Given their treatment, it is a wonder that the elephants didn't all do what Tyke did. I can't muster even a drop of sympathy for the trainer. He got what he deserved. Is saddens my greatly that Tyke had to be killed, though I don't think there was any other way to handle the situation at that point.

@@avuhwee Nor would the police have proper training to use a tranqulizer dart. If not done right, it could have not been effective and stressed poor Tyke more, causing more mayhem and suffering. I just wish someone would have been there who knew how/where to shoot to instruct the officers to do it in the quickest way possible, and of course that she wasn't pushed to this point to begin with. I remember talking to a vet on a talk about transporting horses, and someone asked in the unfortunate event of an accident with a trailer and a large number of greviously injured animals what would be the vets vourse of action among methods to euthanize multiple animals quickly. They replied that they would prefer to instruct the police on how to properly use their firearm to euthanise (a method acceptable by AVMA standards), rather than carry a captive bolt gun or attempt to use euthanasia solution. Granted, elephants are much bigger than horses, but perhaps it would have helped the end of suffering come quicker for Tyke than the tragedy that happened. 87 bullets is not how anything deserves to die.

@@avuhwee Yes. A shot on the correct place on the forehead will put a horse out of its misery instantly. Broken legs are a huge gamble with horses because in the lower leg, the majority of the blood supply tricked through the bone itself. Also horses cannot lay down for long. In 1990 when Alydar, an exceptional thoroughbred sire, broke his leg in “suspicious” circumstances, they repaired the break the following morning. The next day, when trying to get up, he fell and shattered his femur. He was euthanized within minutes. Nureyev, another famous racehorse, broke his leg in his paddock. He was so smart that they built him his own small recovery barn with 24/7 care. When he wanted to lay down while in his sling, he would stare at his caretaker and drop his head. That meant “I’m tired of standing; can I lay down for a while?” He went on to live another 10 plus years! So it happens both ways…….

@@russlehman2070 Sedate the animal and bring it to a sanctuary. No animal “has” to be killed.

This, don't mess with an elephant. Anyone with a bit of sense should know this.

Yup. Talk about epic victim blaming.

Only 8 US states have banned animal performers, it's horrifying to me. In my country (the UK), all devolved nations have banned circus performers except Northern Ireland, and that's because their equivalent of congress/senate has refused to pass any laws for 4 of the last 6 years.

Well said.

Well the truth was being told by one guy who had said she did this before out of abuse but much like now, facts are hidden beneath spin stories. I think once the SPCA got wind of it, they let more of the truth be known.

it's kind of like America. it literally makes its own worst enemies.

Many used her as a motivation to ban this type of show and it did in hawaii

Me either. I felt exactly the same emotions. I don't put human emotions on other animals ( we are animals to of course ) but I respect that other species are well able to convey emotion. I'm ashamed to be human sometimes

Yeah, her eyes made me cry. I wouldn't even call it grief. There was some closure in there, some sense of it's finally over or maybe a cry for help and comfort. Apes might be the closest related to humans by genetics, but I bet elephants are the closest in emotion.

​@sarahsander785 Yeah that part made me cry too. 😞 My heart hurts for Tyke.

😢

Yeah, I almost cried. It’s heartbreaking..

sounds just like my dad, he loves elephants

Sounds like a great Dad.

Yes, our abuse of animals to control them, especially that large, shows just how arrogant humans can be.

@@moniqueduval6441 he was a great Dad, and an animal lover. My mom loved elephants and refused to go to circuses afterwards.

Elephants, whales... LET THEM GO!! (Go somewhere where they can live in as natural as life as possible for the remainder of their lives in peace.)

Sadly we are always doing this to animals. Saying they are “bad” or did something “wrong”. Animals are neither good nor bad. They do no right and no wrong. Animals simply are. They react to the world around them and rely on their instincts to survive. Trainers will insist an animal is “difficult” if they won’t learn or obey the exact way we want them to, but really they are not being difficult. They’re simply not wanting to do those things if they see no reason to. This is why positive reinforcement works so well on even wild animals. Because the animal is getting something pleasant or tasty for a behavior, they will want to do that behavior more because they know something good follows. Most animals, even betta fish or sea monkies, can be trained to do things when rewarded.

​@@byuftbl I'm glad we're living in a time where animal intelligence is finally starting to be understood and respected. It only makes sense that their minds are going to work differently from ours. Only once we make an effort to understand them can we start to work with them.

We need to recognize when we do this to our own kind as well…

That's why I'm suspicious of people who say that an animal or person they see as inferior to them as having a bad attitude. It's a phrases abusers and bad bosses love to use.

