Why Cinestill made 400D? || Opinion

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@theangrymarmot8336 Ай бұрын

I was so glad to see this get released. It is the cheapest color 4x5 (25 sheets for $109 vs ~75 for ten sheets in Kodak.) I have been only shooting B&W with my large format.

@MrBenjy2006 Ай бұрын

I would probably shoot more 800t if it was significantly less than Portra, as a fun alternative. But with prices as high as they are now, why would anyone not just buy Portra, or Gold 200 for that matter. Another cool thing Cinestill does is make accessories/developing accessible and easy to understand. I use their water heater and easy c41 chemistry and it’s great. I did get bummed with all the patent bully stuff going on, and I still think about that. I do think it has affected my buying of Cinestill product. But in the grand scheme I think there are far more egregious and unnecessary patents than a random film number. So meh.

@albacase Ай бұрын

400D in 220 would be a dream and since it would be the only US option it would probably sell like crazy

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

I miss the 220 days, it was so fun to shoot it on 6x7 and get 20 or 21 frames out of it.

@PalKrammer Ай бұрын

Thank you for your perspective - describing the "big picture" of the world of analog photography and film production.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Thanks! I try to expand what we sometimes miss from our small niche.

@wearetrackclub Ай бұрын

Solid points! Really interesting to hear your perspective 👏

@WesleyVerhoevePhotography Ай бұрын

My least favorite thing about the world of analog film is people who have literally no idea about the complexity of running a business like this having all kinds of opinions on it. People questioning the motivations, saying things can be cheaper, etc. all without the burden of actual in-depth knowledge of what it takes to keep this field even going.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

True, if people knew how hard it is to make film photography a sustainable business they wouldnt say the same things. From cameras to repairs, chemicals, labs, etc... its not easy.

@extremelydave Ай бұрын

Unlike everyone seeming to enjoy bashing people and knocking them down, I an glad to see a ray of light here. Nico has been around the block a TON of times and knows the ropes inside and out. I for one am very glad he is still here.

@TheKyleealy Ай бұрын

I think they deserve their flowers for their contribution to the industry, but people aren't bashing them for no reason.

@StymyParsley Ай бұрын

@@TheKyleealyyeah lol people are bashing them for trying to trademark 800T. It’s literally just a descriptive term for a specific type of film and they’re bullying smaller distributors. Of course they deserve hate.

@AndrewJacksonSE Ай бұрын

I would bet that most film shooters have no idea about the process of getting film produced and finished (noting that "finished" means cut, rolled and packaged), let alone the distribution. Cinestill isn't my style, but I went in on the 400D pre-order as we need to be supporting the whole production chain of film if we hope to keep it alive.

@WesleyVerhoevePhotography Ай бұрын

facts

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Agree, its quite a complex situation. Maybe worth a cool video with graphics and such about how it all works.

@user-ff4tm3to4v Ай бұрын

A fast color film in 4x5 that is affordable is important. I just shot the first 4 sheets of my kickstarter box. My experience with it in 120 suggests that the halation won’t be a huge problem as you go up in format.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Thats good to know, need to pick up a box when its back in stock.

@jmguitarnavy Ай бұрын

Sorry if it's a bit unrelated, but does anyone have any news about the Orwo NC200 film that's supposed to release this year? Nico mentioned it looked more normal than the others and I'd love to give it a go when/if it finally hits the shelves. Great content, love your videos.

@markwalkerphotography Ай бұрын

This is great news and brings colour into the affordable (ish) bracket. Though, personally I've never developed colour at home!

@areallyrealisticguyd4333 Ай бұрын

I know more people shooting 4x5 than ever before, but we're talking YOUNG people like 16-30. we really do need some kind of cheaper options for color sheet film and while Cinestill and reflx lab did take a step forward in that aspect it would be nice if Kodak themselves supported that community more. If they released gold 200 in medium format, then obviously the next step up is 4x5.

@briansegarra9312 Ай бұрын

Any " affordable " large format color film is always a great idea

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Saludos Brian!!

@briansegarra9312 Ай бұрын

@@NicosPhotographyShow Saludos espero, que todo valla bien por alla !

@andydreadsbmx Ай бұрын

Good to hear some history and insight along with overall being optimistic about the film industry. Mistakes happen and not everything that companies do is going to be the right choice. Complaining about prices up and down is not going to fix anything, yes it could be cheaper but then that is less money to build upon getting more film created (yes it could be going into the pockets of those making it but we don't know). Overall I buy Cinestill film and I enjoy the results. From a professional standpoint, getting perfectly clean results from film is almost pointless if you ask me. High end professional work can be shot digitally and emulated while leaving film for a more artistic result.

@MarcS4R Ай бұрын

i tried 400d but i did not like the color rendering in natural light.

@FredStoverink Ай бұрын

I’m biased, but I think CineStill is incredible.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

They do good stuff, not my kind of film stock but they are a good option to have.

@markmoodywv Ай бұрын

Love cinestill! Id be curious to see what else they have in the pipeline.

