Why did Columbus think hiring Babcock was a good idea? - OverDrive | Part 1 | Sep 18th 2023

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Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss the weekend matchups between O’Win Willson and Hayes & Co., how to classify Hayes as a football manager and the Maple Leafs golf tournament and the additions impact on the team this season. They also chat about Mike Babcock’s resignation from the Columbus Blue Jackets, the developments over the weekend that led to him not continuing as the Blue Jackets head coach and more.

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@Rationalist411
@Rationalist411 9 ай бұрын
20:27 is what you clicked for.
@loreti29
@loreti29 9 ай бұрын
thank you, this clickbait stuff is annoying
@derekfoley1200
@derekfoley1200 9 ай бұрын
MVP
@mgguygardening
@mgguygardening 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I wish they'd put time stamps on the subjects.
@Broncos18
@Broncos18 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Jesus
@dotconnector76
@dotconnector76 9 ай бұрын
@Rationalist411 -thanks
@DogoodPOG
@DogoodPOG 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the upload
@matthewnoto9380
@matthewnoto9380 9 ай бұрын
"The Line" was...finally...drawn with the Chicago sexual assault scandal, as far as a coach's behavior goes. Coaches are now under the microscope as never before. How much do you want to bet that Babcock was really trying to figure out if any of his players are gay? In any case, Babcock's problem is narcissism. This is classic manipulative NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) behavior, especially the inability to admit wrongdoing. The point is to gain insight into what his guys are into off the ice and what their personal life looks like, so as to hold it against them later on. It's part of the scam the NPD runs.
@jasperalberts7647
@jasperalberts7647 8 ай бұрын
It breaks the heart to think of how many depressive/anxious/substance abusing/self-harm initiating victims have been harmed by the largely still under-appreciated epidemic of NPD. It tears families apart and causes massive turnover in companies. Sadly social media and predatory sales/lending rewards narcissistic spectrum temperaments. Most Ns are beyond rehabilitation but yet are largely free to roam society.
@zigmej
@zigmej 8 ай бұрын
Well said guys. Thanks for speaking out about Baber.
@HonkyTonkHellraiser
@HonkyTonkHellraiser 9 ай бұрын
It's strange and weird because Babcock is strange and weird
@michaelb369
@michaelb369 9 ай бұрын
Love how O-dog just says it like it is
@jb1934
@jb1934 9 ай бұрын
My neighbour in town is neighbours with Babcock at the cottage. According to him, Babcock turns hockey right off at the end of the season and doesn't talk about it all summer long. He's obviously not embarrassed by this fubar, and he's not going to spend the rest of his life obsessing about it.
@mckessa17
@mckessa17 9 ай бұрын
Was Hayes a hockey player, I doubt it.
@rickma6363
@rickma6363 9 ай бұрын
@@mckessa17 OHL was the highest level he played. Barrie colts I think. O'Dog wore his jersey on air last Thursday or Friday.
@okyouknowwhatever
@okyouknowwhatever 9 ай бұрын
@@mckessa17 I think he played defence. Funny these guys pretty much covered all positions (goalies, D, forward) but still talks so much nonsense.
@mckessa17
@mckessa17 9 ай бұрын
@@okyouknowwhatever Hayes talks the most and has the least interesting things to say. O Dog says the least but brings up the best points.
@HonkyTonkHellraiser
@HonkyTonkHellraiser 9 ай бұрын
The more time Ryan Reaves is on the ice, the better chance the other team has to win.
@gordonbgraham
@gordonbgraham 9 ай бұрын
He's plus 2 in 108 playoff games...meaning his team is up 2 with him on the ice...in playoff hockey
@johnsmith7345
@johnsmith7345 9 ай бұрын
He cant get to a his fore check on this team
@ed230
@ed230 9 ай бұрын
Dubas ...is that you ? 🤣🤣👏
@About36Greekss
@About36Greekss 9 ай бұрын
I mean that’s the case for most 4th liners … lmao
@johnsmith7345
@johnsmith7345 9 ай бұрын
@@About36Greekss actually the 3rd & 4th lines are checking lines. Reaves can't play on either.
@tmoore4075
@tmoore4075 9 ай бұрын
The Spezza thing was so amazingly asshole-ish. After 2008 in Detroit, he seemed to do a lot more of this just stupid shit. Modano not playing, calling Commie to play in DET and then scratching him more often than not, being such a dick that Filppula left, then wanting them to sign Weiss who got hurt and then once he was healthy playing him at first but then giving him less and less time and then scratching him, signing Tootoo and then not playing him, wanting Dan Cleary back when he was pretty much in Philly, telling Holland to not put Jurco in Grand Rapids cause he'd play him...and then he didn't. So then Jurco couldn't be sent down anymore and instead of playing top 6 minutes in the AHL was playing at best 4th line minutes in Detroit. He knew he had this power and held it over people and the Wings still wanted to keep him knowing all of this.