@@byuftbl I personally believe that most of the time when a person is, for example, bit by a dog, that the bite did not “come out of nowhere” as some would claim. The dog is almost always signaling for the human to back off with body language, and the human is almost always cornering or scaring the dog in some way (even if they don’t mean to). I don’t say this to blame anyone who has been hurt by an animal, but as beings with self awareness it’s our duty to learn how to respect animals instead of expecting them to understand our whims. PS: in grade school I trained my betta fish Fred to swim through a hoop for a science project by giving him food after he swam through it :) just mentioning since you said even betta fish can be trained.

Yeah. At least she has the Rainbow Bridge/Animal Heaven to chill out in. Maybe some family members will be with her, along with all the other poached elephants in history.

and people that support animal abuse. going to Seaworld or going to Zoos for example.

Thanks for being vegan.

@@csp.9203 You don't need to go full vegan. I NEED some animal proteine due to 30 years of an eating disorder. So maybe 1 chicken breast every 3 - 6 months and lean beef maybe 2 times a year ( only in a soup my mom makes, from no one else , no 5 star restaurant ever ) And an egg every 2 months if I sum it up. And no I never ate a burger in my life. Nor chicken nuggets or whatever crushed up mashed together. yikes. If everyone wouldn't be so gluttenous , there would be no need for huge farms.

pretty much any serial killer started out that way.

@@MrBibi86seaworld is fucking gross !!!!

Yeah I’m 100% sobbing

Yeah,, elephants are extremely intelligent and Caitlin is right that we shouldn't anthromorphise them,, however they don't have to have a name to be respected as fellow beings .. it just hit me watching the absolutely surreal scene of an elephant with a show star on her forehead,, tossing her abusers aside and even kneeling on them just to make sure they don't get up,, that the elephant was actually showing more common sense and intelligence than any of the people who were stupid enough to think that they could control a four and a half ton elephant... Like trying to stop a runaway Caterpillar D9 bulldozer... We are now learning, although most people don't realize it how the capitalist culture of dog eat dog is creating serial killers and other assorted maniacs at an ever-increasing rate,, and even people who should know better will blame ONLY the antisocial Maniacs in society without realizing how they are being bred by the very system that claims to be orchestrating society...

Me too honestly

The elephant should have been beaten and tortured MORE honestly. That was the funnies part AND she deserved it. Horrible elephant. 0/10

😢 seen pictures of those elephants tied up and rocking back and forth. Oh my god- so terrible!

Yeah, the phrasing would be more accurate as she was still made to perform, rather than she was allowed to, as if she auditioned or something. It's a minor detail, but useful to stress how horrid her treatment was.

@@blakewhite3131 Elephants were always "made to/forced to," the choice was never ever theirs, it's not a minor detail. They've been treated as slaves, literally beaten into submission in "Crush training." Learn about Crush, which is torture-training. The elephant industry is a cruel one, from pulling logs in the forest, to any other form of work. In Nature as a vital Keystone species, they already have their own "jobs," man has no business reassigning them to something else. I've shared details about their being a vital Keystone species in my *_"Do you think animals are unintelligent?"_* playlist *_description._*

How many of us would have done the same, given the opportunity. Apparently, a lot of "elder abuse" is perpetrated by their grown up children out of revenge for the abuse they suffered. (OK, I'm anthropomorphizing the behavior of an intelligent animal after a lifetime of abuse).

good riddance.

Amen!!

Yeah, I absolutely hate the comments in the news (or from the owner etc) about how this is out of the blue, and for no reason, and unprovoked. Like, this animal is fighting back, she's not attacking, she's defending herself. Rightfully so.

To quote Casual Geographic: "An Animal, is gonna Animal."

💕🥰💕 Thank you for this, since this story is so sad. It took me a few days to be up to this

I think I saw the documentary piece that you are referring to here. It was very moving. There are so many stories like this, about elephants. Humans are doing so much harm to this species that they are expected to be extinct in a very short time. Absolutely, incomprehensibly tragic and avoidable. 😠

@@livingitup9647 There was a more recent story about the death of a man who cared for elephants in the wild. If I recall, as he lay dying in his room, a herd of known elephants came out of the jungle, gathering close to the house. They hadn't been there in years, but somehow knew their friend was breathing his last, and seemed to want to say goodbye. They later turned around, heading back into the jungle.

My local zoo had 2 elephants for a long time, and they decided to send them to a place where they would be part of a larger colony, and they also didn't have to go indoors in the winter like they did here. Some people protested, but c'mon, put them where they belong if they can't live in the wild.

The elephant in the Monroe, LA zoo was retired to an animal sanctuary. When she got there, she recognized another elephant she was raised with and hadn’t seen in years. Elephants never forget is a true saying.

