Why BOXING Destroyed KARATE 🥊🥋

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Jesse Enkamp

Jesse Enkamp

3 жыл бұрын

Okinawan Karate includes bunkai, grappling, weapons and throws. So why is Japanese Karate so different? The history of Western Boxing has the answer. It all began with a 1921 title fight between Jack Dempsey and George Carpentier in New Jersey, USA.
Big thanks to Patrick McCarthy, the world’s #1 Karate researcher & author, for providing me with the historical insight presented in this video. Please see "Tanpenshu" (Funakoshi Gichin) and "Watashi no Karatejutsu" (Motobu Choki) to learn more about the fascinating history of Karate.
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@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
PART 2! 👊 Learn how Motobu Choki defeated Gichin Funakoshi: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eMyIithlptrJiJs.html 🥋
@rh6280
@rh6280 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe some quality information about the differences in karate gi’s? Like the differences between high waist/normal waist- cotton vs polyester & lycra etc I’d love to hear about the differences between gi’s and how they stack up to each other
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Great ideas! 👍
@shounaksanyal5875
@shounaksanyal5875 3 жыл бұрын
How to do a spinning hook kick. I'd kindly request it bcz I'm struggling with it a lot
@gangaiswamynathan9449
@gangaiswamynathan9449 3 жыл бұрын
Put a video about ISSHIN-RYU KARATE
@Kyojuro___Rengoku
@Kyojuro___Rengoku 3 жыл бұрын
Practical karate applications
@keltrepes2534
@keltrepes2534 3 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee himself stressed that Boxing is absolutely essential, especially for the timing, rhythm, footwork and endurance training.
@rxj0765
@rxj0765 3 жыл бұрын
I boxed for 20 plus years before taking up Karate (which I've always been fascinated by) but my base will always be boxing and it helps with my karate big time
@IAP_mkt
@IAP_mkt 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowrulzalways we don't know how good that boxer was.. Boxing has evolved a ton. I bet if he was put against a Mike Tyson or a modern good mma fighter he would lose really fast
@IAP_mkt
@IAP_mkt 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowrulzalways the things you're saying show you know nothing about boxing. You can't be a strong man and a top level boxer at the same time. Ok, boxing has the disadvantage of not being able to deal with grappling, I give you that. Now if you tell me your karate guy will win against someone like Fedor Emelianenko in his prime or Khabib Nurmagomedov then I won't waste any more of my time on you...
@IAP_mkt
@IAP_mkt 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowrulzalways as if someone paid me to win arguments against you ahahah
@zionzhao172
@zionzhao172 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowrulzalways tldr
@NPC_
@NPC_ 3 жыл бұрын
After getting a black belt in tae kwon do, I trained boxing for about 2 months....returned to tae kwon do for tournaments, and was DQ'd multiple times for throwing a Side Kick followed by "Too many punches not giving opponent chance to recover" ...training in full body martial arts as well as boxing is superior to one or the other.
@michaelblack9458
@michaelblack9458 3 жыл бұрын
That's what Bruce Lee talked about
@wor575
@wor575 3 жыл бұрын
I always go as far as disregarding a lot of the modern TKD as a martial art altogether... they're fighting-inspired gymnastics, a bigger disgrace to its origin than modern karate is to Okinawan karate. (Yes I do get a lot of flak for saying this, I'm used to it)
@geovannicastillo574
@geovannicastillo574 3 жыл бұрын
taekwondo and boxing togather is a great combo
@Metalhead0303sp
@Metalhead0303sp 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I trained TKD to. It is very good martial art, but as a standalone MA its not very effective if you fight some1 who knows how to fight back. But, i would definitely recomend it as a frist martial art, since no other MA can teach you how to kick like TKD. It should be followed by Boxing or Kickboxing... Brasilian Jiu Jitsu is also awesome to complete the circle...
@Metalhead0303sp
@Metalhead0303sp 3 жыл бұрын
@@AyeJordan7 Yeah, you are right. But, honestly a master in tkd wouldnt stand a chance vs very good Muay Thai or kick boxer... Bcos TKD leaves 2 key things in fighting, and thats low kicks and face punches... Atleast the style i was training. Tho, as you said many practicioners train only for points, so it is more of a sport than a MA. But still, you gotta admit that TKD is not a complete MA...
@iblockpuncheswithmyface1490
@iblockpuncheswithmyface1490 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I was lucky. My karate instructor taught us. Kicks, punches, joint locks, throws, everything. Plus he was a bouncer at one of the roughest bars in the city. He had quite a few knockdown drag 'em out street fights under his belt. He knew what worked, and what didn't, and he taught us this.
@ubcroel4022
@ubcroel4022 10 ай бұрын
Dang, what was your instructor's name?
@Christian.L.Rodgers
@Christian.L.Rodgers 10 ай бұрын
Where can I find this man? I want to sign up my boys and my daughter for some lessons.
@maxgaming5353
@maxgaming5353 9 ай бұрын
69 let me fix it now it’s 70
@Awesomeflame16
@Awesomeflame16 7 ай бұрын
My sensei teaches us all these too. We also spar and have adult classes where things are even harder.
@lucaspanto9650
@lucaspanto9650 Жыл бұрын
It's sad that this happens to most martial arts, like taekwondo and karate, where they used to be deadly and are now just sports where you jump around and score points
@carlospreciado2195
@carlospreciado2195 Жыл бұрын
where they really deadly? i mean its hard to practice without a real resisting oponent, sounds like the aikido scam, too deadly to sparr yet when an mma guy bet his life he beats the aikido guy because the deadlyness is mostly in their mind
@lucaspanto9650
@lucaspanto9650 Жыл бұрын
@@carlospreciado2195 I said "used to be deadly" In my tkd school we practice techniques properly, with resisting opponents, and we have boards and stuff as well to be able to do the stuff hard. But It's an exception, and most schools nowadays don't do that kinda stuff. But yeah I think that the old versions of tkd and karate were much more effective. Also one time I almost broke my instructor's leg by doing a technique full power on him, and I was 11 so I wasn't very strong
@DavidWilliams-pb6he
@DavidWilliams-pb6he Жыл бұрын
You were just going to the wrong karate dojo. Sounds like there was more of an emphasis on sport (point) karate. A true dojo is going to also include plenty of striking (with the makiwara) and conditioning of the body to toughen it! Tournament karate stresses control and pulling punches to score without injuring your opponent not good if you can’t switch that mindset in a street fight. Happened to me as a brown belt! I assure you Karate is still deadly but depends on where you train and your goals. There’s a video on KZfaq of a Okinawan Sensei in his late 70s. The guy breaks a fricken makiwara! A blow like that would be lethal to a human being!
@mxvrdahegaouwu7577
@mxvrdahegaouwu7577 Жыл бұрын
I know that feeling
@aggravated_assault
@aggravated_assault Жыл бұрын
Just look at jiu jitsu, especially in america everybody there think bjj is normal jiu jitsu
@schuletrip
@schuletrip 3 жыл бұрын
Boxing / Pugilism is older than most people realise.
@sajadeshahidpour2008
@sajadeshahidpour2008 3 жыл бұрын
+1. The Terme Boxer statue is one of the most amazing examples of martial art representation. You could just switch the cestus with gloves and that would look like a modern-day boxer or MMA fighter...More than 2000 years ago.
@D.Filippovich
@D.Filippovich 3 жыл бұрын
Agree. Even Ancient Romans had a fistfight style which was not boxing but something very-very close to it.
@andywilson8698
@andywilson8698 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmc9812 most old boxer would also train wrestling as well , they actually went hand and hand for the most part. Also boxing used to have more a self defense orientation to it . They taught defense against kicks and grabs ,as well as how to used simple kicks and grappling techniques.
@redwolf7929
@redwolf7929 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmc9812 that's right it is more akin to "dirty boxing".It included elbows,knees, grappling,headbutts .
@Kinos141
@Kinos141 3 жыл бұрын
It's hitting people with your fist. Children do that. So, it's as old as mankind.
@Jandro1083
@Jandro1083 3 жыл бұрын
The way you describe as Karate being "incomplete" the same could be said for boxing. In Roman times when boxing was the official sport, even though there was never any kicking, any strike using the hands was allowed: backhands, hammer fist, open palm strikes, etc... Holds were also allowed, not anything like breaking arms or joint lock, but you could grab and toss or move your opponent into striking positions kind of like the Muay Thai clinch does.
@bigalsnow8199
@bigalsnow8199 2 жыл бұрын
Was the Greeks created boxing and the Roman's borrowed the art.
