Really wanna try the acog/rmr. Seems like the prefect middle ground. But then the question is...TA33,31 or 11? You could probably make an entire video based off that lol

Man I’ve been singing the praises of the 2.5-10x FFP scope + offset RMR for years and people always say it’s dumb because “in real life you’ll default to using the main optic in CQB and won’t use the canted dot and then will be at a disadvantage with the 2.5x”. Always thought that was a dumb argument; just dryfire more. Glad to see someone who agrees with me for once.

You're missing one of the biggest advantages of the off set 45 red dot. If you get the right mounts you can cant the rifle from the red dot to the lpvo without moving your head or adjusting your cheek hold. This is really nice when you see something and instead of hunting for it at 10x or throwing to 1x finding your target and then going back to 10x. If you get things right you can use the red dot to find your target and then roll to the lpvo at 10x and be right on target. For me this is the best advantage to this setup.

Great video. I believe rifle setups in regard to optics, barrel, stock, even fire control groups are so situationally driven with a myriad of variables that there really is no single solution. So, much like golf clubs, I think the idea of having multiple setups, even if just complete uppers to swap out is the only way to cover the most situations.

I have a similar build, 13.7 BA barrel, Swampfox arrowhead 1x10 with a swampfox justice piggyback. Using experience from my marine corps days and now my current swat training. Learning what I needed for cqb was having my head up and seeing more by having a higher riding red dot, but more magnification on the lpvo for PID or long range shots was ideal for me. Which caused me to have a consistent cheek weld. I also have a qd bipod that i use like you.

Yep. Been doing this with the service rifle and my personal for a while. An offset for up close, and a 3x18 with a full mil reticle. It came up for me not even for shooting as much as just for ID purposes. I think especially in these recce guns we forget that your ability to see is sometimes more lethal than the bullets.

What a breath of fresh air! Finally, someone who understands purpose builds. Couldn't agree with you more, brother! 1x setting on a LPVO is useless with a red dot. 2.5-10x all day!

Hey man, great video. I'm running a 1-10 with an offset red dot right now and I've been having similar thoughts. Really good food for thought.

For most people a little practice with a 2x or 3x prism is where it’s at. No issues at 15 yards with parallax and can go out to 400 yards with good ammo and little wind hitting 12 inch plates.

I've been waiting for someone to voice this opinion for some time now. I hope this gains some popularity

Very thought provoking discussion. Well done.

My main reason for my red dot on top is im right hand shooter left eye dominant and it was surprising how it just matched up to my left eye with a slight tilt. I love how much i can percieve with the set up.

Last time i shot an M2010 was at that exact same range you were. I dig your 14.5 build. Almost exactly how i want to build my next one. Awesome video.

Been saying the same thing. If you want to be accurate at distance, then consistent cheek weld is a must.

Post military I decided to run an lpvo on my general purpose/do it all rifle. It was good but it just kinda left me wanting more. It would either be used at 1x or 6x (nothing in between). I then decided to sell it and run an ACOG (easy to use BDC too) with a 45 degree offset mounted red dot. Not saying it is the best setup (no such thing). But it was a huge difference for me. Being able to go from 1x to 4x without having to take a hand off the rifle is a huge advantage. ACOG is bombproof and i went with a red dot not mounted on the ACOG so if the ACOG ever went down or lost zero for whatever reason my dot isnt slaved to it. I might change my thought process and set up eventually but rn its perfect for me.

I’ve been trying to optimize this same SPR concept- let me tell you the breakdown of what I’ve found. -2.5-20x NX8 w/Tremor 3 -Sig Romeo 4T -Geissele Super Precision High Power (1.3” mount) -Reptilia ROF 90 for Aimpoint -Magpul CTR with .5” riser That High Power mount brings the scope closer to the bore than anything else I’ve found, and with the riser you can really get that “fall asleep, open your eyes, see the reticle” kind of cheek weld, and actually a pretty solid cheek weld for the RDS. An additional benefit is that the RDS is perfectly placed for passive aiming under NODs. Might give it a try!

People are finally coming back to top mounted dots on an actual precision scope, with variable parallax and a good reticle!

Love the leupold VX-6 2-12x42 for this reason with a deltapoint.

This video is the net result of a competitive shooter chasing the minutia of extreme repeatability because of the fact that they’re a good shooter who is capable of such, I generally think it doesn’t apply to most people. On the upside a bunch of used LPVOs will probably be Available at a discount shortly as this idea is getting legs on the internet. All that being said this guy made a very Cogent argument and explained his position very well and demonstrated in the video in a way that made sense. So good job sir.

