Hell yeah dude. Been considering some rakeless cals for a bit

Different tools for different situations

Like the amount of force you push down with to how much the board leans? I would assume that would be all about bushing hardness

haha little crusty out here

Rojas are a little different from everything else. Hard to compare

I totally agree, more centre is what I have found to be a game changer for standies. Centre, or even just straight up stability. I know that for me slightly harder bushings make standies easier, and softer bushings make them less forgiving. At least on a slalom setup. However, that is at the expense of your initiation because you can’t turn as easily.

Damn, boutta flip my K3's

@@kaiyuan-wang not sure I understand how the trucks height becomes lowered

@@hopscotch6596 I should have put it this way: the deck will be lowered. changingangles.com/2019/07/15/rake-doesnt-change-axle-turn/, the animation illustrates how the deck moves vertically while the truck is leaning/turning. The handling of a bicycle works in a very similar way, www.renehersecycles.com/trail-does-not-make-a-bike-stable/

Can't speak to K6's but P2's only have 5 which isn't much. Same as a paris truck

@@hopscotch6596 How much do you consider high? Scythe goes up to 11, but then their design is unique and probably feels way different to most RKP's. Seismic Aeons have 9, which is a lot, but maybe the unique bushing shape works to make a 9mm rake hanger feel "normal". Rogue slaloms and Don't Trip Dangers have 8, which is probably the highest traditional RKP rake, but they are both narrow, slalom trucks (with rear offset zero or negative). Highest symm-hanger RKP rake, that I currently know of, is 5, hence why I say 5 is really high rake already.

@@nickamarit I consider over 5 high. 5 is in the middle and is very common amongst many trucks. Under 5 is low

@@hopscotch6596 There's no freeride RKP with more than 5mm tho. My 130mm chopped Randal R2's have a unique defect at the pivot that makes them have actual rake closer to 7mm than the 5mm they were designed with. They are pretty fun, but the rear outside wheel wants to lift quite easily, so there's 2 distinct stages of dive: normal rakey dive and then super dive once the board deweights the outside rear wheel. Pretty weird.

@@nickamarit yeah that's classic R2 casting. Not sure what you mean by freeride RKP but I still stand by high rake = hard to hold standups. There's some really good skaters who can do it with high rake trucks but that's because they prefer the cornering feel of them over their stability mid slide

The biggest difference you'll feel is the ride height but the turn is lively but different than positive. Just try it

I rode negative rake k5 for 3 years and they were hella stable but with minimal grip

It costs you nothing to try them. More stability, lower ride height, less turn, less “lively” because the rake is working against you in the turn now.

Negative sym rake feels weird for freeride imo. It lacks grip while also feeling unresponsive, so it makes setup carves feel kinda gross and unpredictable. Neg rake rear with a 1/4" riser to height match the front is nice for going fast though.

I see racers do this but I don't fully know the results of full neg rake. If you're wanting to apex corners, the front should still be pos rake

I would assume it plays the biggest or second biggest roll in holding a slide. It's a lean limiter so that will contain the high degrees of lean which contains the high degrees of rake. That's why a flat bushing seat allows so much depth of turn

@@hopscotch6596 so rake but flat cup bushing seat =?

@@kurtisderow7692 yeah basically

@@hopscotch6596Basically what?

@@kurtisderow7692 Deep bushing seat acts the same as a deep cupped washer. Limits the lean range. If the lean/turn ratio is 1/1, 2/2.5, 3/5, you never get that last 3/5 because the bushing seat cuts it off

Yeah made this discovery after feeling slalom trucks mid standup. Not good

True true. Better luck next time

Isn't the amount of "effort" you put into turning how much you "lean" off the board?

@@hopscotch6596 Not always. Rake adds leverage making the same amount of lean easier to achieve in the earlier stages of the whole range of lean.

@@samthespark I think we're talking about two different things with lean. I'm referring to the deck tilting as lean

@@hopscotch6596 Yep that is also what I’m using as the operational definition of lean.

@@hopscotch6596 I tried posting a link to a research project about Rake, Lean and Turn radius, but KZfaq or the app won’t allow for it to stay up. It is super interesting. From Lunar Boardworks. “Nonnovation Blog - Rake (part 1)”