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Why Diablo 4 Players Hate Last Epoch | Rhykker Reacts

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Rhykker

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@Frostylaroo
@Frostylaroo 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for reacting to my video!! I really do appreciate it! .... I love your videos and your Diablo lore videos are amazing. No Sarcasm here
@Mont3000
@Mont3000 6 ай бұрын
I didn't know how terribly good D4 was until I watched your video. It's almost unbelievable really for a AAA, godfather of aRPGs to make.
@minkles1330
@minkles1330 6 ай бұрын
So glad we have D4 and don't have to put up with such rubbish as LE, I mean, who do they think they are?.... sheesh1
@MrSkeezymak
@MrSkeezymak 6 ай бұрын
Get back to your yellow items sir
@karmaketon236
@karmaketon236 6 ай бұрын
Bro you made me buy Ultimate edition upgrade in Last Epoch despite I bought it for 10$ 3 years ago.
@Syx6sicS
@Syx6sicS 6 ай бұрын
Ultimate Edition purchased. Im level 30 Acolyte (Lich) and I have never had.more fun in an ARPG. I played D3 and D4 and this blows them both out of the water.
@hotpancakes9814
@hotpancakes9814 6 ай бұрын
i wish the skill tree in D4 actually modified the skills like in LE, instead of relying on items. i honestly hate it that items modify skills, doesn’t make sense to me. items should support the build, not create it
@MrGoesBoom
@MrGoesBoom 6 ай бұрын
yeah, wow and Diablo all the power is from items, the character themselves is useless it feels.
@banishedbr
@banishedbr 6 ай бұрын
in LE items do that too, the problem is not having the option in an arpg just confirms it s not an arpg with options to chose, that is only one part why d3/4 is trash
@gregorh.3919
@gregorh.3919 6 ай бұрын
I wouldn't go so far. Items should be able to make the character really powerful. That's the main grind and what's fun about ARPGs. You want Items that buff your character that you can grind for. Not like it is in D4, the grind + crafting in D4 is garbage. It destroys every aspect of grinding. imho atleast.
@vengeful8gaming776
@vengeful8gaming776 6 ай бұрын
Try d3 you'll thank me later yeah you get your 24 abilities to pick from but hey you want your barb spin to win to spit fire balls and the tornados making a big tornado by combining? Sure have it. D4 logic, it hurts my brain cause they had everything done right besides the open world engagements in d3. D3 the bosses feel so good and there phases are wild. D4- make big enemy, let him stand still and hit things. Ooogabooga kinda vibes lol
@USConnexion
@USConnexion 6 ай бұрын
Stop wishing play last epoch next week
@TonyLS9A
@TonyLS9A 6 ай бұрын
Just started LE yesterday. What a fun experience. It’s a crying shame Blizzard hadn’t done an ARPG before D4 or they might’ve learned some lessons. /s
@Szabysvk
@Szabysvk 6 ай бұрын
I started LE on Friday, I expected it to be a cheap ARPG, I loved it in the first 1hour I played it ...I said, I will save everything else for release since its soo close....but got addicted andkept playing and already at level 40, and the spell leveling and loot drops are SOOO exciting and rewarding
@mapron1
@mapron1 6 ай бұрын
@@Szabysvk Does LE monster spawn system (everything spawn under your feet, not placed on map) bother you? because it is the reason I stopped playing LE after 6 hours, too annoying.
@Szabysvk
@Szabysvk 6 ай бұрын
Nope, the moment I have to chaces monsters around the map or backtrack for them? I liked it kinda in D3, but I am out, D4 just made it unbearable for me ...@@mapron1
@mrlacksoriginality4877
@mrlacksoriginality4877 6 ай бұрын
@@mapron1 I've played through the game twice. I've never even known it was a problem if it wasn't for you pointing it out. It sounds like your build is weak. Did you upgrade your skills and allocate your skills in your class skill tree? They are two different things.
@mapron1
@mapron1 6 ай бұрын
@@mrlacksoriginality4877 yep. I don't feel I was doing bad damage, quite opposite actually, killing with one cast. I am not talking about my damage, I ask why people don't get same (BUG?) as I. when I watch other LE videos, ppl have monsters placed on map, but I have empy map and spawns on top of my head as I walk. I restarted game several times and it kept the same.
@Kurosakio
@Kurosakio 6 ай бұрын
Lost Epoch had my attention before their delay and now I'm sure that the Last Epoch team have been watching the D4 discourse and going, "Don't do that, and that, and that, and... how do they still have a playerbase?!"
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
What baffles me about blizzard is how in their right minds they didnt use a PTR, half the backlash they had could have instantly been solved with public test realms. All those balancing fuck around they had etc. in a ptr its like well this feels awful, blizz can you change it please, but instead they released it on live and it felt shitty asf.
@Szabysvk
@Szabysvk 6 ай бұрын
They had alpha, and 2 closed betas, you have countless of videos of youtubers who had access to those phases, told them what they liked and did not like, and they just got ignored, or it turned even worse ...so ptr would not make a difference at all, thats why there isn´t one . @@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
@@Mysterious-Fox-01 whether its worth the price is purely subjective. I feel like i more then got my moneys worth with diablo 4, however there are games with more to offer. Diablo 4's biggest issues is how terribly the devs are taking it aswell as easily dismissing the fans issues with the game and taking too long to fix problems.
@99range92def
@99range92def 6 ай бұрын
Yeah like wow solves issues with ptr aka still needing 50% boss nerfs.@@ashleygoggs5679
@commander_fu6457
@commander_fu6457 6 ай бұрын
Unlike d4 devs, Last Epoch devs actually play their game. The LE devs are actually arpg players themselves.
@thapsico26
@thapsico26 6 ай бұрын
Impressive the amount of people who just comment BEFORE actually watching... It's a sarcastic video, no need to say you don't hate Last Epoch 🤦🏻‍♂️
@TehPwnographer
@TehPwnographer 6 ай бұрын
They didn’t even make it 4 seconds into the video lmao
@ItzSath
@ItzSath 6 ай бұрын
Sarcasm on the internet? how dare you?!
