Why defenders are taking goal kicks

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Manchester United made a subtle difference to their approach during their recent 3-2 loss to Arsenal in the Premier League. The game seen Lisandro Martinez taking goal kicks back to David De Gea, to have him begin the phase of play.
There has been a quiet rise of defenders taking goal kicks this season, but what is the benefit of this and how does it have an affect on the game state? Jon Mackenzie is here to discuss this approach and his favourite subject - pressing!
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@MMiniprize Жыл бұрын

Good to know my inability to take goal kicks when I was 10 was actually a strategic masterpiece ahead of its time..

@avikmondal9584 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@NaginiPlays Жыл бұрын

I was about to say the same lol.

@SANCHIT18OCT Жыл бұрын

same

@Oh__nO Жыл бұрын

Yep. You’re manager just didn’t understand your strengths

@gino4tune Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@jakezxz1352 Жыл бұрын

It's really quite fascinating that there is this much to learn from such a small 5 yard pass - Football really has many layers!

@SteveItOut Жыл бұрын

Absolute lasagna tactics

@d.b.cooper1 Жыл бұрын

“Load of tosh, toe-poke that ball into other net & break a leg whilst ya at it”. Simple.

@minigigachad4946 Жыл бұрын

@@d.b.cooper1Sean dyche tactics

@andydavies9866 Жыл бұрын

I noticed this in their first leg league Cup semi final against Forest. The ball being at the keeper's feet in the box, rather than at a defender's feet in the box, seemed to put Forest off from pressing. Weird

@felixbache5369 Жыл бұрын

yeah, it is kind of crazy. I think it's because usually when you're pressing, instinctively you're trying to get the defenders to pass it back to the keeper so he can either make a mistake or kick it long. But when the ball is already at the keeper's feet you just have to mark the defenders and everytime you're trying to press the keeer you're leaving a defender or midfielder open to receive the pass. Or you have to push every single player up the pitch, which is a huge risk.

@andydavies9866 Жыл бұрын

@@felixbache5369 such a simple thing to do, yet it appears to be fairly effective and helpful if you're trying to play from the back

@tenzingmingmar1424 Жыл бұрын

This ironically goes along with Tifo’s De Gea vid about his weaknesses and why the modern keeper needs to be great on their feet to help build up from the back. When the keeper is involved, you get the extra 11th player vs the other teams’ 10 outfield players to fight against any defensive press.

@XDSmiffy Жыл бұрын

Yeet me from this mortal coil

@drex5160 Жыл бұрын

Is that you Joe?

@charlesfowler4308 Жыл бұрын

@@mmaguy1358 joe mamma

@drex5160 Жыл бұрын

@@mmaguy1358 joe devine the tifo god

@nicoviebrock5348 Жыл бұрын

@@drex5160 the one and only, the scourge of walking football fields, the granddad punisher, the big L, the Maestro Gaslightero

@Nippleless_Cage Жыл бұрын

I used to take goal kicks as a fullback on my school team. But that was because the goalie couldn't kick far enough 😂 We weren't a great team. It was fun though.

@samn90834 Жыл бұрын

Exact same situation for me🤣, keeper would usually take the first of the game then manager would tell me to take the rest haha, he was actually a fantastic shot stopper but could throw it farther than he could kick it🤣

@claywandera2486 Жыл бұрын

this analysis make u not just watch the game for the sake of it by watch a puzzle being solved in satisfying but yet methodical whist the process being intriguing and enigmatic especially when both sides are tactical and intelligent thanks for these pieces @tifo and all the lads who contribute to this content

@lankrah Жыл бұрын

This same strategy was used in the Brentford game that United lost 4-0. Since then, Ten Hag abandoned it for a bit. Appears he's bringing it back.

@bighamster2 Жыл бұрын

Arsenal also often take goal kicks this way, but they kick it long quite often too. So the tactic seems to work, but it depends on your players, the opposition, and the game state.

@ryan123pop Жыл бұрын

Back then, some players are not built for this play style. Ten Hag had to change to long ball since players like De Gea and Eriksen are not comfortable at first phase of build up. They improve now but still lack a lot especially against the teams that press really high like Arsenal. You can see with how Arsenal scored their first after winning the ball from AWB since he is so bad at building up but it can be argued that it was De gea's bad pass decision putting him in danger in the first place. Also, Dalot may not be good as him in defending 1vs1 but his technical ability and passing is so important if we want to play out from the back.

