I agree

They'd still lose probably 7-2 and you could see Neymar & Thiago crying on the field

Neymar would have been booked a red card after 2 simulations. Back then football wasn't a comedy or Hollywood drama diving. Which Germany proved. Neymar wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes on the field with his attitude.

Nah, they would have gotten spanked anyways. Just not 7-1. Maybe 5-2 or something. Neymar had no real defensive attributes and did nothing in 2014 that would suggest he could neutralize a counter, which was the German's preferred way to score goals. If they were able to mostly lock Messi down in the final, Neymar was not going to fare much better.

(As Brazilian Fan) we’ll never know, but say even if we had the best starting x11 and made the best subs. We prob still would lose by 2 goals, because Germany 🇩🇪is the greatest ever nation to create chances to score. Even still Brazil 🇧🇷 could make a miraculous effort and win it. But whatever happened has happened

At the time, Kroos was still a teammate. He transferred to Real Madrid after the World Cup ended.

Very true. The attack was so subpar without Neymar

It wouldn't have made a major difference. That's the thing because if you only rely on 1 superstar, you will still not be able to win championships. Look at PSG - this team is like a cheat code but who won the CL - not them!

I think the score would be much different if neymar didnt get injured but sadly he did:(

In my opinion that Brazil got really lucky with brackets. Theywere not semi finals worthy. Still withNeymarand Silva they probablylose to germany by 4:2.

Attributing the defeat solely to the absence of the Brazilians' two top stars is a bit one-sided. Of course, any sensible person will assume that the German team's victory would at least have been less high. But: If you look at the very first goal - a corner kick - it is a simple positioning error: two German players cross paths and David Luis loses Müller's guard. This goal would have been scored regardless of whether the two stars had been there. The other goals can (also) be attributed to mistakes made by individuals (especially Fernandinho and Luis). So it's not just a collateral failure of the team. And Neymar would probably have managed just as much on offense as Messi did in the final - namely nothing (due to strong guarding by 2 German defenders, even though he didn't play centrally). How many shots did Messi take on the German goal in the final? Extremely few. The absence of two players hardly excuses anything: A coach has to ensure that the team performs well even if important players are missing. That's what training is for and friendly games are for. A World Cup is not just a series of games but, from the coach's point of view, a "marathon" during which a lot can happen. It is the coach's job to train the team so that as many line-up variations as possible lead to good team performance. If a coach relies on a few lineups or even a few individual players for the team's success, their absence will produce a correspondingly negative result. It is obvious that the German team had a healthy mix of older (experienced) and younger players, but Brazil did not. In addition: a player who already has a yellow card also has the responsibility to ensure that he is not missing in the next game. the yellow card that led to da Silva's suspension arose from a situation of no necessity. If he had prevented a goal with the foul, that would be understandable, but it was a cheap, unnecessary attack on a goalkeeper. And as for Neymar specifically, his goals in the tournament could even more atributed to goalkeepers who aren't world class. Manuel Neuer would have kept some of them. For example, the video also shows Neymar's extremely bad penalty, which only ends up in the goal with luck.

Neymar is hands down the most overrated footballer and biggest fraud in football history. So much wasted talent by low IQ character and antics.

Same neymar that couldn’t stop Belgium and Croatia(no where near that german team) with far superior brazil.

They woudn't have been humiliated the way they were. Neymar was a class.

@@mohammedtijjanigaro5561 Teamwork > individual talent

​@@mohammedtijjanigaro5561Neymar is cool but he's no messi or ronaldo and both got thrashed 4-0 by this germany. Argentina in 2010, Portugal in 2014.

Great analysis. I also saw many problems coming but somehow seeing how they always found a way I felt it would be the same like 2002.

Exactly, properly summed up what I was also assuming

Thank you for providing your perspective! You're very mature about it, which is not easy at all. I don't want to examine painful moments in my country's sports history but you are providing inspiration for me to face them. It's probably difficult for the rest of the world to understand how much not winning the World Cup means to Brazilians. I'm trying to think of an equivalent in another sport. It used to be the Americans who totally dominated in basketball and baseball, but it's still not the same because not that many other countries are deeply emotionally invested in these sports. It seems like an unrealistic expectation for Brazil to win the Cup every time. The next most successful countries are Germany and Italy, but I don't think that they or their fans assume they will win every time. There's a channel called "HITC Sevens" which just made a video on the Brazilian national team, and the challenges it faces. There are a lot of factors that are completely outside the control of Brazilian players and coaches such as the very high salaries players can earn in the Premier League, resulting in fewer Brazilian national team members playing their club football in Brazil. Right now, the economics don't favour Brazil, but that does not mean things cannot change in the future. A few months ago, the same channel made a video on Germany's national team, which has a title like "the shocking downfall". 🫠

Exactly, I remember that up to that point Brazil was playing horrendously and didn’t deserve to get to semis

Very true, the expectations were far too high especially considering that this squad was simply not that good.

