I genuinely want a video where someone debunks communism using chickens

@@ros9764 there’s a video where someone debunks communism with cows. Close enough I guess 🤷‍♂

Same lol

Would note that there's also no objective function that central planners can maximize (though this relates to what you listed as #1). Also would mention that the third question I pose is essentially Hayek's information problem (the planners don't know that there are two ways to make a chicken lay more eggs).

and if it is done by computers? It removes corruption and reduces time, isn't it?

@@ryangosling239 The computer can't solve the information problem (question #3 in the video). It does not have all the relevant information about how each factory and each chicken farm works (multiply this problem x10000 for every different good/service in the economy)!

@@AbsurdChicken but what if it does? AI are fed with all the data from the internet, so why shouldn't a computer know that?

@@AbsurdChicken If the market was centrally planned there would actually be people involved in the planning that have an idea of what theyre doing. In your video you just assume that everyone is the biggest idiot and just dont account for experts running a planned economy. So the chicken example makes no sense at all.

Finally someone who isnt a 16 year old knowitall

you had to edit that simple sentence?

@@bleederboss Dyslexia

@@bleederbosstypos exist

All commies are bad

​@@bleederboss "You had to edit that simple sentence" ☝️🤓. Bros acting like he has never made a typo or misspelled something before.

he is delulu

Ok move to NK then

@@664theneighbor5 with a profile picture like that i wouldve thought you supported NK. guess they aint white enough for ya anyways the fact you even know about NK but have never heard of, like, Turkmenistan is a part of the problem. Not to say knowing about NK is bad, but there are plenty of other third world dictatorships that are violating human rights just as much as them but aren't getting that level of media coverage. hell, in some places you could say the US is worse/as bad as them (necrocracy (why are we still talking about the founding fathers), exploitation of workers, propaganda, etc) and unlike NK it doesn't really have a historical reason for it besides "free market babyyyyyy 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅". Hell, SK is run by like, 5 families that own every major corporation in the country, practically making it a capitalist monarchy (hilarious as capitalism was originally conceptualized as a removal of Kings from Feudal society). Leninism postulates that a newly formed socialist//communist government remain a dictatorship of the proletariat for as long as it is threatened by Capitalist powers. Remember: there is a reason every long-lasting socialist country has done this, from Cuba to China to, yes, NK. In NK's case, the threats from SK and the US never went away, and while that is not to suggest that the obscene glorification of the Kim family is normal in Leninist countries, there is a reason NK remains so hostile to Western capitalist powers. It would have never gotten nukes if there werent US and SK troops on it's southern border 24/7 threatening its very existence, and a Chinese partnership can only go so far. There are no NK troops on any US border, and yet the US still sees itself as the World Police, putting troops wherever it likes to ensure its interests.

We'll have to wait probably more than a century before AI becomes as reliable as people assume it can become

@@ros9764 yeah we can wait, AI’s not necessary for socialism, but it would help!

@@ros9764 it's just another pro, and another pro for marx's argument

don't forget the maker of this Video is probably an american, brainwashed and held back by their education system

1. Mongolia and Nepal, and probably a few other super minor ones lacked US intervention while socialist, what would be true however is no country, socialist or capitalist has not been interfered with by another country and thus any argument based on 'I cant do X because interference' is flawed by the nature that any system socialist or otherwise does not exist in a perfect vacuum and must contend with the realities of a vast global economy, and countless other nations with there own policies, beliefs, etc that can affect any given nations system no matter how isolated. 2. I disagree with this statement on a fundamental level, even things as 'basic' as food demands can be prone to sudden shifts that no one predicted. While such is more predictable in the past you can't fully truly predict consumer demand just make an educated best guess. 3. That's a communist slogan not a socialist one and there is a difference between the two as not all forms of socialism are communist although like anything of such a nature I don't doubt its been co-opted within socialism it is a primarily communist statement started by Marx. There is also a great deal of ideological argument on what that statement even means. 4. I could start a whole list of jobs id refuse to do regardless of the circumstances up to and including the threat of starvation or execution, and this is with experience being homeless and permanent childhood malnutrition related issues, I have starved before, and would do so again then do certain things.

Seems like you're making an argument based on Road to Serfdom, which is a political economy argument! The video is based on the impossibility of planning even with perfect political economy (which is based on Hayek's Use of Knowledge in Society).

@@AbsurdChicken I was making argument based on my own observations and discussions I had with other people. It's interesting to know about the books that study these dynamics, I'll have to find time to read them!

www.statista.com/statistics/1248540/us-ussr-life-expectancy-at-birth-cold-war/

@@AbsurdChicken unfair comparison but sure. America has been a "free" and "democratic" country since the 1700's and the USSR existed for about 70 years. Compared with countries with similar starting points in living standards, such as india. The USSR had higher living standards. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf

that graph makes little sense, it first starts of with every point being 5 years, but halfway it changes and goes 1 year per point. Then we got the problem where at the start usa and ussr is basically the same(graph starts at 1970), but the ussr has existed much longer than that

​@@AbsurdChicken This video is a joke

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Socialism is the state control of the means of production. It's impossible to calculate profits and or efficiency of something that big. which is why most of them actively lose money and require external funding and subsidies (money which can be better spent elsewhere if the companies were left to collapse to let other more successful and profitable competitors emerge)

They only achieved existing so long due to a repressing regime. And in the end they all switch to a more liberal market. And yes, of course a 5 min. Video will be oversimplified.

that muh is an economic science explanation. in psicology we have a model that explains psicopathology, you dont need to have an historical view of the person. im saying this with a psicoanalitical position.