@CJSwansfan Жыл бұрын

In the Brentford vs United game, there were a few small details that I remember being contrary to the images shown here. Brentford had two strikers who sat in between cb and full back and a third midfielder who pushed up on Eriksen in the midfield pivot role. Arsenal play a 4231/4141 so the striker stays central in the first stage rather than the two forwards Brentford had inbetween Centre and Full back. Also, Brentford play a back 3 so that long ball option was well covered and United did not have the aerial threat to use that outlet against Brentford, as they did against Arsenal in Weghorst. Finally, United were trying to play it centrally before a switch to the full back/another midfielder against Brentford, here against Arsenal they play it to the full back before playing a direct through pass down the wing (an area where it takes longer for any potential turnover in possession and counter to take place).

@snakeman4614 Жыл бұрын

never thought about it this way it infuriated me so much when they united kept doing that as in the game vs brentford and arsenal it backfired but now it really seems more so an issue with the players rather than the setup if the press works for the oppposition

@ronanfitzpatrick1261 Жыл бұрын

Tbf for the Arsenal away game United were missing Dalot, Casemiro and Martial all of which seem to get the system. Was just unfortunate timing for playing the best team in the league atm. Game was always going to be close, fine margins & Arsenal were even better than I was expecting. Still nearly came away with something & played well all the same. After the City result I thought a win was possible and for 60min I thought it was, but Arsenal were relentless towards the end, and we struggled to get into their box. I think fatigue affected United a bit more, but again fine margins. Looking forward to the next time United play them. They're a hell of a challenge

@anonymousjohn6491 Жыл бұрын

Can’t see Arsenal being as good next season. Leicester 2016 flash in the pan vibes. No way Kroenke spends the £500m plus they need to be a consistent contender.

@andrasszabo1570 Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousjohn6491 Were Arsenal just promoted 2 seasons ago? Did they just barely stay up last season? Do they have a Championship squad? Arsenal bottomed out at 8th, and even then they had won the FA Cup and the Community Shield. It's ludicrous to compare them to Leicester. What team has spent 500 m? You didn't give an interval, do you mean in a year? Even for Chelsea and Man City who don't care about financial losses it had taken a decade to spend that much money.

@ryan123pop Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousjohn6491 need to remember leicester lost a few players season after.

@jkeat8597 Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousjohn6491 Arsenal has the youngest team in the league, they will only get better.

@Deehydrate Жыл бұрын

Can we get a tactical Overview of Anthony Martials role under ten Hag? A lot of people think he is lazy because they dont see his runs without the ball

@dancingcar8974 Жыл бұрын

Only bad thing of him is that he is made up of glass!!😬

@samt7676 Жыл бұрын

@@dancingcar8974 and his passing

@silasbirdsell1490 Жыл бұрын

and his touch

@samn90834 Жыл бұрын

@@silasbirdsell1490 there is absolutely nothing wrong with Martials first touch

@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын

@@silasbirdsell1490 His first touch is generally quite good. He's got good vision and decent hold-up play, decent link-up play. He's just an inconsistent player who *appears* to have a poor work-ethic and perennial injury woes.

@leftbeef4403 Жыл бұрын

Somebody I'd said this already but tifo always makes videos of stuff I never think about but I'm glad I know now.

@Chris-zs6fd Жыл бұрын

Eeeexcellent video Jon, I really enjoyed a tiny detail being expanded like this. I normally struggle to engage myself in tactics videos, but this one I was engaged with from the beginning :)

@sharkdom Жыл бұрын

The old school answer to this question used to be " because the keeper can't kick it far enough"

@gluestix17 Жыл бұрын

finally a manager under which people like Tifo make tactical videos about MUFC. so glad to have ETH at the wheel

@silasbirdsell1490 Жыл бұрын

Really excellent explanation of a small detail in the game. I think this really brings us closer to the level of analysis which is being used by professionals within the game

@chukwuemekaorji9331 Жыл бұрын

I really love your analysis everytime so spot on

@Soulsbyproductions Жыл бұрын

Would love a video on why any top teams have been monitoring Gordon. Is this just a home grown thing or do the stats add up to much

@BlackChrishi Жыл бұрын

Yeah coz the Newcastle and Chelsea 60M links were wild...

@Soulsbyproductions Жыл бұрын

Having watched him play, he isn't worth half that... Maybe it's one of those things where the underlying stats show he's on the verge of being great. Eye test is a no though

@gabsskater Жыл бұрын

His only highlights are his frosted tips

@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын

If you watched the first few of games of Everton's season, he played really well, and scored a couple of really good goals against Brentford and Leeds. This was just before the end of the summer transfer window when Chelsea bid for him. I think a lot of clubs are banking on the fact that he lost motivation when a deal to top club didn't go through. His wages are only around 13 k p.w (and this is *after* he signed a new deal with Everton after that window), so that could have contributed to his loss in form. I don't personally think he's worth that kind of money, and seems to have had some attitude issues as well.