@@thefootballbloc Your analysis gave an excellent insight. Very well analysed.

@Hanno franz. I agree with much you've said. The team underwent stretches of psychological torture thru out the tournament...How on earth is a squad hosting a monumental event such as the WC supposed to be mentally sound and serene while in training, hordes of locals brandished posters condemning their country's hosting rights and even verbally harassing the squad... Yes it's true. This is an event rarely mentioned (surprisingly) by the Press. And this happened thru out the tournament. I wouldn't even mention the expectations from the Press and public....The team had shown signs of cracking up from their second outing against Mexico who virtually over ran the midfield, which surely contributed in sapping the team's moral and dampening the little confidence that remained...And then, there's the knockout match against Chile which perhaps exposed Brazil 's febrility more than any other. Thiago Silva's near nervous breakdown was so livid and was a perfect embodiment of the team's state of mind, I felt sorry for him...And how many people remember he declined taken penalties after regular time, seeking refuge at the central spot?...The team just wasn't good enough...

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Yes, my grandson is a very good soccer player and his team usually wins but I kinda like it when they lose. That's life!

I'm sorry but this aged poorly. Specially today lol

@@punkguyispunk especially since hes from croatia

This aged like milk.

I disagree. Brazil had a tough route to the final. Their group was definitely not easy as each team had talented squads. Cameroon ended up flopping but Mexico was consistent as usual and Croatia was unlucky to get eliminated that early. Then Chile and Colombia were extremely strong opponents, especially since this World Cup was in South America. Brazil’s toughest game was against Colombia and credit to Brazil, they actually played up to their potential in that match.

@@thefootballbloc tough? Brazil certainly made it look tough even though it was the easiest route to the Semi of any of the 4 sides, even Argentina had to play a second rank European side. Germany had a group with 2 other sides in it ranked higher than any team in Brazil’s group. France had to play Spain in the group stages. Italy and England were in the same group. But you are trying to claim a group of 3 teams who don’t book hotels for week 3 and Brazil was “challenging”. You are quite right Croatia were unlucky to go out that early which shows just how easy that group was. Chile and Columbia were what they always were teams who ought to have gone out by the end of the second round at best. The problem was always that to get an Argentina vs Brazil final both had to play good European sides in the semifinals. Argentina were good enough that their 12th man could prevent humiliation Brazil weren’t. They went on to lose 3-0 to the Netherlands. On a properly seeded even draw Brazil would have gone out in the round of 16.

@@davidwright7193 stop talking shit dude. Germany had difficulty with Algeria. there are no easy selections. you don't know anything about football. even more to say that about Colombia, which has already defeated several giants.

@@davidwright7193 WTF are you saying. You are talking about Modric, Brozovic, Perisic, Mandzukic and Rakitic's Croatia. Their old version just knocked out Brazil. If that World Cup had no surprises, Brazil would have faced one of 2010's finalists in the second round, then a relevant World Champion. The reason we had Chile was because they beat no other than current champions Spain. And then Colombia got there by facing the best among the 3 Champions.

@@leandroteixeira33 What do you expect from a guy who says a lottery of the matches were "designed"

I agree with you until you said Dunga should've stayed. Dunga's Brazil was extremely subpar and they struggled in CONMEBOL Qualifying, they were eliminated by Paraguay at the 2015 Copa America Quarterfinals and in the group stage of the 2016 Copa Centenario. His squad selections were very questionable as well.

Dunga was way worse. He didn't include Ronaldinho in the 2010 squad, what makes you think he would take Ronaldinho to the 2014 WC. Pato, Adriano, Ronaldinho, Neymar no one was selected. Even though Neymar was playing good at that time , pele and Romario urged to take him he didn't. 14000 people signed a petition to include Neymar in the WC squad, he said Neymar was not tested enough for World Cup. But Grafite was in the squad who played his first match under dunga in March, 2010. His achievement was he scored 28 goals for Wolfsburg in the 2008-2009 Bundesliga. He has only 4 caps for Brazil. I guess when it comes to left back position Marcelo, Filipe Luis, Maxwell these names comes to mind.....but do you know who was in the starting xi at LB ....Michel Bastos. He was not even a defender , he was a left winger. He played his first match under dunga in October 2009. He only has 10 caps for Brazil. Both Grafite and Michel Bastos never played for Brazil again. Imo biggest mistake of scolari was ignoring Diego costs. If you can start for Spain at the WC ahead of David villa and Torres, then I think you are good enough to start for Brazil. The opposite can't be said about Fred. I think Fred and Jo won't even make the Spain Squad. 2010 was the worst squad in the last 20 years.

