciousness cleverer than his own intolerable?

@@borderlands6606 ...Which changes NOTHING about the validity of Russell's statement. Whether something is true or not IS the acid test for whether to believe in it or not. Fortunately, we remember Isaac Newton for his scientific accomplishments...

@J w Just another bullshit assertion. You don't know any particular person's reason for feeling what they do until they say why. Stop being butthurt that other people see things differently than you . You have zero evidence. ZERO. We are interested in the arguments, and making our own points about them. It is what the comments section is for. Get over it.

I can tell you she was rude AF regardless

Idk why, I must be in a severe minority. But it doesn't bother me at all.

I wish I had that ease of mind because It really is something that I think about constantly.

Man up and deal with it. There's is alot we just don't know.

@@theephemeralglade1935 “Man up and deal with it” Aww how quaint your comment was so edgy. It makes all the grandads on here feel positively cool!. ❤️

@@blinkanddie3397 I don't have time to worry about the unknown, lol. Got a happy life to lead.

Good point, and when you see all the pain and suffering in this world it's logical to say 'God' isn't necessarily good... until you realise how extremely diverse, complex and beautiful our nature is, everything on it, billions of different species, animals, plants etc etc. If the god entity would be evil we all would propably live in some steelfactory like mouses, you absolutely don't need such a beautiful complexity on earth for evil purposes nor an evil entity wouldn't propably be even able to create such a complex yet beautiful planet. But if there is god, we are so small with our own understanding it's safe to say we are like little ants to this entity.

@@mickeyguide3112 right.. But how the hell priests do know that

Your idea of God is impersonal . There is no such God . God is eternal infinite super intelligent Consciousness field which sits behind the curtain of reality . Universe is just extension of that consciousness which transitions to different states to create template of duality which we perceive as reality . You and me are droplet of that consciousness with short term memory loss . Universe projects reality and then injects itself to experience it . All the suffering is due to action of individual or collective action . That super intelligent eternal consciouness operates mathematically and is purely non intervensionist .

@@sunnyyt6885 You have just made a direct statement. You did not qualify it with, " I believe " nor, " I think", nor " My guess is..", nor, " It is my opinion that...", and so, how do you KNOW any of what you stated to be a fact, to be reality and indeed " beyond ( the curtain of ) reality " as you claimed God is?

This was a great one!

Hello, The metaphore I use to express my inability to imagine God is to imagine a literary character that after I read the book in which it appears becomes a mental entity in my mind. As such I can make it do anything I want but I wonder if I can make it aware of the fact that it resides in my mind. In other words the inability of this character living in my mind to imagine me as the person in whose mind it exists is similar to my inability to imagine God in whose mind I reside! Leonard I ‘m sure you can find some fallacies in my reasoning and I’m keen to hear them!

I think ( my conjecture) is hours of filming, then edits into episodes. I have seen this when one subject is being addressed then Robert wil perhaps ask other-subject questions to that person, so he gets 'inventory'. Again, my assessment only.

Very powerfully stated indeed!

Newton was an astonishing physicist, but a poor anatomist. The quote implies that one must think with a full heart to believe in God, but what Newton misses here is that one should think with one's BRAIN.

It is a good thing he is remembered for what he did as a scientist.

Rob LoveStar That’s not what the word half-heartedly

Only for those who are already into the theological/fantastical.

You either have a first cause or an infinite regress of causes. Even if God doesn't resolve the problem of infinite regress, neither does infinite regress. I have no issue with some picking whichever one they enjoy. I only take issue when, somehow, this first mover miraculously has the same political agenda as the believer.

@@ForOrAgainstUs As soon as you leap from deism to theism you've opened a hopeless can of worms for yourself. Well, and it betrays the Intentions of The Council Of Lawn Gnomes to which we owe everything, lol.

@The Mask Oh, really? Why?

@The Mask You have no evidence it was given by a, "spirit being." NONE. You are just making an assertion.

@The Mask Haha! Nice try. I don't know, and neither do you...

What?

@@NicolasMarinos Can you be a little more specific?

Because you weren’t born yet🤦‍♂️

Hinduism says THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD, THIS ONE! Not very sexy or very appealing but it says God made this huge world, this earth, gave you this life. He did not make a mistake But many find life too harsh, too difficult & whether they call it Heaven or NDE or a "spiritual world" don't you think they are all the SAME? An easy lazy life - some kind of magic Retirement Home - where one gets to relax sit about of course all our loved ones are there How does that make any sense? Billions of people just sitting about doing nothing? an idle, lazy, useless and pointless existence for eternity? As they say if something sounds too good to be true........ But Hinduism also says if such a life is what you want, then it WILL come true but not in some magic land - but right here - as a lower life form - as a tree perhaps - no eyes, it lives in a different world - the tree has no idea of the world that it lives in - the planet, all the life forms, people, the sun - nothing. Food falls from the sky & it has no work, no worries, no desires or aspirations - it just exists! Remind you of anything? Don't give in to these sweet sounding ideas and end up as a lower life form. Appreciate this Gift of human life that God has given you and if you want, you can have this life over and over. By the time you come back in another life, humanity may be travelling the stars! Think of living in those times!