@stephenphillips6245
@stephenphillips6245 9 ай бұрын
Esp since Spezza ended up doing well point wise and leadership in the dressing room.
@SedatKulafofski-eh5pc
@SedatKulafofski-eh5pc 9 ай бұрын
Peters can kiss his chance to get back to the NHL now lol
@SteveSacrob
@SteveSacrob 9 ай бұрын
I say when you look at the team he inherited in Detroit and won 1 cup then look at the talent laden olympic teams, is he that great a coach or was he at the right place at the right time
@MuirGreg
@MuirGreg 9 ай бұрын
Marty Brodeur of coaches
@Breca
@Breca 9 ай бұрын
Marty Walsh former US Secretary of Labor & Ron Hainsey boots on ground looking out for the boys.
@HonkyTonkHellraiser
@HonkyTonkHellraiser 9 ай бұрын
O-Dog is absolutely right. Babcock was hoping to find something to hold over the players
@cjmllvv
@cjmllvv 9 ай бұрын
You simply don't know that though. Like yeah maybe. Maybe not
@okyouknowwhatever
@okyouknowwhatever 9 ай бұрын
@@cjmllvv Why else would he spend several minutes scrolling through a rookies phone, lol. Not even spouses spends several minutes investigating each others phones. This is how obsessive minds work. Babs is an obsessive coaching mind. He thinks he needs to do this type of intimidating mind game stuff to separate himself from mere mortal coaches, and that it is what makes him great. Not even old school players like Chelios who played under Keenan could stand this guy. I've no idea why some fans are clinging to the fantasy the Babs might be a nice guy.
@cjmllvv
@cjmllvv 9 ай бұрын
@@okyouknowwhatever you dont know that he spent minutes scrolling through a rookies phone though. Where was that reported
@okyouknowwhatever
@okyouknowwhatever 9 ай бұрын
@@cjmllvv Elliotte Friedman.
@cjmllvv
@cjmllvv 9 ай бұрын
@@okyouknowwhatever all he said on that podcast was he was in possession of a players phone for several minutes. Very vague and doesn't mean he was scrolling through the phone. Could have just had it in his hand while they were talking. Definitely strange either way but you are still jumping to conclusions
@markkennedy5335
@markkennedy5335 9 ай бұрын
Nice chat boys. Well done👏👏👏
@iettord3124
@iettord3124 9 ай бұрын
Why did Toronto think hiring Babcock was a good idea?
@ed230
@ed230 9 ай бұрын
In regards to Babcock hes looking at their phone to see who they are in contact with and if shit is being talked and I agree with O ...he wanted leverage
@pjpredhomme7699
@pjpredhomme7699 9 ай бұрын
There is something wrong with the guy -with what was on the line for him - that he could not do something like this
@kurtwpg
@kurtwpg 9 ай бұрын
Maybe he tried. Here's the problem: he had lots of behaviors worse than this, maybe he eliminated those but didn't understand where the line was. Not defending him, he's a horrible guy, just I could see that being the issue.
@robrobert3438
@robrobert3438 9 ай бұрын
why isnt Jeff in studio?
@michaelgallagher518
@michaelgallagher518 9 ай бұрын
Jesus, can you guys stop talking over each other. Tough to listen to.
@WizDumbDumb
@WizDumbDumb 9 ай бұрын
Jeff says it like it is, MB was playing psychological mind games again
@billverge7822
@billverge7822 9 ай бұрын
i think O-Dog is correct, Babcock was looking thru their phones looking for something to hold against that player, maybe theres a fun pic of you puking off your balcony after a backyard BBQ, and Babcock sends the file to his computer via that apple app , then blows it up and has it made into a cardboard cutout and places it at the players entrance so all the players can see.. then calls him out for our for whatever reason Babcock wants it to be, you're irresponsible, whatever...how bout you just shake your players hand and say "nice to meet you, see ya at practice" Babcock is a supposed advocaat for mental health? , gimme a f'n break..all Babcock does is screw with players heads, how close do you think Franzen was from hurting himself, look it up. Good Riddance.
@jasonbrowning6034
@jasonbrowning6034 9 ай бұрын
Babcock ruined the Wings. They would have won in 2008 with Bizz as coach. Look at how many players just left... suddenly, Zetterburg, Datsyuk, Brad Stuart, Brian Rafalski, etc. Babcock only coaches built teams. He is the most overrated coach in the NHL.
@post1113
@post1113 9 ай бұрын
I'll bet the Patriots win another Super Bowl before the Leafs win another Cup.
