Why Didn't the Romans Conquer Scotland?

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Despite two major efforts, the Romans never managed to conquer Caledonia - roughly modern Scotland - preferring to build the defensive barrier we know as Hadrian's Wall. This video considers why...
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:46 Agricola's campaigns
1:19 The invasion of Septimius Severus
2:33 Established Titles
3:43 The challenges of mountains
4:38 Imperial grand strategy
5:18 A tour of the frontiers
6:35 Why southern Britain was conquered
7:18 Why Scotland wasn't

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@thomash8079
@thomash8079 Жыл бұрын
I never knew the Romans sailed around the Orkney islands before, makes me wonder just how far from home Roman explorers traveled. That’d make for an interesting video
@michaelstevens9256
@michaelstevens9256 Жыл бұрын
Look up the recorded sub Saharan expeditions, really amazing stuff
@girthbrooks39
@girthbrooks39 Жыл бұрын
I second @@michaelstevens9256 great suggestion. Absolutely wild read, if you haven't yet, you'll most certainly NOT be disappointed!
@toldinstone
@toldinstone Жыл бұрын
As it happens, I have a video on that topic coming relatively soon. Stay tuned...
@kesorangutan6170
@kesorangutan6170 Жыл бұрын
@@toldinstone Wait really? Can you also cover Periplus of Erythrean Sea in that video? Your channel is amazing my friend!
@joebombero1
@joebombero1 Жыл бұрын
They had detailed maps of India and Southeast Asia through what is now Thailand. Roman coins have been found in Vietnam and Japan.
@wanderingsoul7935
@wanderingsoul7935 Жыл бұрын
In Scotland there lurks a dangerous predator that nobody can escape, it attacks when you least expect, driving all that enter it's domain before it, it's called the midge, not even the might of the Roman empire could defeat it.
@freebeerfordworkers
@freebeerfordworkers Жыл бұрын
Argh! You've reminded me of a nightmare weekend camping in Glentrool!
@fanroche8573
@fanroche8573 Жыл бұрын
or a tory
@paulbeard3238
@paulbeard3238 Жыл бұрын
Or a cranky in a Sturgeon you don't want that ever 😯😳🤭
@fanroche8573
@fanroche8573 Жыл бұрын
@@paulbeard3238 the one who has won every election since 2014 and seen every other witless leader off...all together now...ding dong the union's dead...ding dong the wicked union's dead :) xx
@BarryHWhite
@BarryHWhite Жыл бұрын
Bloody midges !!!, what have the midges ever done for us ?.
@kanamisprs4330
@kanamisprs4330 Жыл бұрын
There is another wall that most people outside Scotland don't seem to know of. The Antonine wall that runs from the Firth of Clyde to the Firth of Forth. Parts of it and its defenses can still be found. Would be nice if it got some attention.
@tsarmonkeyii5598
@tsarmonkeyii5598 Жыл бұрын
the firth of forth sounds like a bad tongue twister lol.
@andrewroberts7428
@andrewroberts7428 Жыл бұрын
@@CreateHarmony or anyone that knows anything about walls!!!!!
@oftin_wong
@oftin_wong Жыл бұрын
It's very well documented in fact and in every documentary on the topic of Rome in ancient Britain
@paulwilkinson7977
@paulwilkinson7977 Жыл бұрын
I agree it should get more attention .People just think it ended at hadrians wall and it didn't..
@Lanarkish
@Lanarkish Жыл бұрын
@Phr34ky PHY The Antonine Wall was built of turf. A number of the Antonine Wall forts were built of stone too.
@zachdugan7320
@zachdugan7320 Жыл бұрын
"Speak scout. What are our opponents like" "These mofos be hurlin trees around for fun" "Aight ima head out"
@ericfern8869
@ericfern8869 Жыл бұрын
The Romans decided not to invade Scotland, because they were warned that this disruption might jeopardize the future development of Scotch whisky, and that could not be allowed!
@3John-Bishop
@3John-Bishop Жыл бұрын
The Romans were turned off by the plaid kilts.
@normdeeploom5945
@normdeeploom5945 Жыл бұрын
Lol I was about to comment “because the Scots were there and they didn’t have whiskey yet”
@finn013
@finn013 Жыл бұрын
Also they found that the scottish had a habit of coming south and lurking around the area that would one day become kings cross. They would drink excessively and act belligerent to passers by. The scottish of today continue this tradition, with every single scottish emigrant south doing at least one “tour of duty” outside Kings Cross, clutching their cans of tennants and spesh.
@rosanneshinkle4133
@rosanneshinkle4133 Жыл бұрын
LOL. Bravo!
@julianshepherd2038
@julianshepherd2038 Жыл бұрын
@@finn013 thanks for the racism. Indyref2 please.
@BingusDingusLingus
@BingusDingusLingus Жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Every time I run out of Poscum, Wine, or oil, I cry inconsolably until a new Toldinstone video comes out, Or until my errand boy arrives from the market. Whichever comes first, and it’s usually the former!
@hassanabdel-hafeez1592
@hassanabdel-hafeez1592 Жыл бұрын
errand boy
@jtgd
@jtgd Жыл бұрын
Praise Dionysius
@johna.4334
@johna.4334 Жыл бұрын
Ash, tell us more about the intimate relationship you have with your "errand boy".