Could it be that fear closes down, no, no, narrows down the mind? Makes it turn to its more primitive (the wrong word ?) functioning modes? Perhaps it is the case that even after the fear situation is over, the habit of mind persists. But then, why aren't we all theologizers?

lol. You know a lot of people's intuitions about the most fundamental aspects of reality have been mistaken--often badly mistaken. In the "god" issue there's a lot of motivated reasoning arising from infantile needs for security and comfort that leads to your kind of intuitions.

The tools at your disposal are meditation on experience, observation, intuition, mind.

@@publiusovidius7386 The intuition is more impressive as insight increases.

@@publiusovidius7386 Exactly! Well put.

Gods exist in the Nagual

@@Numberofthings Sure. Prove it.

@@davex444 the strongest evidence for the living God is the natural world around you, man just look outside its CLEARLY SEEN!👀

@@iamBlackGambit Sure. Like the natural diseases that kill children? Or the natural disasters that visits death and suffering on thousands of people every year? No, just the wonderful trees and birds, right? Dude, we are living despite being in a mostly uninhabitable universe. There is life because there COULD be life. Got any REAL proof? And which particular god were you force fed as a child? Because all those other ones are silly, right?

Great circular reasoning

a. y when the idea of God becomes practical reality 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you start getting somewhere. I suppose LSD is the only tool that can help you finally perceive the ultimate reality of what consciousness is. It does do that though, if you allow it to: whether you are capable of accepting that reality, as I referred to above, though, is an entirely different matter

“Cloaking” good choice of words!

belief is part of truth. agreed. or rather, belief is the necessary mechanism before reaching truth. objectivity in the sciences has limited scopes of measure in God, because if we can quantify and extrapolate God, he might as well show himself to us. our senses are simply limited. empiricism can't do it all.

Belief is analogous to playing the lottery. The possibility of truth will certainly reside in belief, however its domain is not the final conclusion.

People used to fear supernatural powers, there were, vulcanos, earthquakes, floods,... some civilizations believed sky can fall on their heads when they've seen what meteorites can do. But most people didn't actually whiteness those natural phenomena, or they did but it wasn't that bad when it happened to them, they couldn't explain none of it anyway. So they told stories, couldn't imagine why nature is doing this things and they added all kinds of weird details that seemed logical or useful to some individuals with vivid imagination. This is how myths and legends were created by telling stories that were partially true, but there was no universal ethics or culture, every tribe came up with own unique descriptions. All this millennia of creative fantasy fade when compared to what scientific community is telling us over few past decades, if you think vampires, ghosts and monsters are bizarre, than you would be terrified of scientific horrors. Cosmic rip, big crunch, those are just most general extremes, but from what we can see out there, nature know ways how to vaporize our planet in an instant. Here is an example, modern science discovered there's a special field present everywhere around that gives mass to material stuff. It's like a magnitude of space tension that exists in a very fine tuned and permanents state. But they do know nothing like this can be permanent, higgs field is like a frost on a window, climate might change suddenly and mass can seas to be everywhere at once, like entire universe would disappear in a cloud of smoke. Where do you think Disney picked up ideas for latest movies, nobody care about old religions fairy tales this days, everybody want to be amazed and mesmerized by scientific BS.

@@xspotbox4400 Playing telephone for several thousand yrs can do that to any story. I'm not sure why your upset at science for breaking down outdated ideas. That's what science is supposed to do.

Well said. Humans are born with fear and great imagination.

Well, that fear makes absolute sense, we haven't created Earth, we don't know how it fully functions and it's beyond our understanding because there are other dimensions at play that we can't see. Bible's genesis reveals the origin of fear in mankind, we broke our relationship with God and God has paid the price of that fall to bring us back to Him.

@@pronaenoblago3237 You would have made a great pagan in the day. What price did your god pay ? Sending his sons spirit down in human form. To die and return to spirit form. Wow, that must have been really stressful. We have had thousands of gods. But all of a sudden we find the right one. Well another pile of variations on the right one at least.

Can you share please? I am interested to hear. Thank you

Hugo you really lost me. I’m still confused

Hugo ok. I got it. Yup. I understand

Amen

You mean like evidence has hit you in the face that you have no doubt is a religious act. Or is or was just your mind thinking it is or was??