@akamiguelsanchez9985 Жыл бұрын

What I really appreciate about TIFO/The Athletic is how they always explain quite niche concepts or statistics in inclusive ways

@AA-sr5mr Жыл бұрын

I have to say it, these videos are the most incredible and knowledgable football content I've ever seen, thanks so much guys. I love it

@AqueleRod Жыл бұрын

Amazing, that was a masterclass on the subject. Great work!

@jonnynsofor Жыл бұрын

Great video! I’ve noticed Arsenal passing straight back to the Ramsdale from kick off a lot and I think it’s for a similar reason of the unpredictable ability to go to either side.

@JoaoMoriera2 Жыл бұрын

I read earlier in the season that it's also to trigger the opposition's press right up to Ramsdale who promptly does a little lob over the pressing attackers. Seemed to work quite well against Liverpool at the Emirates.

@eliad6543 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation, I liked it a lot

@joemadden4817 Жыл бұрын

Big fan of this video. Explained so well. 10 out of 10 👍

@lukewiles1 Жыл бұрын

great breakdown!

@AaronnMan Жыл бұрын

Thnx a lot ❤

@Ry-tr4xy Жыл бұрын

I've always wondered this but just assumed the defender had a better goal kick than the keeper & didn't notice going short

@kennethm.4998 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant insight 👏

@grandtechnical4111 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation! However - what's to stop the keeper passing to Martinez, therefore initiating Arsenal's press on that side, who passes it straight back to De Gea so he can then flip it immediately to the other side?

@jameslock9275 Жыл бұрын

I noticed this today on the Arsenal v city game. Makes so much sense now

@chetk8413 Жыл бұрын

Learnt more from this than most other commentators who just babble on about random tactics they just make up!

@ruisilva2798 Жыл бұрын

This is great content.

@somendrajadon8798 Жыл бұрын

Good explanation. Although the entire point could've been conveyed in 3-4 min max

@jeziiman Жыл бұрын

As a norwegian, I've never heard a brit with a better pronounciation of Ødegaard than you. Well done

@sochonik1139 Жыл бұрын

Once again an eyeopening video

@nevilleachero8054 Жыл бұрын

I remember watching a video when Pep Guardiola was at Bayern the executives prevented him from playing Neur in midfield, so do you think that might be a tactical evolution for gk to feel comfortable playing in midfield when out of possession?

@Flash4ML Жыл бұрын

Nah, the risk of leaving the net open will always outweigh any advantage that a GK in the outfield will give. Even with a completely capable ball-playing GK, when the opposition can score from a single midfield turnover, it's just not worth it. I think that GKs will continue to tactically trend towards the sweeper-keeper format, but it's just about reached its limit, they won't take it much farther

@alexhoward5501 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, the boys I coach are going to be doing this next season.

@isairuiz461 Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy how a seemingly small change in football tactics can radically change the way an opposing team has to play. Wild!

@MrPlacy Жыл бұрын

Loving that tee shirt

@tacticaltouchgrassrootssoc1548 Жыл бұрын

To built up plat like that the GK must be as comfortable on the ball as the out field players.

@nharikrishna7818 Жыл бұрын

Top notch from tifo. The best

@ziich1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@rorrt Жыл бұрын

From reading the title, I thought it was because ten Hag was on his driver to work and saw a bunch of year 6'ers playing a game of footie and saw the classic strat of having a boy who can HOOF the ball as far up the pitch as possible on goal kicks.

@chrisrioboli6357 Жыл бұрын

Where is the jersey art from??

@kayitamoses8580 Жыл бұрын

In such situations I just love Carvajal , he'll show how much Spanish he is in the build up

@marcusson1983 Жыл бұрын

excellent video

@denzil_red Жыл бұрын

I used to have to get a CB to take goalkicks while having knee issues. Always assumed this would be the cause in most cases.

@videomakville Жыл бұрын

In the first scenario, DDG to Martinez to Shaw, brings the press to the left with an overload. Can't a ball over the top, switching the play to Dalot side relieve the pressure?

@josephchambers4509 Жыл бұрын

Man the benefits of this are so obvious once pointed out! Fascinating

@nicknack2570 Жыл бұрын

I saw this in the game, and both times just ends up with De Gea hitting a long ball anyway, so what is the point in passing short? When it’s just going long anyway. I could understand Vs a lesser quality pressing team, but was arsenal, top of league for a reason. I wonder what brighton do against top team.