@curiodyssey3867
@curiodyssey3867 Жыл бұрын
I love, love, love how almost every single video you drop is so refreshingly unique, and not the same old small obscure fact everyone already knows that somehow is then stretched into a 15 minute video by every other history/ random science 'fact' channel. nah...every one of your videos is so well done, from the script being able to portray both concise generalizations and intimate peeks into the personal lives of the people you so perfectly portray. from the princes to the peasants to the vast array of incredible art pieces you somehow have, to the way you create such a vivid picture with the script you have a gift my dude. you get me hyped about history. you're gonna blow up if u stay at it
@robert9016
@robert9016 Жыл бұрын
Well said Tony
@tomasmurcu
@tomasmurcu Жыл бұрын
Yep totally agree. No 4 minute intro about "The land of queen Elizabeth was once a very different place...blablabla". Instead he immediately dives into the subject with the assumption that the listener has more than a middle school education. Told in Stone is truly a great channel
@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582
@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582 Жыл бұрын
Well put. Consistent vibes of putting being a historian well before being another algorithm-chaser. Dude's cool
@curiodyssey3867
@curiodyssey3867 Жыл бұрын
@@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582 spoken even better than i. Was having difficulty getting the general idea of what I was trying to say into actual words But it always ends up too wordy. I like how you put it much better. Thank you lol.
@nhopkins
@nhopkins Жыл бұрын
Hear hear
@andrewg.carvill4596
@andrewg.carvill4596 Жыл бұрын
For the Romans there would have been something quite sinister about the short length of day in Winter. It's significant that they never conquered anywhere too remote from where you could cultivate wheat and grapes. And look what the barbarians did to them in 9 AD in the forests in the north of Germany. They called Ireland 'Hibernia' - land of winter, presumably thinking that being further from Rome, it was even colder than Caledonia. It must have seemed to them that the further from Rome you got in a generally north and west direction, the worse the weather, the food, and the barbarians became. Better just to build a wall and keep the buggers out .......
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Make sense
@themk4982
@themk4982 Жыл бұрын
That’s very fair. With modern luxuries like radiators and electric lights, the winter can seem more like an annoyance or a gimmick than anything. For large fractions of the world’s current population nowadays and almost everyone just 200 years ago? The winter was hell. That was when your children died and you desperately attempted to stay warm and alive. Christmas and winter celebrations were a reminder of the good parts of life when they were all but gone. To go from the warm and temperate Italy, France and Greece to place that would be frozen over 4 months of the year if it wasn’t for rainforest levels of annual rainfall (really, look it up) would be deeply discomforting and facing people who simply lived there their whole lives would be gruelling. The difference in general moral alone would play significantly into whether both soldiers and generals would want to fight, especially when there isn’t anything to really fight for.
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM Жыл бұрын
@@themk4982 It's why they use such grim cinematography for movies in the northern parts of Europe, while the Mediterranean is always that vibrant summer with colorful architecture.
@enricomanno8434
@enricomanno8434 Жыл бұрын
I agree with your analysis.. Except the story about the teotoburg forest in Germania The Roman lost 3 legions because a Roman Knight of German origin, Arminius, prepared a trap in that forest So nothing to do with the cold weather.
@tolrem
@tolrem Жыл бұрын
Interesting fact.The higher ground,cliffs etc along Hadrians wall are actually the point where two separate land masses collided millions of years ago.The same goes for Ulster and Southern Ireland.[they were originally "moored" just off Manhattan.]Same goes for Cornwall.That's why tin is only found there and nowhere else in Britain.
@Dian-kb2hg
@Dian-kb2hg Жыл бұрын
Angus mc bagpipe....
@yorkshirepudding9860
@yorkshirepudding9860 Жыл бұрын
I've often wondered what was going through the minds of ordinary foot soldiers in these campaigns, especially the ones who came from warmer climates. They must have been really hacked off!
@Nikolaj11
@Nikolaj11 Жыл бұрын
History tells us that it was not uncommon for soldiers stationed at Hadrian's Wall to desert or even join in with arriving raiding parties. I imagine the pay was not worth the posting.
@ChideNorms
@ChideNorms Жыл бұрын
Honestly, not a lot. They were very low IQ. Think about they, they were convinced to be footmen lol.
@yorkshirepudding9860
@yorkshirepudding9860 Жыл бұрын
@@Nikolaj11 Oh dear, I'd be seriously annoyed if I was living at the border. Imagine you are being controlled by this occupying force, then they join in with raiding you as well.
@cerberus6654
@cerberus6654 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading an article some years ago about letters or scraps of correspondence written on parchment found in a midden at one of the castles along the wall. So many referred to cold feet and the need of thick knitted wool socks! One, by the wife of a Roman officer was an invitation to a birthday party and she stressed bringing warm socks and cloaks. And those stone castles must have been iceboxes. I spent a week one August filming in a castle in La Mancha and although outside you could fry an egg on the pavement, inside it was dank and chill.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
These are the letters of vindolanda fort
@spankflaps1365
@spankflaps1365 Жыл бұрын
What did Rocky say when he completed the Roman Wall? Yo Hadrian! I did it!
@kenklein9228
@kenklein9228 Жыл бұрын
"Hadrian, oh Hadrian!"
@jg90049
@jg90049 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, the common thread that describes why the Romans stopped everywhere they stopped is cost/benefit. If a territory didn't promise a positive flow of wealth over cost, the Romans didn't bother with it.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Logical, make sense
@kingbjorn1832
@kingbjorn1832 Жыл бұрын
Then why keep Britannia for so fucking long? Was poor as fuck and rainy all day. God.
@ForageGardener
@ForageGardener Жыл бұрын
@@kingbjorn1832 tryna exterminate celts
@Kaizzer
@Kaizzer Жыл бұрын
@@kingbjorn1832 perhaps natural resources (metals), but I can easily be wrong
@alicelund147
@alicelund147 Жыл бұрын
Or they where just defeated. They did bother with it. When you retreat with broken armies it is easy to say it was not worth it. Remember we don't have the Scots or the Germanic tribes version of events. We just have the Roman excuses preserved in writing. And what about the Parthians? Rome fought them for hundreds of years because that was cost effective?
