Ultra beasts had a reason they were so powerfull, half the stats were all they needed

All the fossils were designed to have some kind of drawback, until Galar

​@@thomasthetrain3715 even those aren't really true fossiles because they were mashed up all wrong lol

​@@thomasthetrain3715 Yes, the Rock type

@@IloveHildasfeet yea, i agree

I agree

The most obvious example is Murkrow

Azumarill instantly popes into my mind

Like Clefable?

I read the quagsire theory xd, which applies perfectly

Did they die out because Rampardos kept headbutting Bastidons and they just killed each other over time? Like smashing a rock with another rock?

​@@iforgotmyname1669 Nah, it's like smashing 2 M&Ms together - the loser breaks, and the winner doesn't.

Gen 4 design, everyone

@@Lardo137 I understood that reference

seems like with both of them having either the best defense stat or best attack stat, the creators were so worried about them being overpowered that they just made sure they didn't have anything else

I have a simple way to buff aggron simply swap his part rock typing for a part dragon typing and give him a good recovery move.

The person above me said we need a new Ubers mon

@@ultimapower6950 I have an even better idea. Ask Gamefreak to give him a mega stone.

​@@professorhal8098 Mega Aggron already exists. Dude is literally PURE STEEL, and has Filter. An ability that literally HALVES all Super effective damage!

​@@ultimapower6950 wont have stab headsmash

At least the regular one doesn’t have quad weaknesses that make it’s bulk pointless. The Hisuian form feels like a bad joke.

For real. I mean, they not only gave it a horrid defensive typing, they gave it a tiny, insignificant Speed buff for literally no apparent reason.

The best thing that has happened to Avalugg in Gen9, is that it has a way to not be an Ice Pokèmon at all. Is it a waste of a Terastal? Maybe, but damn at least Avalugg isn't THAT bad now.

There's something funny about the Rock-type more often than not being a liability to a dual-type Like, you'd just kinda assume it's basically Diet Steel™️, still pretty defensive just not quite so much, but it couldn't be further than the truth Although I guess there always has to be at least one type that is more of a hindrance, like Poison in Gen1 Nevermind the fact that it gives Psychics a means to obliterate and the nonexistent attack pool Poison had, but the immunity to the Poison status means nothing because it basically shouldn't turn up anyway, as all Poison does is prevent application the more impactful statuses in the form of Paralysis, Sleep, and the odd Freeze, so nobody would/should be running anything that inflicts it

Y'know what, just to further dunk on Rock, it really needs to be hammered in that Rock is *NOT* a defensive type, and I don't get why even FSG says it is It has 5 weaknesses and 4 resistances, with 3 or 4 of those weaknesses being _very_ common in offense [Water, Fighting, Ground, and maybe Grass], and all the resistances having debatable relevancy on average Maybe the Fire one is fairly relevant, but admittedly I don't know how much Normal, Poison, and Flying come up for one to want to factor in resisting them, and even then, you'll never guess what other type _also_ resists all 3 of those [hint: Starts with an "S", ends with an "L"] Rock is basically in the same exact boat as Ice is, just a hindrance in defense, but in offense it's pretty great, there's a reason Stealth Rocks and Stone Miss are important to have after all

And it's also got a meme niche of being the most powerful attacker

It’s the butter bot of Pokémon

​@@thehiddenninja3428Yes, He is a doubled edged sword. Litteraly.

thnx for the recap :p

@@thehiddenninja3428ain’t that kyogre?

In those first 2 gens someone at game freak was cooking. Like how chansey with those minmaxed to the fullest stats is one of the first pokemon? And like both shuckle and chansey have something to do with cooking(chansey has an egg and shuckle can make a berry juice), so mastermind behind this minmax even predicted this let him cook meme. Wild

Early Pokemon was more of a Single Player game than a weird chess RPG multiplayer game. Having weird ultra specialized Pokemon that do ONE THING isn't too bad when you only have to take down 2-3 Pokemon. Shuckle just got Fuckled because it's a Gen 2 Pokemon and GameFreak is too busy making modern Single Player Pokemon like UBs, Paradoxes and Hisuians busted.