@remyhavoc4463
@remyhavoc4463 2 жыл бұрын
@A l p h e u s I hate how clinching to change positions is considered as normal but clinching while punching is too dirty and could cost you a point Like, I feel like it would be more exciting for fighters to try and strike while being tangled and I wouldn't mind pushing like how George Foreman does it but it's so frustrating to think that you did your best to finally put your opponent at your preferred range then suddenly he hugs you and all that hardwork was for nothing 😭😂
@remyhavoc4463
@remyhavoc4463 2 жыл бұрын
@A l p h e u s the trips would be kinda controversial since some would abuse it and maybe get away with kicking but agreed that clinching should either be too dirty or be allowed I don't understand how boxers can put you in a guillotine but get taken out a point for punching after a clinch
@Gottacacheemalll
@Gottacacheemalll 2 жыл бұрын
That’s not boxing. That’s pancration
@redrick8900
@redrick8900 2 жыл бұрын
Boxing is a sport, not a fighting system.
@JT_SOG_513
@JT_SOG_513 2 жыл бұрын
Went from karate to boxing and never looked back but I still remember my Shotokan roots… it’s definitely beneficial to train in multiple different styles if possible in order to form your own
@MrHokage007
@MrHokage007 2 жыл бұрын
Same story. Started in karate until black belt then i started boxing and muay thai. Doing so made me realize a lot of weaknesses in shotokan. I still love karate. In my heart im still a karateka.
@matthewdietzen6708
@matthewdietzen6708 2 жыл бұрын
My memory of Shotokan: as soon as we began sparring, none of the karate formalism seemed to apply or feel natural. What did feel natural was boxing techniques like the jab. Of course, in order to get "points," you must do the "technique," except real fights don't care about points.
@faynoz8566
@faynoz8566 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewdietzen6708 the jab is actually named "maite zuki" in karate, finally all styles looks pretty similar :)
@pantasticlaire3966
@pantasticlaire3966 2 жыл бұрын
@@faynoz8566 I think I’d have to describe the final form of mma as low muai thaï with wrestling takedowns rear naked choke.
@stoopidhaters
@stoopidhaters Жыл бұрын
Same goes for Taekwondo. People who went from TKD to Muay Thai had a much easier time kicking with a few adjustments here and there.
@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement
@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement Жыл бұрын
Thank you for clarifying this publically Jesse. I trained in Shotokan most of my life until I opened my own Dojo. It was there I decided to study its Okinawan roots and learn to apply the the principles and techniques of what Karate truly is in my instruction. My very first study was the book Shotokan's Secret. The "secret" was how true Karate was modified in Japan for political acceptance to appear to be only a striking martial art.
@shinchan___4
@shinchan___4 Жыл бұрын
shotokan karate does have grappling
@spurnd
@spurnd 3 жыл бұрын
"But that's a story for another time." No damnit, I need to hear it now!
@paraquita6713
@paraquita6713 2 жыл бұрын
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@genso3065
@genso3065 2 жыл бұрын
haha. look to the right on recommended videos. first one in line, motobu choki.
@michaelhansen2818
@michaelhansen2818 3 жыл бұрын
Make Karate Complete Again Best campaign slogan ever. 👊
@mpforeverunlimited
@mpforeverunlimited 3 жыл бұрын
Cobra kai?
@michaelhansen2818
@michaelhansen2818 3 жыл бұрын
@@mpforeverunlimited 😆 Cobra Kai is Strike first, Strike hard, No Mercy
@TheHouseCommunity
@TheHouseCommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Dutch Kickboxing?
@aliraid9248
@aliraid9248 3 жыл бұрын
Just do mma
@Kroban_d4c
@Kroban_d4c 3 жыл бұрын
Specially taichi man, it used to have a lot of fighting moves and grappling techniques
@rasalghul9331
@rasalghul9331 2 жыл бұрын
I trained in traditional karate for many years as a teen. It was not until I started to train in BJJ, Muay Thai, and MMA that I relaied how ineffective traditional karate training is. I also recall how I used to fall for the ploy traditionalists used to say - that a lot of the more effective techniques of self-defense are "hidden" in true and real karate and that I just didn't know it and had to keep seeking and looking to find it. I am sure once you peel back all the woo-woo mysticism of traditional karate and hidden bunkai nonsense - if you truly and genuinely sought to train the way people serious about self-defense train - it will look much like BJJ, Muay Thai, and MMA do today.
@rauf2610
@rauf2610 Жыл бұрын
Which karate was more effective ?
@rasalghul9331
@rasalghul9331 Жыл бұрын
@@rauf2610 I trained in GoJu
@bash547
@bash547 Жыл бұрын
@@rauf2610 Cobra-kai
@krieger8825
@krieger8825 Жыл бұрын
Isn't BJJ a version of Judo that prioritizes training in ground games
@josef-peterroemer5309
@josef-peterroemer5309 Жыл бұрын
Your confusing today's traditional Karate with the original traditional Karate. It depends on who's school you have learned from Okinawan Karate has always had pressure points, joint locks, and take downs. Schools in Okinawa Still teach the original traditional Karate, the majority of them do and it does not mean that because a school has hundreds of students and dojos around the world that they teach you better karate then a single small Dojo in Okinawa that only teaches select students. You will get better training from the small dojo with only few students. Karate was not meant to be taught to a large crowd of students except if your interested in exercise only. Karate is taught according to your type of body. So it is not practical to teach to large number of students at the same time the Kata the exact same way for everybody.
@chuyramos609
@chuyramos609 2 жыл бұрын
My dad is a black belt in karate (I don't remember the variation ill ask) and I skipped that and went to boxing. When I went into MMA my pops helped train me a bit when it came to the kickboxing aspect. I used those techniques more than the techniques my Muay Thai coach taught me. Now I regret never taking karate. Or wrestling. But that's a different story lol.
@juanocampo2262
@juanocampo2262 7 ай бұрын
Everyone is a black belt😄
@rosalind1635
@rosalind1635 2 ай бұрын
​@@juanocampo2262 Everyone's dad is a black belt* 😊
@isthatsquid
@isthatsquid Ай бұрын
I got 2 years of HS wrestling and it was the best decision I ever made. It was cheap as hell, at school, and had me develop one hell of a base for fighting. Gonna learn Muay Thai now!
@holidayrap
@holidayrap 3 жыл бұрын
When rules are implemented and a martial art is categorized as a SPORT, the "secret" techniques of any fighting system are bound to be lost and/or forgotten. Same thing happened judo. Then comes some individuals who bring them back and claim to invent them. Thanks Mr. Enkamp for your insight.
@professor_incognito
@professor_incognito 3 жыл бұрын
No secret techniques really exist)
@razieljeremy5309
@razieljeremy5309 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure some rules are added so they dont end up killing eachother and no one would watch a fight if the first person to punch the groin wins
@Adiarby13
@Adiarby13 3 жыл бұрын
And then everyone start sayin "boooo traditional martial art suxxxx. MMA is better boooo". TMA were use in war for centuries and some "genius" told everyone to watered it down for sports
@enterurnamehere27
@enterurnamehere27 2 жыл бұрын
@@professor_incognito that's why he types it as "secrets", with aphostophe
@draco_1876
@draco_1876 2 жыл бұрын
@@Adiarby13 cope and seeth. MMA is better
@abudorayakobu
@abudorayakobu 3 жыл бұрын
So original karate was supposed to be MMA. So we should learn MMA.
@RKM8506
@RKM8506 3 жыл бұрын
Basically, I was told by my sensei that the Okinawans, being in the middle of sea faring trade, absorbed a lot of techniques from other Asian countries especially China and Thailand.
@nicksmartialarts9236
@nicksmartialarts9236 3 жыл бұрын
MMA is a joke compared to real karate
@lkfhjto
@lkfhjto 3 жыл бұрын
There is no martial art called MMA, you got figure out what you need to learn.
@Burboss
@Burboss 3 жыл бұрын
Karate was nothing like MMA.
@lkfhjto
@lkfhjto 3 жыл бұрын
@@Burboss and the is no MMA style, everyone is different.
@urayo1
@urayo1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jesse for the videos you put out. This one in particular hit home because prior to my original Sensei Reno morales passing away in 2013, we would often have discussions on the original arts from Okinawa. Many talks discussed, how Sensei Gichin Funakoshi was viewed by both Japanese and the Okinawans. The truth hurts sometimes but, it has to be said to clear confusion sometimes. Sensei Reno had visited Japan long ago while in the U.S. military . He elaborated on many topics troubling him about modern Karate and also answered my many questions. One of my questions dealt with the actual grappling in karate. He explained, originally there were at least 13 throws which were commonly practiced but later discarded for the purposes described in your video. Clearly the katas in Karate leave plenty of room for questions in a young karateka's mind ( that was me). Thank you for bringing to light what was long ago discarded but essential for true combat Karate. OSU!!!