@robertosans5250
@robertosans5250 Жыл бұрын
Just came back from Hadrian’s wall path. The Romans had a pretty solid defence and taxation system which was probably more value for money compared to a full occupation of Caledonia.
@71kimg
@71kimg Жыл бұрын
@Phr34ky PHY pretty sure taxing livestock would be enough to feed the troops - and in that sense it’s logical that Antonine Wall failed since there would be little trade
@theodoresmith5272
@theodoresmith5272 Жыл бұрын
Exactly in comes down to money. We see empire maps and they have huge areas covered but the truth is most are more patchy based on $$. The romans were in Iberia about 200 BC til after rome fell yet never really took the north or Pyrenees mountains. They have ports on the coast but little inland on spains northern coast so ships could port every night or every couple but they were small. When an area was To rough, no great value, going to be an expensive expedition to take and then to garrison in an area guerilla warfare is made for, many empires are smart enough to save the money. Easier to build a wall/ or come to an agreement with those tribes and just trade them for the few things worth it. In spain I'm saying good cheese and honey were the commodity worth the most in the mountains. Now the places to grow grain like the ebro valley, wine and olive oil in the south of Spain, the silver mines in the West and lets not forget fish and the Romans loved fish sauce which the best came tuna caught off Spain, that the romans did like and made $$$.
@hetrodoxly1203
@hetrodoxly1203 Жыл бұрын
@Phr34ky PHY Most of the 'walls' in the Roman empire were used for tax purposes, Hadrian's wall was built to mark the northern boundary of the empire, but in all probability cattle were driven through it to be sold.
@paulbradley7410
@paulbradley7410 Жыл бұрын
@@theodoresmith5272 it's absolutely true that trade was worth more than conquest, but Romans didn't think of themselves as mere merchants. Before they invaded Britain it had already been established that peaceful trade would be far more profitable than occupying a rather backward, remote and strategically insignificant country, but later on they did it. Not for profit but for the glory of their empire. Rather like countless civilisations before and since.
@larsrons7937
@larsrons7937 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Augustus also sent a naval expedition up along the coast of Jutland. From the description some guess that they made their final landfall at what is now "Harboøre Tange." -Fun- Not so funny fact: The chemical plant of "Cheminova" now occupies the location. There are depots of highly toxic waste buried in the area so it's not safe to dig aorund there. So we might never know is this is where the Romans made their camp. Additional fact: Don't go swimming in the sea in the immediate vicinity; some of those toxic depots are still leaking.
@davidmarsden9800
@davidmarsden9800 Жыл бұрын
You didn't mention the Roman settlements at Glasgow or the Antonine Wall. For an unimportant place there are two Emperors buried at York, Septimius Severus who is buried near the railway station but not yet found. Also Flavius Constantius, member of the Tetrachy and father of Constantine who was proclaimed Emperor by the northern legions at York. In 43AD as part of the Roman invasion a young legionary officer, Vespasian captured the Southwest of England and after the Year of the four Emperors became the sole Emperor. Many other significant figures in Roman history ended up in Britain at some point of their lives. You missed out gold, silver, lead, wheat and other exports to Rome which have left their mark on the landscape to this day. Maybe not the most significant province, but not the least for sure.
@NathanDudani
@NathanDudani 11 ай бұрын
Hear hear!
@RaisinBagelz
@RaisinBagelz Жыл бұрын
I am a highly intelligent crossover subscriber of General Sam. I implore you to create a video on the topic of ancient bagels. Your welcome. - Sir Bagelz the Third
@tippyc2
@tippyc2 Жыл бұрын
I drop this one everywhere i see the ad. That Established Titles thing is unconstitutional in the United States. Article 1, section 9: "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
@alistairwilson5344
@alistairwilson5344 Жыл бұрын
It's also completely bogus in Scotland too. You'd get laughed back to the wall if you tried to (fake) Lord it up round here...
@PineappleForFun
@PineappleForFun Жыл бұрын
You presumably have no office of trust with the US Government so it's not unconstitutional. That only binds agents of the state, a Congressional rep or Vice President or whatever needs the consent of Congress to accept a title. The bigger issue is that established titles is a scam.
@richdobbs6595
@richdobbs6595 Жыл бұрын
You don't understand that provision of the constitution. It means what it says. If you are a US Citizen that is not in holding governmental office, nothing stops you from getting a title from a foreign state. You don't even have to renounce citizenship.
@mrschuyler
@mrschuyler Жыл бұрын
Who cares? I have a star named after me. That's bogus, too.
@thomas316
@thomas316 Жыл бұрын
The podcast/KZfaq channel "Fall of Civilisations" had an excellent episode about the Romans in Britain.
@geraldcapon392
@geraldcapon392 Жыл бұрын
Bonjour. I really enjoyed the vid. Just a couple of things. At that time most of Scotland's highlands were covered in mixed primordal forests like Scandinavia at the same latitude is today. Septimius Severus was the only Roman emporer born in Africa two winters spent campaigning in damp cold Scotland did him in.
@tolrem
@tolrem Жыл бұрын
A future Medieval Pope,after having visited Scotland, declared that civilization ended at Durham!
@christopherharmon2433
@christopherharmon2433 Жыл бұрын
@@tolrem A young Viking on his second voyage, asked a older member of the crew if the Scots were tough as he had never been there. The response was 'well put it this way, they LIVE here'...
@tolrem
@tolrem Жыл бұрын
@@christopherharmon2433 Icelandic Viking to younger Viking.."Never fancied the tropics personally."
@michaelmazowiecki9195
@michaelmazowiecki9195 Жыл бұрын
Caledonia offered very little economic benefit to the Romans. Its economy was far more backward than south of the Wall. Mineral deposits (gold, silver, lead, tin, iron etc were not available or exploited. Grain cultivation was limited for climatic reasons. So why bother?