Dig the Hallmark music.

What a great video! Very informative, excellent attitude and passionate. I can’t wait to watch more! First video! Thanks for posting

We do a 1-6/1-8/1-10 with an offset dot in open division of 3 gun so we can sight our dot for close up shots as to not have to hold height over bore to get a zone hits. Redundant in some situations maybe but having 2 zeros is very useful

also a mil background and I find it interesting we have both come to almost identical nearly rifles. I also keep a smaller gun with an acog/dot for around my property, but If I could only have one, this build is it. 14.5/mid range optic/dot/removable bipod. Only consideration for a change on this is the b5, but that's because my fat hands have a tendency to slip the stock when using a support hand. I'll be trying a Larue CTR risr here shortly to see if I can get a better cheek support. Great stuff man. thanks for the walk through

I agree with your build and have thought about this myself. I like the idea of a larger objective and higher magnification. I took a long-range carbine class not too long ago and was able to consistently shoot from 6-8 inches groups at 500, with an Athlon 1-8 SFP. That said the day of the class was a very calm day so not a whole lot of wind hold was necessary. It sure would have been nice though to have more magnification and a FFP scope to be able to mil with. When I shoot longer ranges it's usually with a bolt rifle, but I really enjoyed takin the AR out to some distance and the benefit of quick follow ups with the gas gun is pretty cool.

Great info...you are a good teacher no arrogance just honesty..thank you

I thought about this last year and tried running the Vortex 2-10 with a pistol dot on top very similar to your setup. I actually came to this conclusion after messing around with a 1.93" LPVO mount and finding it was hard to get a good consistent chin weld to have my eye exactly where it needed to be. So I decided I'd run the scope or LPVO in a regular mount where I could get a good cheek weld instead (which was more consistent) and a pistol dot on top. Larue makes a side ring to their scope mounts that takes a pistol dot (if I remember correctly, they have RMR and DPP mounts) so that saves the weight of having a separate ring holding up the red dot. I'm running a Holosun 507c X2 which has the circle dot reticle so it's kind of a mini EOTech. It's slightly offset so I do have to cant the rifle a bit but only just so slightly. I found the Vortex 2-10 a bit bulky so I now run the new Primary Arms PLX compact 1-8. Good seeing others come to this same conclusion.

I agree. If you’re going to run an offset or piggyback red dot, might as well take a scope with more capability (magnification and parallax). I will say however, the parallax error issue with fixed parallax scopes actually becomes less significant at range, or at least beyond the fixed parallax distance. At least that’s what I’ve heard

I’ve been using a similar setup for almost three years now, first a Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-12.5 with a Holosun RDS at 12 o’clock then I switched to the Trijicon Credo 2-10 with the same Holosun. It’s a very underrated combo. I love LPVOs but to me there’s always a compromise in the reticle designs because they have to try to be suitable for both short and long range applications and the ones that do it best cost a lot. This combo gives you the best options at both ends of the magnification range for a fraction of the cost of something like the Vortex 1-10. I saw the Barrel and Hatchet guys come to the same conclusion. Interested to see if it catches on more.

Saw this video as i am about to try my SWFA 6x with an offset red dot. Thanks for the vid!

As long as acogs are as expensive as they are, if I really wanted to build out a gun for distance it will be with a lpvo.

At 4:30 you are spot on for long range work, if your scope is mounted even a little too high your groups will open up. Especially past 400-500 yards you want a solid cheek weld with the FULL weight of your head resting on the cheek comb. That way you have both consistent eye/sight alignment through the scope (that's not just for iron sights!) but also to get rid of any muscle tension/input from your neck, vs trying to swim your eye around in the scope to get things centered. I would reword what you said though, you don't want positive pressure on your cheek, which sort of implies using muscle tension to force your cheekbone onto the stock. Sticky backed Neoprene pads work great for a cheap comfortable fix for a mount that's a tad high and if you really want to split hairs with perfect cheek position there's another trick some Olympic shooters use. Figure out where the corner of your mouth hits the cheek comb when you're all lined up in the scope and mark that, then make a pin hole (heating a needle with a lighter works great for polymer stocks) and glue in a single paint brush hair/bristle there so you have a 'tell' you can feel to line up your sights, same idea with Archery sight alignment and using the same anchor/release point. Check out the book Ryan Cleckner (sniper instructor...) wrote on long range shooting and his video on scope mounting. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebWfi7mhrMy8gXk.html

Nice footage from the CMP Range. I really like their unknown distance range.

