Here is article how 8.5 is determined. www.casinocitytimes.com/donald-catlin/article/how-long-is-a-craps-roll-1240

Definitely do more videos that put two strategies head to head. Even some that are light vs dark, with variations. It’s great to see more than one strategy working at the same time for comparison. U do a great job.

Since all the table games were shut down on my vacation to Blackhawk, CO I got to play on the $1 min electronic craps table and test so many strategies and colored up good

Good video. Makes alot of sense. Will give this a shot this weekend. THANK YOU!!

Love your videos. As anyone who plays a lot knows, this sample size is just too small to determine whether a strategy is relevant. Really like the fact that you explore different strategies though.

Been watching a ton of your content and others, and this is one of the best ones I have seen. Still a beginner, but at the end of the day knowing when to get in, get out, regress, etc, seems like a fine art that you did a great job showing on this. Having the math up was amazing I don't see that often and am still learning just the simple spread betting styles, payouts, etc, so I really appreciated that. Cheers and thank you!

Yep, I am DEFINITELY a player A type of player when betting on others shooting because JUST like you have demonstrated here, THIS is TYPICAL in REALITY!!!

Great video! Great way to consider bankroll management at the table.

Love seeing the scores for A & B on screen. In the future you could show A and the house. Thanks for great videos.

Another great video! You must be the king of the craps channels. I've watched so many and more keep popping up. How many videos have you made? Keep up the great work!

Great video! Nothing new to me but you have demonstrated in a very simple way just how betting strategies work and why you want to use the one that is right for your comfort level. I read a long time ago about "professional craps players" that play all day but they go in for their 3 hits then take their profit and move on to the next shooter or point.

First priority, break even. I routinely do this-early, and then sometimes late in the day. I watch dice betters hit and run, return, to hit presumably, but run, again and again sometimes. They don’t seem too happy. It can weary oneself, to put in the hours grinding, only to break even when day is done. Be the toughest out. It always beats losing.

8.5 is average? She lied to me........

It kills me to see how much money gets wiped off the table after a long roll, much of it is my own! Regress or go dark-side, players!

Hey Jeremy. Good stuff. I wonder if you'd do another vid comparing a similar play for two shooters but one is always working on the come out.

This is a great video! I used a modified version of this strategy last week and won big! $220 inside (5,6,8,9) after 2 hits, I go down to $110, now I'm out of the hand and have a profit of $30 and can now take advantage of the long roll and if big red comes it's no big deal. Of course point 7 out does happen but as you say in your video, 8.5 is the average and if a long roll does come you can press after regressing and make up for the point 7 out. It does take discipline to stick to this strategy because it's somewhat conservative. Thanks for the great video!

Great video. I have won big with $100-150 bank roll and lost my $300 bank roll in 15 minutes. So it is all about timing and sticking with your strategy and sticking with your casino lost number. And gamble with money you budget and if you lost don’t chase.

This is some of the best math based play you have ever put out. Good video.

I like it. Another short game strategy to consider is as follows. If you use the two hit (I prefer 3) then down strategy, you can take down your initial bets (mine would be 64 across typically), and take your first two wins and put them back out on the line, be it 28 across or more depending on if you hit a four or ten,. Keep the third hit as pure profit. This way you have your two wins on the table basically using the "casino money" to bet with. In essence for free. You can leave it out there as long as you want and not feel too bad about it if you lose in a handful more rolls. BUT, if you continue to roll numbers, you of course can keep all the wins or press and keep. If you catch a big roll you will clean up. If you do not, you can try again with no pain at all.

Your dealer two-hand grabs of right 5s and left 1s are looking great. You’ve been practicing or just doing a lot more of these. Good vid!

I like the random Casino Arizona chip in there. Wish we had live craps here. Good info for my next trip to vegas.

This is one of the best craps videos I have seen, probably ever

Well done. Thank you

Smart idea Jeremy.

Great video.

if there is anything ive learned is that after 5 or 8 rolls you can switch up and either get a hedge . or bet with the 7 . avoid the 7 all together by coming off or down . or pulling it down and putting it on a dont pass bet if you still want some action find a strategy that avoids losing your place bets . that seems to be the tale of the tape at the end of the day and how much it adds up .

This is GREAT, I think that I can win $1,500 - $2,000 with your teaching. I am going to kill it tonight!!!!!!!!!!!! Best video on KZfaq, EVERYONE should watch it!