@@bobskanal How does a regime extend the life of a economic system? And why support a video that oversimplifies things? Wouldn't it be better to have a video that just simplifies things (excluding the over)?

@@bleederboss But you still need to a have an example of that person with that psychopathology. You can say a unicorn is real, explain how they evolved right along with humans, but that doesn't mean they actually exist.

@@BlackenedBones yes the theory is made from the examples, but after that you use the theory. the some happens in economics and also from the normal function which is also based on examples. but you dont always go to the past ...

Can confirm.

But a lot of communists get triggered by the title click on in, dislike and leave.

@@bobskanal Im here man come on, you wanna fight then fight.

@@Bratkartoffel16 Why don't you go and actually change things? Like fixing our corrupt governments and starting revolutions instead of arguing with people on the internet.

@@Bratkartoffel16 Ich verstehe die Sehnsucht nach einer besseren Welt, aber der Kommunismus ist eine materialistische Ideologie, die gleichzeitig gegen den Materialismus der Menschen kämpft. Wenn du die Welt wirklich verbessern willst, musst du bei dir selbst anfangen.

@@treedai7787 what are you doing about any of those?

with that premise you admit that before ai it was imposible though. and you need A) a product of capitalism (being ai) and B) for it to work as you described it without like you described which in itself 1) its not how you think ai works (because its not easy to understand ai and if you think it is you are not very smart) and 2) you dont know the scale that ai works and you wouldn have an example until its tried.

Look: The difference between capitalism and communism is the following: When a big company in in capitalism goes bankcrupt, some prices may get higher, but eventually the company gets replaced by another. When a big company in communism goes bankcrupt, the big company is the only company, so it can't get replaced, because it's the state, which means that there will be another great starving. And AI is a human product, which means that it makes mistakes and it gets controlled by humans, who also make mistakes.

What do you mean by competent planners and enough data? How in the actual hell we prevent the next stalin to rise to power and how in this world we will be able to getter what i want next week?

​@@bleederbossnothing is a product of capitalism or communism, everything is a product of researchers and workers, AI as we know it wouldn't be a thing it it was for state-sponsored development

@@altairtodescatto so he says that AI fixes planned economy. It removes much of the bureaucracy, and Stalin rose to power because he was in charge of that bureaucracy. Also, Malenkov (the guy after Stalin) lost power because the bureaucracy didn't like him

One day!

Womp womp

@@WorkersRepuplicOfParava dong stuck in your mouth so you can't say anything intelligible?

@@WorkersRepuplicOfParava cry more.

Latvian industry became a piece of shit after the USSR collapsed,many factories have been closed. Apartment complexes were just a temporary measure to give people housing , because in the fifties many people still lived in wooden houses. And also such thing as decentralised planning economy exists, that fixes many issues of central planning economy(but it can work only in an anarchist society). Also calling the USSR "a communist country" is not correct, because communism is a classless stateless and moneyless society,in which everything is distributed from everyone according to their ability,to everyone according to their need. You can't really call it socialist tho. Because socialism means that the workers control means of production they are working at. But in the USSR the means of production were fully controlled by the state,so its just capitalism,but the owner now is not bourgeois,but the state. To make the long story short,if you say that your country have suffered from the USSR,you basically say that your country have suffered from state capitalism,not communism

@@kholodyeg7210 Latvia's life GDP per capita has risen tenfold since the fall of the USSR with its life expectancy also increasing by five years!

You skipped intellect

@@kxbelsalat6390 So what commie fanboy? Go to China or even North Korea if you love socialism and communism. Tell me how it went for you there.

Even if such advanced technology makes ccommunism achievable, why not use it to enhance capitalism instead? I mean, we don't have that Star Trek-style futuristic technology, and yet we're much better under a market economy than under a central-planning economy. Why opting for risky changes when we already have a model that works relatively well? The risk and costs associated with changing systems are not worth it for the purely hypothetical gains.

Having a better calculator isn't going to help you calculate variables if you don't have access to such variables in the first place.

The human itself can't make an unfair world fair. And behind communism is a hedonistic/materialistic world view. And this hedonistic/materialistic world view will sooner or later get in conflict with communism. You like it when the state gives you a big house. But after 25 years it could be that the state pushes you out of the house into a small 1-room flat, because someone else needs it more, or because of corruption.

@@vol7381 your also right but I think that the more we go into the future and the more businesses will become more powerful just look at BP or Samsung they have control ove intuire government and this results in the exploitation of the millions of workers that work in that industry and generally all over the world

​@@Ismail-fv6ki I understand your worries. Caring about workers is always a necessary and valid reason to object economic systems. But the world has gotten more "capitalist" in the past decades, and we haven't seen worker's condition deteriorating. In fact, they've improved a lot. Even if one says it is because of the welfare state, well, that is by no means a reason to end capitalism, since welfare-state and capitalism work well together. That is more like a reason to upgrade capitalism rather than end it.