@angeerkihun Жыл бұрын

ETH explained this philosophy earlier in the year. Sometimes you want to induce the press so that you have a numbers superiority further up the field. Basically if the opponent presses you really aggressively play a long ball forward where you have the numbers. If they don't press aggressively enough try to play through the press.

@JTTTTTGGGGG Жыл бұрын

@@angeerkihun this makes perfect sense. Disappointed that Tifo missed this 🤦🏻‍♂️

@__tyrone_ Жыл бұрын

How you watch football: 👀 How Tifo watch football: 👁👁

@mehkzkhem Жыл бұрын

amazing!

@clobbopus_used_beat Жыл бұрын

Smart analysis I wonder who is doing it like Tifo

@kaikwon1604 Жыл бұрын

i thought only goalies with a weak distribution in goal kicks let defenders took goal kicks, which why i did goal kicks since my goalie didnt have range.

@eliad6543 Жыл бұрын

That can still be true, but I suppose in your case you'd be sending a long ball - the stuff in the video is only different because the team is looking to build out from the back

@crispykneecaps7209 Жыл бұрын

Also they changed the rules fairly recently to allow short goal kicks within the penalty box. This pass would not have been allowed before the rule change.

@22many77 Жыл бұрын

Johnny Mack is a clever T-shirt kinda guy.

@daynos Жыл бұрын

All of two seconds more. As the keeper makes the pass one way or the other we’re back to exactly the same scenario. That’s not how you beat a high press. Which is why it didn’t work.

@TheMypanther1234 Жыл бұрын

The comment I agree with. Tifo makes great insightful videos but this is not of them.

@henrymarks1632 Жыл бұрын

‘Yeeeeeet’ - 💀

@abythomasmathew902 Жыл бұрын

So after the ball is passed back to De Gea aren't they back in the same situation as Dea Gea taking the goal kick? 🤔

@crispykneecaps7209 Жыл бұрын

But de Gea has to stay in the middle to protect the goal if something goes wrong. So the defender passes him the ball and the opposition doesn't know if de Gea will go left or right.

@abythomasmathew902 Жыл бұрын

@@crispykneecaps7209 When De Gea first takes the goal kick he can pass the ball right or left. Isn't the situation same when he receives the pass from Martinez?

@crispykneecaps7209 Жыл бұрын

@@abythomasmathew902 but when the defender plays the ball the opponents will enter the penalty area and deGea can choose to go left, right, short or long based on how the opponents press.

@sijankhan7796 Жыл бұрын

@@abythomasmathew902 this becomes an issue when you have both center backs start around the 6 yard box. When the goal kick is taken, it then becomes easier for one or two forwards to press all three players at once, since forwards will enter the penalty box for the press

@jonathanbolger6173 Жыл бұрын

Wow great explanation. I thought it looked funny, They're doing this a lot, but I knew there had to be a reason because its intentional.

@roosee4179 Жыл бұрын

ETH is so smart. A tactical video on united ole. Didn’t even know what tactics is.

@j.alexander7554 Жыл бұрын

Here I was thinking it was because Ten Hag thought De Gea isn't good at taking long kicks

@Stunnnna Жыл бұрын

Love it

@d1nesh._223 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jon

@FantasticMrFox_ Жыл бұрын

Someone send Gary Neville this. Further proof ex-pros shouldn't be given a free path to TV punditry.

@dipeshvaria2372 Жыл бұрын

Spot on. There should always be at least one person with the highest possible coaching qualifications in the studio to provide actual analysis. Instead, what do we get - Micah, cos he's a good laugh. Jamie Redknapp, cos he's got a telegenic face. Sky/BT/BBC/Amazon, please do something new!

@MrAdrien1999 Жыл бұрын

I was asking myself that the other day when I was at the arsenal game vs man u, was standing behind the goal and i kept asking myself that…

@Sam-gf6ue Жыл бұрын

You forget that DeGea could also play a long ball and it be more unexpected allowing united to be in a better position to win the 2nd ball

@matthewbaughan7073 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting 🤔

@TheMypanther1234 Жыл бұрын

De gea kicking it first time or kicking it after a pass from Martinez seems like the same thing to me. Both times Arsenal players will be in same starting position. Both times Arsenal players can initiate the one sided press once de gea chooses a side to pass to. I find it difficult to understand Tifo's analysis here.

@crispykneecaps7209 Жыл бұрын

I think it's because once the goal kick is taken the opponents are allowed to enter the penalty area. The opponents have to make a decision of how to press when the ball is at de Gea's feet and he can decide to pass left, right, short or long based on exactly how the opponents press.