@lancefisher8358
@lancefisher8358 2 жыл бұрын
My father is a black belt in Goju-Ryu and he said he didn't learn how to fight with his hands until he spared a boxer, he was humbled by him. Couldn't land a glove on him with his head movement either. So that's why I was taught boxing first as a child 😅
@smaulpaul
@smaulpaul 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely want to hear the story of how Gichin got his butt kicked. That wasn't in his autobiography...
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Not one of his proudest moments, presumably. 🙃
@TKDPWR
@TKDPWR 3 жыл бұрын
intrested to know more
@JackHanma
@JackHanma 3 жыл бұрын
The legend says that he eventually got bullied by Motobu Choku Sensei...
@donedeal725
@donedeal725 3 жыл бұрын
It may have smth to do with Motobu's noble/royal birth...
@varanid9
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
@pat mat That must be why Otsuka left Funakoshi to study under Motobu; he saw who was the boss.
@Trid3nt861
@Trid3nt861 3 жыл бұрын
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" - *Mike Tyson*
@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew
@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew 3 жыл бұрын
*fathe
@melodiasrojas8428
@melodiasrojas8428 3 жыл бұрын
If he hit you In the face bite his ear of
@Xtrapful
@Xtrapful 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody has a plan until u sniff coke
@MaestroMMA
@MaestroMMA 3 жыл бұрын
everyone hath a faith unthil dey geth punthed in tha plan
@werbethsousa
@werbethsousa 3 жыл бұрын
"Everyone has a plan until they get elbowed in the chin"
@JasonHebert
@JasonHebert 2 жыл бұрын
I trained karate from ages 8 or 9 to 13 or 14 and even when i reached one stripe away from Black Belt i had very little understanding of how to fight because the "lessons" consisted of the person bring ATTACKED being told what to do and how to respond. So 5nor 6 years of train8ng with zeronactual resistance from anyone. Throughout this time me and my friends constantly wrestled with each other and i was quite good at that too. In my first real fight it took me about 20 seconds to realize my karate did nothing and i won by using the wrestling i had taught myself. After that i started boxing and kickboxing and within a month i wae a better fighter than in all my karate training. Dont waste your time. Have a base of wrestling or brazilian jiu jitsu for your grappling (preferably both) and boxing or kickboxing for your striking. Mimic the UFC and what the REAL fighters use to train :)
@franciscusvdlouw5436
@franciscusvdlouw5436 Жыл бұрын
My sensei always dedicated atleast a quarter of each lesson to free sparring wich each other, just so you dont fall into routinely is x happens i do y
@MrZillas
@MrZillas 9 ай бұрын
@JasonHebert - Dude, you started training at being a baby and stopped at being a little child. What did you think you learned?
@duanegarrett4900
@duanegarrett4900 7 ай бұрын
​@@MrZillasexactly 😂😂😂...
@paulworgan6599
@paulworgan6599 6 ай бұрын
How does kicking and punching not work?
@duanegarrett4900
@duanegarrett4900 6 ай бұрын
The crazy part is how you don't realize that your karate background made you a better fighter in the other styles you trained in...
@628tmorgan
@628tmorgan 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video. This stuff was more commonly known years ago but most modern practitioners have forgotten. Glad you're reintroducing this knowledge.
@agalvan91
@agalvan91 3 жыл бұрын
As a Judo practicioner I can relate to this. Making judo an olympic sport has taken out essential techniques like footlocks, leg grabbing take downs and some techniques considered dangerous. What we're left with is a watered down version of a complete fighting and self-defense system, just like what you are saying about Karate. I don't actually practice Karate (I did for a while when I was 11), but it's super interesting hearing your educated and critic point of view about martial arts. We need more people like you in the Budo world Jesse, congratulations!!
@frikandelkroket9335
@frikandelkroket9335 3 жыл бұрын
This should be a Netflix/Japanese series.
@carlosandres1835
@carlosandres1835 3 жыл бұрын
Jaja, true
@juykerudle275
@juykerudle275 3 жыл бұрын
IPMAN is bascially this story over and over again
@loneronin6813
@loneronin6813 3 жыл бұрын
While I don't know if there was ever a show like that in nature, I have seen a movie that I found interesting called, "Fighter in the Wind," that was something of a dramatization of the life and experiences of Masutatsu Oyama, founder of Kyokushinkai Karate. Although it's about the man as much as it is the style and it doesn't really relate to this subject matter at hand, I think it's still worth the watch if you can find it and I think those who made it might be able to pull off the creation of the series you're suggesting. From what I could find of any historical worth, by all accounts Mas Oyama was a really interesting figure and supremely skilled in his own right. In some aspects I think of him as a bit like Bruce Lee in that he had experience with other styles/methods of martial arts, the influence of which can be seen in Kyokushin. Apart from Karate (I believe he was experienced in both Shotokan and Goju Ryu if I recall correctly) he also had experience in Boxing and Judo. (There may have been other styles, but I don't remember well enough to comfortably state it as fact.) If you aren't already familiar with the man behind the martial art, I won't go into further detail, but suffice to say there is a reason he was given the nickname, "The God Hand," and so much more in regards to his accomplishments.
@Juango40
@Juango40 2 жыл бұрын
Jesse: It's a pleasure to be able to reach this history. I've always loved karate all my life. For me to find you have been something really nice and interesting because your video teaches me so many things about karate either Japanese and Okinawan. I encourage you to continue with this youtube channels.
@christianhunt8009
@christianhunt8009 Жыл бұрын
I always thought something about the modern day karate seemed incomplete, but after seeing this video everything makes more sense. I wish this kind of karate still existed.
@duchi882
@duchi882 3 жыл бұрын
This is like learning Martial Arts History in Physical Education Class but much more interesting.
@yvngmidoryia6762
@yvngmidoryia6762 3 жыл бұрын
Duchi if he was my substitute history teacher I would want him to tell me everything he knows I will become unstoppable
@sibsart2039
@sibsart2039 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, imagine if PE taught martial arts?
@TheMixedPlateFrequency
@TheMixedPlateFrequency 3 жыл бұрын
You know what. You have a really good idea. I feel combat history and teaching of hand to hand combat should be taught in P.E. But I think schools don't do it, since it would cost a lot more money and you know how schools are when it comes to tight budgeting.
@bodhidixon2939
@bodhidixon2939 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMixedPlateFrequency schools don’t do it because some people see it as promoting violence
@jamesbovington8218
@jamesbovington8218 3 жыл бұрын
@@bodhidixon2939 Well that is nonsense. All schoolboys should have compulsory boxing lessons from age 10 through 18 and skill and courage in the ring should count for at least as much as an exam pass. Boxing is the absolute best thing a young man can do.
@jad43701
@jad43701 3 жыл бұрын
This explains why the founder of my Dojo blended Shorin-Ryu Karate,Judo, Wing Chun Kung Fu and weaponry. He was just trying to build something closer to the origins of Karate. It makes so much more sense now. Thank you.
@spartanwarrior1
@spartanwarrior1 3 жыл бұрын
Aka mcdojo aka corpse stitching
@pranav9339
@pranav9339 Жыл бұрын
When I saw first my friend practising karate, I literally felt so awkward. The first time when I saw it, I felt it was definitely incomplete because the karate is a form of art where the body posters, even while striking had the defense. Especially some body posters felt like they were meant to be there for holding the opponents's body parts or being ready for the counter grapple stunt. Now I do boxing but seeing this video removed by incompleteness and made me realize my intuition was true. Thank you brother.
@samspade1841
@samspade1841 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the history lesson. I remember learning about Funakoshi when I studied karate in my youth. The founder of modern karate do as I learned. This was a good eye opener about some of the history. I think anyone who has studied a martial art knows that being well learned in the various zones of fighting is important. We had a boxer training in our dojo who typically wanted to spar only using hands. He had some great hooks. It was fairly simple to nullify his hands by using low level kicks. He didn’t like getting his ribs bruised from sidekicks. I on the other hand learned valuable lessons about movement of my head so my nose wouldn’t be broken. And of course a grappler would just take us down. Learning various fighting disciplines and being fit is the only truth to know about the fight game. Much respect to all practitioners no matter your chosen discipline.