Protected natural parks are the only places these animals belong. There are still 15k-20k elephants held in captivity, the vast majority of them in disgusting terrible conditions. 😞

@DonnyGossett-nz8rp They still torture animals - there are more tigers in captivity than in the wild. Look at what they did to Tillicum! I agree with you, "All animals deserve our protection and respect" - but we're a long, long, way - people still get away with torturing people - look how many sex offenders are let go to repeat their crimes - Polly Klass is a good example of our 'justice' system. ("Boys will be boys" is what I've heard all my 68 years). As long as people are allowed to 'harm' it will continue.

An Asian elephant escaped from a circus a few months ago, up in Montana or some place, so amazingly, there are still some that are made to perform, I don't know how that is. It was on the news, and I think another escaped in a nearby state about a month later.

There is the largest or one of the largest elephants ever they keep at a temple somewhere in india and It had killed many people. like 9 or something.

@@jadall77 Elephants do not belong chained in place no matter where it is; they need to be free to roam, they are sentient creatures, intelligent, they value their freedom and they abhor abuse. Elephants suffer much abuse in captivity, and it's wrong.

Thanks for pointing this out. It slid right past me in the horror of everything else but yes, from Caitlyn, it's pretty damning. ✌️🍍

This is the only time I've felt her lose her cool, or have no respect for the dead. Such a powerful moment coming from her. I've been a subscriber for years now and, for me, that look down spoke a million words.

I fucking loved that moment. I saw that and just went OPE

25:25 that’s the timestamp for anyone interested

As a fully aware person, I didn’t need the soft “sadly passed away”. I was able to understand “died” and did not need to go screaming to my “cry room”.

It goes to show that she almost certainly would have never done that if she wasn't being abused. If she and the other elephants were being treated well and given good food they probably would have never hurt anyone...

What a beautiful post. Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts and memories 🙏💓

That was very informative and beautifully written. Thank You

Thank you for sharing. I also adopted an orphan elephant. Her name is Mzinga and she is beautiful and spirited. I hope one day to go visit the sanctuary.

Thank you. ❤

Animals deserve so much more than what they so often get.🖤🖤🖤

💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

...and the billions of animals, who end up on our plates & as clothes on the daily 😭💔

@@biancat.1873 so go vegan basically?

@@nathandei1674 Yes, please - for the animals :D

She looks absolutely terrified 💔

My thoughts too, I cried and cried

i agree. part of the reason she “didn’t go down” was probably because of fight-or-flight adrenaline.

they shot her so many times over such a long period, she must have been in horrible pain. this was heartbreaking to see.

This moved me so much that I had to play my flute and compose a song for Tyke and all ill l treated animals. (I'm native american)

Thank you for sharing this, I really needed to read something about a happy well treated elephant

EDIT: Tai the elephant actress (mentioned in original comment), and her herd, has been controlled with a bullhook for her entire life, which is the reason she was moved out of California a decade ago when bullhooks were made illegal in the state. There is video of the owners ABUSING Tai, and even some video of other herd members covered in injuries from the bullhooks and electric shocks. Tai and another elephant died suddenly and mysteriously without much explanation. I do hope more people look into their story. Yes, it was very touching to interact with them all whether through a movie set or elephant rides but they are NOT in a safe environment. original: I remember riding Tai or Rosie at the fair as a kid, and seeing the 4 elephants together. She was very gentle and I always wondered what happened to her later. When did you work with her?

Working with animals can be so rewarding!

Wow. I'm so glad that you have a good story to share.

I'm glad to read of an elephant that was treated so kindly.

I’ve watched enough Casual Geographic to know that elephants do not forgive disrespect or those that disrespected them.

Are you vegan ?

​@@peggedyourdad9560 Yes. An elephant will co-sign your obituary.

For context, people in the Boomer generation were taught by "experts", ie, academia through colleges and universities, that animals were automatons. Animals were not self-aware, did not possess a soul and did not have feelings. That goes a long way to explaining why these circus folks treated the animals in this way. I'm not excusing their abusive behavior one bit. The prevailing "science" at the time firmly and with authority that animals were things, not separate, unique individuals as we see them today. I'm adding blame to this "authority" as well. Today there is very little doubt in anyone that animals have feelings, are self aware and are unique souls having an experience.

@@oddvegan9797 find a personality

An Elephant Never Forgets

Good on your mom for being responsible!

Good Mom.

They take them out of their matriarchal system and it's surprising this didn't happen more.

yup the exact some thing happened to me when I was a kid, I was pestering the family dog on a hot day and she finally bit me, 100% had it coming, she was otherwise a very gentle dog.

The same thing happened to me too. As a kid I kept provoking the cat on purpose, and when she finally slashed me in the face I ran crying to my mum who gave me no sympathy at all and said "Serves you right". I learned an important lesson that day.