@Kurosakio
@Kurosakio 6 ай бұрын
The endless mode is straight out of Grim Dawn and I love it!
@TheSwamper
@TheSwamper 6 ай бұрын
Loot filters should also include the option to either auto-sell or auto-salvage everything you don't want.
@SamuelDancause
@SamuelDancause 6 ай бұрын
The Slormancer does that and I don't understand why other games don't.
@megajoe7699
@megajoe7699 6 ай бұрын
Emotional Damage
@thearcadeforum
@thearcadeforum 6 ай бұрын
Hahahaha
@bloodyax8070
@bloodyax8070 6 ай бұрын
I heard his voice
@slickperspective2745
@slickperspective2745 6 ай бұрын
Good idea. D4 could add that affixes into their items, "Emotional Damage X%"
@patrickhickey1355
@patrickhickey1355 6 ай бұрын
🤣
@danii5630
@danii5630 6 ай бұрын
Where is it in the video?!?😂
@Bild0zer
@Bild0zer 6 ай бұрын
6:29 you’re missing the point, the loot filer is built in because it feeds the crafting system, along with the volume of drops. The devs have said, most item drops are meant to be left alone, unless it has something for the build you are playing.
@Mont3000
@Mont3000 6 ай бұрын
Yes, feeding your crafting needs is imperative and this filter is the best
@Fandelgore
@Fandelgore 6 ай бұрын
I feel like rhykker is also thinking about how fucking awful d4 itemization is and is considering the rework in s4 as part of that solution.
@michaeltihon3485
@michaeltihon3485 6 ай бұрын
It's great to see major streamers reacting to this gem of a video. Blizzard deserves the sarcasm and EHG deserves the praise. See you on the 21th.
@Jaguar2kicks
@Jaguar2kicks 6 ай бұрын
Agree, the skill tree in LE is what I always wanted in an ARPG. Thats why I put over 1100 hours into it lol
@MrGoesBoom
@MrGoesBoom 6 ай бұрын
I'm burnt out on buying games on release, but Last Epoch has had my attention since you first mentioned it. Looking forward to seeing how it's launch goes
@FreeSki4Life720
@FreeSki4Life720 6 ай бұрын
Been playing LE since 2018 and I've had fun with it the whole time. It's had a pretty extensive early access and open beta so I wouldn't be too worried about launch.
@WojDestroyer
@WojDestroyer 6 ай бұрын
Grim Dawn has pretty neat loot filter, same for Titan Quest duh
@i_am_ergo
@i_am_ergo 6 ай бұрын
I spent 80 hours in Grim Dawn. The only thing that kept me going was the hope that it would eventually get fun, because people told me it would get fun by the end of normal difficulty. I beat normal, continued to play and progress, but it was just more of the same. It never became fun. The loot system (and particularly the resistances), the reputation grind, the bosses (save for the final one) and the story were so unbelievably dull that I thought they made them bad on purpose. I liked the dual-class system, the enemy in-fighting, the secret rooms, the chunky sound design and the rate of level progression. The loot filter was alright - too bad its core purpose was to filter slightly dull items out of a sea of super dull ones. Not a bad game at all, but just really unexciting. Oh, and holy shit, it had some of the worst voice acting I've heard in my 20+ years of gaming.
@WojDestroyer
@WojDestroyer 6 ай бұрын
@@i_am_ergo idk what dull or whatever is wrong with campaign coz I freakin love it and I would pay 100$ for next expansion to continue story or even better Grim Dawn 2! I like GD very much and I know my share of games in my 17 years of gaming on PC not counting PS 1 years :)
@absolute8342
@absolute8342 6 ай бұрын
Grim Dawns probably my favorite arpg and I've played pretty much all of them
@metallboy25
@metallboy25 6 ай бұрын
​@@absolute8342Yours and the 5 other people in its fanbase.
@absolute8342
@absolute8342 6 ай бұрын
@@metallboy25 I don't know the reason for the hostility but you should try grim dawn instead of hissing at people from the sidelines. You might like it
@MurkyConspiracy
@MurkyConspiracy 6 ай бұрын
I hope you cover a lot more Last Epoch!!! I haven't been this excited for an ARPG in a long time. Keep it up
@elliotromero4411
@elliotromero4411 6 ай бұрын
Does it need to load everyone's chest when you login?
@metallboy25
@metallboy25 6 ай бұрын
Yes it does. Not only the stash of everyone who is online, but everyone who is offline as well. Its just a huge limitation in the technology we currently have.
@devilmaycry57
@devilmaycry57 6 ай бұрын
Our chests, comrade
@erich4925
@erich4925 6 ай бұрын
I played for 94 hours back in 2021, beat the campaign at the time and have been patiently waiting for it to hit 1.0 so I can enjoy all the new features and gameplay. Very excited for release and hope the development team has a successful launch. A lot of blood, sweat, and tears went into this passion project over the years.
@jitterbug726
@jitterbug726 6 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat. I haven't played since I got to endgame in early 2022 and it looks like this game has reached the right state. Can't wait to rediscover this gem in 1.0
@Exiled_Rouge
@Exiled_Rouge 6 ай бұрын
I find Rhykker's reactions to other videos. He has a great sense of humor and always sober take.
@utmastuh
@utmastuh 6 ай бұрын
Were asmon and DM not sober when reacting to this vid? That would be fun to see them react drunk 😂
@Nateanderthal
@Nateanderthal 6 ай бұрын
The idea of giving every ability its own talent tree was something I had thought of literally 20 years ago when wow came out, it always made sense to me that every ability should have its own choices instead of an overarching pre-designed set of choices. In the game that we are building we plan on doing something similar but maybe not with as many choices since it's a rogue lite.
