Why can’t Bayern Munich find a manager?

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Bayern Munich announced back in February that this season would be Thomas Tuchel’s last as their manager. Fast forward three months and Bayern are yet to find a replacement.
Xabi Alonso, Julian Nagelsmann, Unai Emery and now Ralf Rangnick have opted to stay at their current jobs rather than join the German club. The question is why are Bayern struggling to fill their managerial vacancy.
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's Seb Staffored-Bloor & ex-Bundesliga striker Jan Aage Fjortofb to discuss who Bayern could possibly turn to next and how soon they can make it a reality.
00:00 Intro
00:21 The managerial search
02:56 Who could take the job?
05:52 Bayern Munich’s rebuild
11:36 Bayern Munich’s performance during the season
13:07 Could there be a Tuchel stay at Bayern?
16:28 Is there a shortage of top managers?
24:27 UCL semi-final
27:55 Outro
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@SkullSnax 21 күн бұрын

I think we’re caught between two eras of football. There’s the past, where managers were the focal point and everything that happened at the club was the managers responsibility. Their signings, their tactics, their man management, their coaching, their management of player fitness, morale. If the club didn’t perform, it was their fault. If they won anything, it was their success. And then there’s modern football, where we know that coaches exist, and recruitment departments and negotiation departments and medical teams and onboarding HR and everything is broken down. The manager doesn’t run that, the sporting director and the CEO and the owners run that. But the media still acts like it’s the old days. If a club is doing poorly, regardless of what our eyes tell us, about how poor recruitment is, or players not keeping fit, or players not training well, or signings not landing, or negotiations taking too long, badly planned pre-seasons, bad player culture. They always go after the manager, or they go after a specific player, like everything will be fixed by replacing that cog. And we know now, when you see Arteta at Arsenal, or Alonso at Leverkusen. This idea of big clubs needing to hire managers with big name value, it’s not true. And the whole project doesn’t fail because of the manager.

@Theredbastard2023 21 күн бұрын

Best most reasonable post I’ve seen on a football article in years. Bravo

@lucqq3792 21 күн бұрын

wow

@user-bp1be1yg2h 20 күн бұрын

Well said, great post. Modern football is a machine and all the cogs need to be well-oiled for consistent success.

@PazLeBon 17 күн бұрын

most media doesnt paint it lke that nowadays, they aint all dinosaurs and cant blanket the lot

@pritapp788 17 күн бұрын

Bayern have been unmanageable ever since key players - Muller in particular, but also the other veterans such as Neuer - threw the towel to ensure Ancelotti got sacked 3 months into the season because they wanted him to train them like Guardiola. The same Ancelotti who is now kicking their butts. Way too much player power there. Also winning 11 domestic titles in a row has distorted expectations and any manager will be judged against that. To put things into perspective: imagine if Heynckes had been sacked in 2012 after losing 2 finals and finishing 2nd in the league? There would have been no treble in 2013.

@shadow_realm47 17 күн бұрын

You can see the crack in the Munich dressing room post Lahm cus Alaba, Lewa unceremoniously left despite performing well and Alaba was supposed to be "the next" captain. Muller and Neuer hold too much power and wield it in a petty manner. When Lahm was captain he let Bastian Neuer and Muller have a voice.

@anuragmukherjee8288 15 күн бұрын

U idiots are really clueless, no player epitomizes Bayern more than Thomas Muller and you clowns are accusing him of ruining him. THOMAS MULLER IS BAYERN MUNICH

@jogendrajoshi7327 6 күн бұрын

@@shadow_realm47To be very honest, Bayern needs Lahm to come back as manager after he is done with the entire management of Euro 2024

@ramshacklealex7772 15 күн бұрын

Wow, they hustled Jan off *quick* when brought up dressing room spies.

@gadget00 7 күн бұрын

It's funny to hear all this, knowing now that Bayern are looking to hire Vincent Kompany and Barcelona are trying to get Hans Flick. What a plot twist

@ravanpee1325 19 күн бұрын

Of course Karl-Heinz Rummenige has an offical role as member of the board of the Bayern München AG - which is not the club but the company of the mens football team, where the club owns 70% of the shares

@dwmkryft 21 күн бұрын

The ego of the bosses is so palpable it's gross. I can imagine they're stinking up the place with that attitude. They've forgotten that it is the people who make the institution.