@citricdemon
@citricdemon Жыл бұрын
Similar problem today
@citricdemon
@citricdemon Жыл бұрын
@@Oobido haggis
@citricdemon
@citricdemon Жыл бұрын
@@Oobido someone pissed in your haggis
@oattyrant2035
@oattyrant2035 Жыл бұрын
@@Oobido someone pissed in your tea
@paulbradley7410
@paulbradley7410 Жыл бұрын
True, the Romans decided that it was more economical to fortify the easily subjugated, submissive lands south of Caledonia. The Romans were simply not used to a people they couldn't completely dominate
@Nathan-jt8zt
@Nathan-jt8zt Жыл бұрын
Eh why would they want to. It’s cold and raining all the time
@ianbrown3493
@ianbrown3493 Жыл бұрын
There is another wall that is less known to people outside of Scotland Antonines wall I was lucky enough to find out that part of it actually runs parallel with my back garden in Falkirk time to get the metal detector out 😆
@omomo202
@omomo202 Жыл бұрын
Ugh! I’m jealous! Did you find anything? I live in Canada and the most I could find is a few coins. Not much history here!
@ianbrown3493
@ianbrown3493 Жыл бұрын
@@omomo202 I was beat to it by a TV crew doing a documentary about antonines wall they unearthed a roman Fort a small one but a Fort none the less no coins found though just bits of pottery etc
@omomo202
@omomo202 Жыл бұрын
@@ianbrown3493 well, keep digging! When I lived in Romania a family I knew found a small clay oil lamp in perfect condition! It was tiny but very cute! You never know..
@ianbrown3493
@ianbrown3493 Жыл бұрын
@@omomo202 hopefully they missed something that I can find then I'm fortunate enough to live in a town where the Romans built a lot of structures time will tell if I find anything of interest
@spectro742
@spectro742 Жыл бұрын
How are the sponsors always so seamless and on topic? Your seaways are very clever.
@hamarbiljungskile8953
@hamarbiljungskile8953 Жыл бұрын
*segues
@KEVVIIN
@KEVVIIN Жыл бұрын
Forehead Fables has brought me here. Sticking around and subbed good sir.
@ally_crawford
@ally_crawford Жыл бұрын
The Antonine wall is better than Hadrian's. The Romans built it 20 years after the latter. It crosses the central belt of scotland, the narrow bit before all the mountains. My grandparents house is built right next to a section of it. Just a ruin now obviously. The wall, not the house, which is fine, but not Roman..
@abc-oq7dt
@abc-oq7dt Жыл бұрын
As a Scot I highly enjoyed this video and the distances that Rome made into my country are impressive considering we only learn about the 2 walls
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Hi scotty. Do you see northern lights at the antoniuswall?
@abc-oq7dt
@abc-oq7dt Жыл бұрын
@@aka99 from time to time it will get as far as the central belt on extreme occasions so that would be a yes but incredibly incredibly rare.
@az095929
@az095929 Жыл бұрын
was literally just wondering this the other day, and now you make a video on it. bravo!
@RigmodsModding
@RigmodsModding Жыл бұрын
If they found out about the big nuggets of gold in most of the rivers in scotland history may have been a lot different.
@robertosans5250
@robertosans5250 Жыл бұрын
Also, the forts had much more comforts than any military castles or barracks before the 19th century. Solid masonry walls , tiled roofs, glass windows, heating in the baths outside the castles and access to the goods provided by the largest free trade area the world had ever seen
@cerberus6654
@cerberus6654 Жыл бұрын
Glass windows? I find that hard to believe. Sorry.
@robertosans5250
@robertosans5250 Жыл бұрын
@@cerberus6654 well I have seen the fragments being excavated with my own eyes. Sorry if this does not fit your preconceptions of the past
@cerberus6654
@cerberus6654 Жыл бұрын
@@robertosans5250 No need to be so snarky. If they did use glass then I am happy to know that. I assumed it was probably something much cheaper like horn or even vellum. Or nothing other than a wooden shutter.
@robertosans5250
@robertosans5250 Жыл бұрын
That is fine. I do not like this kind of exchanges. Enjoy your day
@craezee247
@craezee247 Жыл бұрын
@@cerberus6654 they did have glass windows. Romans had the most advanced glass technology till modern era and because they invented the glass blowing technique, for the first time in history glass was cheap to mass produce and easily available for (almost) everyone. ps they also invented colorless glass
@KingNik1994
@KingNik1994 Жыл бұрын
As someone who's been passionate about history in general and Roman history specifically for as long as I can remember (to the point I'm now working on a PhD in Roman history), this channel is consistently amazing and hugely informative, as well as fun! Keep up the fantastic work :)
@charlesarmstrong5292
@charlesarmstrong5292 Жыл бұрын
A well constructed explanation of this often discussed subject. Thank you for the video.
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff! Thank you.
@troychristman5662
@troychristman5662 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I learned a lot, as others have said. I went to Hadrian’s Wall with my father about 15 years ago. Housesteads Fort, I believe? A truly beautiful and awe inspiring sight.
@donaldhoult7713
@donaldhoult7713 Жыл бұрын
Lucky you. Few British can afford the entrance fee!
@troychristman5662
@troychristman5662 Жыл бұрын
@@donaldhoult7713 these days no one can on either side of the Atlantic!