@mapron1
@mapron1 6 ай бұрын
We have this in D4 in veeeeeeeeery restricted form, where you can choose between 2 options for skills (being said, this choice in 90% is abysmal). That probably again going against their vision of appealing to casuals and "you can not possible make bad build if you spent all you points and actually cast skills you selected". I see no easy solution how to keep this casual-friendly and still have depth of LE in it.
@metallboy25
@metallboy25 6 ай бұрын
​@@mapron1The D4 bs is nothing like what he is describing. 😂
@Enzorn84
@Enzorn84 6 ай бұрын
It's worth mentioning every time the concept of a loot filter comes up for PoE, that not having a loot filter can literally crash your game. When people think it's unplayable that means screen clutter. Not having one will cause so much to show up that the clutter will just outright kick you to desktop, and brick your map. So much worse than just screen clutter on it's own.
@mikevaleriano9557
@mikevaleriano9557 6 ай бұрын
"There's nothing wrong with current D4 crafting system". Now I now Rhykker is not serious.
@buddybarlow9604
@buddybarlow9604 6 ай бұрын
d4 cope is very strong
@cwhit2575
@cwhit2575 6 ай бұрын
He cannot slam blizzard too hard
@firestrike001
@firestrike001 6 ай бұрын
Rhykker tries pretty hard to not be too negative about Diablo, he's always been like that, but I love how even he had troubles finding positive things to say, haha! Really shows how flawed D4 is.
@patcantin9325
@patcantin9325 6 ай бұрын
I got to season 2 lvl 27... Just got sick of looking at all rare items, so i stopped pickin em up, then i realized i would probably leave my gg items on the ground. Never got to lvl 28 ... Unistalled the game. That's the story of D4 for me ...
@Szabysvk
@Szabysvk 6 ай бұрын
I pre-ordered D4, started leveling a druid , got to level 100, only thing that made me not quit was that I was in a group I found on discord and we were leveling together and everything was new and fresh, on season 1 I got to level 60 and quit, on season 2 I got to level 10, said fuck this, I am not doing this shit again, and uninstalled
@boomertowngaming5947
@boomertowngaming5947 6 ай бұрын
Thank god on Feb 21st we’ll stop seeing d4 critique videos and we’ll actually start seeing true content creation.
@MarkusKayl_
@MarkusKayl_ 6 ай бұрын
no we won't, as negative videos bring more clicks..so...now they will try to find bad things in LE
@maximeheroux6696
@maximeheroux6696 6 ай бұрын
@Rhykker what do you think of LE graphics and Monster+Players motion animations compare to D4? Keep up the good work!
@jo-fhreycorpuz
@jo-fhreycorpuz 6 ай бұрын
Diablo should be the pinnacle of Diablo-like games. Like Dark souls on souls like.
@lordknight7482
@lordknight7482 6 ай бұрын
When I brought Diablo 4 I thought I would play for 100+ hours but really played for less than 10. Last epoch hopefully fills that void
@VicJang
@VicJang 6 ай бұрын
I’ve watched the original videos and several reactions already, and I think your commentary is the best. You provide useful information about the game, and you left out parts of the video to give viewers a reason to go watch the original. I like the others reactions too, but yours is different in a good way.
@Davivd2
@Davivd2 6 ай бұрын
You can have 3 different players, playing the same class, using the same skills, and have 3 different characters. I love that about LE.
@sol5916
@sol5916 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been playing this game for years. It truly does blow the other arpg’s out of the water, not just from the superior systems it has, but also in terms of gameplay too. It’s smooth as butter
@AllrightNOR
@AllrightNOR 6 ай бұрын
What I need: fun leveling experience, easy to switch builds(loudouts/armory), balanced, good end game. If LE has this I am sold
@Mont3000
@Mont3000 6 ай бұрын
​@AllrightNOR yes it does. I switched all the time. Whether it's just to try a skill or I got an item that adds to a skill I don't have. I just did that yesterday. Got a weapon with +3 Bear skill and respec'd with little consequence.
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
@@AllrightNOR i just swapped a few days ago to LE, so ill break down things from your comment and give my opinion. 1. yeh levelling wasnt so bad, the only downside is i didnt pay too much attention to the story some NPCS had voice overs while others didnt and you are expected to read, the only downside is there can be alot of dialogue which i found a little boring, so i completed the campaign and had no idea what it was about. But the progression is pretty fun, becuase your skills have trees you find yourself wanting to kill mobs in order to further get that next skill, especially the game changing ones where one skills makes a night and day difference to your build. However interms of the voice overs im sure some or most will be fixed on 1.0 release. 2. Switching builds yes and no, once you unlock your mastery/subclass you cannot go back on this so if you want to try out another subclass you have to level another character. However you can respec but its not as good as i would like. You have to go to a respec vendor and take out points individually and add them again. Its ok but not a great implementation, i would much rather have a clean all skill points option and start from a fresh approach or just both. Skill specialization can be changed whenever you want however there is a penalty system. For example if you have a skill that has levelled fully and you want to try another you can despecialize and add a new skill however you loose most of the point. In LE your level dictates the minimum skill points you can automatically add to a newly specialized skill, so if you respec you dont get all your point back but you dont loose them either. so for example out of 20ish skill points you respecialize and your new skill will have 10 not 20 so you still have to play the new build a little before you get a full idea of its capabilities. But your skills do level very fast so its not the biggest issue in the world. 3. I cant really speak about balance as ive had maybe only 24 hours in the game. So maybe a more elite fan could tell you more. 4. i just hit the endgame and so far its been pretty fun, Monoliths are like a just web of zones that have different rewards for target farming. So if you need a new ring you focus on zones that have rings. Every third of the progress on each monolith is a small story quest and at the end is a boss fight, which in all honesty are quite challenging if you just facetank everything, mechanics play a key roll which i really enjoyed. After each boss is killed you are rewarded with a very strong passive buff for you character, for example i have a buff for 45% void resist and 14% extra chance for items to roll with unique affixes. In monoliths there are some zones/nodes that can change the behaviour of the monolith aswell such as resetting the monolith so zones you already conquered are not classed as being unconquered so you can basically get rewards from them once again, you can reroll the rewards so if you already conquered the nodes with guaranteed uniques, you can re roll and hun for more guaranteed uniques. So far this has been my experience, its a little different at first but once you get used to the systems you quickly appreciate how well designed the game is. Its not perfect but when you look at the systems implemented and how fun the game is diablo just makes it look even better. To be honest for 35 bucks if you have it spare, id say just give it a go, you get a whole lot of game for 35 bucks.