​@BaD Remember in gen 1 chansey had base 105 special, and so could hit pretty had as well.

@@jjquinn295 Facts. Gen 1 Chansey is one of the hardest to get in-game and also one of the best in the game if you knew how to play to its strengths.

@@blackpow3r Yeah, the fact that the best Pokemon are the hardest to obtain is intentional. Chansey and Tauros are very rare, Snorlax and the legendaries are limited, Alakazam and Gengar need to be traded.

just think shuckle with 100 hp and its defences, easly ou tier for it defences because of its move pool except for no direct recover except rest.

​@@baldrian22 with 100 HP and 200 defenses it is the best mixed wall in the game, what do you mean ou

Shuckle also has shell smash + contrary too boost it's defences into the 2000's. I have lost games to a shuckle with overwhelming defences. After one shell smash boost, even super effective attacks only do like 20% damage tops and it is free to toxic/rest/Infestation as it pleases. It becomes so defensive that it actually "beats" the bastiodon theorem as it's defence alone does make it powerful. But it can still be easily beat with a pokemon with taunt or immunity to being poisoned. So it's still not perfect and only works if you catch your opponent off guard. Also a lucky critical hit will probably kill it.

Also if you're feeling particularly evil, you can use a contrary shell smash toxic infestation rest set with chesto but that gets beaten by any inmediately strong water or rock type or literally any magic bounce, magic guard or taunt user so it's just a gimmick Edit: nvm someone already mentioned the unholy shuckle set

​@@baldrian22 In Radical Red its uu just for having 40 hp instead of 20. It turns it doent have an hp boost. It does get Solid Rock which virtually removes all of its type weaknesses.

Toxapex has trash hp but amazing defenses and it was essentially the perfect defensive pokemon, so this statement isn't really true

Arguably, shuckle is also a decent pokemon, given they had a legitimate niche in ubers for a not insignificant number of generations. (don't forget shuckle theoretically has the highest attack stat in the game if he wants)

@@Aluberthefunnistreamer yeah but hes also hard carried by Regenerator

That's just a single factor in what can make a Pokemon bad defensively. There's way more to it. I mean, Toxapex itself has amazing defenses but horrible HP. The reason Pex works and not Dusknoir is because it has things that Noir doesn't have that lets it effectively wall. It has an amazing defensive typing with only three weaknesses and EIGHT resists to common offensive types, as opposed to Noir only being pure ghost and resisting very little outside of two immunities, one of which barely matters, and two somewhat mediocre resists. In addition, Toxapex has access to multiple forms of recovery. The base move itself, Black Sludge for an item, Regenerator for its HA... It can stick around, and even if it leaves it's gonna come back bolstered up. Noir doesn't have any recovery outside of Pain Split which is gimmicky and doesn't work well. And lastly, it provides valuable utility in not only spreading burns through scald, but a very important trait in having Knock Off, which cripples many pokemon hoping to try and stick in on it. In addition to possibly screwing over opposing walls. All Noir can do is burn. Burning is solid, but it can't do anything otherwise. Granted Toxapex is in a pretty sore spot nowadays thanks to having many of its tools stripped away, but it still proves how something with high defenses and low HP can work where something else failed. Because it has the means to bolster its defensive prowess, where something else couldn't.

​@@Aluberthefunnistreamerthe type is also a huge help

Never thought I'd need a sequel

The Shuckle Corollary

The Emboar theorem: why balance isn’t everything

@@IloveHildasfeetGlalie theorem

Ninjask theorem for speed Squakabilly theorem for abilities Eelektross theorem for movepool

Question: Would a steel/ice typing be better than a pure ice typing (since that’s the only other typing I could see Hisuian Avalugg having)

@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 If hisuian Avalugg had a Ice/Steel typing, then It would have a 4x weakness to both fire & fighting with 2x weaknesses to Ground. I’m only doing the type match ups for it so if anyone else wants to add more info they can just reply

They also gave it 10 more points to both attack and speed at the cost of SpAtt and SpDef. Negligible overall, so it's odd that they went to the trouble of doing that. I guess it's meant to be a more offensive version so it's a good attacker in Trick Room. But ironically, it would lose to its Kalos form since it gets outslowed and takes more from Body Press.