@davidmcnay
@davidmcnay Жыл бұрын
I think you are missing one key point, that many who havent made a study of scotland in the post-roman period usually miss. Rome did conquer almost the whole of Scotland including half of the highlands essentially the part that would become Pictland post-rome. They didn't attack Argyll and the Western Isles (old Scotland) but tried to block all land routes using the Glen Blocker Forts. The choice of the glen blocker forts is the key turning point not the fall back to the antonine wall and hadrians wall. Argyll and the Western Isles had no land access until the start of the British empire and Roads only with the arrival of the motorcar. It was an entirely sea based economy and set on the most dangerous seas on the planet. Only the Vikings and the Royal Navy have ever conquered it and the Vikings soon lost it to a local rebellion. Even medieval the scottish crown which had moved East to Old Pictland becoming land based couldn't recover their homeland from the Lord of Isles who was sea based. Rome simply didn't have the boats for the job.
@isaacgloc1542
@isaacgloc1542 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man I didn't know that 🤔
@georget5874
@georget5874 Жыл бұрын
Ceaser had a fleet of about ~630 ships made in less than a year, to ferry his troops across the channel. As the video suggests, the reason the Romans didn't bother conquering Scotland, is much simpler than a lack of boats. There simply wasn't enough wealth in Scotland to steel to make it worth the effort. Personally I wonder if that was a bit of a short sighted attitude - perhaps if they had pacified the Northern frontier they would have less problems later on, but who knows.
@optimusprinceps3526
@optimusprinceps3526 Жыл бұрын
General Agricola actually did conquer much of Scotland for a time, before his recall by a jealous Emperor Domitian
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian Жыл бұрын
What do you mean the Romans didn't have boats? The Roman had a perfectly functional fleet and were able to support joint army-navy and amphibious landings without problem. If anything the Roman technological superiority was even greater on sea than on land. Even if we only look at the North Sea, just sea how easily Caesar dealt the nautically minded Veneti (of Armorica, not the Adriatic ones), or wiping out the druids on Mona.
@18Callahan
@18Callahan Жыл бұрын
Excellent post✨
@josephtrahan8045
@josephtrahan8045 Жыл бұрын
Awesome pictures & history!
@rydero7292
@rydero7292 Жыл бұрын
Just picked up your book. Love it, keep the videos coming man!
@JHamList
@JHamList Жыл бұрын
Was so effing cool seeing you on the forehead fables podcast, that was really fun.
@toldinstone
@toldinstone Жыл бұрын
It was - I had a great time
@SobekLOTFC
@SobekLOTFC Жыл бұрын
Great work, Garrett! I'd like to see Robert Eggers take a shot at directing a movie about Septimius Severus' campaign in Scotland and the ensuing bloodshed. Just watched the Northman, and think he'd make it moody and brilliant.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, guess will neverhappend
@toldinstone
@toldinstone Жыл бұрын
Thanks as always!
@mtathos_
@mtathos_ Жыл бұрын
great video, always love to see you in the recommended!
@a-x-theuniverse3719
@a-x-theuniverse3719 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video!!!
@leemosher5513
@leemosher5513 Жыл бұрын
Love your book!
@asheland_numismatics
@asheland_numismatics Жыл бұрын
I love your videos! 👍
@coffeewithmia7498
@coffeewithmia7498 8 ай бұрын
I do love this channel! Thank you, Dr
@richardglady3009
@richardglady3009 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you.
@Gragon
@Gragon Жыл бұрын
Your narration skills with images are great. I wonder if youd consider doing a proper fullon series of roman history from the beginning to end like Mommsen for example
@GabrielaLtc
@GabrielaLtc Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you say AD. :) And really enjoy your informative and well documented videos.
@MrPDLopez
@MrPDLopez Жыл бұрын
Got your book! Entertaining and informative reading!
@stevenparker737
@stevenparker737 Жыл бұрын
As always, excellent
@coling3957
@coling3957 Жыл бұрын
at that time Scotland was covered in forests, mountains etc ( the highlands were deforested centuries later to allow pastural farming) and its people were in many smaller tribes, the Romans would have to defeat and then police hundreds of clans and tribes continuously from then on with little of value coming in to pay for the cost of garrison. Britannia was ruled by Rome for near 400 years. the parts now making up England and Wales were much more fertile and settled already. there were also mineral resources like gold and tin * the latter being surprisingly rare in those days with few mines within the empire. the Roman legions left Britain in 410AD
@joshuabessire9169
@joshuabessire9169 Жыл бұрын
"Last one back gets murdered by Rod Stewart's grandfather!" Blackadderus, probably.
@SkinShapes
@SkinShapes Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos.
@crispinjulius5032
@crispinjulius5032 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. I liked this. No nonsense and just giving me the skinny on what the video is about.
@sailorhatguy5763
@sailorhatguy5763 Жыл бұрын
I recently watched a video about a what if scenario of the Romans not conquering England so this came out in the perfect time
@OptimusMaximusNero
@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын
1:20 Watching Geta's face being erased from the "Severan Tondo" is actually pretty sad. Not only Caracalla dared to kill his own brother, but also tried to destroy his legacy. Sure even Cain would find him disgusting... P.S.: The fact they haven't made a single movie or tv show about the Severan dinasty is simply a crime
@Moredread25
@Moredread25 Жыл бұрын
Other Roman history creators have called him the common enemy of mankind not without reason.
@starcapture3040
@starcapture3040 Жыл бұрын
@@Moredread25 Caracalla Gave All people of the roman empire their citizenship how he can be enemy of humankind ?
@Moredread25
@Moredread25 Жыл бұрын
@@starcapture3040 everything else the guy did. One good deed does not redeem his term of office.
@starcapture3040
@starcapture3040 Жыл бұрын
@@Moredread25 this is huuuuuuuuuuuuuge one
@OptimusMaximusNero
@OptimusMaximusNero Жыл бұрын
@@starcapture3040 He only did that to make everyone pay taxes. It wasn't a kind gesture at all
@Bazeingstone
@Bazeingstone Жыл бұрын
Another great video! It was good to hear you on the forehead fables podcast, best of luck with your future videos!