I understand why he’d do that. That’s a legitimate concern/point of view. Then, I think of the time before motorized vehicles, horses were a main mode of transportation, whether ridden on or pulling some sort of conveyance. Having said that, a person or family using horses for transportation isn’t the same as using animals in some sort of circus performance aren’t the same.

@@davenport7321 And also the horses are often raised alongside the family, so you know how its being treated etc

Your dad sounds like an awesome guy!

Most of us horse people don’t get to raise the animal. But if you respect them and are constantly observing behavior they have some extremely easy to spot tells for anxiety/aggression/depression etc. and just like dogs you commonly find some that you can tell have clearly been abused and will have some very specific triggers that cause bad behaviors. Horses are amazing animals but the fact is they are not as intelligent as an elephant. They should be cared for as a family member, but the more intelligent the animal, the more dangerous. Just like with my students…the smartest ones cause the absolute most chaos when bored. Not only are these elephants bored and experiencing abuse, they are intelligent enough and intiluitive enough to make some advanced connections. So of course when they snap, they will SNAP. I truly don’t believe it’s wrong to keep and raise wild animals for conservation purposes in adequate facilities with the most realistic habitat possible, but I do believe that circuses are wrong. And I grew up loving them as a kid. But these animals aren’t meant for captivity and should not be held there unless they cannot be re-released or are there to conserve the species.

@@PetThePeeves The main difference being that horses are domesticated. They're still able to kill a human, sure, but they have been genetically modified to be docile around humans (yes that's what domestication do) while elephants are just tortured into submission, which works, but a lot less than domestication ^^'

I know, Joe Francis and Nash Entertainment (Creators of "Banned from TV" and "World's Most Amazing Videos" respectively) did paint her as a out of control animal when they showed footage of that on their shows/videos

Victims usually are especially when they can't speak for themselves or aren't allowed to.

100% Agreed. Stolen, beaten, maybe starved, often alone, in a tiny space. Elephants are extremely social and empathetic animals . They recognise bones of a dead family member years after their death .

Elephants have a good memory!!

Elephants are very emotional and do not forget, the good and bad. 💓

She should have taken out more of her abusers tbh.

Elephants are like crows lol

How dare you say that!!? She didn't deserve to die!!!

Animals have no potential for evil intentions, only humans have that. The disposition to exploitation for the sake of power and self aggrandizement is not an animal trait, and exists only in the human species.

It's a fear that explains so much! At times I wonder why people develop superiority complexes around animals, I remember that Manifest Destiny mindsets used to be a thing, and realize that people gravitated towards that bs because most people probably had some old insecurities on being considered animals themselves centuries ago.

I don't know what country you're from, but culturally, the US is generally two things: extremely individualist and consumerist. People here often value their enjoyment and freedom above all else, and view any sort of restriction as an attack on this.

My goodness... Your story brought tears to my eyes... Just curious, has this experience changed your opinion of animals, including the animals, that we call livestock ?

@@SpringNotes Hi Karen, ~9000 animals are killed for every acre of your fru fru special awesome wholly 'vegan' produce. But, you know, you don't care about field mice and crickets and worms and such, because they're not cute. Don't even start.

Your story reminds me of a time when I went to a circus and lined up to ride an elephant, before hand I just wanted to look at them and I had gotten some peanuts. I held them up and wanted to give her some. As she reached out her trunk the trainer standing next to her must have had a bull hook, which I was not aware of; he was looking at me and shaking his head no and said, "don't do that" but did I listen? No I wanted to give her some peanuts! What's wrong with that? In my stupidity I caused her to be punished for reaching her trunk out. I never did step near her or give them to her but she reached out and we made eye contact, and the trainer didn't like that. I'm so sorry Suzy. The circus was called Carson & Barnes and it was in Soccoro, New Mexico. Since then I have learned the horrible fate that awaits captured baby elephants who are tortured in the US, and in other countries to train them to serve humans. Despicable.

@@jeanier7185 I just found out a Carson and Barnes trainer was caught abusing an elephant in 2011 in MA, and two weeks later the circus was fined for using a bullhook at a show in CT. Some Carson and Barnes elephants ended up at Circus World, where one escaped and wandered a residential neighborhood after another elephant unlocked cages. Also, the elephant I made that connection with in 1983 is named Viola, and she's being "retired" this year, along with Isa, the other elephant Circus World has had for a long time.

Spring notes stfu redditor stop trying to use other people's story's to push your narrative

And don't forget her "owner", Cuneo! 😡

I am straight on ugly crying. Its just not fair. I am so mad and frustrated. Poor girl died alone on the streets without any form of love or compassion. I wish I could delete this information from my brain, or just delete the whole situation from he world when we are at it. Just place the poor baby back with her mum in Africa 😣

Yes! “Rest in Hell, Allen Campbell” I agree

rest in piss he wont be missed

I don't think it matters where we're from, mistreated of animals and their habitat is fundamentally a terrible trait mankind must take out of our equation.

