Annette Gordon-Reed discusses 'passing' and the effect it had on lives and families. The interview was recorded in October 2008 at Monticello's Robert H. Smith International Center for Jefferson Studies.
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@boadicea58565 жыл бұрын
Well, in that era, when SOBs could kidnap freed slaves and sell them off.... any Black slave who could pass themselves off as white did so for their self-preservation and their families as well. They could then buy land and vote! It’s a very sad part of American history that I didn’t learn in school.... my grandparents taught me this.
@melvawages71433 жыл бұрын
The poor women who looked mostly white often got sold to bordellos too. They were in high demand.
@jabaltariq46063 жыл бұрын
@@melvawages7143 Call it whorehouses! Not surprisingly, to this day that is still the stereotype
@godssara6758 Жыл бұрын
You must have been asleep in class if you didn't learn about slavery. It's always been taught
@0163292 жыл бұрын
Well her children were 7/8 white as she herself was 3/4 white, so they probably looked almost entirely (if not entirely) like white people. Given the discrimination of the time, it’s hard to blame some of them for choosing an easier life by identifying as white people. It’s just so wrong that it mattered so much.
@ninedaysqueen301 Жыл бұрын
What’s ironic about this is that Sally’s son, Eston, was noted in a 1902 newspaper article as being light, but darker than his own wife, who had an enslaved African-American grandmother.
@jamiemohan2049 Жыл бұрын
@@ninedaysqueen301its possible he tanned easily and didnt mind to tan himself. His wife on the other hand as a woman likely avoided the sun.
@bunnybird93429 ай бұрын
@@ninedaysqueen301Mixed 7/8 white people either look entirely white or have vague features of the 1/8. Imo 3/4 white still counts as mixed-race but 7/8 white is a grey area and the bare minimum, and at that point whether the person counts as white or mixed-race is judged on a case-by-case basis depending on how close they are to the 1/8. (But 15/16 white and beyond doesn't count as mixed race anymore.) I have heard that Madison didn't really look as white as the others, and I do remember seeing Eston described as "very slightly coloured" so I wonder if he really looked completely white or also kind of looked slightly black.
@romy12234 ай бұрын
@@bunnybird9342so by that logic we are all not related to / should claim our great grandparents and beyond. Literally makes no sense … my grandmother’s grandmother is still my family, my blood, and who I am.
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
@@romy1223 you are allowed to acknowledge and learn about that part of your ancestry, but if it is something very distant then you are not mixed-race. At that point it's just admixture.
@Eriq70014 жыл бұрын
3 out of 4 of the four adult children felt it would be better to live in the white community. The reason was since they were nearly white in appearance they would gave better oppurtunity up in North as white adults. Living on the plantation...they already recieved lighter duties and worked in the kitchen so they could use that training / experience to enter the white society.
@gingeroxendine22887 ай бұрын
Many who visited Monticello and had dinner with Thomas Jefferson commented to others/wrote in their journals how much some of the slaves who served in the house looked exactly like Jefferson. The family resemblance was unmistakable.
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
One of Thomas Jefferson's grandkids said that some of Sally Hemings's kids could easily be mistaken for Thomas Jefferson himself if they were walking from afar while wearing certain clothes
@leonewest22394 жыл бұрын
Addenda: on Sally Hemings- Her mother Elizabeth (Betty) Hemings was of mixed race herself- thus , Sally Hemings was actually three quarters white . This information only for family relationship purposes .
@bunnybird93429 ай бұрын
Betty was 1/2 white, Sally was 3/4 white, and Sally's children were 7/8 white.
@dudra24699 жыл бұрын
She was Jefferson's wife half sister. Do any read history anymore. Damn
@kaylu60927 жыл бұрын
Audra Maxwell yes she was. Sally was not black. She basically was white.
@yardiebabe7 жыл бұрын
no, sally hemmings was a mixed race woman like many slaves during slavery in the americas. she WAS NOT "basically white," if that were the case she would be basically FREE! damn!!!
@johngurlides91577 жыл бұрын
She was 1/4 black and 3/4 white.