Love the advice and video. Would like to see a comparison video of short game that presses and then goes off after a few score hits versus the same bet shooter that presses and stays in game

I watched your videos about a week ago and I’ve been doing very well in Craps. Thanks a lot-you’re really good at this💪🏾🎲🎰✅. I signed up for your course and watched a couple of videos and I like to play the 6 and the 8 and if the eight is on I’ll just play the 6 (because I have a pass-line bet) and let them roll out-that way I don’t lose much money. The odds are in my favor and I normally come out with money if I stay at the table. I was up to hundred on 100 for a total of $300. It may take a little longer to do that, but at least the money is in my pocket taking putting less money on the table. Let’s be honest-- I got lucky on some field bets too lol.

When I first started playing, I would fret at how much money I left on the table. But when you get to those monster rolls and start pounding some numbers, those wins are worth it. Players kick themselves for turning their bets off early or not taking them down. I find a spot where I'm willing not to press any higher. I've been on a $5 table and had my 6 to $150 and decided that I'm not going any higher. I've been to $30 on all the inside numbers and decided to stop pressing. When you take your money down or turn it off you are out of the action. I enjoy playing and understand that I'm probably going to lose money. I might as well enjoy it while I can. Interesting video indeed.

I am a math person and I feel the key word that no one uses is the Stochastic process. This is a great video! Basically it helps explain the phenomenon where the odds of say rolling a 4 is 1 in 12 rolls 3 combinations out of 36. Yet I have hit 6 4s in 13 rolls. I remember going off on a 50 roll monster making 5 points etc or hitting 8 2s in 13 rolls. I can now incorporate clever wagering as it converted me from an original dark side player btw.

You just explained my "beginners luck phase" at I dubbed it for about 6 hours 5 and 6 came up regularly and a the occasional higher numbers would be hot

Hey Jeremy. Another great vid..you make a good point with this one. Glad to see it. As a relatively newer player I've learned alot from your videos over the last year or so when I can catch them. I've come along way since I got started and have done pretty well playing and practicing. One of the best things about your vids are your objective teaching approach. Another one you might do if you haven't already is comparing two players. One always working vs the player who leaves it off on the come out roll. I've noticed the common practices of the game like bets off on the come out, getting people to always play the pass line, etc, are really more in favor of the casino..a missed payout on the come out is what they want. I know the difference will always be the guy who's rolling but statistically I'm betting the guy who's working bets more on the come out tends to win more.. thoughts?

I found this out years ago by writing down the rolls of each shooter at the crap table I was playing on and also when the seven came out after their point was made. I used to take three hits on the 5,6,8,9 but after eating a comp meal and looking in my black notepad where I kept track of all of the numbers rolled I then found out that I would make more profit by just taking two hits and then turning off all of my place bets vs taking three hits. On average the number seven rolls every six rolls. I only gave each shooter two rolls to hit the 5,6,8,9 and then turn my place bets off. I then missed so my sevens taking my place bets down. If more ways you can make a number the more times it will roll. If the 6,8,7 have not rolled in two rolls the chance of 6,8,7 will usually roll on the third of forth roll of the dice. My favorite dice strategy is the Iron Cross. I have the dealer place $15 on the 5, $18 on the six and eight, and $10 in the field for only two rolls and then tell the dealer to turn off my place bets. If my field bet is still on the crap table I take it off too.

All systems are gr8, some of the times. Problem is the results, are bad all of the times. If all dealer hole cards are faces, then all rolls are 7. Until their not. Start by risking as little as possible. This will ensure reserve if a chase is required. If you get a big enough lead, then go for the score. At the end of the day. Every dollar in your pocket is a dollar won, even if you lost.

Very good example. Maybe do again and allow the conservative player to go to 4 rolls after point. Appreciate your videos and watch all of them. Noticed bubble craps is volatile. I’ve seen that also.

Some observations? We could always play poker first, grind out a profit and take it to the craps table. Craps players like to play more than they like to walk away a winner. b. Players want to grind out a win. Instead of going for it within 6-8 rolls. Load up for one roll with “profits”. There’s nothing to say you can’t bet 100.00 hard 4, (then take it down) hop the 4’s, place the 4’s and bet the field. Don’t forget to add a few white chips (cheks) for a two way. Thanks for the dealer tip podcast.

This is a very interesting study of one strategy vs. another. You didn't account for any potential pass/don't line bets though if either is shooting. It would have been nice to see 10 players instead of 5 to get more data. Love to see more of these types comparisons of strategies you already have on your channel especially a various pass line vs. dark player. Conservative vs. Aggressive too. Really enjoy the channel, great work.

The Real deal !!! Thank you for the math!!!

the amount of times I see point 7 offsets the long rolls.