@josephlloyd9636
@josephlloyd9636 Жыл бұрын
Great Videos !! 👍🏆😁 i would love more info.. on templar, Norman,viking facts if youll do More please !! Your details are so informed.Ty!!
@JCO2002
@JCO2002 Жыл бұрын
Very good, thanks. In short, the Romans never tried to conquer Scotland because... it's Scotland. And I say that as a Stewart.
@cerberus6654
@cerberus6654 Жыл бұрын
And I, as a Bruce, could not agree with you more!
@johnstewart1590
@johnstewart1590 Жыл бұрын
I second that.
@cerberus6654
@cerberus6654 Жыл бұрын
@@johnstewart1590 And my other family names are, Lyons and Stewart. I'm a Canadian. My ancestors came over in 1757, first to Florida, then Boston then Nova Scotia. Expelled first by the Spanish, then by the Americans.
@oltyret
@oltyret Жыл бұрын
And it's full of Scots...
@rickmc361
@rickmc361 Жыл бұрын
@@johnstewart1590 me too, i'm a McGregor
@hans-joachimbierwirth4727
@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Жыл бұрын
That's an easy one: they heard the dialect and ran.
@alistairwilson5344
@alistairwilson5344 Жыл бұрын
Aye! And we have better sweary words.
@4rumani
@4rumani Жыл бұрын
they weren't even speaking the same language as today...
@JuliusCaesar888
@JuliusCaesar888 Жыл бұрын
I just bought your book today Ryan. It's my next read after the current book I'm tackling. I should be starting it in the next week or two.
@prescott5328
@prescott5328 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@duriuswulkins4324
@duriuswulkins4324 Жыл бұрын
I forget who said it but, “The Romans chose to leave the Scots alone to fight their never-ending war against the Scots.”
@fanroche8573
@fanroche8573 Жыл бұрын
there was no such term as the Scots in the roman period. pointless and inaccurate quote
@duriuswulkins4324
@duriuswulkins4324 Жыл бұрын
@@fanroche8573 it was a 17th century historian writing on the topic
@wstevenson4913
@wstevenson4913 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Groundsman Willie from the Simpsons
@duriuswulkins4324
@duriuswulkins4324 Жыл бұрын
@@wstevenson4913 😂
@fanroche8573
@fanroche8573 Жыл бұрын
@@duriuswulkins4324 yes but why use a quote that is non sensical
@Vingul
@Vingul Жыл бұрын
I have to assume that Asterix & Obelix came to the rescue of their North-West European brethren.
@GreatistheWorld
@GreatistheWorld Жыл бұрын
Easily the smoothest KZfaq sponsorship segue I’ve ever seen. Total stealth, total thematic inclusion. Mad respect
@NaysayKen
@NaysayKen Жыл бұрын
Subscribed, great video always good to see content on my homeland Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@Lord.Smith.the.first.
@Lord.Smith.the.first. Жыл бұрын
As a scot I look around and laugh I can see why the Eagle never wanted to spread its wings here 😂
@Georgieastra
@Georgieastra Жыл бұрын
A rough and ready measurement of how wealthy or sophisticated a particular society is is whether or not they can produce coinage. Coins were first minted in Asia Minor around 600 BC and the concept rapidly spread throughout the Mediterranean world and as far as India. Coinage made the practise of administration and trade much more efficient. Coins were being minted by the inhabitants of Gaul by 300 BC and coins were being produced in what is now southern England by 200 BC, around 40,000 examples of such early British coinage are in museums today. Societies capable of producing coinage were prime targets for Roman aggression. The societies were capable of generating large surpluses which the Romans could confiscate and used to pay for their administration and military occupation. In this context is worth noting that the earliest Irish coins date from around the year 1000 AD and the earliest coinage to be minted in Scotland did not occur until 1100 AD.
@alukuhito
@alukuhito Жыл бұрын
I still use coins. In fact, I will probably use coins at least a couple times today, as I prefer to use cash instead of cards or other digital payments.
@zacharyaguirre9151
@zacharyaguirre9151 Жыл бұрын
General Sam's endorsement of your book finally got me to pick it up. I love it 🙂
@vermin5367
@vermin5367 Жыл бұрын
Found you out on forehead fables, your channel is amazing, I've gotta check out your books too!
@ScottHebert604
@ScottHebert604 Жыл бұрын
The Scots were too mental for the Romans to handle Source: My Scottish ancestry
@nn-dj2nu
@nn-dj2nu Жыл бұрын
do you happen to know if there is any "bad blood" between the Scots and the Welsh? I am an american so my perspective is different. I have a good amount of welsh heritage and have always been drawn to other people with Irish/Scottish/English/Welsh ancestry, but i have noticed that the Scots, while they can be your best friend they can be difficult to read/understand sometimes. Is that a thing or is it just me?
@davidgalloway266
@davidgalloway266 Жыл бұрын
@@nn-dj2nu no animosity. Until the mid 1800s you could travel from the north of Scotland down the west through Wales to amorica speaking Celtic languages the whole way.
@nn-dj2nu
@nn-dj2nu Жыл бұрын
@@davidgalloway266 ok thanks for the reply
@LightningNC
@LightningNC Жыл бұрын
_Why Didn't the Romans Conquer Scotland?_ Have you seen it?
@DarkWorldOrder
@DarkWorldOrder Жыл бұрын
This guys video titles. Are all the questions I wanna ask. Perfection
@grasshopperfiddler
@grasshopperfiddler Жыл бұрын
Thank you for not having background music.. much appreciated
@jamcam2760
@jamcam2760 Жыл бұрын
The Picts were indominable. Hadrians Wall was built to protect the Romans from attacks from the fierce Picts.
@snoochpounder
@snoochpounder Жыл бұрын
They didn’t want it for the same reasons the British built vast overseas empires: the British food, the British weather and the British women.