@Titi-sv3rb
@Titi-sv3rb 3 жыл бұрын
Only legends knew that Jack Dempsey created ippo's Dempsey roll
@legionmaniac-9202
@legionmaniac-9202 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh they literally said that in the show
@MrLoudthought
@MrLoudthought 3 жыл бұрын
It's in the name....you'd be hard pressed to "google" or "duck duck go" "dempsey roll" without seeing jack dempsey name
@Inthatgoodway
@Inthatgoodway 3 жыл бұрын
Nani?
@Titi-sv3rb
@Titi-sv3rb 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrLoudthought yeah it's just a joke chill
@MrLoudthought
@MrLoudthought 3 жыл бұрын
@@Titi-sv3rb I'm chill, i just didn't understand it as a joke, being there was no punchline.
@wkuntjoro6130
@wkuntjoro6130 3 жыл бұрын
A good history lesson of what had been going on with karate development in Japan. Thank you.
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you liked it! Thanks for supporting my work 🌟
@EspirituEnActo
@EspirituEnActo 9 ай бұрын
People like you really inspire to practice Karate and follow the martial path. I love your way of explaining and how respectful you are with all martial arts! Greetings from Spain.
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@Mowglibaloo2
@Mowglibaloo2 Жыл бұрын
I think punching has a tendency to be more efficient. Also the way boxers train quickly weeds out ineffective technique. The only downside is that you can develop brain injuries relatively early in your boxing training.
@bryanlongshore6198
@bryanlongshore6198 6 ай бұрын
Right.....I practice peekaboo style boxing and Jeet Kun Do from the book Bruce Lees fighting method.....originally Jeet Kun Do didn't have sideways movement and pivoting....I had to go to boxing for those moves....and high kicks and backhands are not something I practice
@Matt_but_call_me_Bob
@Matt_but_call_me_Bob 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when I studied karate (up to 2nd kyu), our senseis were UNaffiliated instructors (Shotokan). This allowed our senseis to fold in concepts of throws, locks, and holds, and it felt so much more complete. They even had guest instructors visit us from the disciplines of kung fu and escrima. It was awesome.
@Wessex90
@Wessex90 3 жыл бұрын
My club’s founder broke away from the KUGB and formed his own small association so as a result the club is able to do exactly what you described. Makes Shotokan more whole.
@Matt_but_call_me_Bob
@Matt_but_call_me_Bob 3 жыл бұрын
@Not This Guy Again I'm into boxing and muay thai these days and agreed, I count them as a bit more practical and direct than karate.... ALTHOUGH, I credit karate with teaching me a few things: - distancing - bracing at the moment of the strike - timing of maximum "hardness" for the strike - getting your shins bashed and pretending you didn't feel anything ;) I'd also never discount the utility or power of a well placed mae geri or yoko geri (can't wait for free sparring in muay thai and bust out a surprise side kick), or if you have the luxury of it, a fully wound up straight punch. They'd all have a place depending on context. I mean, there's no ushiro geri in muay thai, so it's beneficial to have it in the toolbox.
@lampit471
@lampit471 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wessex90 This is exactly what Steve Cattle did in the early 90s. What we were doing back then extrapolated on the linear training of KUGB at the time and gave great freedom to interpret kata however you liked. Locks, sweeps, grapples and more knee and elbow strikes. We also trained with a few outside instructors in the likes kick boxers, Eskrima, jujitsu and other traditional Japanese weapon styles. I suppose it was a little more akin to MMA. Not that many of us got particular proficient at the other disciplines, but it opened your eyes to the sort of things you may encounter outside of the dojo.
@Wessex90
@Wessex90 3 жыл бұрын
@@lampit471 absolutely! We do chokes (a lot), some basic Judo and basic ground work (we’re not super proficient with it, but it starts us off and our time is always a bit limited). I had the opportunity to do a Goju Ryu session last year during our annual camp and also did an MMA session with Chris Pritchard, a Shokukai (spelling?) and BJJ background earlier this year. We regularly train with a leading Aikidoka too as the Senseis are good friends (though I’ve never done the Aikido stuff yet). What helps a lot is that the club in general has many members who are very street wise (especially the head Sensei who’s scary as hell to pair up with). I don’t hear great things about KUGB at all because of the politics. We have quite an MMA mentality compared to other clubs I’ve seen when we did courses (quite a few “sports” karateka among them).
@Wessex90
@Wessex90 3 жыл бұрын
@@lampit471 out of curiosity, where in the UK do you train?
@ctrlv4037
@ctrlv4037 3 жыл бұрын
The most cringe part is when certain fighting style practicer defeats other style practicer, mostly they gonna say about how that style is better, instead of understanding that it's not about style that was better, it's about who uses it being better
@gxtmfa
@gxtmfa 3 жыл бұрын
But is it never true? Are there not certain styles more adept at combat?
@THATGUY-ir4ie
@THATGUY-ir4ie 3 жыл бұрын
@Maximus Vetarus Karate is watered down depending on who teaches you.
@THATGUY-ir4ie
@THATGUY-ir4ie 3 жыл бұрын
If they can get them fast enough with a strike they can.
@garykurthaas
@garykurthaas 3 жыл бұрын
That is truly sound advice.
@garykurthaas
@garykurthaas 3 жыл бұрын
@Maximus Vetarus That is truly sound advice. You sir know what you are talking about.
@veganrican6222
@veganrican6222 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos my brother ;you give a very good historical background on karate 🥋. Thank you 🙏🏾 so much for sharing your knowledge.
@Chetbadboy007
@Chetbadboy007 Жыл бұрын
Quality content!! Loved the way you explain it while giving importance to all martial art styles :)
@Spirittkdaus
@Spirittkdaus 3 жыл бұрын
I love the fact you refer to modern Karate as incomplete. And yet so many of the answers are right in front of us in Kata. Time to fill in the blanks me thinks! I'd love to hear Patrick Mccarthy's view on this. Thanks for sharing Jesse.
@howmuchbeforechamp
@howmuchbeforechamp 3 жыл бұрын
@@Traumatree thats why mma exists , mma is the most complete martial art as it uses all forms pf fight8ng and melds them to be the most effective
@punkgrl325
@punkgrl325 2 жыл бұрын
@@howmuchbeforechamp MMA is a sport, not a martial art.
@nawaMLG
@nawaMLG 3 жыл бұрын
Boxing changed every martial arts who include punch, like muay thai, savate, karate, Kung Fu.
@y.y.47
@y.y.47 3 жыл бұрын
boxing gave birth to a new kind of karate named a kickboxing (American full contact karate (full contact rules) and Japanese karate-boxing (k1 rules))
@nathanly8761
@nathanly8761 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I feel like some of that was great improvement to the development of the art. Muay Thai and Kung Fu didn't have hands speed like boxers and using the sweet science as a foundation for the development of the sport helped develop them as a martial art in my opinion
@justalurker3489
@justalurker3489 3 жыл бұрын
@@y.y.47 I think Japanese kickboxing comes from Seidokaikan karate borrowing a Muay Thai like ruleset (but not as many of the Thai techniques), as that style was created by one of the Kyokushin guys who fought in Thailand. Interesting history there
@multatuli1
@multatuli1 3 жыл бұрын
But i think that boxing absorbing all kind of punching technique from other martial arts 🤔
@andys4708
@andys4708 3 жыл бұрын
I thinking the most important thing in boxing changed all martial arts is gloves. Gloves made punches training more safety. More sparring, more fight experience. Its change all in fight vision, in perception.
@jlogan2228
@jlogan2228 2 жыл бұрын
What got me really into boxing after years of karate was realizing if im being attacked im not always going to have the luxury of wearing the right pants and shoes and be stretched and warmed up to be kicking like I normally would, but if i can learn to use my hands they will always be available and ready
@chrisbenoit2675
@chrisbenoit2675 2 жыл бұрын
A quick 1-2 will end a whole lot of fights fast
@duanegarrett4900
@duanegarrett4900 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely, so many hand strike styles to choose from
@alexdriftersupraman
@alexdriftersupraman 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. You are not just practicing karate, you literally live for karate. ❤️
@edpone8600
@edpone8600 3 жыл бұрын
This is too true. I first started doing 13 years of Okinawan Karate, where we practiced kihon, kata, kumite, Kobudo and body conditioning. There was hefty Bunkai practice too. The distance of fighting was actually quite close. I was told that until an attacker (we assume, not armed with a gun) was in danger range, you could just make distance between yourself and the other guy, until you had no choice but to fight up close. Fast forward many years later, I started doing JKA Shotokan and noticed that the distance became like "fist Kendo". The fighting distance was like 6 or 7 feet now. No more Kobudo and very little Bunkai either. Now, doing BJJ, my coach would say create distance; if he gets close, back up. Until you have no choice but to fight, then CLOSE the distance to you are in your opponent's face. JKA Shotokan has no real answer to "up in your face" encounter. Shotokan gutted all the other good stuff originally practiced in Okinawan Karate. You may disagree, as theses are my own observations and opinions.