@armagansabetian5269 21 күн бұрын

Love Jan's punditry. Him and Nedum Vs the rest of the fake incredulous hyperbole ESPN FC plebs

@nabeel426 21 күн бұрын

If I were Bayern I’d try to convince Matthias Jaissle. Everyone forgot about him once he left to Saudi Arabia but I think he’s a good coach despite him only having two years of experience. Sampaoli, Van Nistelrooy, & Urs Fischer are the only ones I can think of that are relatively good managers that could work maybe? Either way Freund and Eberl lost respect when they were thinking of getting Ten Hag

@MoRZ47 20 күн бұрын

Not even more Red Bull please 😂

@nabeel426 20 күн бұрын

@@MoRZ47 yeah I know but there aren’t many top managers like there where in the 90’s and early 2000’s

@El_GenericoIV 21 күн бұрын

Nothing better then seeing a new athletic pod in the feed 🎉

@khanyamosetlhi2530 3 күн бұрын

Watching this after Kompany’s appointment is funny

@charlieleung2776 21 күн бұрын

Great insight, thanks

@OttarVilbergBaldursson 21 күн бұрын

What a fantastic host. Props to Ayo

@nickfury8973 21 күн бұрын

Why did they fire nagelsmann?

@stefankatsarov5806 21 күн бұрын

Jose Maurino is there lurking.

@konzza 21 күн бұрын

Love it! 2 dinosaurs with main character syndrome and loose grasp of reality, clashing heads in Hoeness and Mourinho would be great entertainment.

@pennywise1682 19 күн бұрын

@@konzza😂

@pritapp788 17 күн бұрын

@@konzza Yep, and throw in the egos of Neuer and Muller who are are nostalgic for the training methods of Guardiola and you've got a fantastic soap op recipe.

@dpdoescode 20 күн бұрын

Mourinho still a free agent? Could be good for bayern if no one else available

@CollinMiller-sq6tx 16 күн бұрын

Bayern have sacked so many managers after less than 2 seasons, I feel like part of the problem is that now good managers see this and don’t want to go to Bayern where they will likely be sacked within 12 months regardless of success.

@chubbygreyhound1198 21 күн бұрын

Because they know trophies are an impossibility with Harold in the team.

@philipsjr.3849 14 күн бұрын

7 days later and Tuchel is being begged to stay by Bayern because no-one else wants to sign for them

@toomuchinformation 12 күн бұрын

Agrees on principle, then rejects them on their terms of agreement.

@aymen6092 20 күн бұрын

Guardiola and Ancelotti are former players

@patmooney9024 21 күн бұрын

Why do all the top teams never go for Bielsa😂😂.Strange how everyone always praises him as been so brilliant but no one wants him. Could it be that he is not really a top manager 😂😂

@A-se2ur 21 күн бұрын

Standard of bucket isn’t good enough for him at the European elite 🪣

@mustardegg2 21 күн бұрын

He is too sexy and players get jealous.

@1607Adi_Manz 21 күн бұрын

his attacking football leave defend vulnerable

@fernandomustachioso9737 21 күн бұрын

Difficult to control. Has his own principles he's very hard to get to budge from. Unpredictable. These days he's also old. Many of those things are undesirable for the top clubs.

@Iksvomid 21 күн бұрын

He's too good for any top team. He's like the Sun, great to praise and like, just from far away.

@marimatsumoto372 21 күн бұрын

I think that one of the reason is the owner wants a “quick change “ The coaches could not have a enough time to build for his team. It took Klopp at least 4 or 5 yeas to be successful at Liverpool.

@PazLeBon 17 күн бұрын

what? Klopp cam in end of 2015 He led them to UEFA Europa League final in 2015/16 and the UEFA Champions League final in 2017/18,

@vishal7arora 19 күн бұрын

Ayo not laughing off Ragnick and recognizing his positive job at Austria NT shows how good he is as a host. It would have been easy for him to just go on and ignore what he did after the United debacle to give some hyperbolic rhetoric but he instead tried to make a sense out of the Bayern approach.

@anjolatope-babalola2338 21 күн бұрын

There has always been an abundance of ex players who coach

@waynekeebler6755 20 күн бұрын

Because Bayern as currently constituted is a freaking mess. They need to rid themselves of at least 10 current players and they need to start to rebuild that porous defense. Given some of the statements from top management about keeping the team together, I would like for a 4th or 5th place in next year’s Bundesliga.

