Bro watch the OLD GUARD at netflix.. used judo moves more, no ground work..

Keanu Reeves trained with the Machado brothers for this film... That was all BJJ

@@wayne47able John wick, does a harai goshi, ippon seoi nage, kata guruma among many others theres a video out there detailing the judo/sambo that is used but there's alotta BJJ its a whole fusion of grappling styles

@@wayne47able he also train with the Collier Brothers. Even they are in Jhon wick 3

Oh yeah

I felt the same way!! I was practicing in one club once a week and was looking for another place to practice but decided to start karate instead!! lol

Lol

Crazy hey? Bjj is much much stronger when it comes to marketing. IJF can learn a few things from them. The pb when uve been around for longer and are so big is that your not as nibble/agile to make ajustments to the times. I feel they got complacent and maybe too many old geezers at the top who are set in their ways. Things should change over time hopefully.

@@OGFITNESS part of the reason why is because the Japanese dont believe Martial arts is a business so they are against marketing, advertising, comercialization and basic business practices that bjj isnt afraid to use

It is crazy how popular bjj has gotten. Though the value proposition is heavily in Judo's favor if one only needs casual sport/hobby or self defense. It's way cheaper and works very very well in street self defense (even more so if you some boxing defense tactics). Bad a$$ery comes at a premium... bjj One of the reason's judo isn't promoted with the same vigor as bjj is that long ago it was decided judo should not be associated with thugs and criminals- so the image of a judoka must be of an upstanding person.

@@sliderx1897 Quite the opposite, popularisation of Kyokushin Karate has much to do with all this you said. Judo teachers around the world on the past were definitely all for those things also.

@@memysurname7521 unfortunately the japan karate association wasnt

I like that.

Judo's numbers are inflated by kids practioners, is well know that in schools in Japan the time you need to practice it is quite small also, even if just unofficially so. I suppose is like soccer in my country schools. Honestly wouldn't trust much these numbers. MMA is definitely a spectators sport, don't see the problem with it. As for BJJ, is growing strong, and was capable in little time of carving a niche to itself and made itself a very prestigious martial art. While judo numbers are mostly a result of the Olympics programs and japanese\asian cultural soft power, also nothing wrong with it of course.

Agree, any combat sport in the olympics focuses on the young and up and coming.

In my judo school we are taught to NEVER turtle up, on day one sensei literally said never give up your back

bjj is only more popular in the US lol

Pure BJJ guys outside of Damien mia Olivera get ground and pounded from their guard often. Judo still has the ground work and the urgency to get back up to your feet is better than BJJs overall tendency to stay on their back. Hence why wrestlers have dominated the UFC for quite some times now

@@Urmomma5f4t name a top Judo fighter in MMA right now. Because there aren’t many. BJJ guys do better at MMA than Judokas

😂😂😂

The problem I have with the Gracie's is they act like they invented new techniques but they didn't! gjj or bjj just spars more and concentrates on newaza. The Gracie's just call bjj. bjj is good but I wish they would give credit to the japanese genius who refined these japanese juijitsu moves .

Kimura was a beast, his student not so much, was took down and gave his back to Rickson, was defeated very easily. As for Helio, he has his win against Kato, and his draws against the same Kato and the likes of Yano and Ono brothers. He was quite successful against Judokas for all the 💩 people talk about him. His brother George Gracie was even more successful. Kimura's win over the Gracies was a outlier, a exception to the rule.

@@johnrambo4259 There's definitely things on BJJ that doesn't exist in judo. In the 50s BJJrs were already using double legs, and a kind that doesn't exist in judo, that is a double leg different of the Morote gari. The technical stand up is another that doesn't exist in judo, there is evidence of existing in capoeira before in BJJ, and was probably from where BJJ got. And judo definitely wasn't the only martial art the Gracies learned, they learned from the Brazilian Catch Wrestler Dudu, and George Gracie even became a catch wrestling champ 🏆. Dudu was also a Graeco wrestler, and there is photographic evidence of the Gracies training with the father of Luta Livre Brasileira Tatu Hatem. Is silly to believe that all about leglocks that the Gracies knew they learned from Judo given their training in Catch Wrestling and Luta Livre, and how much the relationship of judo with leglocks was brief and shallow. A proof of this is how BJJ itself with a longer and stronger relationship had to look for catch wrestlers help when leglocks became more popular. Anything that is strictly no-gi is definitely not from judo either. Also BJJ is fundamentally different for throwing away pin / immobilization fundament and putting a Mount and or Back Mount fundament in place. It's not different from the relation between kickboxing and karate, kickboxing definitely started with karate, but to say that there is nothing from outside of karate, and that there is no work in it or no new thing is just dishonest. Guys like Ramon Dekkers and Alistair Overeem are definitely not using just karate. And yeah regarding what you said about given credits, isn't like judo does it itself, most people know Maeda's name that they know the name of Kano's teachers or the name of their Ryu. So obviously a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Yeah Judo is pretty hard on the body, when your a kid your not thay heavy and much less stiff so falling and getting back up is no big deal but if you start later on in life it gets trickier for sure.

Props to your dad for giving it a try with his son , my dad would have done the same ,

Here's where i go to get Judo instructionals, I personnaly bought Jimmy pedro's Grip like a world Champion, and Elite Judo Basics (Nick Tritton, my coach). This is a goo place to start and possible to stay i believe. Osu!

@@OGFITNESS Thanks bro.! I'll definitely check those out. Hopefully they're available from Amazon.