@kris82461
@kris82461 6 ай бұрын
The only problem I have with it is with my audio. Plays smoothly but fighting packs makes the audio go static 😢
@Ballacha
@Ballacha 6 ай бұрын
i have about 300 hours in last epoch. tried every class and subclass. almost did every build. very fun game. but somehow not as replayble as d3. also, the way it punishes death by taking away loot in the monolith system just forces you to build your character in certain ways, taking away many fun builds that the extensive ability skill tree is supposed to give you. limited options in builds just bore you out of the end game activity, like many other arpgs. but i do think LE is worth the money even if you only decide to level all the subclasses to 50. afterall, the advertised "skill tree with every ability" is actual choice when leveling. it just becomes the illusion of choice in end game.
@XWynters
@XWynters 6 ай бұрын
I bought Last Epoch last week and my guide the skill tree is EVERYTHING, it gives you complexity without being overly complex.
@johnzillin9723
@johnzillin9723 6 ай бұрын
I bought the game 2 days ago and wow......It's night and day how much better the skill, itemization, crafting and specializations are in Last Epoch compared to Diablo 4, It just goes to show you don't need all the money in the world to make an interesting and fun game with the proper feedback and too be honest I don't really have hope for diablo 4 thanks to the aspect system and itemization as the game revolves around those mechanics.
@91Pulp
@91Pulp 6 ай бұрын
Diablo 4 players hate Last Epoch because they're masochists and hate being happy.
@pr0ximus
@pr0ximus 6 ай бұрын
I just wonder how can anyone be happy playing poe or last epoch, because you see only the map on your screen. Do you even know what you are doing there? How is it enjoyable? It would be better to play tabletop game. Now regarding diablo, it is only streams (most of them) are the ones who should hate themselves, because they found one build which works, best dungeon with most xp and they keep doing same thing. Well if you like to torture yourself, dont blame the game. If you say diablo is too simple, I have only one question. How many people in poe or last epoch are creating their own builds? Most of people just follows guides. Then what is your complain? That it is too easy to follow diablo guide comparing to poe or last epoch guide? Try to create your own for once and then complain.
@Jaguar2kicks
@Jaguar2kicks 6 ай бұрын
Because they don’t hate Last Epoch lol And to the dude up ^ there POE sucks, I love LE better. Lol
@hatrixlol3025
@hatrixlol3025 6 ай бұрын
All of y'all are wrong, raid shadow legends is the only.... Scrubs 🙄
@adammauer6424
@adammauer6424 6 ай бұрын
Diablo 4 haters seem to hate being happy consistently and daily running to any comment section on a Diablo video to tell ya all about it . What a way to live life 😂 bet you’re fun at parties narcissist
@captaininsulin2154
@captaininsulin2154 6 ай бұрын
I'm playing D4 still, and looking forward to LE release which I've been playing for years. Generally a happy and positive person!
@jimakosbilakis4982
@jimakosbilakis4982 6 ай бұрын
They can learn that graphics alone and a legendary name do not cost 70-100 $ when you have failed to all the basic ideas. We need games to be designed by gamers not shareholders.
@lukeclark2571
@lukeclark2571 6 ай бұрын
I’ve played 50+ hours of LE during early access. The skill tree system is without question the best in the genre. Crafting and loot filter help with itemization. The random affixes you can get on items is crazy random and you get a lot of good loot for other classes. Which can be good because you can trade it or give it to other people of that class
@adamjones6252
@adamjones6252 5 ай бұрын
Started playing yesterday. The ability skill trees are really good, actually packed with meaningful choices and power boosts.
@ALLmasked
@ALLmasked 6 ай бұрын
the only thing to gripe about epoch is that respecing/leveling skills takes out a lot of fun in low levels.
@gowzahr
@gowzahr 6 ай бұрын
My proposed solution to the loot problem: Instead of a loot filter, a loot probability tree. The more points you get and put into it, the greater the odds become that the loot you want will drop. For example, you could respec all your points into two-handed swords that deal frost damage if you're trying to find a particular legendary two-handed sword that deals frost damage.
@Mont3000
@Mont3000 6 ай бұрын
What if your playing with something but still looking for something else maye for an alt or a change if build. Regardless a robust loot filter is the answer to everyone's problem. Maybe your way could work if you had the option
@Xero_Kaiser
@Xero_Kaiser 6 ай бұрын
Last Epoch already has that in the form of Blessings/Echo rewards.
@gowzahr
@gowzahr 6 ай бұрын
@@Mont3000 if you're looking for something else, just reset your drop points and spend them accordingly.
@gowzahr
@gowzahr 6 ай бұрын
@@Xero_Kaiser what I'm imagining would go much farther than that, allowing the player to affect drop chances for all drops by a considerable amount. For example, at end game, you could have enough points to spend that 99.5% of all drops are rings that have x% of damage goes to mana.
@coroto
@coroto 6 ай бұрын
I still cant believe I spend that much money pre-ordering DIV delux version...
@tehdanny682
@tehdanny682 6 ай бұрын
Well, the best you can do now is not repeat the mistake, by not buying games which releases with multiple editions, or at least buy fewer of them and only the standard edition. Multiple editions is only good for the companies, not the gamers.