@BadselS 21 күн бұрын

Because Harry Kane is there 😂

@pedropierre9594 17 күн бұрын

Because the let a manager go thinking he was the problem when in reality the players had a dip in performance as a whole even with a new manager

@maximilianklein2062 12 күн бұрын

It's hilarious. One of the richest clubs in the world wants something money apparently can't buy

@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 21 күн бұрын

Because they are like Chelsea and sack managers way too often. I think they will try to get Klopp after his break in a year or two but I think he's too wise to what goes on there.

@PazLeBon 17 күн бұрын

not a chance

@shadow_realm47 17 күн бұрын

Klopp wont do that to Dortmund, their entire reason for living is to "one day" take Bayern down.

@Joekd6.1 21 күн бұрын

Go for Amorim.

@karagounis9469 18 күн бұрын

I'll save you 30 min. It's Uli Hoeneß

@Ruscococo1 21 күн бұрын

Players not wanting to renew and poor transfers in recent times, Bayern could fall off if Leipzig, Dortmund and Leverkusen even Stuggart keep goinh upwards in their trajectories. Also, apart from Pavlovic where are the young players in the squad? Musiala wants to not renew and then all the politics going on. Yes on paper its a good job but in practice you can see why people don't want it.

@shoganoneko 20 күн бұрын

I agree with everything you said except that Bayern fall off. Munich is a powerhouse, there is not a chance that BVB, Leverkusen and Stuttgart will rise ENOUGH to reach and overthrown Bayern from the top of Bundesliga. For them it's always a "one off" season, like this one for example with absolutely phenomenal Leverkusen team. But in a long run? Heads of top management will roll, complete reshuffle of the board, any kind of cataclysm but no way that Bayern will give breather big enough for competitors to catch up

@abhinavabs7821 19 күн бұрын

Musiala hasn't said anything like that , don't make up bullshit

@pritapp788 17 күн бұрын

Mate, this is Germany. Teams like Leverkusen and Dortmund peak for 2-3 years max and then disappear. The likes of Werder and Stuttgart even managed to get relegated after winning the league and being CL regulars throughout the 2000s. That is if they can avoid having their players plucked by Bayern.

@Crazecollector 20 күн бұрын

They want Ten Hag. But Ten Hag stays at United

@SkatePvP10 21 күн бұрын

Go again with tuchel

@Kyleterp1 19 күн бұрын

Their search is going worse than Tottenham’s 2021 managerial search

@ThomT94 17 күн бұрын

Disappointed nobody asked Seb how his gates are

@Cruyff1899 21 күн бұрын

Because of the club culture. The heads of Bayern Munich have a lot of control and are over opinionated. Pep will not train Bayern again because of that.

@jogendrajoshi7327 6 күн бұрын

Hurts to read this

@wafflaaar1067 19 күн бұрын

bayern hotspur are down bad

@_7.8.6 21 күн бұрын

Another trophy-less season for Kane

@ulfricstormcloak4230 21 күн бұрын

Another insightful and ground breaking comment regarding Kane's career.

@_7.8.6 21 күн бұрын

@@ulfricstormcloak4230 imagine being sensitive about a person who doesn’t even know you exist

@RichMitch 21 күн бұрын

Because no-one wants to be tainted by the Curse of Kane

@bleb87 21 күн бұрын

Wait... they haven't had a manager?

@t1t1ll0m7 21 күн бұрын

Alonso will coach his Real Madrid in 2 years time, when Carletto gets retired. Keep this txt.

@lukasnummer1 21 күн бұрын

Ancelotti said he would prefer to stay at least until 2028. Why would he get retired in case he keeps winning the Champions League?

@y69intro 9 күн бұрын

These guests need to get better microphones

@rexcolt9742 20 күн бұрын

*I blame the roster.* Players did conspire against Nagelsmann. Tuchel came and saw the cesspool the roster is, so he decided to leave as soon as possible. The team needs to be purged so they can get a new coach. Nobody will take the team as it is now.