@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 i'd say it's better than pure ice at least though ice is horrible typing together with rock and grass those are bottom of the barrel defensive typings

Ironically, Hisuian Avalugg is the more interesting option in Pokemon GO PvP, since bulk is much more important there (and Hisuian Avalugg's stats in the original games gave it a better distribution of stats in Pokemon GO). The rock type also helps more than it hinders because it counters its ice-type weakness to fire and threatens back fire types with rock stab. Having rock and ice stab at the same time threatens an impressive number of pokemon in the meta with at least one of those weakness, and also gives a broad neutral coverage to many water and fighting pokemon that would take advantage of Hisuian Avallugg's rock side (it still suffers a lot to deal with steel types, although it´s not totally helpless against them). Rock type resistance to Flying and to Normal is pretty interesting to have too. Basically, Hisuian Avalugg can fight back much more efficiently its type disavantages in GO because of the mechanics of that game. Not a top tier pokemon, but pretty much usable.

Dragapult falls into this category too

The other factor being gale wings I wonder what would of happened if it wasn’t nerfed how relevant would it still be

Brave Bird was the least of your worries when talonflame hit the field. As good as priority in that move was Roost with Priority was far more irritating especially with Talonflame spreading Burns with Will-o-Wisp, taunts your utillity Mons and pivots around with U-Turn. Sure Brave Bird was an excellent Lategame move for cleaning the field but not all why Galewings was so strong :P

That's easy though with literally zero complexity: if you're faster than everything then your offensive stats don't matter because slapping on a Choice item completely removes that downside in the most braindead simple manner imaginable. Give literally any pokemon in the game with the most mediocre of attacking stats priority on a high BP move, then they're instantly overpowered and centralize the entire game around them out of sheer bad game design. The typing of the attack doesn't even matter, considering how this happened with a Grass type once (the type that everyone calls ass in terms of offense) and had a similar effect, because this dynamic is just that overwhelmingly broken. This happened again with Rilaboom with Grassy Glide, then is happening again with Tera Normal Dragonist with Extreme Speed AND Palafin in general. Pokemon's devs used to have a brain via knowing that priority moves need to either not hit hard or have a caveat that can easily be worked around (Sucker Punch), then proceeded to lose that brain and make several generations in a row of seeing the exact reason why those caveats were needed over and over again and never seeming to learn in the dumbest way possible.

@@AshenDust_ I mean it's got 120 Attack and 100 Special attack, that's pretty freaking great with it's only problem is that it doesn't have shadow claw

Is that even needed, it's clearly the Carnotaurus pokemon not the Shield face pokemon.

@@milonchello1643 Don't you think it looks more like a Pachycephalosaurus?

@@Hammerbruder99 yeah, but my point still stands, even if bastiodon is also based on a cool dinosaur its design is not as cool as rampardos.

That happened in the anime. They bickered over which was better between offense and defense, and they battled each other using Rampardos and Bastiodon. The episode is called "Ancient Family Matters." I won't tell you who won, but it is worth a watch!

@@milonchello1643 Disagree, I think Bastiodon looks way better.

Also heavy duty boots helps avalugg a LOT

Tera ground Avalugg can take a plus 2 close combat in sun from great tusk.

+1 Haxorus did 50% with Close Combat to my Avalugg

Man Ice/Ground was right there 🤦🏾

​@@obiwancannoli1920Haxorus's attack is massive so it makes sense. You also probably didn't have max physical defense, or did you?

the HP stat isn't even shuckle's main issue (except when it faces seismic toss etc.) as it is STILL almost as bulky as friggin Registeel. The problem with Shuckle is .... everything else, basically.

