100 billion% correct This is something I have tried stressing in my previous video, but I think you put it in a very nice way. The nature of a lot of gacha games being very predatory in nature will lead towards really poorly designed games that force a Spike mindset onto players. This mindset is then transferred into games like Arknights, where it is entirely optional to play like that. But of course, when you have these kinds of players from other games coming into Arknights, some apply that logic to Arknights, when it doesn't apply in the slightest.

@@BloopsArknights When watching someone new stream Arknights for the first time the most dreaded question I don't want to hear is 'Is this operator good?'

Pleaseee.. The power creeping in Reverse are so so bad with how each character kept getting stronger and stronger making more stronger enemies which you need the new character to counter that enemy..

Limbus company youtubers using the god awful base identies to do Refraction railway :

I feel this in my spine ​@@zomfgroflmao1337

in most gacha games, yes in good gacha games, not really

honestly i dont think any operators are bad it's just their kit may not be as optomized as other charcters and is why we get power creap but i dont think it's that big of a deal since we can still clear all content with only 3 stars

@@BloopsArknights Counter argument, good Sir, there is no good gacha, even Arknights is just the least bad gacha. :D

@@pathalenvivaldi7811 this no gacha is good only the least worst

​@@pathalenvivaldi7811 cheers to that. Gachas are bad by nature because of their predatory practices, and arknights is no exception. Its just a matter of deciding which gachas you can tolerate the most.

Yup, Amber is the character they gave you so you have almost guaranteed access to most of the exploration shenanigans in the rest of the game. That was her entire point. I think most people realized to some degree, but decided damage was more important and straight up ignored her where they could Thing with Amber is... it seemed like she had some potential when you actually get her constellations. Took far too many constellations though. Needed some specific things as well, but she'd give a team buff with Ultimate. It's one of the unfortunate parts with the freebie units they gave, with a large part of their kit locked behind higher constellations when most other units are reasonably usable straight out the box or at much lower constellations. If they gave Amber all of her constellation buffs straight from the get-go, I think people's opinions on her would be a bit different

I rolled Mlyner on banner TWICE [had an alt,] and while I built him I rarely use him, /because/, he's the flat "win"button, like cool but I have 12 slots and I would like to use them..... Stuff like Degen, Texalt, Sutr, Mlynr, Thorns, Blaze, are nice but their key-stone utility can mean often use them instead of actually trying to play which is the mixed blessing of high difficult content as you can use your "WIN" ops to their full potential. Though also like in the current snow event or DOS etc. it can just turn into, I don't have the op, I'm tired, please just let me get my rubber stamp and move on.

​@@IrvineTheHunter This is so true, like I only dust off my Surtr and Mlynar when I'm EXTREMELY sick of failing a particular stage over and over again and when I then inevitably win with them I feel... nothing, really. I'd much rather have 12 'mediocre/bad' Ops each doing their own little thing at different points instead of just two taking care of the entire stage

​@@theoture732I wish i can give you 10 more thumbs ups

so true man I haven't heard something like this in ak community for a long time

I will point to point 1 and 7: - There has to be bad operators: some operators are bad simply because they are baseline to rate other ops. I would say Frostleaf and any bad early operators belong to that. OP already explained it. If you rate all the operators from SS to F and delete all operators below S, there is still the worst operator in S tier. Viviana is also another example of a bad operator because they are the baseline (in Viviana case the baseline is a SS tier operator so she is bad lol) - Point 7: Some bad is simply R&D goofing up. I think this is a very imporatant point that OP didn't talk about. Many of the worst new release are simply HG trying new idea. Crushers are the example. They tried new archetype with Quartz and Wind Chimes. Didn't work. Eventually they reached it with Hoerder and Ulpianus. Pretty sure Spuria is the victim of experiment too.

@@anhkhoanguyen8562 i honestly dont know what you're trying to say, may you expand on what you're trying to say? are you defending me? because your points dont do anything as far as countering my points go.