@cardion4116 жыл бұрын
Exactly, ybish y!!!
@cardion4116 жыл бұрын
John Gurlides, if she was 1/4 Black what did that make her? So please, go on with that.
@Strikesis11 жыл бұрын
After nearly 300 years people in this country, most particularly southerners like me have mixed blood. I do not deny that am of Native American, Black, Scots, French Creole, Melungeon, Russian and Austrian ancestry. Race means nothing.
@tiathompson66747 жыл бұрын
It only means something to those who want to use it as a means of oppression.
@marcusfelton87294 жыл бұрын
Who gives a fuck about your mix blood.
@getitgirl604 жыл бұрын
It means a lot to racists
@frederickgriffith70042 жыл бұрын
Kind of reminds me of my maternal grandfather who was a French speaking creole from Louisiana.He was born in 1907 and he looked ridiculously White.So did his family on both his mother and father's side.His father was of 1/16 African Ancestry.His mother was of 1/8 African Ancestry.The state of Louisiana went by the one drop rule so most of his family identified as Black.The ones that wished to identify as White left the state of Louisiana for other states to pass as White.Never to keep contact with the family again.Two of his maternal Uncles went to live in France in the late 19th century.With the Advent of Ancestry Dna,the descendants of these relatives are coming out of the woodwork to reconnect with family.Some are amused to discover that they have Black Ancestry.While others are shocked.Some handle it better than others.As a fair skinned African American,it amuses me because they all look White to me.They are White people.So the question is does Whiteness pertain to skin pigmentation or racial purity.My"White" relatives from France have no problem with the discovery.While some of my "White" relatives in the states have trouble coming to terms with the discovery.I still believe America is the greatest country in the world.But how do we view each other as simply human beings.The truth is,race means everything in American society.
@godssara6758 Жыл бұрын
That's some cool heritage to be proud of
@MsAngleofRepose5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the two accounts we have of Sally's appearance say she was "near white" in appearance with long straight hair. Not really like the actress who portrayed her in the film. But who knows? Only one of those accounts was from someone who actually knew her. In the end, the system was evil and immoral. Jefferson basically owned his sister-in-law and used her as he saw fit. An ugly system that allowed the English colonists to gain an economic foothold in Virginia and the South. And it permeates our society to this day. Glad the Jefferson descendants finally saw the light but that did not come easy either hundreds of years later.
@joymosley89974 жыл бұрын
She and Jeffersons wife were half sisters, so she may have looked white.
@melvawages71433 жыл бұрын
Isaac Jefferson knew her. He was a young enslaved teenager when Jefferson died. He is the one that said that about Sally.
@godssara6758 Жыл бұрын
Except the evidence for Jefferson being the father is suspect at best. The DNA proves Woodson her son conceived in France was not of any Jefferson line. Disproving the oral stories passed down by the Woodsons. Eston and Madison are of Jefferson line based on DNA taken from a descendant of Jefferson's uncle. Which means any of 8 Jefferson males at the time could have been the Father. There is evidence for the younger Jefferson brother Randolf who was known to hang out with the slaves and was there when Sally conceived. It could also explain Jefferson's silence when questioned on the subject if not wanting to expose his brother.
@bunnybird93429 ай бұрын
@@joymosley8997I personally believe Sally Hemings was white-passing, or at least very close to white-passing, because she and her children were listed as white in the 1830 census (but she listed herself and her children as free people of color in the 1833 census, as somebody else was listing the races in the previous census). This is why I get bothered by people depicting Sally Hemings with more obvious black features (there's nothing wrong with black features it's just inaccurate). Personally I picture her having a phenotype similar to Meghan Markle's. As in someone who isn't familiar with mixed-race phenotypes would assume she is a white person but somebody who is more familiar with them can tell she is part black. After all, Sally Hemings was described as very light-skinned with straight hair.
@bunnybird93429 ай бұрын
@@joymosley8997I feel like Thomas Jefferson only chose her because it was said that his wife's death really destroyed him so I feel like they looked similar and Sally Hemings reminded him of her.