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Yes, I agree. It was a rather idiotic foul from Silva. He should've known better, especially as the team captain.

Dirty defense? It was literally assault. That criminal belongs in prison.

That's a great idea! That was one of the most puzzling matches in Copa America history, Mexico went into the match in flying form meanwhile Chile were playing subpar despite being reigning champions. And yet, Chile win 7-0.

@@thefootballbloc Yes exactly, and I don’t that anyone predicted that loss…

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Very true. Terrible planning from the Brazilian FA

@@thefootballbloc there were other reasons for it, not only bad planning. Back in 2012, right before the switch of managers, the brazilian FA president was arrested on corruption charges. The former coach wasn't an unanimity, so they let him go to hire a more popular option, who in the minds of those who only watch the World Cups, was a memory of success.

@@vortona True. This might be a hot take, but I don't think Felipao is that good of a coach. Even in 2002 (which was kind of an overrated team in my opinion), he only won because of insane individual performances from Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho etc. Often times the overall team didn't play well and also he nearly bottled qualification not to mention Felipao was the coach when Honduras eliminated Brazil at the previous Copa America.

@@thefootballbloc you are completely right. He had some good insights like taking Juninho out of the team and replacing him with Kleberson, but Brazil caught a very easy path, on that Cup, aside from England. Insane reffereeing took out Spain and Italy, besides also helping us against Belgium. But you know what they say, I guess luck is also a quality.

@@vortona True, it was not Brazil's fault that strange refereeing decisions knocked out Italy and Spain or that France and Argentina flopped in the group stage. You simply have to play who's in front of you and Brazil found a way to win. I will say though in the final, Brazil played really well against Germany.

True. Underrated World Cup classic

Thank you very much my friend

No Philip lahm, no kruse and many other great players

No Hansi flick he was the assistant coach and main reason behind Germany winning the wc he left and their chemistry was over low didn't have good relationship with players he benched players like Muller

The 2018 match was 2-0, not that much humiliation I would say. Not 7-1. Sometimes even the underdog can take out a major team. But the Brazilian match was definitely a total humiliation, especially since Brazil was the host. However most of us around the world was excited to see Brazil lose in FATALITY manner since they were so cocky.

The team just didn't have the chemistry anymore players like Schweinsteiger Klose and Lahm where gone. Adding onto that where Löws tactics he played a very slow game which didn't work out well in 2018 for some reason. Perhaps the biggest reason was what happened of the pitch players did more sponsor meetings and press appearances than training mainly because of the shattered image that the team had before. Context: Özil and Gündogan made photos with Erdogan (Turkish President) shortly before the tournament that enraged many fans and even politicians in Germany talked about it because Erdogan is seen as a very controversial person in Germany. Many fans said that the two should be dropped from the team. The media/press team wanted more positive headlines and made the players do media stuff in training time. Overall all these reasons together made Germany fall in 2018.

@@sanjivanipatil7349 The winning of the WC 2014 was mainly because of the work of Jürgen Klinsmann and Hansi Flick, not because of Löw. You are right about that. Löw brought more turks into the team and devided the team and destroyed their german spirit with his strategy. Thats why sadly the 2018 bad performance can be explained.

From a defensive point of view, of course Neymar is not as crucial as Silva. But he definitely was from a psychological and morale standpoint

Let's not forget that they conceded from a lot of counters which would have tipped the scoreline to the opposite direction had their attack succeeded if Neymar had been there

Kaka and Ronaldinho being left out in retrospect is kinda wild, also coach Dunga leaving Ronaldinho out of the 2010 Squad was also pretty bad.

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@@challenger6283 No prob man

That is almost scary to think about.

I suppose at some point it would’ve caused a riot so it’s a safety issue

Or maybe Brazil managed to close the loophole in their defense?

Weren't the Germans told to play seriously in the 2nd half despite being 5-0 up by the end of the 1st half? But for some reason the media twisted it into, let's not go all out on the 2nd half to not humiliate the host even further.

@@richhornie7000 I doubt that’s the case. Germany was untouchable. They could’ve increased the lead

Thank you

True, there was a lot of confusion and terrible planning from the Brazilian defense.

As harsh as it may sound, this was definitely Brazil’s worst ever World Cup team.

That "inept" coach won the World Cup in 2002 and the only manager to go 8-0 in a world cup campaign.

I agree 100%!

They won confederation cup with same team

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I agree about Kaka and Ronaldinho but Lucio was far too old by 2014 meanwhile Alisson and Ederson were still youth players at that point.

​@@thefootballbloc to be fair ederson was 21 in 2014 and he was already playing in europe and was out of the youth carrer clubs, but you could say both alisson and ederson were gifted young players like Marquinhos, and ederson is older than Marquinhos so he could have been called up, and in his 2014 season he wasnt conceding shots that much compared to julio ceser.