@dnice583
@dnice583 2 жыл бұрын
check out Ian Abernathy he teaches the truth bunkai of kata from shotokan and shito-ryu the throws the locks the griping the grappling is all in the kata u just need to understand it's application.
@dnice583
@dnice583 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy Jesse but sempai Ian is light years ahead of him
@danielcrafter9349
@danielcrafter9349 2 жыл бұрын
HIGHLY agree!
@pogdawg1336
@pogdawg1336 3 жыл бұрын
Motobu choki is the real version of the word "badass"
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Legendary man 👊
@jonahi1304
@jonahi1304 3 жыл бұрын
The coolest thing to ever happen would've been if Motobu Choki actually fought John L. Sullivan instead of that other clown. Motobu comes in bare-knuckled and Sullivan gets a slight grin on his face as he rips off the gloves: happy to fight like he did in the old days. No rules need to be stated they know how the fight will happen: Bloody and lasting until one of them drops.
@AgentSynthetic
@AgentSynthetic 8 ай бұрын
Wow❤ I loved this Sensei! Complete the picture!❤ My favorite video of yours!
@AndrewUKLondon
@AndrewUKLondon 8 ай бұрын
That's fascinating, and really well told. I hadn't realised the reason why karate expanded from Okinawa to mainland Japan, and the changes to karate as a result.
@jonahi1304
@jonahi1304 3 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is "The JAPANESE Destroyed Karate"
@leminh8836
@leminh8836 3 жыл бұрын
Almost martial arts were complete, but they’re changed cause people tranform them to combat sports. Like boxing, its old styles (pugilism) was a complete martial art with punch, kick, grappling and weapons techniques
@Alexander12391
@Alexander12391 3 жыл бұрын
I guess so. And seems to be the truth
@hermesdeluca
@hermesdeluca 3 жыл бұрын
The Japanese destroied Karate to give it a try against the boxe
@noliyoshida7486
@noliyoshida7486 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda like how the Olympics destroyed Judo?
@TearThatRedFlagDown
@TearThatRedFlagDown 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much, if you wanna be more specific it's Japanese normies at the time destroyed karate. Looks like not a whole lot changed.
@pashanoble9359
@pashanoble9359 3 жыл бұрын
I remember practicing all of these techniques and when it was time to spar, everyone assumed a boxing stance. You always had to be good with your hands. It's fundamental. Even brothers who went to prison, when they came home, they had this arkward style of boxing called the 52 hand blocks. That stuff was serious. Put a lot of cats to sleep. I love your channel.
@fangy6443
@fangy6443 11 ай бұрын
Your ability to tell stories is phenomenal and captivating. I was engrossed through the whole tale.
@Sashimiburger
@Sashimiburger 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff, learned a lot. I also learned that everyone in the comments section is a martial arts expert.
@laperrablanca1
@laperrablanca1 3 жыл бұрын
In our Shotokan organization, Tsutomu Ohshima SKA, the curriculum includes torite, nage waza, atemi waza, etc. Sumo like grappling is also included, especially as part of children instruction. There is no ground grappling, so some dojos actually began cross training with BJJ. Some dojos also include some weapon (kobudo) training. As for boxing destroying karate... well, in this COVid 19 times 😯... I'm watching a lot of boxing instruction videos, and I'm actually learning A LOT from them, getting a better understanding of close range fighting, slipping, dodging, angles for strike and evasion, and so on, that are ALL hiding in our katas. Very interesting video
@dmxc93
@dmxc93 3 жыл бұрын
@Conexus X18 You didn't understand the point, when he mentioned that boxing destroyed karate, it was that after the boxing exhibition, the base of karate was changed, it stopped following the root to become a kicked boxing
@DaleMallows
@DaleMallows 3 жыл бұрын
SKA represent!
@amsyarzero
@amsyarzero 3 жыл бұрын
@Conexus X18 It's not about that. What Jesse-san means by _boxing destroyed karate_ is that the karate that Funakoshi Gichin introduced only had punches and kicks, when it should be more than that.
@dmxc93
@dmxc93 3 жыл бұрын
@@chinolatino9663 it is not evolution, it was a forced change by the government, also i don't mention china '-'
@mitchelweaver6801
@mitchelweaver6801 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, what we know of as boxing is also incomplete. Boxing used to include forearms, elbows, kicks, and throws.
@nerychristian
@nerychristian 3 жыл бұрын
So like kickboxing?
@mitchelweaver6801
@mitchelweaver6801 3 жыл бұрын
@@nerychristian Well, in terms of what was legal and illegal, it was somewhat similar to modern kickboxing, but it was stylistically more like karate actually, and it was usually bareknuckle. Check out the channel English Martial Arts.
@seyerus
@seyerus 3 жыл бұрын
But ‘sadly’ people got seriously injured regularly so the Marquess of Queensbury intervened. Sadly.
@clanksshekels
@clanksshekels 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, back when it was used as a proper combat martial art in Europe, the combat form of boxing is called pugilism
@gabrielgant3971
@gabrielgant3971 3 жыл бұрын
And head butts
@bgdavis5089
@bgdavis5089 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos in this series. Thank you!
@rameshkrishnan4492
@rameshkrishnan4492 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously Thanks to you Sensei , your immense knowledge has opened my eyes. You are just great.
@opiskelu6097
@opiskelu6097 3 жыл бұрын
This history lesson gave so much answers. Suddenly all makes sense. Every Karate pacticioners should defenetily know these historical facts of karate, so they could have more perspective. In this time, it seems, that mr. Enkamp is doing best job with teaching that. Thank you!
@rousseau327
@rousseau327 3 жыл бұрын
@Abu Ali al-Husayn ibn Abdillah ibn Sina Well, that's because it hasn't evolved in mainstream since then due to its absence, and that's completely normal. I'd imagine that if grappling techniques were brought back into mainstream karate, it would be tailored to compete against the fighting styles in the modern day.
@GM-uq1xz
@GM-uq1xz 3 жыл бұрын
Boxing took my karate to entirely new level that even blew my mind when i first put it all together.
@michaelneal7377
@michaelneal7377 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for uploading this video 😊
@monsterslayer4317
@monsterslayer4317 9 ай бұрын
Great episode! Thank you!
@jettfuelfitness
@jettfuelfitness 3 жыл бұрын
The arbitrary limitations of boxing (only hitting with knuckles), this actually has encouraged incredible innovation over time to get around these limitations. This is why ‘hand fighting’ and punching ability in MMA and other, more complex styles, is ironically much more simple and underdeveloped compared to boxing. Watch zabit magomedsharipov vs Kyle bochniak, amazing fight, shows just how good boxing alone can be against MMA with kicks and grappling. And bochniak isn’t even as good as a lot of pro boxers.
@eugene7304
@eugene7304 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, the video is unavailable ("private") on You Tube etc.
@braveheart4603
@braveheart4603 3 жыл бұрын
yeah but bochniak has decent levels of grappling to at least defend against zabit and force the fight into where he can employ his boxing whereas a pure boxer could never actually force you into engaging him in boxing in the first place. he could not defend basic grappling and likely taken down then chocked out pretty swiftly by someone like zabit or straight head/ leg kicked into the shadow realm hah. i've loved watching mma through the years of pitching varying fighting styles against each other and i'm kinda saddened that mma has become more of a focused discipline itself. many fighters coming through now just trained mma from the start without competing or training in related combat sports or martial art.
@BroadwayRonMexico
@BroadwayRonMexico 2 жыл бұрын
Bochniak had some experience and training with grappling though, which most boxers dont. Mike Tyson himself has said that even if he were still in his prime, he wouldnt last long against an MMA fighter since he wouldnt have any answer to throws and rolls Boxers tend to do well in MMA provided they train a bit extra for dealing with grappling and groundfighting. MMA fighters dont do so well in boxing on the other hand because most of their toolset theyve honed isnt usable
@enterurnamehere27
@enterurnamehere27 2 жыл бұрын
@@BroadwayRonMexico yeah boxers that do well in MMA are usually bcuz they have some extra training in other forms of fighting in the first place, if they only know boxing and only uses boxing in an MMA fight they would be utterly destroyed by their opponents who know more varieties of combat forms than just boxing
@TheNEOverse
@TheNEOverse 2 жыл бұрын
A boxing skillset alone isn't enough in MMA. But all MMA fighters will train boxing if they seriously want good hands. The specialised skillset you get from boxing makes it the absolute best at that. If you diluted it with half arsed grappling and kicks, you dilute the cross training potential.