This is exactly the conclusion I came to. 14.5” 5.56 gets an ACOG (ta31/4x32) + T2 (RMR would work fine as well) offset. 16” AR10 gets 3.5-18x50 VUDU + T2 offset. Shooting a T2 or RMR on an Arisaka offset mount (i like the taller height plate) is extremely natural feeling. There’s something about having the gun twisted inwards towards your body that makes the recoil and muzzle flip a little easier to control. Also, having the offset dot as your dedicated 1x automatically opens the door to having scopes that do better and really shine at those higher magnifications, because they no longer have to worry about making a great 1x optic AND a great longer range optic in one. Also, the RMR is great, but if you get a chance, try running an aimpoint t2/h2 as your offset dot. It ceases to feel like a backup dot, and really performs phenomenally to the point where you don’t even think twice about having the gun rotated inwards - you just become aware that you have a true, purpose-built red dot of the highest quality. At the same time, you have a true, purpose-built mid to long range scope of the highest quality as well. No compromises on either end of the spectrum! The only complaint is cost, but this is an instance where you really do get what you pay for, and you’ll see / feel exactly where that extra money went when you put a setup like that to use!

I ended up dumping an LPVO on my SPR build for a PA 4-14X44 with DMR HUD reticle, and a top mounted Holosun 507c. I thought it looked like an abomination at first, but once I started actually using it I fell in love with it. I'm actually running a top mounted RMR on my 1-8 LPVO now, and the LPVO stays at around 6x magnification. If I could find a solid fixed power scope at the same magnification whose turrets weren't 5" high, I'd drop the LPVO there too. My GPR is in a side charge upper, 16" barrel with a custom designed 3d printed cheekpad. The height above bore on the red dot on the RMR is right at 4.5", and it's zeroed for 65 yards. There's less than 6" of elevation spread on the trajectory from 25 yards to 300 yards. It's similar for my SPR in a 20" barrel with a 75 yard zero on the top mounted dot. I even went with a top mounted SeeAll Open Sight on my AR10 sitting on a 5-25x US Optics scope. The major advantages to running a top mount in a long distance setup is obviously fast close range capability, but also faster sight picture acquisition. Aim with the dot, drop your head behind the scope, then go to work!

A couple months ago there was an article in recoil magazine about this topic. Interesting comments.

Man great video. It's just so funny as I'm fairly new to scopes and LPVOs and kinda fell into the regular trap of LPVOS and red dots. Then as I reviewed more and more scopes...I started to really hate the 1x on the LPVO and using an offset dot exclusively for that role. And then it's like....why...why even have the 1x at all. Scopes like the 2.5-10 Griffin and a few others really changed what I find to be effective. And the milage may vary but I'm with you on this one brother! -Walsh edit: Also criterion for life....

I'll be honestly, most recce rifles don't need a scope or a lot of magnification. 98% of engagement will be with in 300 yards, and 98% of the time you will do anything to avoid engagement (that's how you stay alive). Weight and size are king, not how accurate or far you can reach out. If you can reliability have a minute of man at 300y, then you are good. I think people get lost in the sauce and forget that an acog or Holo/dot with a mag is more than enough and the rest of their money shouldn't go into a 1.5k LPVO but good ammo and training. Really getting to know your platform will do wonders compared to adjustable parallax and a 10x zoom.

This video is speaking some truth!! Everyone talks shit about my "gpr" build running a fixed front sight but I would throw shots at 70 to 100 yds and the fixed sight is the only way "I" can do it proficiently. But rds and and magnifier serves me better all around. Great video

I had a rifle with LPVO and red dot because it seemed like a good idea and seen others running it, so thought I would try it. But then I got to thinking a very similar thing that you have here, why not have a scope that doesn't have 1x and just use the offset optic for the 1x. Makes more sense in my head as well but I am by no means and expert.

If you are using fixed parallax one trick is move a little faster away in the eyebox. You will see some scope shadow on the edges now just make sure the scope shadow is even all the way around and you are now centered when it comes to parallax.