I remember seeing the datamines for it on the Smogon forums alongside the moves and ability it had a week prior to SM’s release. Some said it would be very good, but I can see those who thought it would be bad due to low base HP and offenses.

people were so naive back then

Knock Off saved it from being passive blob.

Toxapex was annoying because you had to figure out first if it was special or physical defensive. Guess wrong and you lost an item, got scald burned or had layer of Toxic Spikes on your side of the field 🤢👍 fun to deal with... not

@@geometryemperor And before Gen 9, Scald basically let Toxapex get away with free damage while crippling roughly half of the offensive Pokemon, and reliable Toxic and/or Baneful Bunker allowed it to punish opposing walls and attackers pretty easily. And why not slap on a Rocky Helmet to further punish physical attackers while you're at it? Toxapex basically could do no wrong in Gens 7 and 8 And then Gen 9 slapped it in the face and stole everything from it

Everytime i see that monstrosity of a set i die inside a little

People usually rage quit when I used that back in OR/AS online battles

I always referred to Bastiodon as a steel clad Shuckle, so I'm not really surprised by this, lol

Lmao, ditching Rock as a defensive type is its best quality as that is the biggest factor holding Garga back

​@@breloommaster12 *only factor

The only reason garg is fair is because of the typing lol

@@RockHoward256 I guess now I need to build a Garganacl...

Most people are Sinnoh fans since gen 4 was voted the best gen in like every single vote and if it wasn’t best then it was 2nd best

​@@MrMonkey2150 to be fair, Gens 3, 4 and 5 were the peak of old pokemon.

@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 deffo

I always hated how limiting rock typing was to fossil pokemon, always thought it was kinda dumb they always felt like they had to slap that onto them just because they were fossils originally.

Rampardos' type isn't the problem. It's speed is.

Just look them up

​@@captainmega6310no, shut up

@@captainmega6310 That's bad video design Unless you intend to be second monitor content

Yeah but not at the same time

You've got this massive ghostly behemoth and then a sword and shield wielding itself walks in and decimates it

They'd still be kinda bad because of their collective low Spd and bad defensive typing. Staying in would be a nightmare, but at least they'd be able to take one non-4x super effective hit?

​​@@sharpeylogic2907 you seem to missing the point, he wants to take Rampardos's Defensive Stats, Bastiodon's offensive stats, and put them into one really bad pokemon. Hence the use of the word Abysmal.

Itd be Wishiwashi

Pokémon Infinite Fusion

Bastiodon/Rampardos from Infinite fusion HP: 72 ATK: 127 DEF: 96 SPE.ATK: 53 SPE.DEF: 108 SPEED: 48 TOTAL: 504 Rock type Both movesets

😔

For Clef, I think that the immunity to passive damage, combined with instant healing and good utility (pretty sure it has one of the biggest movepools in the franchise, with Knock Off being part of it). It’s durable enough, immune to being whittled by sand or rocks, and it’s unpredictable

@@borby4584Yep, Magic Guard is one of the things that makes it really good to use as a wall and and an attacker thanks to no Life Orb recoil. Plus Unaware and mono Fairy typing.

At the end of the day, Pokemon have to be well-rounded enough, even if they're very specialized, that they can do what they intend to do. Kartana is arguably one of the best attackers in OU history because of its high offenses and speed. But it also has good typing and a good defense stat to let it switch in, as well as decent coverage to not get walled by too many things, as well as an outstanding ability. Deoxys Attack may be the most specialized attacker out there, with an inability to switch into almost any attack thanks to its low defenses and lackluster defensive typing, but because it has very high speed and offenses as well as great coverage, it works (or at least it used to).