Whilst the average is 8.5ish the more useful number is that just over fifty percent of shooters are actually done by roll 6. The wizard of odds does have a craps survivability table with the odds of surviving roll six just 49.72% So for me the take home is that the chance of continuing beyond roll 6 is starting to diminish whilst before roll six is a better than 50% chance. By the way it is a tough probability to calculate because it takes into account every possible game state and dice combination together.

What almost all of these “strategy demo” videos show is that the cardinal sin in playing any craps strategy is not having enough bankroll when you get to the table and relying on an early hot roll to buy you time. Any strategy is going to have some ups and more downs, you need to have enough cash to be there when/ if the “ups” come and enough discipline to leave before the table regresses to the mean.

Interesting to see how many rolls it actually takes to get close to the same point as turning your bets off after two hits.

What this video is, is a great example of why you play the Pass Line and bet odds lol

I like the iron cross 6+8+ field and lay 5 roll go best because 7 come doesn't hurt you some times I just collect money because 5 doesn't show better than

My last trip to Las Vegas was my 1st losing trip in a while. I was doing good for 3 days, probably up $500 over all my sessions. , but the very last night I was at a casino with 10x odds and the table was extremely cold, no one was hitting the point and would seven out after only a few rolls. I did not blow my entire starting bankroll trying to win. So I consider that a positive :-) When I take my daughter to LV for her 21st birthday later in the year I'm going to switch to a "don't" strategy if I'm at a table like that again. I have never been a don't player before.

Lol @ thumbnail 🤣

You're a seven machine. if I see you at a casino iam betting the dont's when you're up. but I still like your content. keep'em coming.

Your thoughts on biased dice in las vegas casinos

Somehow I missed this video from 3 months ago. Great video! Dice theory + Strategy = Great Video!!!

Hitting that monster roll feels nice but it wont make up for all your losses over time that you save by turning off your bets Firm believer in taking a few hits and a press then turning off your bets till the new roller starts

Solid thumbnail

As far as I can tell. There's a flaw in that computation w regard to expected profit and loss. As there's no weight given to the 2,3 n 12 on the come out for the dp shooter. It also seems to incorporates that the "continuation" of a 7 rolled on the come out, is no longer an independent event. But a "continuation" of past events. Which I understand. But clearly I'm missing something here. As it not only doesn't incorporate the roll of individual numbers and their placement during the rolls subsequent to the roll of a 7. But no apparent weighting to the 2 3 n 12. I believe if you weight the 2, 3 n 12 appropriately. It will change the expected payback ratio on the dp bet to the correct %. Because by my calculations with this math the expected house edge on the dp without weighting the payout on the dp front line winners is north of -2.1%. When we know it to be around -1.4% including the payout/push with the dp front line winners. While the math may bear out initially to show a shooter throwing an average of 8.5 rolls. While it may be correct mathematically on the surface. This is inherently flawed with regard to actual win/loss %. Because, we know that the only time a shooter must pass the dice, is when they 7 out. Therefore a craps roll on the come out. Doesnt require the shooter to pass the dice and must be weighted appropriately in our expected payback. BUT IN THIS CALCULATION IS INCLUDED AS A CONTINUATION IN THE SERIES OF "SUCCESFUL" ROLLS ??? And the number of total rolls per shooter. Not just as a continuation of a roll including a 7 on the initial come out roll. Someone show me what I'm missing here with regards to the lack of representation of our expected return when a craps or push is rolled on the come out as part of our "8.5" average rolls per shooter??? I believe with this incorporated (being the appropriate weighting of 2 3 n 12) it changes everything. And lowers the "true" average roll to around 5.5 per player. If we are to consider a successful roll to be one in which a shooter either 7s on the initial come out then points. Or 7s out after x amount of rolls. Because we aren't concerned about true total average rolls per shooter. Or at least we shouldn't be. We're concerned about expected avg win/loss %'s Ps: as a side note. Seems like a crappy little piece of skewed info thrown out there to try n get shooters to leave their bets on the table longer... til they get crushed. Jmho

(Win%×amount won)-(loss%×amountbet) If number is negative its unbeatable what ever game you play you can't beat a fixed edge

Are the two hits based on the player. For example point is 5 next two rolls are 6, 8 and the place bets are turned off. The next roll is a five. Do you play the 44 inside after the point is established or do you wait for the next shooter?

Is it better to miss out on a monster roll if you are consistently making money on 4 or 5 rolls 🤔

Having less money exposed to the house edge will always come out ahead....common sense....0 money gambled is 0 money lost......

Can you take down place bets at any time in the rolls?