2019 I took my 18" SPR with vortex viper pst gen 2 1-6x to a precision rifle class because it was what I had. I was taught a method for correcting parallax in the SFP optic that worked well enough I went 4 of 5 at 825m and earned top shot. So it can be done, you can shoot good groups, but it is MUCH slower than having a known distance parallax adjustment that's on the type of scope you're talking about. Once you make your cheek weld, do the adjustment, and setup for your shot you're good, once you break cheek weld you have to do the whole dance again to make this method work that I'm referring to. So, it's slow!

Can you do a video on the specifics of this whole setup? I’ve got a 13.9 criterion with a 1-8x and a top mounted dot. Builds in that barrel length being taken out to distance are very interesting 👍

Or a Primary arms 1X prism, which is good for those of us with astigmatism, with a 3X magnifier and the prism has it's own BDC as part of the etched reticle.

The original 1-X LPVO was designed by the Army and built by Schmidt & Bender in the late 90's to the Unit's specification. Larry Vickers was the main man behind the design and specifications.

feels like we're back to the NF 2.5-10 with a piggy back. I always preferred this compared to the 1-8's. Also you can use the RMR to get on target if you can't find or lose your target and then drop down to your scope.

I ran something similar for my mil-sim setup for airsoft. Worked really well in the field and I am thinking of getting a similar setup for my real steel guns.

I run an 11.5 with just a red dot and fixed irons for my go to GPR. I have an 18” with a 1-6 and an offset for my recce and an 8.5 300blk with a red dot for my home defense

A video on taking this set up out to 500/600 would be awesome!

Almost like mission drives the gear. I know on a 16” gun, for accuracy, I’m partial to something like 3-18 or similar with offset irons or offset red dot. I always felt like a top mounted dot was just practice intensive to get a repeatable result. So, clocked always worked better for me. But on a short gun, I am likely to go with something lighter. Some optics get stupid heavy for mounting on a light fast gun.

Check out Marfa, Mystery Lights Run 'N Gun. You can test it on the clock. The team match is awesome as well. It was about 7 miles and 8 stages. I've never done the solo match but the team match was 100 yards to 1100 yards. I ran the carbine and my buddy ran an AR10 for the long range stuff. The second half of the course there was a bag drop where you could change kit and the second half of the match targets were 40 - 300 yards. I have half the match on my channel if you want to check it out. It was so hot my camera died at the drop off on stage 5. Good video BTW, if I had an extra scope I'd try that setup you're talking about. I'm not 100% sold on LVPO's.

I came to the same conclusion that a 1x6, 1x8, or 1x10 scope didn't make sense because of the lack of the parallax adjustment and reticle design to place accurate shots. I didn't arrive at the conclusion until I put together a NRL22 base setup using a 500 dollar scope which had a lot of features that the higher priced LPVOs didn't even have on them. I was scratching my head thinking all I need is a red dot on sporting rifle for up close shot placements while using a scope that has a lot more features than a LPVO.

I'm running a lightweight setup with a lightweight burris 3x9x40 and currently a 45 degree offset low mount sig romeo 5, although I'm definitely going to upgrade to the arisaka T1 offset mount so I can bring the dot closer to the scope body (it is a great design for adjustability for multiple scope sizes). I like the T-rex arms offset mount because its single piece and tighter (40 degree maybe?) 45 degrees is definitely too much usually even with adjustable turrets or battery compartments, however I prefer a closed emitter dot... Hopefully T-rex starts making their nice affordable close mount in a T1 footprint! BTW my 3-9 and romeo 5 with mounts still come out lighter or equal to many 1-8 LPVOs with lightweight mounts... Yes I used budget optics vs. the rifle components, but I have had great experience with both optics over multiple purchases, especially with the Burris fullfield series of scopes surprisingly... probably have had atleast 8 various models by now, with only one failure (broken elevation turret out of the box on a 4-12 maybe 5 years ago, burris sent a replacement within a week) Not bombproof, but definitely durable for the weight, and I'm chasing weight currently 👍

My lpvo lights up on either side when I don't have my reticle lined up correctly. It helps with the scope parallax

Wish I had some of that lpvo parallax info last year lol. Good video bro! Edit** Magnifier with a eotech or no Magnifier? Like have it just in case or use it like a hybrid cheaper ACOG or something

One advantage of running an lpvo+rds versus mid range optic+rds is the compact size, shorter turrets, and a backup 1x in case your top mounted or offset rds goes down. I look at either setup as the rds being an additional primary. Having an lpvo gives you some 1x redundancy much like irons would. Having more compact turrets means you don’t need to run the 12 o clock rds even higher than you already do. These are some advantages I may see. I run a 2.5-10x42 and offset rds, but I’m curious about running a top mounted one instead. That got me falling into the rabbit hole of going back to an lpvo so I don’t have to clear tall turrets

I sold my razor 1-6 for a ta-02 acog and dot. Weighs about a half pound less than the razor, and it's relatively bombproof. Now I have perfect midrange mag with a true 1x.