@CaffeineKing
@CaffeineKing 3 жыл бұрын
What I love about Jesse is that he is clearly passionate about Karate - he loves Karate *but* he's critical too. And he's knowledgeable. Strengths. Weaknesses. The lot. I learn something interesting every time. Please keep it up.
@thomasbeall9069
@thomasbeall9069 3 жыл бұрын
He's a smiling troll. He disrespects his own art and it's not good.
@thomasbeall9069
@thomasbeall9069 3 жыл бұрын
@Craig Gibbons he plays into youtube trollism. When did I say I knew it all? He doesn't so much do history as much as he makes he creates click bait. He takes well known info for any historian and finds ways to down play his own art for views.
@lucascastro2802
@lucascastro2802 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbeall9069 That mindset is dumb. I'm a karateka. I love karate and it made me into who I am today, but I understand that it is highly flawed, specially in modernity. It is dumb to thing it's disrespectful to criticize your own art, as that's the only way to improve it.
@rousseau327
@rousseau327 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbeall9069 "disrespects his own art" lmfao, you must be own of those "patriot" types who think "respect" means blind faith, aren't you? Respect is acknowledging the strengths of something, while knowing the weaknesses, and hopefully finding ways to improve said weaknesses. That's respect. The blind faith form of "respect" you're practicing is just plain ignorant.
@thedog5k
@thedog5k 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't criticize it at all, it was more of an excuse saying its not what it was.
@fabiaorei4798
@fabiaorei4798 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Jesse! I love your videos and serious research work that is not just about karate, but about several other arts. Greetings from a Brazilian friend!
@deanking8492
@deanking8492 9 ай бұрын
Good channel mate, love your history and education. Nice work 👍👍
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@deanking8492
@deanking8492 9 ай бұрын
@@KARATEbyJesse karate saved my life. A friend of mine in high school showed me a block. Uchi-uke gaden barai, so the combination block, not both separate... he knew I was a Bruce Lee and van damme fan, grew up in a small country town. Just learnt what I could buy, practising again and again and rewinding the vhs tapes, anyway, Monday, my mate, Robert said to me go to punch me, anywhere... and then he did the block, I was impressed. he said yeah I've been doing karate. That was it four years later I became the full contact fighting champion of Queensland, Australia. I beat the heavyweight Australian champion to get that title. I have only ever fought in the first round, in a full contact championship no one would fight me after watching the fight I would win titles because people would decline to fight me after watching me FINALLY being able to execute my craft, without fear of hurting my opponent. As you know, Dolph Lundgren is a martial arts expert, he won the Australian title one time, but that was the one year my branch chief Tony Bowden, didn't win because he was over in Hawaii competing for the worlds. He got 16 and 2 or 3 over times. There is even a ride up on the Internet somewhere, the punch that rocked Hawaii. His instructor was Mas Oyama. If you look at the book, Cameron Quinns the Budo karate of Mas Oyama. It's just full of my instructors and friends Dad's from school etc when I was 15 I fought John halford (1998 i think) world champ kickboxing. At 17, I was in the military, my kyokushin training served me well, it was actually really easy and not a challenge at all. I was kinda disappointed to be honest, then by the time I was 19 I was on a warship in the Middle East doing boarding operations. Never once have I ever doubted my capability. It's been tested many times and I'm still here. Honestly, it doesn't matter what you do, its all on you but when you have the right information you get to where you want to be a hell of a lot quicker. I now have motor neuropathy I can barely hold a pen and write. Recently i was the victim of a road rage incident. I am 5'11 and only 75 kg now I pulled over just to let the dick head drive past me but he pulled over in front of me, blocking my car pulled me out wanted to have a fight. I just remained composed, because honestly I haven't trained in 20 years. This guy was like 6'4 (my sons height) and easily 100+ kilos look like you've been laying bricks his while life, I asked him one simple question to go in the upper hand straight away. What is your armament? When he asked me what armament was, I just relax, exhaled and smiled. Then he tried to put me in a headlock and punch me a few times, but as soon as he got me in a headlock because it was not correct, I gave him a little not even hard uppercut more just to stun him and then for half a second, and then I stepped with my left leg across his body, reach down between my own legs behind his knee, and then pulled his knee up between my own legs, then I took him to the ground. He tried to get away, created more tension, and all I needed to do was move, my hips and his face went into the bitumen. As I am writing this, I remember saying there's people watching. I couldn't really say it that well he was squeezing my neck pretty tight. I actually thought this is gonna end up on KZfaq 😝 but yeah I just took him to the ground and when I let him go and got up he was running away. Literally didn't even think just reacted. I was on my way to visit one of my friends, a person that I sold a puppy to a few years ago and became mates with. I don't condone Street fighting that's just childish, stupid behaviour, but when you have to defend yourself, you have to defend yourself. It works. Can't argue with the results. Anyway bit of a novel sorry but honestly I love watching your channel you travel around, educating people you are a humble well mannered person. Excellent representation for the martial arts well. Honestly, well done mate. You're doing everybody proud. Past present and future martial artists alike 🙏 ous
@deanking8492
@deanking8492 9 ай бұрын
Sorry for the typos, I had to use voice to text. My hands that work, the best now from my motor neuropathy lol if you're ever in Australia, let me know 👍 I might be able to educate you a lil (there's a reason they do wax on wax off and I also got to do with the meaning of empty hand) it's a philosophy of mine, but long story short if you had a sword and then swang that sword, with two hands.. sword that is the knife hand strikes, by the time you get to be a black belt you should literally just be able to pick up a sword and move, because you've been training empty-handed for years. I never learn how to sword fight but after training, martial arts, I could pick up a sword and just fight. Well also, very well.. i was truly amazed. That's when the penny dropped. Wax on wax off paint the fence etc was litteraly like OMG. Training the same body mechanics, it's almost like your sword, fighting without a sword. Kind of like capoeira being just 'a dance' not a martial art you know it's like one of those hidden factors, but anyway. Would be very interesting to see if you could get some information about that who knows throughout your research you might go. Oh yeah blah blah blah. that could also be another video. Come down to Australian make a video if you want and I'll show you what I mean hey ☺️ totally works 👍👍
@jeraldmcclainofficial6005
@jeraldmcclainofficial6005 3 жыл бұрын
Boxing combinations make 90% of blocks ineffective.
@kempo79
@kempo79 3 жыл бұрын
Because you don't usually block punches at medium distance (typical for boxing distance). Sensei Oliver Enkamp (MMA) beautifully explained the matter of distances in one of Jesse's other videos. In short - karate uses long distance, boxing medium distance and there's short distance (clinch) - judo, BJJ, wrestling etc.
@chivasanada7610
@chivasanada7610 3 жыл бұрын
Who asked you?
@jeraldmcclainofficial6005
@jeraldmcclainofficial6005 3 жыл бұрын
@@chivasanada7610 Sensei Jesse liked and appreciated my comment. Assuming you're a black belt, incorporate wrestling, western boxing and kickboxing into your arsenal. You really only need to do your katas and basics once a month, assuming you have them all plus a working knowledge of bunkai. Spar as much as you can. You're Welcome.
@irmaone23
@irmaone23 3 жыл бұрын
@@kempo79 kyokushin karate uses short distance
@jesusemd.valley1361
@jesusemd.valley1361 3 жыл бұрын
@Deanoss Last Karate has short, medium and long range striking--- I am not going to fall for the boxers sequence, I am going in and out ---and will employ all parts of my body (knees, elbows, low kicks to knees or hamstrings followed by open palms, or precise striking ) if am engaged in an altercation with a boxer-- conversely the boxer will jab, hook, uppercut, cross xyzzy (not necessarily in that sequence)-- maybe get in and get out --- I believe both methods of fighting (boxing or karate) are effective for self defense --- get in get out and move out ---peace
@UrianArt
@UrianArt 3 жыл бұрын
I swear, Martial art history is one of the best thing in human history !
@alexanderxyz6146
@alexanderxyz6146 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Jesse Enkampf, for your awesome, indepth but concise story telling. Exciting and not too superficial for its length. Came here from the other video and I thinnk it's a very nice unique video style that I have not seen yet, very nice. 🥊 Thanks for enlightning about Motobu Choki, the true Karate, and that hilarious news article showing the JP karate fighter winning instead of him, a giant lying world and politics, as you made clear Motobu wasn't trained well in, in the other video. I'm also thinking with this true Karati style, perhaps the famous JP karate fighter who challenged Bruce Lee would have had more success (but he had got defeated one-sidedly), of course now more understandable 🥋
@djs7734
@djs7734 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, it's so great to hear about the history of martial arts.