Another thing that makes Clefable great defensively is that it also has another good ability in unaware, which has been proven to be great on other Pokemon such as Quagsire most notably, and more recently, Skeledirge. While magic guard is great for immunity to any type of passive damage, there has been at least one generation so far that unaware has been preferred due to it letting it treat set up Pokemon (and possibly even the boost from choice band/specs, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong here) as though their stats never changed. All this is in addition to it having a good defensive type and solid movepool to work with as well

@@matthewkuscienko4616 Unaware does not ignore the boosts from Specs and Band

well Body Press is a start

Taunt devours these sets. Subs don't even block Taunt, leading to finding very few opportunities to use Toxic or Rest. Even if you can Rest, it leaves you a sitting duck for two turns that can be capitalized on unless you have Sleep Talk. You should always have at least one attacking move, so you're not complete setup fodder.

One of the best SubToxicProtect mons in the game is ironically Salazzle. That one Pokemon that ISN'T even defensive.

​@@GhostbusterPalu you sacrifice 25% of your HP and don't even negate taunt because sub doesn't block it

@@GhostbusterPalu Could be a bit more cordial.

more like either terrible type combination or lack of movepool / things to do. Shuckle has better effective defenses than deoxys and aegislash if you factor in both it's hp and defense values, the main thing holding it back is not it's low hp stat (something both of those other pokemon also don't have much off). Thing that makes those other pokemon work while shuckle doesn't is the fact that deoxys-defense has recover to reliably keep it topped off while aegislash has ways to threaten the opponent. The central difference is these other mons do things while shuckle has the lowest attack stat in the game, no speed, no good moves etc

The worst part is how Zamazenta had to share in zacian’s Gen 9 nerfs despite doing nothing wrong. At least it got body press.

Seeing Zamazenta use howl as a setup move like a level 7 poochyena was simply depressing to see

If it got body press it would be loads better

They should at least have given it Iron Defense (equal to Zacian's Sword Dance) and made Behemoth Bash scale with DEF. Better yet, give it Cosmic Power, Body Press, and Recover.

Being a jack of all trades tends to only be good ever if you're also a master of all Mew has 100s across the board and he's kind of ok (gen 1 non withstanding) , Arceus has 120s across the board and he's Ubers

@@brunop.8745 Arceus and Mew are both backed by their movepools which are as extensive as a movepool gets to be( bar Smeargle's), effectively making them "Masters of all" as you say, if you look at other extremely balanced mons like Silvally you'll notice that their lack of direction causes them to fall off.

@@tehrik0020 you know what, that's a fair point

It's almost never good. Few mons can god mix attack ever since the phys/special split, like dnite and only really in gen 4...

I would say that the Electivire theorem is more about how being able to hit so many different types super effectively doesn't always translate to being a good offensive Pokemon. I would hardly call Electivire a jack of all trades as it's not very durable at all and it's speed and special attack could both arguably be better for an offensive Pokemon

In the case of the Quagsire theorem that you mentioned, I think a good example of this could very well be Sableye is gen5: prior to then, the only thing it really had going for it was a type combination that had zero weaknesses, but this didn't mean a ton on something with as pitifully low stats as Sableye. But after it got prankster as it's hidden ability, it suddenly became decent and was able to fulfill a niche, even becoming better than the statistically stronger Spiritomb

Marshadow falls in the quagsire theorem as well, 125 attack isn't amazing, but it's techinician + shadow sneak, unresisted STAB combination in any game that he's in, and spectral thief that made Marshadow and absolute monster to deal with

The thing is that high HP + low defense mons _have_ been used to some capacity in lower tiers before; defensive Hariyama has been the most successful of these high HP/low defenses walls throughout the generations, while Wailord and Guzzlord have had their defensive niches in their respective debut generations of NU due to their good resistances. Heck, Drifblim is one of the best defensive Pokémon of current Gen 9 NU today. Wigglytuff has NEVER been a successful defensive wall; the most success it ever saw as a bulky Mon was in Gen 2 NU, and Gen 2 had max EVs for all stats so Wiggly's awful bulk, speed, and mediocre defensive typing was less pronounced.

​@@breloommaster12 yeah but it really doesn't help that wigglytuff has ALL defensive stats worse than hariyama

Ice needs Fairy resistance.

As a Canadian who loves ice and snow... I agree, it needs more resistances. Thick ice is incredibly resilient, lol.