😐😥😥😥🤧

Are you vegan?

@@oddvegan9797 no, and one can eat meat and still care about how animals are treated.

@@monkeygirl1894 Yes, of course. One can also consciously rape a woman and care about their rights.

Elephants in particular are SUPER smart. They practically have culture. They hold FUNERALS for their loved ones when they pass. They MOURN. they recognize people. They remember people. Their memory is impecable. I love elephants so much. Tyke knew what she was doing, but it was something she felt she had to do. Which, from her perspective, I can’t blame her. It’s not like she can communicate and ask for help. The only way to get freedom is to fight and escape. :(

Not just "smart", but social. They require and enjoy company of fellow pachaderms, and other self aware mammals, including sympathetic and animal friendly humans.

Sadly, people, especially people in power, are slow to act unless it's in their own living room.

And that the us just banned that kind of acts just in 5 out of 50 states

Dont give them our dollars and it will stop. Its like tourists that go to spain for the bull fights disgusting. The bull can never win it will die either way.

If there are people that want to see this kind of entertainment to this day.

It's illegal where I live, since the early '90s There are only humans in our circuses (Canberra, Australia)

Not just that, also thinking we're superior and have full control over others.

yes we have a human supremacy complex. our relationship with animals and the ecosystems is completely broken. when did we all stop placing values on other sentient living breathing beings?

We are related by evolution and coming from the same planet. It's rather astounding how easily peeps can fall into the fallacy of thinking we are apart from nature. I'm not sure I remember the title of the book, it was something like "Animal Minds", and had chapters on ants, archerfish, an African Grey Parrot (Alex), elephants, and other animals. Even without using language the same way we humans do, there is a helluva lot that goes on in an animal's head.

Ironically tho the people who assume that display that they themselves are stunted in those same qualities... They are the ones who are not feeling/thinking/having emotions...

@@sarasteege2265 I will have to try and find that! Thanks for the suggestion. "How to speak whale" is also another amazing book that goes into communication and minds of cetaceans and other animals as well.

I don't know how the videigrapher held it together while zooming in on her face while she slid down that car.

☹️😭😣 It's only right we know

DUDE I THINK I KNOW ONE OF THOSE UNDERCOVER GUYS. I'll message him and ask if this was the group he was with.

So sad.

One of the most informative/educational videos I’ve ever watched on UTube thank you 💔

​@@clarewhite3004if he was one of them, thank him for his service for me.

Yeah, she was just giving the new groom the whatfor. Maybe, he had been good to her, she just messed around with him, she could have stomped his brains out.

It reminds me of a discussion I once had with a retired welsh coal miner. he told me point blank that the miners did whatever they could to make the pit ponies lives as comfortable as possible, even going so far as to give the horses time off during the summer holidays. because those horses could hold grudges. more than once a cruel miner would hurt a horse only for the horse to engineer a trap for its abuser, and none of the miners would help the man, because they knew he had harmed the horse.

I bet you are right. The story about Black Diamond seeing his abuser in an audience and attacking him is so striking because it drives home the fact that elephants remember and recognise humans who have hurt them, and will take their revenge. You would think trainers would behave better knowing this, and from watching the Tyke documentary it seems clear that they genuinely do know this, but as Caitlin said its all about having complete domination over a creature so much stronger than you. I bet she is right, too, that Tyke realised she was heading for the mother of all beatings if she didn't run.

Yeh it was definitely personal against him - you could see a difference in how she was going for them. You can’t blame her - everyone has a breaking point where they can’t take it anymore. I have no sympathy for that “person”.

Hate to say this about anyone dying but he deserved it. Can't help but him feel like he relished the power he had over such a large and powerful animal, and I really can't blame her for unleashing all the pain and fear he put her through back on to him

How much of an idiot do you have to be to swing a branch at an elephant? Friendly or not, those things can end you in a second if they wanted

Me too :( That poor, beautiful creature deserved so much better.

Same

I cried too

Oh my goodness, same. That poor, poor baby.

I cried too.

Happy endings are few and far between. Thank you for sharing, I'm off to find The Urban Elephant now. :D

@@nephicus339 It's on youtube. Just search for everything in quotation marks.

As soon as I saw "circus elephant" in the thumbnail, I knew it was going to be an animal abuse story and the elephant was going to get shot.

I can't avoid to compare her with my dog. He also misbehaves sometimes and when I call him about it, he tends to stop, walk back and look around knowing he did something wrong. The huge difference is that he never runaway because he never felt that fear. I legitimate cried at that part.

Poor elephants in general. Most are living in captivity, chained.