@@TommyRivera724 This is true, but while Ederson was in Europe at the time, he wasn't at any level of real prominence. He was at Rio Ave who finished 11th in the 2013/14 season for example. It wasn't really until late 2015 when he broke out and was signed by Benfica (where ironically, he was competing with Julio Cesar for the number 1 spot).

Dani alves too didn't play Silva nad neymars replacements didn't do much

If you look at their goals you can see Cesar was not at fault in any of them. It was just poor defense, Julio was class and deserved to be Brazil's goalkeeper. It was basically 3 world class attackers vs 1 goalkeeper what do you want him to do

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The reason was Thiago Silva not playing, he was the man who held their defense together.

True

But Germany didn't won 5, it would be a revenge if this was the 5th wc

I don't think it was revenge, revenge would have been with the same team in the coming up world cup. this was a standalone humiliation.

The German Youth Programs in the early 2000s were unmatched

Overlooking Coutinho was a huge mistake on Scholari's part

The absence of Neymar and Thiago Silva along with the consequences was an issue within itself but it also metaphorically represents the larger issue which is that Brazil simply did not have a good enough squad in 2014.

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Concordo! A experiência de Ronaldinho poderia ter ajudado muito, mesmo que ele fosse velho e estivesse no auge. (desculpe pelo meu mau português)

@@thefootballbloc Nah bro your portuguese was good, thanks for going out of your way to answering him in a different language when imo he should have texted in english to you in the first place

E Kaka tambem.

How come ronaldinho wasnt in the team? And what about kaka? Robinho?

@@saiyanbrother5659 Well, Felipao really wanted to maintain the team that won the 2013 Confederations Cup all three players weren't part of that squad. Obviously, Kaka's career took a steep decline at Real Madrid due to injury and those injuries continued even as he went back to AC Milan in the season leading up to the World Cup. Although, he was in decent form. Robinho was in and out of the Brazil squad in the years leading up to the World Cup and he wasn't in the best form for Santos. Ronaldinho's exclusion is entirely on Felipao. Yes, he wasn't the same player as he was 10 years prior, but he was fresh off winning the Copa Libertadores with Atletico Mineiro in 2013 and was in good form. I don't think Felipao should've called up all three of these players, but he should've called up at least one of them (particularly Ronaldinho), especially since this squad severely lacked World Cup experience.

true, lets see if the curse holds and france goes out in the group phase next year

not Mexico, they were 1st in 2002 Group Stage

@@migueljmurillov But then they lost to the USA in the Round of 16

Just look at the penalties Argentina scored after extra time in wc 2022, they would have never won if Buffon was their opponents' goalkeeper!

I agree 100%

Very true. Brazil benefitted from good luck and the home advantage along the way. That being said, their performance against Colombia in the Quarterfinals was legitimately a good performance.

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Very true! Haha

Germany played amazing this World Cup, there's no doubt about that. But even still, for Brazil of all teams, to lose 7-1 on home soil? There's much more to the story than simply Germany being strong

Very true, I would say that while Brazil had a talented team like always, it wasn't comparable to say 2002 or 2006. But they had the same expectations as those teams.

@@thefootballbloc I agree with you. One thing to note as well. I don't think it's just Brazil with the problem of relying do heavily on their key players like Neymar and Thiago. You can call it world cup curse, but if you look at Germany, they have some of the most talented players like Kroos, Muller, Reus, Ozil, etc. In 2018/2022. The moment their key leaders left like Lahm, Klose, and Schweinsteiger, their whole team fell apart and lost to nations that are considered fodder by top national teams.

Perhaps another problem apart from those mentioned would be that Germany was suspicious of referees going against them and trued to make the most out of their chances while Brazil were hoping for a tight game where maybe they could get a little help. Also every small mistake by Brazil seemed to cause a goal and German players were just blessed that day when almost everything went their way.

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In hindsight at least, Germany winning is not really a surprise, they were clearly a better team. However, Germany simply being better does not explain how Brazil, statistically the best team of all time, got utterly demolished, conceding 7 goals, on home soil. The gravity of such a defeat cannot be explained solely by looking at how good Germany was, this was more so due to failure on the part of Brazil.

It is more than just the loss. Germany beating Brazil isn't necessarily a shock considering how good Germany is, especially in 2014. However, what was shocking was the 7-1 scoreline. Under no circumstances should Brazil be losing 7-1 to anyone, let alone at home, in a World Cup semifinal. Yes, Germany were great and were the better team, that is why they won. But that alone is not why Brazil conceded 7 goals.

Nonsense simplistic idea 💡 Korea 🇰🇷 has nothing but still defeated Germany 🇩🇪