@pennywise1682 19 күн бұрын

He decided to leave? Nah, far from reality. But i do agree that the roster needs a hard hand

@rexcolt9742 19 күн бұрын

@@pennywise1682 Tuchel did complain about the poor compromise from the roster as soon as they started to lose again. He said he was leaving at the end of the season no matter what

@pritapp788 17 күн бұрын

You are correct. This isn't something novel at Bayern, it's been going on at least since Guardiola's departure 8 years ago. Players conspiring actively to undermine the manager for reasons as ridiculous as "training sessions are not hard enough" (which is what Muller said during Ancelotti's time - the same Muller who is now unable to play 10 minutes against Real Madrid without being gassed while Ancelotti's methods are working just fine). There is too much player power, particularly the core of Neuer-Muller calling the shots and deciding what manager is worthy of staying.

@toomuchinformation 12 күн бұрын

@@rexcolt9742No they told him he was going. They actually asked him to stay recently and he agreed in principle. Then he saw their terms of agreement and changed his mind. It's a real s--t show.

@rexcolt9742 12 күн бұрын

@@toomuchinformation Yes. Both Müller and Neuer, the leaders of the group, gave in and asked Tuchel to stay. Tuchel is not an id**t. He is still leaving.

@homebrewgraphics2384 21 күн бұрын

SEBB🙌

@muhammadmurtaza6630 21 күн бұрын

SEB!!!!

@jackh3071 21 күн бұрын

Philipp Lahm would be perfect for Bayern

@konzza 21 күн бұрын

Perfect how? What is his style of play and preferred formation as manager? Has he even tried coaching at any level?

@jackh3071 21 күн бұрын

@@konzza he’s a Bayern legend he’ll get the respect from the players and the board and he’s played under some of the best managers of all time

@nickfury8973 21 күн бұрын

He is a sporting director at Stuttgart He might not be into coaching but more into team building

@pennywise1682 19 күн бұрын

@@nickfury8973no he isnt, he is more of an advisor. He is the technical survisor of the Euros

@gadget00 7 күн бұрын

Bayern Munich is one of those clubs that its run like a political party; that's always a problem during hard times because of all the mini-wars factions fight inside the club, and nothing gets really done until a faction finally "takes over" or some external guy comes to the club and starts amassing power to "really" get things working like an owner That model of "paying associates" and "committees" and "elections" is total garbage in the long run

@pahakuutti 21 күн бұрын

Bayern have some great kids coming through the ranks. The new manager must be capable and willing to play them. That's the only way they can be moulded into generational talents, and Tuchel clearly was a short term success manager only.

@nickfury8973 21 күн бұрын

Generational talents are not molded. They are born

@JA-Q28 5 күн бұрын

Sounded like a bad reporting to me but with each passing day this news is becoming a nightmare for me . Beckenbauer must be turning in his grave 🥹.

@jimbojimbo6873 21 күн бұрын

I think popularity of the league is really underestimated. Especially when WestHam can offer more money than Bayern

@razr8296 21 күн бұрын

epl league lost a lot of attractions seen the quality of some games excl maybe city, arsenal.

@PhantomOfManyTopics 19 күн бұрын

Frank Lampard

@dlaldlaldlanutsntnstn1418 6 күн бұрын

Trust a spurs fan to also be a Bayern fan. Need to get those trophies from somewhere I suppose, except when spurs players play for them. What a shameless loser.

@davidaguilar8840 21 күн бұрын

Idk how to say it but some of the songs almost do a good job experimenting but this album still feels simple. Also if you consider her pre release the album is much shorter. I feel like if she do what Taylor does and just make sure each album has a ton of songs so she has variation.

@mwenenihamutenya1468 21 күн бұрын

Where is the generation of you're P. Lahm, Bastian Schweinsteigers Did any of them take up coaching

@MrSchwabentier 21 күн бұрын

Lahm is the operating director of the Euro 2024. So he went into business/sports management. If anything he might be CEO of Bayern Munich one day. Schweinsteiger went into commentating/punditry

@nickfury8973 21 күн бұрын

Lahm is a director at Stuttgart

@MrSchwabentier 21 күн бұрын

@@nickfury8973advisor, not director

@ateddybear1392 16 күн бұрын

Should just keep Tuchel, Bayern are hardly any worse than they’ve been the last 5 years it just looks worse cuz Bayer haven’t lost. And really, if Bayern wasn’t missing half their team to the Injured List allllllll year, they’d likely be a good bit better off. Sure, spend the money this summer to get better, get rid of the injury prone guys in attack aside from Sane, and run it back and see what happens. Odds are that Bayer comes back to earth and Bayern are better than this year and win the league and start a new streak