@FightsRightsAlways14 жыл бұрын
@msmelody1960 THANK YOU!!! it's about time someone said something!! they only teach about slavery they never go in to DETAIL which is important.but the minute you do people start going off and saying to leave it in the pass,but it's not just black history it's AMERICA"S as well.people just need to deal with it instead of covering it up.what was done with people in slavery was a sick and twisted thing.and it's the job of teachers/professors to TEACH it,not sugar coat it.
@susansalley75564 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It is a shameful history. That's why no one wants to talk about. But slavery shouldn't be forgotten. We need to teach what it did to the lives of these beautiful children of god and the side effects of slavery that is still going on to this very day.
@JeffersonMonticello15 жыл бұрын
Lawyers are highly trained at analytical thinking and research, two key skills in the study of history.
@jabaltariq46063 жыл бұрын
Many professions, in fact, all the professions I know involve the above! Political Science, economics, Medicine, Psychology, Mathematics, Physics,Engineering, etc
@walkingtrails77767 жыл бұрын
there is one race it's called the HUMAN race!
@hush647 жыл бұрын
thank you
@sunnybrowngirl70536 жыл бұрын
Very true, unfortunately the world doesn’t agree.
@axjohn5 жыл бұрын
Walking Trails 777 humans aren’t a race they’re a species.
@Dani-ei5ki5 жыл бұрын
What about Nascar!!!
@marcusfelton87294 жыл бұрын
Some body needs to tell white people this then.
@Delaware8414 жыл бұрын
Little do people know that a lot of African American did this throughout the 20th century as well...I have family that passed, including a grandfather
@acajudi10011 жыл бұрын
So true.
@jb2650814 жыл бұрын
Im reading her book now.
@FightsRightsAlways14 жыл бұрын
@msmelody1960 of course people in america are in denial.but it's up to people like you me to set them straight.keeping the truth alive is something that needs to be done.no matter how uncomfortable,or upsetting it maybe.truth:it may not be popular but it's always right.
@ravindertalwar5532 жыл бұрын
LIFE IS TO LOVE AND TO BE LOVED 💖 LOVE ALONE CAN CONQUER THE WORLD
@hwgray5 жыл бұрын
"Why did some of Sally Hemings's children identify themselves as white?" Because they had good sense.
@mjbucar9 ай бұрын
This video does NOT address the subject title.
@teresacody51884 жыл бұрын
Total chaos! . . . will love one and despise the other!
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
@areyouquitemad She was a quadroon.
@taesharobinson14 жыл бұрын
@DKMontoya4670 .. Nicole Ritchie is adopted.. but she's Shiela's E's niece... Nicole is Shiela E's brothers child...
@josephortizgarcia14 жыл бұрын
@dukenukembunz69 I stand by my statement.
@Fuzzbabby14 жыл бұрын
@DKMontoya4670 I'm not sure what you mean she said on tyra that she's black and that's what's on her drivers license. DO you mean in terms of how the media generally portrays her.
@starchild6445 жыл бұрын
View History through the constraints of the time. Old age was 50 and a lot of people died at that age. Women married earlier than they do now. At that time, Black people could not marry white. But really can we stop labeling people quadroon, etc. They are multi racial. We have many children today that are multi racial let us not single them out. They are people period. I understand why in that day that some of these children left and lived as white. At that time it meant more opportunities and more freedom.
@SM-tg5pi2 жыл бұрын
Yes, many of my friends(we are Asians) married at age of 15.
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
@jhunted7667 What color are you?
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
jhunted7667 What's is your point and what are you talking about?
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
@rupal20101 No she is mixed her black mother's biological dauther. Her dad is white.
@rupal2010114 жыл бұрын
@DKMontoya4670 Yo, Nicole Richie is adopted, she is not her black father's biological daughter
@melvawages71433 жыл бұрын
She is still mixed race because one of her bio parents was mixed. She makes it very clear she is not white when she is asked.