@Sam-rf1cz Жыл бұрын

@@crispykneecaps7209 Makes perfect sense, thanks. I had the same thought as the original commenter.

@TheMypanther1234 Жыл бұрын

@Crispy Kneecaps that’s a good point 👍

@frandsensoerren9673 Жыл бұрын

Ohh he’s actually good. He’s just not as slow and careful about retaining the audience on transitions as Alex was. Good job

@stevenmaciel2392 Жыл бұрын

Bro this isnt new the top defender goal scorer was ronald koeman which has one of the best free kicks he’s mile away from second place of the the most defender goal scorer which is Sergio rams

@williamfolkes8094 Жыл бұрын

Could arsenal just hold in their pressing formation and just trigger once the ball leaves the keeper’s feet? Cause all Man U did was add one extra pass to trigger the press. What if Arsenal just didn’t react?

@nickraoyj Жыл бұрын

While De Gea sucks at distribution, let's not forget that he also barely has any presence in the box, not claiming enough crosses and corners, at best just flapping or punching them away. All these reasons point to him potentially being demoted to a number 2 GK next season if Ten Hag actually gets financially backed by the board to sign a top-class modern sweeper GK.

@ryan123pop Жыл бұрын

De Gea's distribution is definitely not good enough despite the improvement he has made for United to play out from the back. Same goes to AWB with his technical ability too. Modern football is no longer for a player to be one-dimensional anymore. Will also need an elite ball carrier CM too since Eriksen is not good enough for the first phase of the build up. Should be a rotational especially starting against the lower team since we can easily skip to the second phase of build up where he is the best at it. Werghost though has been so good so far from what I see. I would like United to sign him permanently as a back up if possible.

@alistairwall5470 Жыл бұрын

Yeeeeeet

@ricodon876 Жыл бұрын

Ten hag is so damn smart love it man

@evansaleeby5186 Жыл бұрын

Arsenal have been doing this for over a season.

@maxmilburn6130 Жыл бұрын

Jon “yeet” Mackenzie

@garfellow5038 Жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't arsenal just treat that first pass from Martinez like it didn't happen? Once de gea has the ball it's basically the same starting position as a regular goal kick, the only difference being there's been 1 pass already

@dbandos2618 Жыл бұрын

Love the subliminal T-shirt ❤

@kevinedwin7020 Жыл бұрын

Cant believe that its Man utd is being talked about as tactic innovators....what incredible times

@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын

It is pretty shocking but we have a great manager now.

@voetstryer Жыл бұрын

Football you beautiful game!

@emmanuelwillams7688 Жыл бұрын

Small details like this....Ten hag is a technician

@EncikKenny Жыл бұрын

Graham Potter... please take note.

@jimdog9020 Жыл бұрын

Just hoof it forward like the good old days, geez!

@sendyofindia Жыл бұрын

I go left ? Or right… forget it.. I go straight 🏃‍♂️

@brownomaivboje3432 Жыл бұрын

Ten hag master class🙇🏽‍♂️✨

@jehyeongsuh7689 Жыл бұрын

I took the goal-kicks as a CB in our school football tournament LMAO guess I'm destined to be a great coach

@San10deep Жыл бұрын

Best T-Shirt ever😂😂😂🙏🙏🙏

@dipeshvaria2372 Жыл бұрын

Gary Neville was baffled by this in the Sky commentary box. What is the point of pundits if they can't explain what's happening everywhere on the pitch at all times? I often watch on mute and provide my own analysis.

@andresgirardo8481 Жыл бұрын

I thought De Gea was going to retain possesion until the end of the match because of arsenal uncertainties.

@Hieillua Жыл бұрын

irrelevant suggestion: tifo should start a shorts channel

@kaickoliveira725 Жыл бұрын

Such a shame people cant reproduce seconds of the game in video...

@NightProductionsDK Жыл бұрын

Are we gonna have a Arsenal v city video?

@galacticjellyfish9971 Жыл бұрын

3rd 😔 I was wondering this

@slmtz2458 Жыл бұрын

Because thats why!!😎😎

@OzyMandias13 Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure it’s, “Yeet Or Be Yeeten”

@greyFCB Жыл бұрын

Barcelona have been doing this for a year or so already.

@AM2K2 Жыл бұрын

They play in a farmers league though

@prsancho Жыл бұрын

Why don’t they simply kick the ball long like in the good old days?

@ecletic_EnBeE Жыл бұрын

De Gea is poor with his feet as well. A Keeper who actually could captilise on this would show its benefit. Turning on the ball, changing direction. really trying to throw off attackers press.