Elec resistance and dragon

Or just stop making ice types bulky, slow walls. Make them like Weavile, Chien-Pao and Mamoswine (with Ice Shard).

​@@MK_ULTRA420Water and Flying resistance

A lot of people have mentioned this, so it's defo not just you

Unfortunately most of us viewers know the stats by heart and they probably know that so it's unlikely to usually be included in a easy to see way. The information being readily available online would be another reason they don't.

@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I get they have an educated audience and why they might not include it (editing, redundant, so on) but I think it makes it more accessible, gives more specific stats to compare, and imo looking up stats mid video bc I’m curious is inconvenient when it would seem easy to include and give more to look at/think about. Anyway, just my opinion like I said, cheers fellow trainer. Pop quiz! Without looking it up, what is Wigglytuff’s base stat spread? ;)

@@GreenBastard646 you're definitely right but another point with the info being readily available is great to cut time in the editing process. I haven't seen or used a wigglituff in 15 years competitively (as a joke) but I'm thinking 140 hp, 70 attack, 50 defense, 60 special attack, 55 special defense and 50 speed

@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS yeah that’s what I’m thinking, the less unnecessary info they have to put in the better. I’m just a rusty poke player that doesn’t keep up much besides these vids. And like you said (and proved), people generally know the stats. But I’d have to give you an A- because wigglytuff (since I looked it up) has a special attack of 85! Every other stat you got pretty much on point impressively…

Contrary shell smash sets would be cancer if paired with a magnet pull user. Either the opponents got a perish song trapper, a poison type with recovery, or their magic guard user has to pray shuckle didnt forgo infestation or toxic for gastro acid

Troll Freak at its best 😅

I suppose they wanted to have it used exclusively as a TR mon, else Mountain Gale makes no sense whatsoever. Then again, why give it extra Speed over standard Avalugg if it's not supposed to use it? Hell if I know, GF sometimes just makes weird stuff and goes with it.

And they gave it strong jaw despite having a whole two moves boosted by it. Not even its signature move, when stuff like Sharpness Kleavor exists. Why did they do this.

Yeah, high speed isn't everything, Electrode has meager stats, and it's movepool is just dogshit

Except speed honestly is everything. Think of every pokemon that literally only had speed going for them, and they at least had a niche as a hyper offense lead or start of a baton pass chain in the case of speed boosters.

@@kyklous3657 Yeah. Look at Origin Palkia and Dialga. They're pretty much universally accepted as an absolutely trash form change, with Dialga being comically bad, but Palkia gets a second look because a slight buff to Speed is worth everything tied up in the garbage form.

Electrode is the only thing in Gen 1 that can safely put a Thunderwave on Mewtwo because it's the only thing that safely outspeeds it. Its speed can win you games even though its base stats really shouldn't. Electrode's problem is its barren movepool more so than its focus on speed and even then, it can still go boom before its opponent can do anything. Speed is so much more valuable than any other stat in this game, you'd kinda be hard pressed trying to find enough Pokémon that specialize in it and don't use it well to make a list. Jumpluff and Dugtrio, maybe?

@Rainpooper Hisuian Electrode fixes those problems and I can see it being really annoying when it comes to S/V

​​@@rainpooper7088 Yeah, Electrode had a niche in Gen 1 to paralyze Mewtwo, a niche almost nobody tries to exploit since Mewtwo almost always run Rest. Outside of that, it's always been a mediocre mon. You also have Jumpluff and Dugtrio (save from the times Arena Trap wasn't banned), as you mentioned yourself. You also have Ninjask, being useless out of Baton Pass teams. You also have Salazzle, which is worthless. You also have Jolteon, being one of the fastest Pokémon in the first two Gens, and also one of the worst Eeveelutions ever. You also have Floatzel, who hasn't even been a decent Swift Swim Pokémon until Gen 9. You also have Crobat, Swellow, and even Noivern, whose Speed stats haven't been able to keep them revelant. Hell, even Gen 1 OU King, Tauros, was outclassed in Gen 5 by its bulkier, much slower counterpart Bouffalant. So yes, let me tell you, there's plenty of Pokémon who can't make good use of their Speed.