@heatonize Ай бұрын

waiting for the E100 sales

@doozledumbler5393 11 күн бұрын

Did they try to trademark 400D yet?

@erichstocker8358 Ай бұрын

I prefer the Refxlab 4x5 because it is aerocolor which I greatly prefer for look and no halation. I do not think that any company can own a designation like 800T. That isn't a trademark but a ISO and color designation

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

I hope to one day make a proper video on that situation.

@andrewbarnum5040 Ай бұрын

We are still trying to figure out what 400D is exactly. It's base is purple like all ECN-2, most of us guess it's 250D except Cinestill says it's not 250D. So what is it if it's not 250D? There are not many options and they don't have the ability to make their own film. Personally I think they are flat out lying and it is 250D only because all other options seem very unlikely.

@eatfrog Ай бұрын

It 100% is 250D. Cinestill marketing is just saying marketing stuff.

@andrewbarnum5040 Ай бұрын

@@eatfrog until someone who knows for sure what it is, I don't think anyone can say 100% so let's just say there is a 99% chance it's 250D.

@hkleinespel Ай бұрын

I think they are using the same emulsion as 250d, but Kodak sells them master rolls without any Remjet applied to the back of the film. So technically it’s not 250d where they remove the Remjet, because it just wasn’t added to begin with.

@andrewbarnum5040 Ай бұрын

@@hkleinespel Remjet does not define a film stock. It's 250D with or without Remjet

@heatonize Ай бұрын

it's not "re-spooled" 250D. They cut the film and spool it themselves from a giant 250D wholesale roll. the emulsion is 250D but it was never branded or cut by kodak as such, so cinestill takes the credit.

@Co1eTr4in84 Ай бұрын

Cinestil has been a great help in the film resurgence and should get praise for all that work,. We all make mistakes, key to to learn and move forward.

@jw48335 Ай бұрын

If they had learned from their mistakes, they would relinquish their patent on 800T, an ill-gotten patent that should never have been granted on a technical term. Until they kill that patent, they obviously have not learned their lesson.

@Co1eTr4in84 Ай бұрын

@@jw48335 its more complicated than just relinquishing the patent. I think it was not needed on all the patent stuff but its undeniable that they made 800T a thing to the an average film user.

@moot6794 Ай бұрын

(Money. They made it for money.)

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

I thought we are all into film for the passion, who wants to pay bills, not me!

@CrispyFrenFry Ай бұрын

I love shooting film, primarily in 35mm and 120 but Cinestill has never been a vendor whose products called to me. I’d be more than happy to see them go bust after they showed their greed by preventing others from accomplishing the same generic (not trade secret or proprietary) process to generate greater competition in the market.

@nev.catalyst7478 Ай бұрын

love cinestill, hate any angry mob. no one is perfect

@JamieMPhoto Ай бұрын

The amount of willful ignorance and determined hate for Cinestill is absurd. I'm pretty over it, even if they're definitely not perfect.

@theangrymarmot8336 Ай бұрын

Yeah, I didn't see it as that big of a deal. People these days will get their thongs tangled for anything. I have been buying from cinestill for years - and it has always been a good experience, and I bought some of this 4x5 soon as it came out.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Agreed!! Hope all is well Jamie!

@aidanwolf4873 Ай бұрын

They sent out cease and desists to small film production companies selling the exact same product… cuz they didn’t like the use of “800 Tungsten” when both films are just washed vision 3 kodak film stocks. Not to mention cinestill handled the situation awfully n practically mocked these small companies. They are scum dude.

@ToyStoryNBarneyFan Ай бұрын

I’m gonna say this, yes, I agree that Cinestill has made a bad decision in regard to that situation that happened months ago and I understand the frustrations people have with them. At the same time though, I’ll play devil’s advocate and say from a business standpoint, I’d understand why Cinestill sent the letters, and this isn’t saying what they did morally was good but legally, they can. In my personal opinion, while I’m not gonna forget what they did, I still plan on buying their products in the future

@Dan-TechAndMusic Ай бұрын

CS did it to themselves, pretending 400D is not V3 250D without remjet, and bullying other film sellers with their total bull 800T trademark, burned all goodwill. CineStill's had their moment, and now that they don't have a monopoly on remjet removed Vision3 film anymore, they started lashing out at their smaller competitors instead of trying to innovate to keep their position in the film market. That speaks to what CS' ethics are. I prefer not to support that sort of company. I'm far more excited for the future of ORWO and Harman color films!

@MakersTeleMark Ай бұрын

Cinestill is purely a marketing company. They hire other firms to produce, modify, and finish the film they sell. Plain and simple. Glad 4x5 has another option, but it's a really crappy one at that, even if it is comparatively cheap. It's not as bad a Phoenix, but it's close.

@NicosPhotographyShow Ай бұрын

Most companies today (in other industries apart from film) do the same. Most manufacturing companies fail at marketing and its best they stay behind the lines in that case. But Cinestill has done a great job at making a different product available for still photography, even if the main ingredient is not cooked in their kitchen.