Totally. I do feel bad for the inexperienced trainer that the boss threw under the bus, though. I hope he was able to transition to a career of performing with other humans or in veterinary care where he could help animals without making them perform or something.

​@@laurenconrad1799there's a documentary about it called 'Tyke: Elephant Outlaw' and while it's been a long time since I watched it I am pretty sure it showed at least one, maybe a couple of ex trainers who were SO guilty about what techniques they had been taught to use and have since moved on to sanctuary work! It's a bit like some of the training methods we used to use on dogs - I've heard a few force-free trainers now talk about being a kid and being taught by trainers then to slap or choke their dogs and how awful they feel about it now. Some people do try to do better once they know better.

@@laurenconrad1799 Good response gurl !!! Or comeback …❤❤❤❤

I'm glad you posted this comment. I'm watching this video several times because I haven't seen a new video since. I love her channel so I hope she lets us know she's okay...

Same here, I came to see if I just had missed something but nope. Hope she’s doing good at least 😢

She's taking a sabbatical year. No content 😢 but I support her either way

That was devastating. You can see and feel her pain and fear.

when you look into the eyes of farm animals such cows, pig, chicken, ducks, turkey, goats, sheeps, etc., you will see the same fear and distress. definitely wanting to know why this is happening and why humans are doing this to them. what would you say if livestock can ask you that question - how do we justify killing 80 billion land animals annually worldwide (mainly for food products)

@@ito_tofu5324 Look dude I'm gonna admit there is merit to the point you present. I was raised on and around farms so I am used to animals being killed for meat, you're absolutely not wrong that cows and pigs will show the same fear in their eyes when it is time for them to be slaughtered. It is not a pleasant process. But the key difference is at least the meat IS eaten. This poor elephant was just dumped in a dang landfill like trash when they probably didn't even have to kill her to begin with, they basically killed her out of revenge for the guy she killed, but when it took 80+ dang bullets to kill her, I can't help but wonder if a few tranquilizers would have been better... Anyways tho, I just don't believe it's wrong to kill an animal if you intend to eat it. That's just nature. But if you kill an animal just to enjoy it's suffering, or out of revenge for something it did as a wild animal, esp when the animal is endangered (bc obvs killing an animal for meat is still wrong if the animal's species can't easily replenish itself) then you're being a d-bag. So if I was asked by an animal to justify it, here it is: Because we actually used it, we didn't just wastefully throw it away. Just saying too, my weenie dogs enjoy their bacon just as much as I do, and I even if I wanted to go vegan, as a responsible dog owner I'd still have to provide my dogs with meat. So... It just kinda seems like a "There's no way to really win" situation. You just gotta do your best to do the least damage, bc just by existing something else will suffer one way or another.

Stop that image haunts me 😢😢😢 poor tyke

Yeah, the camera shot into her eye was devastating. I had to pause. 😢

How does someone go about becoming an elephant rescuer? I would love to spend all day with an elephant

@@ghin780 Hi Ghin, our business Arte for Elephants and AFE Adventures partners with ethical sanctuaries around the world to raise funds to get elephants moved from exploitative conditions (circuses, riding camps, logging camps and substandard zoos) to accredited sanctuaries around the world. There are many wonderful, ethical places that desperately need support, recognition and to help spread awareness. Many people don't realize that elephant riding is really painful and unethical (elephants need to be broken and beaten to allow people to sit on their backs, because they are not designed to be weight bearing). My suggestion is to check out ethical sanctuaries around the world. Some don't allow visits, but some do (also, beware of "fake" sanctuaries, that pretend to be good for elephants but still force performances and use bull hooks). Some amazing, ethical sanctuaries include: Elephant Nature Park (Thailand) Wildlife SOS (India) Performing Animals Welfare Society (USA) Elephant Haven (France). Sheldrick Wildlife Trust (Nairobi) Global Sanctuary for Elephants (Brazil) Some don"t allow visitors except for special events. You'd need to do research. We host volunteer retreats several times a year .I won't post a link here because this post is too important to plug our business specifically- but you can search and find AFE Adventures.

thanks for what you do.

Always keep an eye out regardless of how KZfaq is doing! And if your content creators have other socials I would suggest following them on there as they often post when they produce new videos

She's ok. Just taking some time off. I wish more KZfaqrs would do this instead of being forced to constantly ignore and neglect their health to produce content and get a paycheck

I literally giggled at that. Most of the rest of this video made me want to cry, but that brief moment was epic.

but he was such an attractive man....inner beauty does shine through doesn't it?

She voiced her disdain in keeping to this saying; "Speak none but good of the dead." In other words; John Cuneo jr. is dead, and that is good.

I totally missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

From the history involved, I would say his presence alone was enough to trigger her.