@alfamail201613 жыл бұрын
@bondurango the 1 drop rule did't apply until 1924
@lolajoselin71345 жыл бұрын
that is not true!!!!! the one drop rule has been in effect scince the very first slave ship landed in port!!!!!! read your history!!!!!!
@benisturning3012 жыл бұрын
Then what are you?
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
@RedSkullthagreat How do you know this interesting fact?
@kulasirisiri11554 жыл бұрын
Can anyone shine some light as for where she died and where she was barrie.
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
@rupal20101 No she is her black mother's biological dauther. Her dad is white.
@BrianSapp94512 жыл бұрын
@SPIDERHULK101 lol, AMEN!
@marllon978612 жыл бұрын
@JRF1961 In that case, Joakim Noah is white, along with Jon and Kate's kids as well. It's a lot more complicated than the way you put it. I would find it laughable if Joakim Noah, Nahla Aubry, the Gosselin kids, or Benjamin Todd Jealous self-identified as white.
@marllon978612 жыл бұрын
@bbgurl22ful In South Africa, you would not be considered black by most South Africans, since you're 1/8 white. There, you are automatically identified as 'Coloured', which is the term used by South Africans to denote a person with mixed-race ancestry. This goes to show how social constructs vary by society. Octoroons, as the old U.S. caste system referred to them by, were people that were 7/8 white and 1/8 white. Not all of these "octoroons" looked passably white, about 30% looked ambiguous.
@sophiawilson86964 жыл бұрын
Was Harriet mother was half white herself?.
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
Harriet was 7/8 white because her mom was 3/4 white
@TheBatugan774 жыл бұрын
We've all sprinkled a little brown sugar on our french toast from time to time. HEY now! 🤓😎😁
@QueenK8810 жыл бұрын
Then i guess faith evans is white
@Coco_Loco956 жыл бұрын
Was faith Evans 3/4 white & quarter black like sally ? Or 7/8 white like sally & jeffersons kids? If so yes. If not, no.
@Kat_Beezy5 жыл бұрын
Her Dad was White, Mom is Black (based on Mom’s DNA, her NAPPY ROOTS) I’m gonna say ummm.....NOPE!
@sophiawilson86964 жыл бұрын
@@Kat_Beezy her mother was half white herself.
@peterkilbridge65236 ай бұрын
Do they teach anything else at Monticello but tittilating innuendos about interracial sex? It's a sign of the times, I guess.
@lavalianyuckstersthorazine21232 жыл бұрын
I love history one thing that annoys me is modern people judge people of the past through Modern standards people did what after they have to do to survive if you that means you have to pass for what you did it. If you had to drink the wine with Jesus you did it people in the past did what they had to do and more people wouldn't hold up to if they went through a similar process of historical people of the past
@roxanne194115 жыл бұрын
I think this is really interesting. I have found Jefferson and Hemmings to be such an interesting couple for many years now, and have always been interested in genetics. I believe that several of their children were actually redheads, none the less!
@godssara6758 Жыл бұрын
Except the DNA only proves that her children Eston and Madison where of the Jefferson line. It could have been any of 8 Jefferson males that were there at the time. The DNA test proves that Tom Woodson her son conceived in France was not a Jefferson.
@yak6ex14 жыл бұрын
Slaves had no free will did they?
@WillyOrca Жыл бұрын
The actual answer to this question is something a lot of people DO NOT want to hear for whatever reason but; at least 2 of Sally's children were likely fathered by another slave who was 1/2 or 3/4 black. Only her last child Eston was ever proven to have carried/passed on the Jefferson Y chromosome. When the news articles claiming Thomas Jefferson had children with one of his slaves first appeared in press, she was described as having had children and partners of "every different color and complexion". One of the smears against Jefferson was that he freely shared a concubine with black male slaves indiscriminately. People have a tendency to resist any notion that paints Sally in a negative light or sheds doubt on the idea that all 6 of her children belonged to Thomas Jefferson. With the idea that if its established that any of the children WEREN'T his, then the likelihood of any of them belonging to him would be far less likely.