Being Ice type spells your doom as a defensive Pokémon

And either with Shedninja or separately, something that covers great stat bad mons like Slaking and Silvally would be great too.

Both those are actually solid though. Shedinja is very meta dependent, but for years was actually excellent in Ubers, as a catch all answer to Kyogre, Xerneas, most Mewtwo, and so on. It could play interesting games around pokemon like Deoxys and Aegislash, and has an interesting pivot role in dealing with Primal Groudon. It's fallen off, mostly because every single new box legendary and their extended family gets built in Mold Breaker, but, them's the breaks. Ninjask only disappeared because Baton Pass got banned. And to a partial extent because Scolipede is Cooler Ninjask, but even then Ninjask has a few niches over it. It would still be menacing people if not for that.

Invalid cuz they both had a pretty good niche

It just means that Avalugg was placed in generations where gimmicks counteract its stuff, but even that is a compliment since basically making new Pokémon out of Bastiodon, Wigglytuff, and Dusknoir are required to make those Pokémon usable in competitive.

eviolite shuckle would be the real W out of this

@@jameshuntington8644 eviolite power trick Shuckle

495 is pretty high for a BST. If it needs to evolve, it needs to be at most 550 (Ursaring and Bisharp have 500 and 490 BSTs in general and both their evolutions are 550), but it needs to have stats lowered in the process. As most regular Pokémon have BSTs up to 540 save for a few.

If it makes you feel better I’m thinking of giving Ice resistances to Water and Electric as well as replacing Stealth Rocks with an Electric Type counterpart of it.

No no no, it's a clear indication that they were *EXCELLENTLY* designed. They are fossil pokemon, they went extinct for a reason, competitive pokemon shows you that reason. The were intentionally designed to be a noob trap, because they are fossil pokemon that went extinct due to their ineffective survival strategy.

On purpose, as a joke.

@@Hydrocannon is that a Kung Pow reference

@@brunop.8745 Haven't watched the sho myself, but I've seen the memes. So yeah, it could be?

@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 I'd disagree somewhat there. Game Freak almost certainly design Pokemon for in-game playthroughs first, everything else second. They don't make deliberately bad "trap" Pokemon. Intentionally bad Pokemon normally have some kind of caveat, like "Magikarp and Feebas are awful and can't even attack when you get them, but once you evolve both they're some of the best Water types in the game," "Ralts has terrible stats for two forms and then Gardevoir and Gallade are both great," and "Abra can't fight and it's a pain in the arse to catch without being prepared, but it's actually got great stats for a first-stage and its evolutions continue the trend." That or they're explicitly jokes, like Farfetch'd and Dunsparce. Rampardos and Bastiodon both function perfectly fine in story playthroughs, as do most Pokemon. Bastiodon even makes a good Nuzlocke Pokemon, as, provided you can predict Fighting and Ground moves, it's a god-tier pivot.

No, Deoxys hits too hard, probably Ninjask

The Electrode Theorem

​@@glacierwolf2155 I'd go with Persian Theroum personally. 115 speed is still pretty fast even by today's standards, and it's movepool is something many would envy. But it can't hit hard or take a hit well.

Even the worst of the speedsters can still try to pull off some utility/disruption before they get taken down; even Wugtrio can Memento something before it bites the dust anyway

The speed theorum has too many asterisks. Take a pokemon, give it tons of speed and nothing else, and someone has figured out SOMETHING good to do with it. It might not be the best, but they're not on the level of Rampardos and Baztiodon. Ninjask almost is, but that's not because Ninjask is bad, but because Ninjask's thing has been banned. It'd probably be like UU otherwise, and only UU because Scolipede is Cooler Ninjask

Dusknoir should have 65 HP, 45 attack and 100 sp attack. But 65 speed is better tho

When was that gimmick dropped exactly? Galar fossils were the last fossils we've had period, and they were clearly exceptions