@georget5874
@georget5874 Жыл бұрын
British food can be quite nice(surprisingly) the big problem is that its extremely unhealthy.
@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582
@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582 Жыл бұрын
@@georget5874 Pretty telling that even you only thought the food might be defensible lol
@Nickle314
@Nickle314 Жыл бұрын
Have you heard the squadie on Geoff Hoon? The Basra comment?
@richardreinertson1335
@richardreinertson1335 Жыл бұрын
@@georget5874 At a fast food joint in Yorkshire, the menu included blood pudding and kidney pie. I ordered a hamburger. When I got it, it turned out to be a really thin ground-beef patty that had been breaded and deep-fried, in a plain bun. There was ketchup on the table tho, so I added it to my sandwich, and it wasn't bad. Maybe I should have been more daring and gone with the kidney pie. A normal pub sandwich was ONE slice of bologna between two slices of white bread. No mayo, no lettuce or tomato. In London we stuck with the foreign restaurants: Indian, Chinese, Hungarian, and American, all excellent. However I did have a solidly British roast beef dinner at one restaurant that was outstanding. So, maybe you need to know where to go to find the best British food.
@themk4982
@themk4982 Жыл бұрын
Definitely the weather, less the other two. We’ve sampled them all and decided we’re the best, just need some more land to go in holiday.
@GG-bw3uz
@GG-bw3uz Жыл бұрын
Off topic but the pictures you used were so beautiful and calming.
@prototropo
@prototropo Жыл бұрын
Nice after years of wondering, and even visiting Hadrian's Wall, to know why the northern limes were there.
@davidpanton3192
@davidpanton3192 Жыл бұрын
Fair point, but worth pointing out that there are plenty Roman remains north of Hadrian's Wall, though admittedly they are pretty unimpressive!
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 Жыл бұрын
Arthur's O'on was an impressive Roman structure in Stenhousemuir, probably visible from the Antonine Wall, until an 18th century landowner decided to demolish it to build a dam with the stones.
@Aethelhald
@Aethelhald Жыл бұрын
No large population to tax, no gold or silver mines, too cold for Romans' liking. Not worth their time. Also I don't think Septimius Severus intended on conquering Scotland - from my reading it seems he wanted to literally exterminate the tribes living in Scotland. Had he succeeded I doubt he would've colonised it afterward, for all the above reasons.
@paulbradley7410
@paulbradley7410 Жыл бұрын
So, Romans wanted to conquer and subjugate what became England and Wales and managed it with aplomb. Fine. The Romans wanted to exterminate the northern tribes, tried repeatedly, couldn't manage it and so they withdrew and built fortified defences against those same tribes. But the takeaway is what? They didn't want to exterminate them or they simply couldn't?
@Aethelhald
@Aethelhald Жыл бұрын
@@paulbradley7410 They wanted to exterminate them (or beat them into submission) but couldn't. Both Agricola and Septimius Severus's campaigns against them are very well documented and their reasons for failing to subdue/exterminate them are really quite simple: The tribes were small and mobile, they refused to engage the legions in battle and left scorched earth behind them. The legions had to rely on long supply lines from England which were open to raiding once they crossed Hadrian's Wall. There was scant/nil foraging to be had for the legions so they inevitably became riddled with hunger and disease. Ultimately spending years campaigning there to wipe out a minor nuisance, gaining absolutely nothing in return (no loot, no fertile land, no large populations to tax, no gold or silver mines, no large amounts of slaves, absolutely nothing) just wasn't worth it for Rome. Building a wall to keep them out was much easier.
@paulbradley7410
@paulbradley7410 Жыл бұрын
The above video states that even those parts of Britain that the Romans held for centuries were not worth the cost of maintaining large garrisons. In fact it would have saved the empire money and men if they had eradicated the northern tribes, which they certainly tried to do but ultimately failed and so they withdrew from the north and spend huge sums of money and manpower building fortified walls and keeping it manned.
@paulbradley7410
@paulbradley7410 Жыл бұрын
@@Aethelhald That's the issue though, they wanted total dominance, be it subjugation or eradication, both of which the Romans spent many years attempting but in the end they could not do it. We can agree that the local tribes made good use of the landscape to hide and launch attacks and raids then disappear again, but that still means that the most formidable army in the ancient world could not defeat those tribes without bringing in far more soldiers than they wanted to. That is warfare. The Romans used the same tactics and warfare that had worked almost everywhere they used it. In this case they withdrew, which I've no doubt was a major blow for morale and the army's sense of Gloria Exercitus
@Aethelhald
@Aethelhald Жыл бұрын
@@paulbradley7410 Nah, they still could, they just didn't have the will to ultimately see it through because it wasn't truly worth it and the defensive mindset had already kicked in. Severus actually won his campaign in Caledonia, occupied territory and forced the tribes to surrender to his wishes, despite him losing considerable amounts of his army and the whole campaign being a clusterfuck. He was even preparing another army to invade and finish the job but he died, and his successors had much bigger things to worry about than the nuisance Caledonians for the rest of the history of the WRE.
@8bitorgy
@8bitorgy Жыл бұрын
Perfect video.
@bugeyegorilla
@bugeyegorilla Жыл бұрын
That transition into the ad read tho 👌👌👌👌😂😂😂
@ginojaco
@ginojaco Жыл бұрын
Surely the title should change to '...more of Scotland and keep it.'
@Torontodude20000
@Torontodude20000 Жыл бұрын
The Scot’s had a secret weapon. The bagpipes. it instilled fear into the heart of the Roman Empire.
@patrickporter1864
@patrickporter1864 Жыл бұрын
A bit early for the bagpipes.
@Torontodude20000
@Torontodude20000 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickporter1864 oh dang.