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@williamkarlsson785
@williamkarlsson785 3 жыл бұрын
I got really surprised when you said The the name Jack Dempsey. My favorite boxer :) Very cool video man. History is so important and interesting
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Thanks a lot 🙏
@GrizzlyHansen
@GrizzlyHansen 3 жыл бұрын
I love Dempsy's book.
@varanid9
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
Ramsey Dewey's favorite boxer, too.
@sidlopes4429
@sidlopes4429 3 жыл бұрын
THAT is fer darn sure 👍
@sidlopes4429
@sidlopes4429 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrizzlyHansen , i had that book a small like " pamphlet ", almost that was pretty well articulated as i recall
@QuestOfChris
@QuestOfChris 2 жыл бұрын
I feel that human nature's "easy route" destroys many martial arts too. Look at Judos ruleset nowadays. Very conditioned, very safe. Limited. (I'm not knocking the art. I love Judo!) Another great video Jesse. A true professional at what you do 👊🏻🔥
@Iogsatot
@Iogsatot Жыл бұрын
Because many MA was turned to regular sport. Normal MA was meant mostly for real fight (if not for killing), havent flashy moves, have dirty (by sport standards) moves.
@kilerog
@kilerog Жыл бұрын
That tends to happen when you turn something from a practical combat art into a regulated sport. The latter CAN'T be fully effective since part of the goal is to limit harm to the competitors. Modern fencing, I think, showcases this very well. I do think that it's important for most styles to delineate between and preserve both "full combat" and a "for competition" versions of themselves. You attract new students with the safer competitions, but maintain a fuller, more practical version of the style in the schools, so that the full art is not lost.
@Iogsatot
@Iogsatot Жыл бұрын
@@kilerog And we have a few problem here: 1. How many peoples really know full art? Pre 20th century version, which was used for life-and-death battle. 2. I dont think any goverment will support teaching of non-sport MA for regular civilians. 3. MA now is business. You can easly sell "become a carate-kid by training 3 hours per week" thing, but its very hard to sell "you will need to work realy hard almost every day, sparring is potentially dangerous, you most likely will go to prison if you will use those tecnics outside gym".
@TheSandkastenverbot
@TheSandkastenverbot Жыл бұрын
Of course it's human nature to avoid getting injured in training or disabled in a tournament. That's not an easy route, that's chosing health over perfection. Apart from that, there are still enough injuries happening in Judo randori.
@philv2529
@philv2529 5 ай бұрын
Judo banned morote Gari, the double leg takedown.
@user-wk9tt2vd5v
@user-wk9tt2vd5v 9 ай бұрын
Very informative, Jesse!
@TopG20073
@TopG20073 2 жыл бұрын
I love karate's history, it is something that makes me calm. Can you do more of history vids
@swordseeker8910
@swordseeker8910 3 жыл бұрын
Love this story! Learning a lot of new (I guess old?) things about Karate that sheds light on its true form and purpose. I've been binge watching your content for days now haha!
@pratham.pingle
@pratham.pingle 3 жыл бұрын
Whoaa!!! I love these karate history videos!! It makes studying the art so much more interesting!!! Thanks for this sensei!!😀😀😀
@sidlopes4429
@sidlopes4429 3 жыл бұрын
THAT is most assuredly the reason why he puts these together.😑
@khaledkamel1850
@khaledkamel1850 2 жыл бұрын
Today my first day in yout channel and I like its content so much .plus you are very respectful and humble man..true manner of martial artist ..you earned a new subscriber
@theman5614
@theman5614 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks that was something new that I learnt about Karate. I always thought Karate was hand to hand combat but when you mentioned weapons that surprised me and was something new because if I'm correct they translate karate as the way of the empty hand or something like that so I'm surprised to hear training and involvements included weapons. I'll look into Karate history more another time, that's some interesting things you'll put out in this video.
@johannkrebzs332
@johannkrebzs332 3 жыл бұрын
JESSE I used to think Karate is a meme. But your videos made me respect this beautiful art
@baldaction3510
@baldaction3510 3 жыл бұрын
I practice shotokan and the open hand techniques as well as the grapping, throwing, strangling... are still there, mostly in the bunkai. It's just a question of focus: shotokan mainly focus on percussion technique while projection and submission techniques are less practiced. And the main reason for it is time: most karateka outside Japan do only 2/3 hours of Karate per week, it is simply not possible to do everything in such short time. The real problem with sport-karate is when the techniques aim to be beautiful and not to be effective (with the very wide and low stance for example).
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
If you look at Funakoshi’s early work, it’s all there! 👍 But... later he wrote: “Times change, the world changes, and obviously the martial arts must change too. The karate that high school students practise today is not the same karate that was practised even are recently as ten years ago, and it is a long way indeed from the karate I learned when I was a child in Okinawa”.
@cybermek
@cybermek 3 жыл бұрын
@Condé Turenne tournament karate is still karate, so it can still be trained and applied to self-defense situations.
@PAULOSILVA-fe4zs
@PAULOSILVA-fe4zs 3 жыл бұрын
@@KARATEbyJesse O problema do karate que Funakoshi apresento no Japão nos primeiros tempos, era porque Funakoshi teve de lhe dar uma imagem mais didáctica ou o imperador e o ministro da educação nunca teriam aceite a sua pratica na escola primaria e universidade ...
@glens2019
@glens2019 3 жыл бұрын
We keep sports karate practice to a separate day and as a sideline to normal self defense practice.
@hansybarra
@hansybarra 3 жыл бұрын
@@PAULOSILVA-fe4zs What?
@airwatching2
@airwatching2 7 ай бұрын
this video is just great, congrats
@billchristian4918
@billchristian4918 9 ай бұрын
My Kenpo karate class was half boxing. Our sparring was kick boxing. We did a lot of boxing drills.
@CombatSelfDefense
@CombatSelfDefense 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really wonderful breakdown and dissertation on the development of Karate. Matt Thornton - the founder of Straight Blast Gym, said in another video that he believes Wing Chun was developed as a response to traditional English boxing. Not necessarily to try and beat it or make more Chinese people practice a Chinese martial art, but because the founder wanted a style LIKE boxing, and Wing Chun was the result.
@kangtheconqueror8359
@kangtheconqueror8359 2 жыл бұрын
Wing Chun is a more striking based derivative white crane style from southern China.
@boereburger6762
@boereburger6762 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree. Wing chun was developed by a women.
@garryjones1776
@garryjones1776 3 жыл бұрын
So apparently that "boxing match" was pro wrestling match, cause man that fought Choki was Jan Kentel, pro wrestler that never boxed. Pretty sad
@thecevi9179
@thecevi9179 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, just that “he swinged his hand” seemed to me that this guy never boxed before.
@isolahti
@isolahti 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that swing that was mentioned realy doesnt sound something a skillfull boxer or pugilist from that era would do. Hate brake it to folks but real boxer would have caused far more problems for our master karateka.
@joaquinflores3547
@joaquinflores3547 3 жыл бұрын
I seen modern matches of Boxers against karatekas and for the most part the Boxers always win
@RambleOn07
@RambleOn07 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah just old school propaganda
@gabrielapolo4131
@gabrielapolo4131 3 жыл бұрын
@@joaquinflores3547 I seen modern matches of Boxers against karatekas and for the most part the karatekas always win.
@CarlosAlbertoLobaton
@CarlosAlbertoLobaton 7 ай бұрын
I cant believe I had not seen this video! thanks Jesse!
@davealexanian
@davealexanian 2 жыл бұрын
what a great series of videos. I love the history!
@allanogleidson9857
@allanogleidson9857 3 жыл бұрын
Esse canal é de uma riqueza sem precedentes. Iniciei recentemente a prática do karatê, e ainda sou 7 kyu (faixa branca). Sei que o caminho é longo, e seu canal tem me motivado ainda mais a estudar e melhorar no estudo dessa arte marcial tão rica. Mesmo que o Karatê moderno esteja longe do que foi antes da modernização, ainda assim, é, sem dúvida alguma, edificante e prazerosa de se praticar. Obrigado pela legenda em português e continue esse trabalho espetacular em prol do karatê.