@Workingman22
@Workingman22 9 ай бұрын
That's a very safe bet and I'd take Vegas odds on that.
@pjpredhomme7699
@pjpredhomme7699 9 ай бұрын
Bellichek's grandson will coach the patriots to superbowl before leafs win a cup
@HonkyTonkHellraiser
@HonkyTonkHellraiser 9 ай бұрын
It's hard to intimidate sitting on the beach or in the press box, the 2 places Reaves will be sitting
@gordonbgraham
@gordonbgraham 9 ай бұрын
Barring injury, I bet he plays 60 games. Want to put your money where your mouth is?
@thedankswordsmantm
@thedankswordsmantm 8 ай бұрын
Do these guys not know what happened to Franzen or are they just ignoring it?
@kingquaf16
@kingquaf16 9 ай бұрын
Time stamps
@wyattshort388
@wyattshort388 9 ай бұрын
Hey, old guys, put some timestamps in here, eh.
@TheMightymolar
@TheMightymolar 8 ай бұрын
The only good thing is that Babcock finally has the reputation he deserves. He should have had it before, but now it's in stone.
@SteveSacrob
@SteveSacrob 9 ай бұрын
It was Nick Shore
@peterrobertson2580
@peterrobertson2580 9 ай бұрын
This doesn't happen every day - nor should you expect that - but this is why these guys are the best there is for this type of commentary and analysis. They had all cylinders firing in this segment. It is a remarkable story. Babcock won a cup, two gold medals, a world championship ... he was the most decorated, revered, respected coach in hockey. Everybody knew he was tough (little did we all know), but he won everywhere he went. To see this is tragic, disturbing and righteous all at the same time. For those who say he's done for the Hall ... you may be right, but what would you say about Quenneville? Three cups in five years ... sounds like Hall of Fame territory to me. He was badly damaged by that as it was arguably an even more disturbing situation but I think the damage to JQ is softening. Maybe we shouldn't be judging Babcock in the heat of the moment. People may look at it differently in 5 years.
@AlwayzFresh
@AlwayzFresh 9 ай бұрын
I can't wait to hear O-Dog lay into this one
@ed230
@ed230 9 ай бұрын
He"ll play in the offs I guarantee it ...and depending on the situation might just be exactly what they've needed
@ed230
@ed230 9 ай бұрын
Reeves *
@zachweeks299
@zachweeks299 9 ай бұрын
TK isn’t fighting Reaves that’s what Deslaurier or Seeler will do.
@HonkyTonkHellraiser
@HonkyTonkHellraiser 9 ай бұрын
A guy can be a hard ass coach but a good guy.
@blackrocks8413
@blackrocks8413 9 ай бұрын
not any more. Someone will get upset and feel uncomfortable. You used to be able to be hard but nice. look around, it changed
@okyouknowwhatever
@okyouknowwhatever 9 ай бұрын
@@blackrocks8413 But in Babs' case he was never hard and nice, he was hard and ass.
@tallesttreeintheforest
@tallesttreeintheforest 9 ай бұрын
babcock talk starts 20:10 god bless
@wizwaz5529
@wizwaz5529 8 ай бұрын
The Rangers thought Reaves would make a difference….BIG disappointment, you have to be able to skate!
@benchow8851
@benchow8851 8 ай бұрын
So...every team just has ONE Reeves-type players on their team and no one will ever do anything out of line...? Lol
@Oilers1972
@Oilers1972 9 ай бұрын
Harold Ballard gave lots of money to children’s charities. There is a doc on Tubi that gives a different perspective on the man.
@mckessa17
@mckessa17 9 ай бұрын
Ballard was an idiot
@eddiemcgreat11
@eddiemcgreat11 9 ай бұрын
Heys is wrong, If Reeves was on that team last year, Gudas would have had enough respect not to yell in Wolls face. Thats been the problem for years, know one feared and respected the leafs, you never seen that happen with any other team that was chasing a title.
@Xerdoz
@Xerdoz 9 ай бұрын
All you need to do is to look at a picture of Babcock and realize he's not worth hiring.
@SteveSacrob
@SteveSacrob 9 ай бұрын
Right on O Dog!
@eggskenny1151
@eggskenny1151 9 ай бұрын
Mike Babcock looks like a Groper Fish
@shootermcgavin3077
@shootermcgavin3077 9 ай бұрын
Kevin Ballard
@grtwhtbfflo
@grtwhtbfflo 9 ай бұрын
ROBE HAYES
@jasonaaron2542
@jasonaaron2542 9 ай бұрын
Is this just a hockey problem, or do all leagues turn a blind eye to abusive behaviour?
@christopherfidler3019
@christopherfidler3019 9 ай бұрын
8 sheets for Babs and never coached a game.