@undomielle1173
@undomielle1173 6 ай бұрын
About loot filter, in my opinion it is the best solution. If you change the amount of loot some people won’t get what they need. Loot filter gives everyone the real choice on what items they want to focus on and it can be very different from other players who plays different classes, builds, or who want to sell more or less stuff and so on. That's why in my opinion, this game's loot filter is the perfect balance to manage our loots the way we want.
@madprophetus
@madprophetus 6 ай бұрын
Things Diablo 4 can learn from Lost Epoch: 1. Game Design
@DaveGreco
@DaveGreco 6 ай бұрын
I'm a PoE and D2r player and also dislike Last epoch. Discuss.
@billthecanuck
@billthecanuck 6 ай бұрын
last epoch looks like a nice bridge between d3/d4 and poe. d3/d4 are both fairly simple... and poe is just way too complicated. looking forward to finally playing it once it releases
@gaberielpendragon
@gaberielpendragon 6 ай бұрын
A loot filter could fix the base problem if it converted all items that didn't meet your criteria into materials and or gold.
@feldon27
@feldon27 6 ай бұрын
Can a loot filter convert the season into being fun?
@SamuelDancause
@SamuelDancause 6 ай бұрын
The Slormancer does that and I don't understand why other games don't.
@gaberielpendragon
@gaberielpendragon 6 ай бұрын
@@feldon27 Fun is entirely based on personal perception. Anything can be fun, it just requires the right frame of mind.
@feldon27
@feldon27 6 ай бұрын
@@gaberielpendragon And a lack of options.
@gaberielpendragon
@gaberielpendragon 6 ай бұрын
@@feldon27 Plenty of options, should probably just look harder.
@marlowencna
@marlowencna 6 ай бұрын
Re: "skill tree" D4 revamp Base skill can be level up to 10 At level 5 unlock - all runes (think d3 runes) - choose 1 rune At level 10 unlock - Choose upto 2 runes (think support gems on POE) Simple enough but with better depth/customization than D4 has
@utmastuh
@utmastuh 6 ай бұрын
It's funny because we all get recommended the same KZfaq videos and then every streamer we follow reacts to the same video haha
@kaylemain2006
@kaylemain2006 6 ай бұрын
The LE skills tree is the same idea as PoE gems, skills being modified in functionality by your choices. It's not a thing unique to LE it's just that other ARPGs approach it differently. In PoE you actually have more freedom because in a way you are making your own "skill tree" by using gems to modify their behavior so you can also make your own plasma fireball that explodes. D4 is the exception in this where they don't give you real options to modify skills to your liking. Because they have learned nothing.
@ryanthompson4113
@ryanthompson4113 6 ай бұрын
ARPG Loot needs a loot filter due to the randomness of the drops. Hope it never changes, because that's what makes drops exciting. I do not want a homogenized loot system where I only get stuff that is my level and only useful to me. NO PITY LOOT SYSTEMS. Set up your filter to sift through the RNG and enjoy. That's what these games are about.
@killerfugu2659
@killerfugu2659 6 ай бұрын
Already played 250 hours of Last Epoch, i even had a few weeks where I;d finish work level a character and beat the story then want to do another character and did like 4 new games back to back because building the characters is so fun. Really happy to see the progress this game has had, bought it in 2019 May and the difference is vast but what made the original concept so good has been constantly expanded on
@timestimesx7535
@timestimesx7535 6 ай бұрын
Last Epoch feels like an actual game. D4 is more like an artwork that you can do stuff in. It pretty much ends when the story ends.
@Szabysvk
@Szabysvk 6 ай бұрын
Wait for 1.0 :D Last Epoch gets graphics update, and from the trailers, its on par with POE 2 , and massively better than D4
@SkillsBeyond
@SkillsBeyond 6 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Diablo VII to come out! By then we will have atleast 12 stash tabs!!!
@SimonGalarneau
@SimonGalarneau 6 ай бұрын
Hey Rhykker, just change the wording... Loot filter for .. 1-Reduce the stress on the server for trillion item drops. 2-Make a drop significant, just like your first ever unique drop in d1 or d2, remember how much you lost your Sh@t when it happened at the age of 10. You jumped around like your little sister when she saw The backstreet boys back then... something that actually trigger dopamine. 3-Prevent miss click. 4-Allow you to see all items on the ground, remember cows level... so much stuff the screen was moving and items were still appearing. Those are all positive things, I ain't started yet with negative things.
@halistinejenkins5289
@halistinejenkins5289 6 ай бұрын
i'm going to play this game for the offline mode. let alone all the other bonuses this game has.
@SsKdeadeye53
@SsKdeadeye53 6 ай бұрын
Big question in the room no one is asking is last epoch going to be released across all systems or exclusively on pc.?
@Semapriel
@Semapriel 6 ай бұрын
The devs have hinted that eventually, they would like to go to other platforms. But that right now is not in thier close priority list until later if possible. They are focused on the pc version for now. So answer is pc only currently
@Hidian21
@Hidian21 6 ай бұрын
Watched the video yesterday, and had a good laugh 😂 I love Last Epoch so much.
@deafgaming6077
@deafgaming6077 6 ай бұрын
D4 still better 😉and people still play online more!!! Last Epoch and POE not enough people online🤭
@Hidian21
@Hidian21 6 ай бұрын
@@deafgaming6077 Lol you are definitely welcome to your opinion 👍
@alcore
@alcore 6 ай бұрын
I'm super excited for LE!!
@bhoulihan
@bhoulihan 6 ай бұрын
Why did they stray so far from the ability runes in D3? I loved being able to change the effect and visuals of the abilities. Last Epoch looks pretty cool, wish it was launching on consoles.
@eMikecs
@eMikecs 6 ай бұрын
There was supposed to be a "rune word" system at launch of D4, which they shelved because it was apparently broken. (Same with sets) They are supposed to be similar to support gems in path of exile.