Shintaro Higashi Judo fanatics

No the answer is its not

Judo is better

Agreed. Brazilian judo seems more appropriate. All of it is ultimately judo but with different focuses and rulesets for the competitions.

you have a point

Yeah when i was a colored belts i was fighting young guys all the time, when i reached brown my coach put me into the masters division so i would have a chance and also not to stunt my progression.

How long does it take to be effective in a street fight using judo ? Straight answer now

Hmmmm... you think so? When i look on social media i get the opposite impression but you might be right, judo is international and its been around forever, maybe ita jist more popular among older guys. Hmmm.....

World wide yes, but in the US BJJ is more popular. For example, I drive past 3 bjj clubs to get to my judo club

Mattomic for sure, it just seems like BJJ clubs are everywhere in the US now.

@@Howsoonisnow2009 , that is a lie. Judo is only popular to kids in Brazil. For adults it is 5:1 ratio in favor to BJJ. arquivo.esporte.gov.br/diesporte/2.html

Aluisio Fernandes da Silva Junior you’re correct and I was wrong. I recently learned that BJJ is more popular in Brazil. I didn’t lie, I was given wrong information before.

lol

Absolutely imo

Because they dont focus on tradition... If you made a martial art today, and focused on traditions... It would be more traditional than bjj...

@@gingercore69 I guess that's it

hmmm....... i don't think Bjj is older then Aikido and TKD, maybe your mixing it up with Japanese Jujitsu. But in any case, bjj was perfected in Vale Tudo fights, i.e. 'anything goes' fights, so it's has a bad boy persona to it as opposed to the more traditional ones. And if you ever go start practicing Bjj you'll see that the vibe is very nonchalant, chill, relaxed. Guys shit talk in class, make jokes, very friendly usually. That i think applies to most clubs, but i'm sure there are exceptions.

@@OGFITNESS I think every martial art could use some vale tudo fights. It helps keep some of those wack techniques away

@@OGFITNESS i think bjj is a fee years older than aikido, but not by much... Atvleast aikido with the name aikido... Not sure if the aikibudo or however was it called before is older... And surely bjj is not older than daito ryu aikijujutsu...

Your right, not many people get to shodan in judo or bjj, Osu!

Judo is world wide, like 170sig countries participate.

That's a lie

lol!!!

The Gracie challenges and early UFCs are still very marketing tools for BJJ

short answer is its not.

For sure, UFC helped with that in a big way.

Judo is mostly amateur, you can see BJJrs using their BJJ to win cash in prizefighting, MMA, but probably not that much to find them in this list.

That has nothing to do with popularity.

What a idiotic comment

Thats true, its a little elitist i think, not very accessible to people who dont make enough money, thats why I have more respect for the overall structure of Judo, Judo is dirt cheap in comparison.

Why do you ask? I actually live locally and am considering joining his dojo.

@@jakeblack5321 glad I saw this! I don’t normally check YT notifications. I live locally too in fredericksburg and did judo with chuck on and off. He’s a great teacher. He doesn’t make you sign contracts or anything either so if you need or want to stop you can, easily. He’s also a bjj brown belt and former collegiate wrestler. Dudes awesome. After covid slows down I will be back there

@@Reddogg387 I’m glad to hear that. I’ve narrowed down my choices to two dojos, my only concern with Judo class is that in most of the advertising and social media, it looks like their classes are more geared towards kids and not adults. I’m 29 and a big guy, I want to be sparring with adults. What’s your take on that? Their BJJ classes look like mostly adults so that’s good.

@@Reddogg387 hey just checking in again, I replied earlier in the week and am curious on your thoughts. Thanks.

@@jakeblack5321 which is the other dojo you’re looking at? Is it the KiM martial arts or something? Chuck is 100% the best judo sensei in this area. No offense to the others, but it isn’t close. As for judo, he mixes the classes with adults and older kids. In my experience, there’s always a smal group of adults at least. There were some big dudes there, like one guy was 300 lbs and another around upper 200s. I’m not sure if they are there anymore. I haven’t been since covid. But there were always adults. If you do go there, You get a free class too. It is Olympic based judo , so it’s maybe 80/20 throws to ground. He does include basic newaza tho which is great. I can’t say anything negative about chuck. I’ve come in for a month, left for a few, come back... repeat multiple times. And never once did I feel pressured or anything. There’s a local jits club in 22405 which is extremely cult like that makes you feel like you’re singing your rights away. Chuck is the exact opposite

Hahaha!! Half of judo, thats so funny

Exactly ! To us Iranian bjj isn’t something except Judo Ne Waza ..

Oh yeah and I am a judoka who is a permanent resident of Japan and speaks the language fluently before you attack me. I'm just stating the obvious. The damn IJF ruined judo. The best judo is the west is the collier method.

@@lmk2869 "The damn IJF ruined judo" .... why?

Lol

BJJ isn't Olympic, and I wouldn't count on most lay people to know much about judo either. BJJ is a prestigious martial art between the people that know about martial arts, and deserved this prestige, the fact that they did it without the Olympics by private initiative is quite impressive.

ahhhh ok ok , that was very insightful, i had a question regarding where's the atemi waza in judo and i think you just answered a big part of that question. Thanks Gerard, i'll have to make a video answering that question and adding my 2 cents to it also. By the way, i also started Judo at 36, im 42 now. Osu!

@@OGFITNESS Thanks my brother, I did karate for 7 years and have studied the martial arts and martial sports for my entire life, honestly think that the best defense is to not be there and if you are then communication is still more important, most of the benefits are for health and mental resilience.

agree, Judo's marketing sucks, and they don't cater at all to adults, Bjj does those two things extremely well, i think Judo should also cater to the adults, not just on kids and olympics.

​@@OGFITNESS if there were a lot more Judo clubs for adults then I would definitely start training in it.

osu!