@williamblaney904
@williamblaney904 9 ай бұрын
Boys are great, but football is a bore. Hockey has returned!
@Workingman22
@Workingman22 9 ай бұрын
Bellichik has always had the challenge flag in his sock lol this isn't new it's pretty much public knowledge but you're hockey guys so you get a pass 😂
@tallesttreeintheforest
@tallesttreeintheforest 9 ай бұрын
mike badcock = david miscavige.. everyone who watched that scientology documentary knows what im talking about
@ianratcliffe6249
@ianratcliffe6249 8 ай бұрын
Babcock had all those great Detroit teams and only one 1 cup. Is he maybe the most overrated coach in NHL history?
@jonathangarmuth8975
@jonathangarmuth8975 9 ай бұрын
Still gonna downplay this?
@tallesttreeintheforest
@tallesttreeintheforest 9 ай бұрын
odog looks so great after he became a vegan
@lpquagmire3621
@lpquagmire3621 9 ай бұрын
I doubt this story has received any attention in America, especially with football back.
@SchruteBucks
@SchruteBucks 9 ай бұрын
Lol Jeff eats vegetables and fruits? Must be for his wife.
@rickma6363
@rickma6363 9 ай бұрын
O is actually looking slimmer.
@michaelnarciso3847
@michaelnarciso3847 9 ай бұрын
Reaves is tough and slow and he's 36 years old!!!! These 3 blind mice are acting like Reaves is the guy to turn things around LOL. Every year its the same garbage
@MegaRyan59
@MegaRyan59 9 ай бұрын
Cozens & Marner are homies - is was a troll tweet.
@moondog3056
@moondog3056 9 ай бұрын
Good Idea? This how all pro teams think. They just recycle the same coaches over and over
@ericschultz1554
@ericschultz1554 9 ай бұрын
Because it was a good idea to give that group one more shot at contention before they shop all of the players and go into a full rebuild. Those morons did this whole organization and league a huge injustice with their locker room gossip. Now a whole bunch of folks are going to lose their livelihoods because of these classless idiots and their BS. Gravity is about to pull those dudes back to earth though.
@shootermcgavin3077
@shootermcgavin3077 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if Babcock went in to work and just decided he's got enough money and he changed his mind on wanting to coach. Maybe it was self sabotage.
@johnmckeron3663
@johnmckeron3663 9 ай бұрын
Because of this idiot hard nose coaches will have to be careful such as torts of the flyers and I’m sure they are all aware of this because all it takes is one or two players start complaining and then the coach is going to be scrutinized
@kurtwpg
@kurtwpg 9 ай бұрын
Because he's basically the best coach ever. So good he even had 3 winning seasons in the 8 1/4 seasons he coached without Nik Lidstom.
@janicechau5482
@janicechau5482 9 ай бұрын
Has any podcast tried inviting Babcock on to defend himself and share his side of things? I get he has a bad reputation but this felt like a distasteful pile on. I can't imagine being a relative or friend of Babs and hearing everyone in the country tear him down like this. Even if he is a jerk, he's had a hall of fame career. In such a difficult industry it's not something to discredit at all, if there were some Olympics or Cup reunion he should be there. Babcock didn't cover up rape like Quenneville did, which DOES warrant a permanent exile from everything.
@cjmllvv
@cjmllvv 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you and I have zero give a fuck for babcock personally but right now its easy to lay in on the guy and people are taking full advantage
@serotoninlight7269
@serotoninlight7269 9 ай бұрын
I think him being hired was good hire but the past n ppl was mad that he got a job n just wouldn’t let it go. it would be a controversial year , media would ask questions about how they are being treated so better to just step down n have it focus on the team n not how player are being treated everyday
@diceymaan
@diceymaan 9 ай бұрын
O'Neill loves to froth at the mouth like a rabid dog, but the fact is that not everybody is of the same opinion. Patrick Marleau for example defended Babcock and said he liked the photo sharing with Babs when he was part of it. This seems to be the toughest subject for a few ex-players and Toronto fans, who are the worst fans in the league anyway. Sure, the Marner business was absolutely underhanded, but photo sharing of families is not in the same league. If he however did take somebody's phone and then scroll (which there's no corroborated evidence of), that would be absolutely wrong.
@cjmllvv
@cjmllvv 9 ай бұрын
I dont care about babcock but do you have him dead to rights on this? I don't think so. The reporting on this situation has been a mess. Last time we heard anything concrete it was Jenner saying all good nothing to see here.. so what are the facts
@serotoninlight7269
@serotoninlight7269 9 ай бұрын
💯
@gordonbgraham
@gordonbgraham 9 ай бұрын
Much ado about nothing
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