@mflax4331
@mflax4331 6 ай бұрын
I bought it today and played it for about 2 hours. 2 different characters to level 4 an to the first camp. I will start the other 3 chars in the next days. It has similarities to other games (maps are explored like PoE). I played several ARPGs: Diablo3, PoE, Grim Dawn, Titan Quest, Torchlight 1 & 2 - I still play those. I own them, I play them - no additional fees (I love that). I'm from Europe with Euro and I paid 34 of that for a brandnew fully developed game. As I intend to play offline and alone, I have a fully functioning game right now. Authorization needs a connection to steam AND the developer - so this takes time to get in. But anything else is smooth. My only problem is to adjust to a slightly different mode of operation and a lack of knowledge about all my options. But as I am one of the guys who never reads a faqing FAQ - there is noone else to blame but me. For entertainment I might search for some nice person who makes some good and entertaining let's play videos. I found many good sources for my let's play abos of my other ARPGs. Thus I can play either my style, or watch what other players can do with the game. BTW I'm never following guides. Guides are made by people who play different from me and thus I would fail when I would try their style. Those give me ideas and I try those skills that fit MY playstyle. As I'm primarily a fungamer, I don't want to "work" in endgame. It's nice it is offered, but I don't need it. I want fun and I don't like to break my frustration meter.
@supremeboy
@supremeboy 6 ай бұрын
Rhykker has a lot fate in D4 and unreasonable expectations short term. The core problem with D4 is its casual audience goal. that eliminates majority of future things we want and LE actually delivered. Console gaming is one aspect that really ruins PC aRPG experience as game have to adapt into that. Also endgame is ether catered to 1% or 90% playerbase. LE has figured out that everyone can pace and get loot or fun no matter what you do or how much you play. THATS perfect aRPG and you dont need decree to understand it all like in PoE. Example i started LE week ago and got fun unique items when i was only level 20-40 and some were usable already for my class. THATS how aRPG should work not like D4 where endgame is all that matters. The road to endgame is also important
@kolai1987
@kolai1987 6 ай бұрын
D4 could have skill trees coming off of its skills that have their own points based on how many hard points you invest into the skill. That would be a simple implementation of this idea. I agree that a more complete leveling and customization system would be better.
@zyxony
@zyxony 6 ай бұрын
Decreasing the number of items dropping is not a good solution, because it limits crafting and build diversity, as it becomes harder to find the items needed. In more crafting heavy games like D2, LE or PoE, you need specific white/blue items to craft on, so cutting those drops hurt. Also, having character specific drops like in D4, limits crazy builds like a crossbow-wielding barbarian. It also reduces the chance of finding items that are great for alternate characters. In a casual game like D4, decreasing drops and having character specific drops might be the solution, but in a deep RPG that allows you to play however you want, there needs to be sufficient global drops to cater to all playstyles. That's why I think not limiting drops and having a loot filter is not just a 'band-aid', but a very good solution, as it allows a wide item drop base that is required for different playstyles, like challenge runs or crazy off-meta builds, etc. The other solutions like having vendors sell item bases, target farming, etc, bring about their own set of problems and does not fully replace the benefits of just having a wide and comprehensive item drop base.
@eleongo
@eleongo 6 ай бұрын
Regarding loot filter and redundant loots, I heard a complaint from another person, about why loot filter does not solve loot problem and why not juz redesign the whole loot table for end game contents to drop at least rare/epic as lowest rarity (for selling purposes) or various currencies to get rid of common loots. What are your thought?
@psydeliciousuniverse9373
@psydeliciousuniverse9373 6 ай бұрын
I had the same face of Rhykker at 5:56 for the whole video. But hey! From tomorrow we can craft Uber unique , smile ❤
@Wickerdrummer
@Wickerdrummer 6 ай бұрын
The reason for a tiny skill tree is only one: less work for devs in order to balance the game.
@MrGoesBoom
@MrGoesBoom 6 ай бұрын
even less work, make it so half the skills are useless! Seriously, how many of the skills in Diablo3/4 are only there as a speedbump to the skills you're actually gonna use?
@tartu2583
@tartu2583 6 ай бұрын
Less work to do and still can't do it right. Blizzard have not got a clue to wtf they are doing
@kolai1987
@kolai1987 6 ай бұрын
And they still can't balance it.
@animeislove2467
@animeislove2467 6 ай бұрын
small indie company 😂
@metallboy25
@metallboy25 6 ай бұрын
Ohh, so thats why D4 has the best balance of any game. I see.
@Pdox3
@Pdox3 6 ай бұрын
403 hours on LE and it still feels refreshing and fun. Highly recommended. Hype for 1.0.
@kazbeast1608
@kazbeast1608 6 ай бұрын
I'm not hating, but Path of Exile had a lot of this available well before LE. Skill gems with actual variations on the abilities, branching skill trees, tons of stash tabs available, etc. I"m still going to check out LE, but this feels more like LE took the good from a number of places, not just "We must be better than D4".
@TheMadJoker87
@TheMadJoker87 6 ай бұрын
a loot filter is not a solution to a problem in my opinion, its a tool to personalize your experience dynamically as you progress in the game "i just started, i need gear with stamina", "ok, im feeling decently powerful and unlocked a pet skill, now i want summon damage" "oh, i got this cool weapon with a lightning proc, i want to stack lightning damage now!" " the gear i have right now has the stats i want, but the rolls could be better, so im gonna filter items with low rolls, and anything that doesnt have the exact stats i want" "damn, i ran out of mats to roll X stat, im gonna whitelist items with that roll to disenchant them" "i want to level an alt now, maybe a warrior focused on axes, im gonna switch the filter to farm that gear on this toon" i dont see any problems here, i see endless posibilites and an amazing replayability
@temjiu9915
@temjiu9915 6 ай бұрын
The Beauty of Last Epochs skill system is it's complex, but it breaks it down into consumable chunks so it's not overwhelming like PoE's is. This is great for both casuals and hardline players, as it's easier to get into, but still has immense depth involved if you really want it. It's all the great stuff of PoE but without the overwhelming complexity that drives people away.