@kennedy3682 Жыл бұрын
You just said a whole bunch of nothing, none of that actually answers the question and all the evidence shows that he fathered almost all if not every single one of her children and she told them so. Mind you Thomas Jefferson allowed two of their children to leave the plantation and legally emancipated their other surviving children in his will yet he never did the same for other enslaved families. There are also records of Jefferson's travels and the birthdays of their children align with the estimated dates of conception. Madison Hemings (his son) also repeatedly stated that his father was Thomas Jefferson and there are also other accounts of some of their children having a strong resemblance to him. I think you're simply delusional if his own descendants have accepted this fact then you should too.
@WillyOrca11 ай бұрын
@@kennedy3682 yeah lol, there's actually FAR more evidence that his brother Randolph Jefferson fathered Eston and Madison Hemmings, and then there's literally slave testimony claiming a white plantation overseer/worker at Monticello fathered Harriet and the reason what I was saying is relevant is that Thomas Jefferson was literally the President of The United States. If he had a concubine, he most likely wasn't allowing other people to freely sleep with her, ESPECIALLY when she's enslaved and he can literally control every aspect of her life. If ONE of her children isn't Thomas', it becomes far less likely that ANY of them are.
@WillyOrca11 ай бұрын
@@kennedy3682 Jefferson keeping them enslaved until they were 21 despite them being at least 7/8 white would also actually point more to him not being the father as well. Also, on top of them being 7/8 white, he would have been the uncle of Sally Hemmings' children on both sides of their family if his brother Randolph Jefferson fathered them. (Sally Hemmings being his Wife's biological half-sister) That's more than enough incentive to free them upon turning 21.
@WillyOrca11 ай бұрын
@@kennedy3682 Madison never stated anything of the such before being in his 70's, and only did so through the same journalist who had originally broken the Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemmings scandal as a blatant hitpiece/baseless smear against Jefferson 30 years earlier. NONE of the other children ever corroborated the story. Also there are massive holes and it's funny that you mentioned the dates lining up because that's actually the biggest problem with Madison Hemmings narrative. They absolutely DO NOT lol. Modern historians attribute this to it being a second hand oral tradition.
@GodzzzSon10 жыл бұрын
If her daddy is white then yes she is smh.
@1019buster12 жыл бұрын
Tomas Jefferson children
@H1X2N45 жыл бұрын
None of the Hemings family at Monticello (~75) were field hands, all were domestic servants. Sally was 1/4 black, her children 7/8 white. Sally left Monticello with 2 sons (who were freed) to live in a house & all 3 were listed as white in the census. One son & daughter left in their early 20s & lived as whites & disappeared & cut ties with their family. Sally’s Mother Elizabeth Hemings lived on Monticello property & sold produce from her garden to Jefferson. She had ~14 children & she was 50% white/black but looked white. We should be glad slavery in America is in the past but it still exists in the world even today. Slavery goes back to ancient times.
@Kat_Beezy5 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna always look at SKIN COMPLEXION & HAIR TYPE! If you’re VERY LIGHT SKINNED, STRAIGHT/LOOSE WAVY HAIR then I’d say you’re NON NEGRO! Examples of this: Mariah Carey, Nicole Richie, ALL 3 of Michael Jackson’s children
@Jen-rw7yh4 жыл бұрын
Negro?
@TheBatugan774 жыл бұрын
@@Jen-rw7yh That's actually a proper term, used world-wide. It's only in the repulsive context of racism that it's gained it's negative connotation.
@Jen-rw7yh4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBatugan77 proper term? Being called ignorant is proper?
@klaire72054 жыл бұрын
So Mariah Carey being mixed means shes not black? She's neither white or black, she's mixed. Not "non negro" don't look at the definition of someones hair and determine whether they're black or white, or the pigmentation.
@jollietalvarez85604 жыл бұрын
There both
@gingeroxendine22887 ай бұрын
It was mentioned by a few of Jefferson's visitors that Sally Hemings and Jefferson's wife resembled each other.
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
They were half sisters
@bettymillz31783 жыл бұрын
Well they were 75% white and 25% black and looked white so...