@flowrepins6663
@flowrepins6663 2 жыл бұрын
vc precisa tocar um.metal epico
@federicofekete2419
@federicofekete2419 2 жыл бұрын
Sopasumacaco una delicia
@icaroalbuquerque8363
@icaroalbuquerque8363 2 жыл бұрын
Penso igual mano
@FHyde9977
@FHyde9977 2 жыл бұрын
Facccs
@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb
@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb 3 жыл бұрын
Great video with interesting history! After many years I’ve realized that people emphasize the ‘differences’ of martial arts instead of looking for the commonalities and practical application. Whether Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu, Okinawan Karate (Goju, Shoto, Kyoku) or HEMA - the body moves the same way and the joints lock the same way in Europe or in Asia. Different styles evolve similar techniques, because the building blocks are the same. The first time I saw a HEMA sword takedown I thought “that’s Osoto Gari!” Much respect - thank you for the great content.
@tonymarino4323
@tonymarino4323 Жыл бұрын
Always soo interesting your stories! Amazing job u did there! Anyway it reminds me of the history of Taekwondo. Taekwondo also share the same root with Karate.. but unfortunately is even more incomplete than Karate nowadays! Such a pity!
@Sionnach1601
@Sionnach1601 Жыл бұрын
These are brilliant videos. Just subscribed. Very very pleased with your showing the history behind things. This makes the modern models vastly more interesting, in many different ways. I salute you highly as a video creator and fellow man. 👍👏
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse Жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome!
@Sionnach1601
@Sionnach1601 Жыл бұрын
@@KARATEbyJesse Maith an fear 👍👏
@mangrulloplantadegas3378
@mangrulloplantadegas3378 3 жыл бұрын
No soy un fanatico del Karate, obvio siempre lo respete, pero estos videos de Jesse me han generado un gran curiosidad. La forma objetiva de explicar los diferentes temas es de admirar! Saludos desde Argentina y sigue asi Jesse.
@lincoln1932
@lincoln1932 3 жыл бұрын
Jesse, eu definitivamente virei seu fã. Não sou praticante de karatê, pratico muay thai, porém sou muito interessado na história e filosofia de todas as artes marciais. Adorei seu canal e espero que continue trazendo mais conteúdos históricos. Parabéns
@Izhkoort
@Izhkoort 9 ай бұрын
I would love many martial arts took insight on this kind of things and try to bring back their whole tool boxes again and even polish them until they shine like new
@seba_ksports
@seba_ksports Жыл бұрын
Very interesting thank you. Eager to see the video of the Funakoshi vs. Motobu encounter/fight 👍👍👍 There is a similar misunderstanding with taekkyeon which has lots of techniques for real fighting and not just kicks and sweeps.
@AspiringSanta
@AspiringSanta 3 жыл бұрын
Nah let's be really honest here and call it how it is... Japan destroyed karate and the movement to get it to schools and make it ''Japanized'' largely led by Funakoshi. Also Funakoshi's own personal biases played a large part, though one could argue that was also a big part in why he was as Jesse says the ''chosen one''. Boxing might have influenced it but ultimately it's Japan & Japanizing of karate that got us to the mess we are in today where we went from having possibly the most complete martial art in history to a 99% daycare-choreography dance-belt factory-uniform wearing deluded joker martial art.
@skyworm8006
@skyworm8006 3 жыл бұрын
@@avenger4027 It's a problem of becoming a sport and limited rules. In reality, the martial arts of old when wars were still fought without guns no matter where in the world were probably highly developed covering all aspects of fighting/war and all weapons. That is as broad and complete as you're going to get but we can't use it today so we've lost it.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 3 жыл бұрын
@@avenger4027 9mm is indeed longer than anyone's fist, but there's reason why e.g. British Army, USMC try to maintain bayonett training, hand to hand combat and obstacle courses in basic trianing. It is VERY unlikely to be used in real combat ( though Iraqis and Argentinians might disagree on subject ... ) but it is used in a way proper military krav-maga is describe: to build up confidence, controlled agressio and break inhibitng factors that may threaten survival. Most martial art sports work the other way round.
@joed2431
@joed2431 3 жыл бұрын
Guys.... I just love martial arts SO much. From when I first started boxing after I finished high school to know where I am currently learning Taekwondo. This video just gives me even MORE pride into the arts that I have learned.
@DemonHunterX
@DemonHunterX 7 ай бұрын
I practiced Kyokushin karate and now I'm into boxing. Kyokushin was an incredible experience; I loved the intense training, the environment, and the people. I was improving steadily, but the only issue I had was with kata and other traditional aspects that we practiced most weeks. While it was amazing, I craved actual fighting. I wanted to spar, not necessarily every day, but at least once or twice a week. Unfortunately, my karate gym lacked regular sparring opportunities; we only did light sparring once every 2 to 3 weeks. If I had started earlier, perhaps at 18, I might have stuck with karate. But being 23 now and juggling two jobs, I couldn't afford to waste time. I recently took up boxing, and it's pure chaos - and I love it. Training with Olympic-level coaches has given me a broader perspective on this sport. They truly understand the sweet science of boxing. We're taking it one step at a time, with a strong emphasis on regular light sparring a few times a week. When comparing karate and boxing, in close combat situations, boxing is definitely more effective. However, if a karate practitioner has experience, can handle pressure, and incorporates movement and kicks, I would lean towards Kyokushin. Kyokushin practitioners are incredibly tough, although they lack emphasis on head punches.
@ChadMcWonderful
@ChadMcWonderful 2 жыл бұрын
I really like you! You're the dude! I needed u as my Shotokan sensei 30 + years ago!
@rafaeloliveira2740
@rafaeloliveira2740 3 жыл бұрын
Really nice info. I was into Karate a few years back. Started to train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu this year. Looking foward to evolve both skills.
@yoavtheguy2198
@yoavtheguy2198 3 жыл бұрын
"When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail." This might just be the smartest thing I've heard in a long time. You're a mini Mister Miyagi, Jesse😁
@KARATEbyJesse
@KARATEbyJesse 3 жыл бұрын
Just a simple Karate Nerd 🥋 Thanks for your kind words! 🙏
@quabledistocficklepo3597
@quabledistocficklepo3597 3 жыл бұрын
Kyle Broflovski If you've never heard that before, you are truly an ignorant man. Have you been living on a desert island?
@anhtran6113
@anhtran6113 3 жыл бұрын
@@quabledistocficklepo3597 based on Broflovski name, he is likely a non-English-speaker, so it makes sense that he didn't know some common idioms. No need to be harsh on him.
@yvngmidoryia6762
@yvngmidoryia6762 3 жыл бұрын
Quabledistocficklepo bruh it was a complement so relax your self
@bobbybush1750
@bobbybush1750 3 жыл бұрын
@@anhtran6113 No, you also live under a rock. Kyle broflovski is a South Park character.
@ricardomacias9035
@ricardomacias9035 Жыл бұрын
Thank you My father was a boxer and a karate fighter in the ring in his youth in the 60's It always stuck in my mind how he could use two parts and make it one for any situation.
@chamcheleon6425
@chamcheleon6425 2 жыл бұрын
Ur vids are so motivational xd
@iamseamusw
@iamseamusw 2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos, Sensei. Studying traditional shotokan under a fabulous artist for self defence reasons. Blown away by the access to power this style gives you. Had a background in Judo and Wing Chun but Shotokan is now my passion (:
@rishidev8722
@rishidev8722 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for always enlightening us Jesse San🙏 The amount of work and effort you put in studying, researching, teaching and sharing this wisdom with the world is second to none. Thank you once again🙏
@montessorimatt6289
@montessorimatt6289 Жыл бұрын
I love the information you provided. And the ideas you present. All a lot to think about. But I think there is a much more modern reason why Karate lost to boxing. And it happened more in the 80s and 90s from what I can see. One huge reason we cannot deny is Mike Tyson. I was a wrestler and martial artist. But even if I were the best at both of those, Mike Tyson was such a powerhouse and phenomenon in boxing that I still don’t think I could take him. I don’t think many could to this day. And he was riding on the wings of Mohammed Ali, who really changed a lot about boxing strategy. I think martial arts really lost out to a strictly point system of karate in many tournaments. There is a certain skill to it, but it is limited in actual application. A light and quick kick to the stomach won’t do anything in a real fight. These boxers were really getting hammered with almost every punch. There were also so many McDojos around beginning in the 80s. Dojos just working to let you get your black belt in under a year. Boxing doesn’t have belts. They have a ring to prove your skills. Overall, I don’t think either way is better. The best way is to see what you need to work on to improve and work on it. A great karate person should really work with a great boxing coach. I think boxers should get into martial arts. If you only learned punches and kicks in martial arts, learn the wrestling. Because the more you learn about how different styles work, the better you are to defend against it. But as far as a sport and entertainment, I would take boxing over the normal “3 point is the winner” tournament style we often see.
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