I agree...that looked personal.

I've heard tales from a retired carny that you do NOT fuck with the elephants. They WILL remember you.

@@mommachupacabra they don't say "an elephant never forgets" for no reason. A herd of elephants marched 12 hours to the house of Lawrence Anthony after he died - the man who saved them. They stayed there silent for two days. Exactly one year after his death, to the day, the herd marched to his house again. so it makes sense that they would also remember those that were cruel to them too...

And, elephants are social animals...they need to be in a herd with their families...NOT in a zoo or the circus, but in an elephant sanctuary.

You’ve made a good point

How sweet!

Some animals seem to understand that young creatures sometimes get themselves into situations where they need some help.

​​@@linabasilisk1955 to be fair, elephant babies do get themselves stuck in situations like that quite often 😅

In their home territory, behavioral scientists have been watching wild elephants, and have come to some conclusion that they tend to think humans are actually cute, similar to the way we think puppies and kittens are cute... There are certain groups of people with particular patterns and designs and color motifs, that avoid harassing the elephants and even help, leaving signs for food and water (that elephants CAN decipher), among other things, and the elephants DO remember them... Wearing similar clothes and hats, and singing their particular songs can disengage an elephant in the territory from aggressive posturing, with near stunning reliability just "by association". In fact... Years after a civil war in Africa (Can't recall the country specifically, sorry) there was a shocking increase in rampages and elephants "acting violent and crazy"... Turns out that during the war, poaching for ivory was part of the war-funding operations (on both sides) and it had practically wiped out the Adult Male population. Dubiously, the violent and crazy activities of the elephants overwhelmingly involved young males coming to maturity, meaning they'd been born during the war or were VERY young at the time. With the introduction of imported Adult Males, the rampages diminished over months and were nearly non-existent in the following year or two. Like probably 99% of animals on the planet, including ourselves, elephants are piss poorly understood... AND for the "anthropomorphosizing" warning... How do you suppose animals have instincts and behavioral patterns? It's biochemistry that we HAVE been mapping and cataloguing, from pheromones to testosterone and estrogen determining sexual maturity, aggression, and the estrus cycle (or menses, depending on species)... Most of our own emotional bases are biochemical markers and "neurotransmitters"... The dubious "difference" between us (humans) and other animals, regardless of their general processing powers or "intelligence" perceived, is our "metacognition". We're the only animal that we know of that ever looked around at what we were doing and asked "What the f*ck is the point of all this sh*t???" AND we've sunk ever after into an ever deepening hole of questions, half-truths, and larger misunderstandings EVER SINCE. ;o)

​@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I came here to say all this, but you said it way better. ❤

We have an elephant in our zoo here. Over my thirry-something years I watched her environment adapt as they got better at understanding her needs. Sad that it took so long, but as she's near the end of her life expectancy, specialists say it's way too risky to move her to a sanctuary and that she almost assuredly wouldn't survive the trip. So now she gets to do what she wants, when she wants. She may or may not show up for talks about her. She's attended to carefully and can sometimes be seen walking around the back areas of the zoo with a gaggle of humans in tow because she wanted to go for a walk. I wish she could go to a sanctuary, but it's comforting to know that they're doing the best they can for her and are constantly updating what that is.

I looked into a gorilla’s eyes once - and I no longer go to zoos. It was the cherry on the cake of a long, tearful day. Polar bears neurotically swimming in circles. Baboons raping a cage-mate. A gorilla clearly depressed. I was done.

​@@dddilworth12 The moment I KNEW animals are the same as us with thoughts, feelings and a soul was when I locked eyes with a gorilla at the zoo. These are just beings like us having a physical experience. Who are we to change that wild, free experience they should be having?

@@manaash4316 Is this elephant named Lucy, by chance? I have no doubt she could have been moved to sanctuary years ago when she was healthier but officials didn't want to lose out on the money she generated. Now that she is elderly and in poor health, she cannot be safely moved. I'm still not in any way impressed with her care. An elephant has absolutely no business being that far north.

@@dddilworth12 What kind of roadside zoo did you go to? That is in no way the norm for accredited, legitimate zoos.

That's not even the worst part. Not only did those poor last 16 elephants prob compromise a good chunk of the entire population, but that TB outbreak probably further endangered the already endangered population. I also wouldn't be surprised if this is where a LOT of Siberian tiger inbreeding originated.

Elites = Humans, Humans = Elephants... It is luck of the draw as to which trainers are in charge...

Oof same dude... I can't...

Well said Meg :)

We love you!!!! ❤❤ Please don't stop posting. KZfaq sucks...