I just added a Weaver 1-5 and an offset RMR to a rifle and really like it. But, I also have other rifles wearing an EoTech, Aimpoint and a prism. Each has a role.

Vortex Razor at 1.93" is perfect for me. Super tight groups and easy to use as a red dot at 1x.

Solid points made. Also mad points on the farmers tan, i too am part of the 1-8 tan

I kept having problems with ear protection getting in the way of getting behind the scope properly in anything other than a perfect position. Especially problematic in hypothetical CQB for an “all purpose rifle”. But I’m just throwing ideas around. I’m not(or was I ever) military so I’m just throwing ideas around

The Primary Arms 2.5-10x50 ACSS HUD DMR with a piggyback RMR is a legit setup for this kind of rifle. Heavier scope, lighter red dot.

I know I'm just a hick lol but I absolutely love my nice lightweight sig 3x9x40 scope with offset red dot. Why would I run a 1x scope and a red dot? Seems like an overlap of purpose.

I've been playing around with the idea of a lightweight DMR using an TA01 cross hair acog and a canted dot, instead of a full blown SPR. Took second at the run for your life zombie run and gun in Missouri this year and was running a red dot/magnifier. It worked but those longer distance shots took some work.

I appreciate the perspective

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I have the same 14.5” rifle. I also have a fused neck. So I use an H1 on a knock off high mount. Backed by a Holosun 3x magnifier. This works as a great GPR for me. I do not strain my neck so bad. I have enough magnification for the distances. That I shoot in the area I live. This is a great lightweight configuration for me. For BUIS I have the rear ring in the “unity” high mount. Paired with a fixed Troy front sight. Only real point for me is that the HOB is inconsequential, for me.

I have used my vudu 1-6 lpvo out to 1000 yards with a 16" rosco purebred barrel and 77gr hand loads. I definitely reccomend 77gr, because they carry more momentum, wind resisitance, and stability at distance. BC on the 77 gr bullets is superior for sure.

In a combat situation I'd want max power on a magnifier to shoot a max distance. But, for use in a civilian environment, wherein you can't readily ID friend or foe, I prefer an SBR with a 5x prism (for PID) with a red dot on top for the more likely CQB distances. SEMPER FI 🇺🇲

I don't see the need for LPVOs on SBRs. I would take a red dot and magnefier everyday over LPVO. Don't know why they've fallen so far out of fashion. On a true do it all rifle I absolutely agree with a larger scope to really reach out and use a dedicated dot for fast up-close. Really glad you made the video.

I'll take the 1x6 power scope because if the red dot was to die I still have a good up close scope I believe it kinda depends on what state you live in to in mine the one power works

My fav biathlon set up is an ACOG with offset ACRO.

Come back In two years when LPVO’s are great again. LPVO’s are excellent. And there is a reason they’ve been adopted by the military. Train with what you have and get good with that. I have both a red dot with a magnifier, and an LPVO. They both are great

My personal experience has been that 1.93" mounts are my preferred mount for Red dots, and LPVO's( 1-6x/ 1-8x). But when trying to consistantly shoot longer ranges, 400 and beyond, lower scope mounts work better. I like the lower 1/3 mounts for my precision guns. For me, absolute co-witness mounts strain my neck when i'm shooting from the prone all day......

NX8 2.5-20 with offset RDS seems like the ideal setup for anything 14.5 and longer imo

Excellent overview. Great info. Appreciate it.

I have a GPR with a Romeo 5 XDR, and a Juliet 4, both in 1.63 mount. It's lower third co-witness. It works ok.

I can’t see the point of a Lpvo and a dot. Maybe for some competition courses. But I like a 4x w/ a dot. Or if you want a variable optic, 2x-whatever with a dot.

This seems to be the best do it all setup as it covers all the bases and it does it very well.

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That other guy said all this like word for word

I have one lpvo setup for hunting. The rest of them are all eotechs with magnifiers and acog with rmr….ive never seen a reason to go out and buy anything else…can get good hits out to 500 plus yards. Some people gotta get the new hottness but really just get what works.

