Me too, was very sad that both glaives never dropped for our guild, we ran it every week till the end of tbc and only ever got my main hand. :(

@@CLOWEN2010 I was lucky and saw both drop… but yeah I think there should have been a fail safe to trade mainhand for offhand if you saw two maybe!

bro wow attracts and builds some of worst antisocial weird lord of the flies type of communities i've ever seen

It took so so long for the buff to go out though. We'd cleared everything and were getting bored of ICC by the time the buff started. It only made easier to steamroll the raid for us and helped struggling guilds to finally get something done. Idk why many people have a gripe with it.

I didn’t hear a take at all? But Wrath wasn’t as good as people remembered when they were younger.

Braindead players killed the game just as much as parsers, and they directly fueled eachother. No one wanted to play with people who were too lazy to even get gems and enchants, so they created a social credit system for raiding and treated raid spots like jobs. It's hard to find a nice middle ground, where people know how to play the game, but aren't actively optimizing the fun out of it

@@Josephus-Crooksicus i can deffentily see youre point and 100% agree with you but at the same time i guess its just my personal opinion but the mid maxxing was the fun part trying to be the best or atleast close to was fun for me. I can see how thats not everyone cup of tea, but my only arguement at that point is why are you playing a solved game at that point? Its like replaying youre favorite campaign are you doing it just to do it or do you wanna beat youre last score? Idk like i said its just my opinion but i can see where youre coming from

@@stephenrogers3875 Something I loved to do was mess around with meme builds or niche or novel, or whatever, even if just for leveling. Pure vanilla is my favourite, because leveling was my favourite part, with TBC as a close second. During TBC I had a blast leveling a survival hunter and out DPSing everyone in dungeons on the way to max. Everyone said survival hunters were terrible throughout every part of the game, but even solved games have new things to discover. The problem I have with min-maxxers is they inhibit the kind of creativity that leads to these new things being discovered. When I think of the most fun new builds that were discovered in classic era, I don't believe many of them came from the orthodox min-maxxers. There isn't much fun for me to play a solved game with the already known solutions but faster. I understand why people want everyone to stick to the formulas, because a lot of people aren't good at the game to successfully experiment with builds. But that's where I want the middle ground. I want to play with people that are willing to take a novel approach, but have the skill and knowledge to do so. I don't want to play with people that are awful, nor do I want to play with people that want to allocate my every talent point. Another great memory I had during classic vanilla was tanking Scarlet Monestary spam as a beast master hunter in a group of 4. We were all forced to communicate effectively, and play our classes to their limits, utilizing all the tricks and utilities we had. It was significantly more fun than the endless optimized cleave groups that would arise. I wanna riff, I wanna jam, I don't just wanna practice rudiments and execute the same composition every time.

@@Josephus-Crooksicus I think people forget sometimes that games are supposed to be fun, you are supposed to enjoy yourself in the way you see fit to enjoy yourself and not how other people dictate how you are to enjoy a game. WoW min maxxers were bad because they would deeply impose their stupidly high standards and requirements upon everyone else and bully and demean everyone else into submission. Regardless of if they are having their own fun or not. To a point where everyone had to have they right unnecessarily high gear score and know all of the tactics and have all of the mods and all of the right builds because you if you weren't doing it the right way you weren't playing the game right. It's what ruins every vaguely competitive game these days. Thousands of people who demand that the only way to enjoy the game is to find the most optimal way to play it. Forgetting that solving a game forces developers to ruin the experience for casual players by heavily patching and forcing more effort onto everyone to keep up and reinforcing a live service behaviours that shitty developer/publishers like Blizzard rake in millions from at the expense of other peoples time and wallets.

@@MintyDarkFinger But in all fairness, we have to remember that it's really not fun to play with people who are so bad that you can't even do the content with them. Min-maxxing didn't come out of nowhere, we all, at some point or another, decided we needed some barriers of entry. Unfortunately I think those barriers should come from organic gameplay, not artificially imposed by the players. I'd love to see a version of WoW, or any MMO, where the leveling process alone is difficult enough that simply reaching max level will require you to be a skilled player. Unfortunately, I don't think Blizzard would ever have the guts to support such a game mode.