Word

@@majaherold1325 , As I know the term "word" is a southern U.S. based term short for the phrase "Word of God" taken from the Bible. As this is the internet (World wide) your meaning may be something I know nothing of. I guess I am asking how are you using the single word "Word" in this context? An as you may be a Christian you are using it as the "Word of God". In my nation most use that term and have no idea it's true meaning... so if you would be so kind as to share Maja, thanks.

@@Reason1717 In this case it just means "true", like, I'm basically just agreeing with the original commenter. It has nothing to do with god, I'm not religious.

Thank you🙏💜

This is a comment with lots of likes so I wanna drop this here so the makers of the Ask a Mortician Channel could see it: Next time you talk about a case like this, I BEG YOU, to include the cultural differences of this. Shit like this is legal but not everywhere. The EU banned the use of Megafauna in circuses and people are still complaining about it, even though this is a great decision. The US NEEDS TO STOP allowing RANDOM PEOPLE WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS owning LARGE WILD ANIMALS. Sorry I just wanted to state this. Hope we can next time also get a conclusion, like, what the law states now, what petitions we can sign for this to stop and where we can head next, because if we don't get that, people are just gonna watch this content and then nod along and watch a different youtube video, moving on, without utilizing their sadness and outrage to stop this shit once and for all. I bet there are animal rights organisations fighting against this and I bet there are petitions online and I feel like its important to round videos like this up with stuff like this, so we can redirect emotions into a helpful cause at the end. And I also feel like its the responsibility of the ASK A MORTICIANs team, to link us resources so we arent left alone with our anger at this and can actually feel like we are at least able to do something. I PERSONALLY WOULD IMMEDIATELY SIGN EVERYTHING THAT GETS PEOPLE LIKE CUNEO BANNED FROM EVER OWNING ANY ANIMAL EVER AGAIN. This man didn't even face legal consequences.

Some people are into that humans are weird.

The news article shown at 13:40 says Tyke was only 21 years old. 💔

​@@eloylie Yep, circuses don't need megafauna to be amazing. Cirque du Soleil is an amazing human-centric circus, and other circuses can do more than enough with just their normal acrobats, clowns, other performers, and domesticated animals.

Yes, the fact that she had absolutely nowhere to run to really bothered me.

I agree with you 100%. Seeing her run for her life felt like how I would feel if I was kidnapped as a child and forced into being a bonded labour for life. I, too, would hurt my kidnappers and tourturers and make a run for it. Anywhere. Just run. I could feel her nervousness to get away as fast as possible. Maybe she was searching for a forest to escape into.... such a sad life. Being snatched from her loving mom, taken to an alien world, tortured, starved and forced to perform for people. And for what? To throw a stupid ball and stand on hind legs? I'm so ashamed of the human race sometimes. Humans are capable of the lowest of lows. You've put my feelings exactly in words.

The heart of mankind is very dark. 😡

Me too 😢

Mannn, same I rarely get this emotional but the video of them shooting her really bothered me

Still crying.

😪😪😪😪😪😪

😭😭😭 It sounds like you recognized right away (*as a child*) that she wasn’t a monster, but that she was just hurt and scared.

@@megapiglatin2574 there are so many comments of peeps were children and knew and felt how inherently wrong it was for precious animal beings to be “ enslaved”……

Exactly, there was no reason to shoot her at all. Cops with their guns… How did they think their little pistols would have any effect?? They should have just let her run and kept tabs on her until she stopped. But even then, there wouldn’t have been any happy ending for this poor creature

@@heatherduke7703 seriously, she was literally trapped. they could have waited for someone with the resources to sedate her so she could be taken to a sanctuary, or at the very least put her down humanely. instead they tortured her to death.

Your dad is correct. Remember when the child got into the gorilla enclosure, and they killed the silverback? This kind of thing as happened before. The silverback normally looks the kid over and then walks away, realizing there is no threat.

the argument against anthropomorphizing animals is because it doesn’t sound scientific to assume/deduce that animals are feeling and intelligent beings and also to excuse humans behaving superior to the animals they abuse or experiment on

I feel like elephants are emotionally intelligent enough for us to empathise with them. Our social structures and life cycles are similar.

Wow good job!

You're so damn cool for that 💖

@@madeofamethysts oh thanks- young disrupter since elementary school that’s me

I remember that it too.....we were going to take some of our disabled clients to the circus and people were protesting. I saw the signs and that was the last time I have ever gone to an animal show. The protestors made me think to myself "why would a lion jump through a ring of fire?" cause that's what they were having the lions and tigers do.

Thankfully, today there are lots of circuses that don't use animals 🌝

I would not have been able to handle my mom's death without Caitlyn.

@@OverdramaticAngel precious one - i, a stranger stand beside you in your time of great sorrow. Peace be with you dear one- ALWAYS and in ALL WAYS.

@@2TexasTuff Thank you so much. ❤