Love my acog. For a 556 rifle a 4x acog with a piggy back or offset mini dot is the perfect little setup. It’s crazy lightweight compared to a lvpo. It’s my preference to this day.

I found that the Primary Arms 5x prism with a Holosun offset is best all around for an AR.

Excellent video and I have the same thoughts I would like to see a vortex razor in something like a 3-15 Range also I want to upgrade all my offset dot’s to enclosed emitter designs

Seen some ELR guys moving their scores up way high. I've done the same. I've spent way more time behind a boss than a rifle and honestly it's more natural for me.

Your issues with LPVOs are the same problems I've been thinking about lately. I have a Gen 3 Razor, and I feel like I'm way more accurate at the same power with my Gen 2 Viper PST that has a parallax adjustment. The Gen 3 Razor also feels slower up close than a red dot or holographic sight as well. Either way, the problem is "combat speed." If I'm under pressure, am I really going to be fine tuning my parallax? If I am, will I be able to range estimate quickly enough in an unknown distance scenario? I dunno. I like 2-10x and 3-15x scopes for this precision shooting, but there's a lot to think about in terms of speed of use and the tradeoffs for it. The more time I spend thinking about it, it becomes really hard to have just one rifle setup for all types of shooting.

I’m leaning towards a red dot and a flip to side 6t magnifier. Also when shooting for accuracy you should try 62 gr. Ammo. I’ve seen that grain on a few shot sheets of 5.56 scopes with mil-dots.

The sad piano music was a nice soundtrack as I started throwing my LPVOs in the garbage halfway through.

I have a 4-12 scope with an offset red dot, and like McDonalds, I’m loving it

This is the way

I just love the dot with a magnifier. It works for me. Ive hit out past 300 reliably with it. I’m not sure I’m going to be interested in going out further than that with the 556. Even with A1 type loadings. Maybe i tried the wrong setup? Primary arms 1-6 with offset holosun pistol dot? I’m looking at 308/6.5 for past 300 anyways. More complicated sighting options like variable optics with offset dots appeal to me more for that application. It’s just hard to beat that dot magnifier combo for me. Simple clean and can be had in holosun, aimpoint, eotech, and even primary arms varieties.

Isn't that pretty much how you would set up an SPR? Rifle scope as primary aiming device because long range shots are the main focus of the rifle, then an offset red dot for unexpected close range targets. I recall a lot of Scar-H and HK G28 being set up exactly like that, and this would also make sense on any 16+ inch .223. The extra weight is justified by the use case of long range shots being the focus. The LPVO as I understand sacrifices some long range performance by not having proper turrets and parallax adjustments, but it gains in agility by saving weight, having the 1x setting so it kind of replaces the offset red dot (more weight saving). So if the focus is agility, LPVO wins. If the focus is long range shots, Rifle scope + red dot wins.

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I dig your setup. You should consider doing something similar or even slightly shorter in 6.5 grendel. 6mm ARC is awesome too. I'm not quite sold on it yet though. Not until it has better availability or I finally set up a bench and start reloading.

The AR15 is such a light design your choice to add a CQB Red Dot on top and force the LPVO down is correct. It is not like you are doing the same with an AR10, or EBR, were the 3 ounces might almost kill you. Even an AK in 308 makes for a daunting weight in adding a CQG optic. I like the upper position for GasMask and ear protection accommodation. For the heavier 308 models, LPVO seems a bit much as the weight is in the gun. ACOG is really decent for that, compact and pulls the weight back.

I’m running an 18in stainless White oak SPR barrel NF SHV-4-14x F1, a rmr on the offset TRex mount, streamlight hlx, and magpul bi-pod. Giving the rifle weighs 10lbs without can and 11lbs with but, it’s nice to be able to shoot from 0 yards all the way out to 1k with 77 otms. Pretty sure it would be my go to if I could only have one rifle. Would love your input from a pro.

Great points! Definitely 1.7 territory for me.

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see I am not even a tactical shooter, long range shooter, or even an avid shooter for that matter I just like to go out shooting now and again just to blow off steam, I just want to agree with you and mention that was my way of thinking as well. I prefer a 2-7x or 2-10x Illuminated preferably, something in those ranges with an offset. I was always told (well you should just run a LPVO instead). I personally think it is redundant to run an (lpvo 1-6/8/10x__ with a red dot.

I run primarily EOtech, just because I purpose built my AK-102 for night vision use