I disagree. Haha got you! What i disagree with is the video in question, not your comment. The points made in this video are a bit of a trainwreck. I have problems with the logic in all of his video segments and alongside the points that you (the Original Commenter) has made themselves, i want to add some of my own, from a pure gameplay perspective: - 1:39 You never need to make a perfect game nor have every operator be balanced within them. What they should be aimed at, is to cater to atleast 1 type of playstyle a player can act upon. Whether that be meticulous gambling and set-up for a massive payoff later on, or a simple design philosophy in order to get a player acquainted with the mechanics. it's alright if they falter during this methodology, but the attempt should be made. Arknights does this pretty well with the 2 and 3star rarities, but starts to fumble with the 4star and higher. An underwhelming kit should not be designed to be... underwhelming, but rather to serve a specific playstyle. For example, there is no reason why the introduction of the Crusher archetype with Quartz had to be so wishy-washy, nor they needed to nerf her numbers and make her a 4star, when 5star had always really been the 'experimental' rarity (ever since they stopped introducing 4stars every 2 patches like 4 years ago). This sort of artificial capping only makes players not engage with a specific playstyle because they get the wrong impression of it having 'high effort, low payoff', which certainly isn't the case (looking at Wind Chimes and then.. the 6star versions, Hoe and Anusman) - 5:17 Jesus, what a frankly shortsighted way to gauge Degenbrecher's kit "It's just damage". Also the irony is impeccable. He clearly has no clue that the 'hardcore' Arknights community actually rioted in response to Degenbrecher's kit back during CN event, even the Guardknights players were pissed off (moreso at her S3 completely ruining the Offensive-gen SP nature of Swordmasters, in-turn ruining both the Archetype as well as the synergy with the usual SP battery slave, Ch'en). It flared up a bit on Global's side too, but most of these actual tryhard players weren't going to waste time repeating the same shit that they talked about 6 months ago, so the outrage was only minor on this side. This is why people like Bloop think that Degen was well received... which frankly, i am dumbfounded to hear. She was *not* well received and not has been even now. it's the Eyja-alter situation all over again. Beloved character, Horrendous powercreeping kit, people angry because it renders an entire archetype useless or just unable to catch up. Just it was slightly less vocal since it wasn't an Alter + Limited + Insane Powercreep combo in one pack (Atleast until Wisadel released....) - 7:21 What is bro on about... Windflit, Kirara and Spuria was designed for 'the combo player'? (i'm just going to assume he means 'Niche player'). Okay, Kirara... you can get away on a slim boundary. She has uses on Specialist-only setups and Higashiknights (the latter being a very rare niche, just because the operators are so hard to clear with). Still, even the devout Kirara enjoyers from my experience would rather bench her, unless it's Integrated Strategies or doing a niche clear of course. Spuria is a little less tolerable. It's the first Geek op they have put out in over 3 years since the last one (Aak), and they clearly should have done more with the kit, but regardless she is still a good enough unit and certainly far from a niche-only thing. It's really just people mis-reading/mis-understanding her skill and assuming she is bad, so it's moreso the way the kit is written, the cause (the confusing text is present in CN too, it's not a translator team whoopsie this time). But windflit? lmaooooooo Windflit is like universally hated, even amongst the insane niches that are Clutterknights, Radishknights and NoDPS categories. (Clutter is niche where you try to spam every stage tile with deployables as much as possible. Radish is "Supporterknights but without the Summoners" and the last one should be self-evident.) Windflit is actually dogsmack and there is no defending this. - 10:08 The Verdant vs Bena argument is extremely silly. Dollkeepers are *not* designed to be Tanky what the hell is he talking about? Why do you think they always have HP loss mechanics on their skills? (unless your name is Iana) Their job is to trade blood for blood. High dps/DPH in exchange for their own HP Pool and their Substitute is a means for them to cheat death basically. They are designed in a way so that you are encouraged to have them dps until they pass out, deploy doll, and return after some time has passed (the doll having most sustainable health is completely irrelevant, because the doll doesn't have much stats anyway and is not made for tanking either... Except on verdant) It's for this exact reason they also have really long redeployment time. you are NOT meant to tank with them. Sure you can giga-brain and use them to stall certain mobs/bosses, but to pull that off you need to get over that new-player-training-hat in the first place and start experimenting. The reason why Verdant sticks out like sore thumb is because he gives the wrong impression of how to play Dollkeepers. To the point that if one were to upgrade to a higher rarity dollkeeper, his playstyle would just get you wrecked. Verdant retroactively instigates bad habits in new a player. Yet it's not like he can't be effective at his job, but he certainly is not the standard testing grounds for dollkeepers and definitely should not be used to train somebody on the Archetype. This is very badly judged information! - 11:47 Well no shit, why do you think that it is a 'meme' that gamepress' Operator reviews are bad? Because of course they are not nuanced. It's not really a 'meme', it is reality and you have gotten the order wrong. it's not a meme because people like repeating the saying or it's that funny, but because they had to repeat that advice to new players so many times, that it has become a copypasta of sorts. And this is exactly *why* you do not base your judgement nor your video script on what 3 people with an extremely number-crunching mindset on a website with tierlists, say about an operator's kit. Some minor gripes i have: - 2:09 Did he say that Lappland was designed around a specific niche? Her talent literally had no interaction with her kit at all.... It feels like her talent was randomly slapped on top of her kit at the last minute, to make her stand out. The only reason her corpse is still paraded around in metasquads, is the unrelated talent being one of the few consistent sources of non-manual silence applications (otherwise good luck spamming like manual skills or fast redeploys, which is going to get very tedious very soon). Lappland herself is a good 5* lord but a niche designed character she is not! - 3:02 "Individual AH ops arent strong on their own" (Looks over to Spalter, Ulpianus and Gladiia) Spoken like a true Newbie -No i'm not taking any moral high ground with my 'veteranship', i'm not even a true veteran but i have experienced the game long enough to be able to say- There used to be a time when Specter not-alter was one of the best units to have in your account and this is before the Abyssal Hunter faction became a fulltime thing. Plus Gladiia is just too good regardless. He really need to actually do research. And doesn't he play 4stars? He should know firsthand how good Deepcolour is and she doesn't even have synergy with AH (and technically not true AH but still part of the faction). - 4:00 This is extremely bad faith showcase. Everybody should know the reason why jessica is dogged on for being 'bad', and that isn't because she has lower dps potential than a 5 and 6star units.. because she can't compete with her 4star counterparts even if Meteor is niche, Vermeil is semi-niche and May is just busted, but she fails even to 3star Kroos. Jessica IS worse than her peers due to the lack of damage delivery and that's what matters, it has nothing to do with being bad or skillissue. (And believe me... i've been a felineknights player, and my maxed 4star Jessica has been used more times than i expected, just because of that S2, so honestly, she is not 'Terrible', she is 'Situational Niche'. This however, still does not fix the issue of her really underwhelming performance, so this is just not misrepresentation of the problem with jessica) - 8:13 does he not know any other AK statistic resource other Gamepress? Don't tell me this is what shaped the majority of his opinions about 'what the community thinks'....