@waynegoodman3345
@waynegoodman3345 7 ай бұрын
The scots mostly lived in what was Ireland at the time they hadn't settled in what became Scotland.
@14pat78
@14pat78 Жыл бұрын
you got a new subscriber from your forehead fables cameo keep doing great job :)
@gsus3918
@gsus3918 Жыл бұрын
Great video and great podcast with Forehead Fables!
@dilanrajapaksha
@dilanrajapaksha Жыл бұрын
I hope Toldinstone can do some episodes about Alexander the Great's empire and how he made it. I know his videos are almost exclusively about Ancient Rome but the story of Alexander the Great carving out one of the biggest empires in history in just over a decade is fascinating to me and doesn't get enough attention.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Have u looked for Alexander the Great in youtiube?
@dilanrajapaksha
@dilanrajapaksha Жыл бұрын
@@aka99 yes and I have also watched a couple videos but I'd love to hear the story in the toldinstone style
@toldinstone
@toldinstone Жыл бұрын
Stay tuned...
@rw9207
@rw9207 Жыл бұрын
"Why didn't the Roman's conquer Scotland?" .. Have you been to Scotland? ..I wouldn't bother conquering it either! XD
@JK-rv9tp
@JK-rv9tp Жыл бұрын
The original wall was something like 10 to 16 feet high. The missing height resides in fences and buildings for miles around.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
It is not only the Roman’s, well yes in exploring with many men, but Scotland was also known by the ancient greeks, I guess. I think the Greeks even know to some extent about scandinavia, and if it was just by name with vague knowledge.
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian Жыл бұрын
It's always the same story: conquest stops when it's too much work for too little gain. Mesopotamia meant huge riches, but conquering it was very troublesome and ruling it would have been even worse. Germania was rather poor, and moderately well defended. Caledonia might have been an easy conquest, but it was too poor for anything more than a minimal effort to be worth it.
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian Жыл бұрын
@@nodruj8681 Well I'm so glad that you took the time to engage constructively, rather than adopting a mocking tone while not even being able to spell "nope" correctly. That would have made you look like a moron.
@themk4982
@themk4982 Жыл бұрын
It didn’t seem like a particularly easy conquest either. They never managed to win the war against the lowlanders and then that’s the lowlanders, never mind the people in the highlands who were very spread out and in even colder, rugged, cave-filled and mountainous terrain. As someone else mentioned, large portions of the highlands just couldn’t be accessed by land for people in large groups and certainly not armies. Especially back then when there was far more forest, it would basically be like the Romans trying to take over a more populated Sweden. Of course they could have done it, but diminishing returns would be the least of their worries. They were smart to cut things off below the already rather hilly borders.
@TransformersNibbasInDisguise54
@TransformersNibbasInDisguise54 Жыл бұрын
The decision to be cautious expanding much more than august did was the right decision. Conquering Scotland when you have more pressing goals would be a net negative
@TransformersNibbasInDisguise54
@TransformersNibbasInDisguise54 Жыл бұрын
@Phr34ky PHY what do you personally think they were losing out on conquering Scotland? The hills? Most places with the geography of hills has something that would at least break even for the emperors like cities and ridiculous gold mines.
@rjpearsonIV
@rjpearsonIV Жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Looking forward to more videos as I know I need a refresher on my history. It seems the Emperor's acted rationally. If they extend too far. It is too hard to maintain and their resources (i.e. Military, etc.) become less effective. Better to consolidate too territories that contribute to the bottom line and make Rome wealthy.
@iainmaclean612
@iainmaclean612 Жыл бұрын
The Romans invaded Scotland on no less than 4 occasions. 2 of these were led by the emperor himself. There is a higher concentration of Roman fortifications in Scotland than there is anywhere else in the world. Agricola claimed to have subjugated the Orkney Islands in 80ad and another province named Valeria was noted after the campaign's of Theodosius.
@tetrusadima
@tetrusadima Жыл бұрын
Well Romans built a wall because there was nothing of value up north and to ward off raids. I do remember in the beginning Romans and Scots had an open terrain conventional battle which the Scots lost and from there on the scots only went guerilla mode.
@ForageGardener
@ForageGardener Жыл бұрын
Was not to ward off raids, it was ti control trade. The wall was only ever like 5 feet tall
@jorehir
@jorehir Жыл бұрын
The lack of commitment in Scotland, Northern Germany, Dacia, etc. teaches us that the Romans cared more about the prospect of implanting a stable civilization and economy (if there wasn't one already) in the conquered territory, rather than exploiting its natural resources or merely adding land.
@sammurphy450
@sammurphy450 Жыл бұрын
Love ur content mate please do some ancient Egypt stuff
@tooyoungtobeold8756
@tooyoungtobeold8756 Жыл бұрын
For people who don't know, the wall was 15 ft high and 10ft wide, with forts and watch towers along its length. After the Romans left, the stones were later 'quarried' for other building projects, Abbey's etc and a great many taken off to build a military road during the Jacobite Rebellion, in 1745.
@ListogreOfficial
@ListogreOfficial Жыл бұрын
It still feels shortsighted that they did not try to conquer the isles completely. The large one time cost of subduing the area would have freed the large Roman Britain garrison to be deployed elsewhere. Which would have heavily reduced the tax burden on the area. Agricola's strategy seemed very viable.
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop Жыл бұрын
Because they HATED bagpipe music ?
@alistairwilson5344
@alistairwilson5344 Жыл бұрын
Naw, it was the tacky shortbread tins.
@disgruntled_veteran
@disgruntled_veteran Жыл бұрын
The Roman Empire knew that you don't mess with warriors who are willing to fight near naked.
@jamescody183
@jamescody183 Жыл бұрын
When describing Scotland in the 7th minute, I was nodding away thinking "Ireland too haha"
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