@chidori0117
@chidori0117 6 ай бұрын
What you said at the end, having different styles of play available also leads to more build variety. PoE for example does not have such a large build variety just because there are so many skills but also because there are more specialised ways to play. You have your cheap easy but not entirely powerfull league starters, your bossing builds, your mapping builds, delve builds, heist builds, sanctum farmers. Like at least 60-70 % of builds in PoE nobody would play if the game only had mapping.
@Bassplayermane
@Bassplayermane 6 ай бұрын
it's sad, but I think the diablo team for D3 resolved the needing a loot filter issue by having the pet pick up and salvage the trash gear. I just wish they would have translated that to d4
@jo-fhreycorpuz
@jo-fhreycorpuz 6 ай бұрын
I love Diablo but the company keeps disappointing . 😢😢😢
@wdemon85
@wdemon85 6 ай бұрын
I played D4 at launch with a sorcerer and had a blast. Took a little break to play other games and came back for season 3 to play barbarian and it’s still fun but I see why people get a little tired of the game. I think the game will definitely continue to improve but after three seasons the game felt a little different coming back in a good way. Nothing crazy different though. LE looks pretty good but I’m on console so there’s that.
@SuperJByrd
@SuperJByrd 6 ай бұрын
Anyone know if this game will be coming to consoles someday?
@implodingllama2092
@implodingllama2092 6 ай бұрын
Devs said they are planning for it but didn’t give a date. It was said on last epoch KZfaq channel, there’s a weekly Dev chat
@SuperJByrd
@SuperJByrd 6 ай бұрын
@@implodingllama2092 Cool, Thank you
@Nanarchy_2k7
@Nanarchy_2k7 6 ай бұрын
holy crap. My sarcasm detector overloaded and exploded! I need a sarcasm filter....
@QuantumKatmusic
@QuantumKatmusic 6 ай бұрын
I love the sarcastic backwards theme of this guy's video lol
@Peter_Parker69
@Peter_Parker69 6 ай бұрын
Glad D4 is getting some serious competition this year. And alternatives for people stuck in the "D4 bad but I can't stop playing cycle".
@victorvfn
@victorvfn 6 ай бұрын
The people who say D4 is bad are those fans of the franchise who can't accept that the game failed and are hoping for a miracle... Those who complain still worry, the day no one talks about it anymore means that the game is in fact dead (or has become good)
@Peter_Parker69
@Peter_Parker69 6 ай бұрын
​@@victorvfn I'm all for constructive critique and glad they've fixed a lot of the issues fans have pointed out. But I think we all can agree the backlash this game has gotten the last 6 month is disproportional to the actual quality of the game. When all potential newcomers see is down votes everywhere and online wars about how bad the state is, to the point of making it seem like even the core mechanics don't work for outsiders - We can't exactly say we're doing them a favor for the financial growth as fans. Imagine how demotivating it's been for devs working on this for years as well. I've been a fan of the franchise since D2 launched myself, and hope we can have a more reasonable or balanced tone in the future. They have proven they're listening and want to make it better for us now, so lets be actual fans and support them from here on is my two cents.
@Jedi44Master
@Jedi44Master 6 ай бұрын
@@Peter_Parker69Gotta remember online communities are small minorities. Theres tons of “consensus” online about how games should be but if you look at reality it rarely reflects that. Thats why so many titles receive huge backlash or drama online but still sell incredibly well.
@Anfa18
@Anfa18 6 ай бұрын
I'm fairly certain my first account of Last Epoch was from Rhykker in mid 2019 and I purchased the game in November 2019. It's been great to see LE getting some big attention on the eve of release.
@Mr_Tracy_Cox
@Mr_Tracy_Cox 6 ай бұрын
I play with a group of buddies just about every night. We each have one of the two uber unique support stone. Nothing else has dropped and we spam HT, NMV, Malphas, Duriel. Have not seen an upgrade for the past four play sessions...salvaging HOARDS of useless loot.
@MaraxusHL
@MaraxusHL 6 ай бұрын
Crafting in D4: just copy&paste D3‘s system and you improve by a mile. Being able to craft yellow gear at certain levels for a certain slot as a bad luck fail save was great in D3 and would be great in D4, especially in HC.
@joshwent
@joshwent 6 ай бұрын
The skill trees in LE feel much more like an evolution of D3 than D4 does.
@banishedbr
@banishedbr 6 ай бұрын
not really, they are skill trees not one ooption, which is actually exactly hhow d4 is , d3 in disguise.
@-NeoKrieg
@-NeoKrieg 6 ай бұрын
​@@banishedbr I think they mean LE is more like D3 than D4 is. But I would say LE takes D2's skill tree and D3's runes and then some to make its skill trees.
@lifeloverNorris
@lifeloverNorris 6 ай бұрын
Way better, D3 doesn't even have a "tree". But ironically D4 is somehow worse in terms of the way you modify the skill. Bravo to Blizzard for somehow regressing from D3.
@bmpm844
@bmpm844 6 ай бұрын
Lmao, you diablo players are a treat. Do you even think any decent arpg player considers D3 a good arpg to follow? aahahahahaha LE devs are D2 and POE players, the true ARPGs in the market, not the dogshit mobile eye candy arpgs that are D3 and D4 KEKW
@joshwent
@joshwent 6 ай бұрын
@@bmpm844 I'm not A Diablo player. And you, my friend, are misdirecting your anger.
@Wythemo
@Wythemo 6 ай бұрын
D4- Depending on your items, adjust your skill build. Then try to find more items that synergies with each other. Once you have partial items for the skill set, you won’t have a meaningful drop until you find a few specific items that augments your skills for the build. This is what made D3 boring for most of the players because most of the pieces we wait are set items. LE- you make the skill set then collect items that makes your build stronger. Simply set the filter to show affixes that would make you stronger and just collect all of them. You can extract them to forge other items so they are always worth something. Forging is meaningful and you have to put work on it. I love this part. Keep things interesting. D2 resolved this issue with runes. Runes are always worth keeping and makes you happy regardless what you will eventually use it for.