@makaelaischillin3 жыл бұрын
They only look black because their more recent ancestors are black. Sally Hemings was half white herself so at the most they should call themselves mixed if they were just going off her.
@bettymillz31783 жыл бұрын
@@makaelaischillin I would’ve just called them white.
@idontgiveafaboutyou2 жыл бұрын
@@makaelaischillin They were said to look more white since Sally herself was 3/4th white
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
@@makaelaischillinno. Sally Hemings was 3/4 white and her kids were 7/8 white. Sally, Madison, and Eston were listed as white in the 1830 census (but they were listed as black in the 1833 census).
@oldschool19932 жыл бұрын
Many people bring up the story of Jefferson and Sally Hemmings as an example of hypocrisy, but they know little of history and less about women. Hemmings was, by all contemporary accounts, a stunningly beautiful woman who could easily pass for white. With those attributes, no woman was going to link her future with a field hand. When Jefferson was ambassador to France he requested that one of his slaves be sent to France to serve him. Hemmings cunningly maneuvered her way into this job, knowing she would be living far away with a wealthy man in his prime and her natural beauty would be impossible to resist. The narrative of the evil slave master forcing himself on a woman is totally false, and was actually quite the opposite. In France, slavery had already been outlawed, so the moment Hemmings stepped off the boat she was a free woman and could have simply found a place among the black population of Paris. However she chose the life of high society and the company of a wealthy man, so the relationship was not master and slave, but consensual between 2 free adults. When Jefferson returned to America, Hemmings did not have to accompany him, as she was a free woman, but she chose life with him under American law as being preferable to life in France. Back in America they continued the relationship and she bore at least 4 of his children. People ask why she remained a slave, but in the context of the times, many powerful men had extramarital relationships and having one with a slave was not uncommon, but had Jefferson given her freedom, then the morality of the day would not have allowed her to remain in his household. Therefore it is most likely that she agreed to remain a technical slave in order to remain with him. It is well known that his will clearly freed her and her children on his death.
@ritakemi68392 жыл бұрын
he never freed her
@oldschool19932 жыл бұрын
@@ritakemi6839 She and the children were freed after his death as his will stated. She did not want to be freed while he was alive, because under the morality and culture of that time, a free woman living under his roof was strictly taboo.
@scenemaker0315 жыл бұрын
isn't this lady a law professor? what does a law professor's opinion matter in terms of understanding history...
@melvawages71433 жыл бұрын
That is not the explanation in her book either. They edited her comment to mislead is my guess. She's a very smart woman. They tried to dumb her down.
@chariotreign Жыл бұрын
You are all wrong. - Tom J
@kevinchambers48483 жыл бұрын
Another historian on KZfaq stated that by Virgina law any person with only 1/8 black parentage was legally white. Whites in Virginia could not be held as slaves. If true than Sally's children were by Virgina law white and free at birth. This raises even more troubling questions about Jefferson and how he controlled Sally's children. If true, then Sally's children who were only 1/8 black were white under Virgina law and Jefferson therefore had no legal right to hold them in bondage or as slaves and had no right to even free them later in life since they would have been born free whites under Virgina law.
@HelenA-vz5wy2 жыл бұрын
But let's be real here, he was the president. Who do you think was going to try that man?
@ninedaysqueen301 Жыл бұрын
Well the 1/8 freedom rule wasn’t followed well, like most slave laws. Plus, Thomas and Sally’s promise was that the children would be freed at 21.
@winstonsmith85456 жыл бұрын
Actually, a little cream in the coffee, improves it's appearance. Look around.
@MariE-bz2eq6 жыл бұрын
winston smith True that. lmao. I love me some colombian women. They got that perfect mix of european, african, and indigenous ancestry. lol
@zsedcftglkjh Жыл бұрын
What utter fanfiction
@ninedaysqueen301 Жыл бұрын
How is this fanfiction? Enlighten us.
@bunnybird93424 ай бұрын
The only fanfiction here is the Hamilton fandom lol