The reason you loss is because it's a negative expected value game. The longer u play the house edge will take over.

"Watching all the rolls go by", the theme song of my life.

Me seeing you lose: I see so the reason craps players are losing is because they're playing in the first place.

Ive noticed when I have the four, five , six placed -- all the rolls are eight , nine , ten. WTH?

Regression... The way to go Jeremy.

Why I play alone

I had no idea you can turn your bets off when the point's on...

cause they roll 4-5 times and think their number or a 7 isn’t gonna hit, just keep pressing other numbers....pull them the hell down and either hit ur number or 7 out.

when i turn my bets off the dealers will give me crap and so many times the next roll is 7, i just say...what'd you say? huh? they don't do it as much anymore because i am right many times, nothing magical, just math

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So can i just turn my bets off at any point or only at certain times

Do the dealers get pissed if you keep turning off your bets?

The average roll is : Charlie Brown teacher voice lol

Turning bets off eliminates monster roll profits.

i always when more on the dark side

You have to leave the casino to win !!!

Dice are brutal tonite. And every nite.

Have you ever seen a shooter pass the dice to the next player in the middle of a hand? Is that permissible in every casino?

great video! Side question - can you JUST play the hardways ? 4/6/8/10

6 6 6 I knew 7 was next lol.

it's all about the math . lots of bad math most casinos . just watch and see. g ddp1

Are we sure the Ave roll is 8.5 with a 7 odds being 1 in 6? The standard deviation is to 8.5, but I wonder the more you roll the Ave shld be 6 rolls? Random rolls.

I'm the player who walks away winning or losing

Good afternoon Jeremy, just checking to see if you will be in central city on Friday with rick, if so I have a few things for you

Ok,, now that's what I'm talking about,,,we as gamblers are not working as a unit. We are there to make money. We need to practice shooting dice practice bedding in a Safeway to our advantage just as if we are a NFL player making money. Making the odds in our favor.. we also have math, science, and the positivity of will and mechanics. These are just a couple of things to do,, besides betting the right moment and time to hit a lick. The words of a true gambler take only what you need to lose or win and a scared man can't win.

BEST BEST WAY to win at Craps is know when to LEAVE GET OUT RUN AWAY FAST and don't look back, Live to fi ght another day

Have a question for you. I just started playing and went to a casino near me. They had $50 limit tables. I put $64 down and said it was for 'across the board'. He looked at me so I thought I said something wrong so I said, 'inside and outside numbers'. He said I couldn't bet that. Why? Do I have to put $50 on each number?

Ok,, thanks for the ❤️ and let's talk about the Art of gamblers. MIT students with the help of mathematics and practice count cards. The Art of dice control and settings comes to mind and play. Color up if you use dice control/ setting /press / table amount and bankroll.. 🤔🤔🤔( thinking in shooting pool,,the upper/lower/left/right/center and speed control of setting up the next shots. Fat's Domino and great players took time, practice/learning and skills and positioning the cue ball. We are learning the ropes and the tables, betting, shooting,we can win. Practice makes perfect.) Roll with it color up.

The second player should be pressing their bets.

I fully understand the conservative approach. But aren’t you sad when a monster roll happens? You know if you buy back in on a long roll it will end next roll. So you sit there for an hour watching and asking yourself are you a spectator or a gambler?

I love my hard 8 (heh 😆) I would have made a lot of money off you with that roll lol

The difference between GOD and a pit boss? GOD knows HE'S NOT a pit boss

theres an old saying scared money dont make money

Craps players are losing because its a mathematical certainty genius 😆 also for the 10,0000th time. Dont pass and betting max odds affordable is the most strategic way to play. ANYONE who disagrees obviously doesnt really know the game OR is Ignorant.

You know I always appreciate your insight and love for the game. But in this video, you're just pulling scenarios out of your ass wholesale. Trying to determine if it's better to take down bets in 5 or 6 or 8.3 rolls? There is no answer to this. There is NO right or wrong. What do I mean? I just got back from Atlantic City and I did most of my play at Caesars. I witnessed a "Point established then IMMEDIATE 7 rolled" EIGHT times in a row. Yes, eight times in a row. The NJ guy next to me put $440 inside after EVERY point was established and lost on the very next roll eight times in a row. That's reality.

8.5 NO WAY! A 7 comes once every 6 rolls, but it takes at least 1 roll to get a point. So, that leaves a max. of 5 rolls before a 7.

perhaps you could hire someone to toss dice for your videos, reason being in most all you throw are sevens. Very difficult to play out strategys because youre a lousy roller, at least on video