@iacobescuionut2459
@iacobescuionut2459 6 ай бұрын
But what none one is mention about the Last epoch skills is that you lvl up the skill by making xp with the skill after you equip the skill in you skill bar, but the skill xp is slower then the lvl xp and at high lvl when you respack the skill you get xp accelerator and depends what lvl is you character. The skills max lvl is 20 and if you are lets say lvl 80+ you get accelerator till skill lvl is 20 and you lvl it very fast in monolith lvl 100 corruption is 1 run, like a gr rift in d3 1 rift and skill is lvl 20 and you can have skills pots + up to 4 and you skill gets lvl 24 but that means you have +4 skill points in your tree is not actually lvl 24, you can add that 4 extra points in the tree where you want and you can make it even more powerfull.
@Toettcher
@Toettcher 6 ай бұрын
I 100% agree that the last epoch tree design is the best I’ve seen. If D4 just steals this idea it will set itself up so much better
@jaubury
@jaubury 6 ай бұрын
I was really looking to D4. The reality is that im now really enjoying Grim Dawn for the first time, and will be picking up Last Epoc very shortly! Will get D4 in a year or so when its on sale for £15 and play for the story.
@thequestline2227
@thequestline2227 6 ай бұрын
I disagree a little with the loot filter points you made. Solving the base problem would mean removing items that, while not for your build and level, might strongly inspire your next build. I mainly play Grim Dawn, it does have a loot filter, but I use limited sorting because so many build ideas are presented by drops.
@mattm8870
@mattm8870 6 ай бұрын
From what I can see the need for a loot filter is directly connected to amount of build variety you allow from items. As the less variety in items the less items you need to hand out for the player to find a good one and get the dopamine hit. There's two solutions allow item variety and add a loot filter hide the unwanted items and reduce loot overload or dont have a loot filter and have items stats be mostly fixed but this makes items boring.
@Zombgetsu
@Zombgetsu 6 ай бұрын
How about we not put this level of expectation on blizzard... we would accept a warhammer 40k inquisitor martyr level of d4
@irocboy728
@irocboy728 6 ай бұрын
Diablo 3 loot filter solution is my favorite... get your pet to pick it up and disassemble it for mats :)
@inc0rect2011
@inc0rect2011 6 ай бұрын
the LE lootfilter is super easy to work with. Also blue items are relevant all the time since you can break down affixes from those
@SilentSeventh
@SilentSeventh 6 ай бұрын
I’ve got about 200 hours into D4. Just started playing Last Epoch on the weekend, played for 12 hours. It’s so good! Hadn’t realized how bad D4 is
@ripflex2167
@ripflex2167 6 ай бұрын
As a fellow ALTaholic, it was a blessing in older MMOs and ARPGs that enabled me to roll a new ALT and "Twink" them with early game OP gear... The enabling was real back in the day.
@Tyrbris
@Tyrbris 6 ай бұрын
I bought Last Epoch last night after nearly dying of boredom in season 3, and it was quite the breath of fresh air.
@jacobangelica4395
@jacobangelica4395 6 ай бұрын
Targeted looting and build variety are the only two things I liked in last epoch
@Lucyller
@Lucyller 6 ай бұрын
small addup at 4:40 : it's great, unless you cannot drop the said affix for a long period of time or get locked into a bad gear because you don't have the affix in stock to put it into another better helmet or whatever. It's cool in concept but so, so flawed in a hour to hour gameplay.
@ExtremeFighter
@ExtremeFighter 6 ай бұрын
D4 should ABSOLUTELY inprove their crafting system based on LE. I can't wait for the Season 4 announcement
@knifemeetsface
@knifemeetsface 6 ай бұрын
20:04 grim dawn did this and it was great.
@kobzev01
@kobzev01 6 ай бұрын
I like how in D4 you can put 5 points into Fireball and the only thing it does is +3% per point. In D2 each point in Fireball made you much much stronger.
@scottd52843
@scottd52843 6 ай бұрын
A lot of POE and LE players don't want a "check the box" kind of experience. It's more about character building over roll playing. I think D4 was trying to be more like Lost Ark.
@Keira_Blackstone
@Keira_Blackstone 6 ай бұрын
is lost ark more of a story game? I bounced off it pretty hard. the character designs were so juvenile I felt embarrassed playing it, and I completely lost count of the number of times in the story I got a boss to like 10% before they stunned me and an npc showed up and killed them and got all the praise for it. that combined with the obviously predatory monetization and I decided it was better if I just didn't get invested in it. Though one criticism I have of LE is that the story is so incredibly thin it might as well not even have one.
@scottd52843
@scottd52843 6 ай бұрын
@@Keira_Blackstone Lost Ark is a massive open world type of game where you can sail between areas that you progress to. It has many ARPG elements, but it also has daily tasks, massive pay to win points and check lists that have to be done before you can progress. The characters are somewhat based in the anime style because it was created by the Koreans.
@nailee7428
@nailee7428 6 ай бұрын
I've played through the story of LE several times in early access and I just love it. The skill tree is a masterpiece, crafting system is great and I also like the subclass option which give us even more classes that we can try and they all feel very different. Such a great game, cannot wait for launch.
@L1ghthouse
@L1ghthouse 6 ай бұрын
Please make a Last Epoch lore/story video series! It's desperately needed.
@DirtRabbit
@DirtRabbit 6 ай бұрын
In regards to the loot filter and the “core problem” If you only play one character then ya, sure, the “core problem” applies here. However, if you plan on making alts then it is entirely possible that you want to find gear for your alt while playing another character. There is also the “Hey, this weird crazy item just dropped, maybe I’ll make another character and build around it!” Soooo… I think loot filters are the best solution that gives players agency to decide for themselves what they want to see. The “core problem” isn’t really a “core” problem. It’s your personal problem, but it isn’t “core” to the global experience of the game.
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