I did something similar in this event and and found myself feeling really proud of myself when I did It: I really wanted Viviana to tank Harold in the Ex-8 CM and It turns out she can, but she needs Quercus (or any kind of sanctuary, It can be hoederer backing her up) and a little HP buff (I used eyjaberry, but could be any HP buff, like virtuosa and so on). Harold was hitting 2.9k ish of damage with Quercus, and vivi has 2920 HP at Max lvl. So I was just shy of a few points of HP. But I digress, the main point here is the proudness I felt when I did It. And It was amazing.

Yeah this. This 100%. Modules should have been a way to help weaker kits shine. It's not like other gachas can't do this, Neural Cloud (NC) with its Arma Inscriptas have these buffs tailor made for each unit. Sure, Modules didn't have to appeal to everyone using that unit, even in NC one such buff improved a character's damage when survivability/bulk would have been better according to many players, but at least HG could have ensured that modules would "fix" what made a character seem weaker. They did this with Mostima, they did this with units like Shirayuki with the improved SP charge and Def Ignore to help during downtime (unless you're using S1 and you therefore benefit from the mod at all times) What we got was generic base module effects applied to all units of that job class, even the likes of Totter or Heavyrain who work very different from units of the same subclass. What we got was some modules that seem completely pointless. It's tragic

What you mean, fix units?! Didn't you see the video explaining that there is no bad operators, just bad spike players? Why fix the vanguard with 2 dp production, this operator is just for another type of player... Why fix the Defender with 1 block that can't receive sp? Just for anyone not you... Why fix the 1 block duelist that receives less damage from units he's actively not blocking!! This is to combo with something else and you just don't understand the game... In summary, game is just fiiiinnnne... /s

Your biggest mistake is to look at SUPAH video, never ever doing that again

Modules were NEVER made in mind of fixing any units (thats what buffs are made for and yes they can happen. I mean it happened once before...). Modules are made to specialize further your unique aspects of operator, thats why they boost passives with each module buffing one passive. Sure, some give meager boosts while some get substantial boosts (glaadia comes to mind...), but they always boost existing passives. Saga is simplest example - her passives makes her regen for some time, module.makes regen stronger and last longer. The basic subclass buff is there but it's secondary, thats why its same buff for both modules that one 6 star gets - its just subclass buff to make it more....subclassy

But we already have the base to complain about 🤔

@@marielcarey4288 the only complaint so far being it's still in beta lol

@@sagram0re814 in beta for 5 years sure People have come to the conclusion already that beta is just a name

No complaints? Hmm...let's see...some 5* being virtually useless and bloating the gacha pool while powercreep manifests in its most severe form yet with Wisadel, not having a sweep function and only recently improving the auto deploy after 4+ years of existence, having 300 spark limited banners and the spark doesn't carry over, modules sometimes making strong units even stronger while weak units barely improve, an overly verbose story that sometimes feels like they're trying to hit a word count target...pretty sure there's more but I think I've made my point. Experimenting with the game would be great if, y'know, it wasn't a gacha with time-gated resources thus forcing players to choose between focusing on only the most meta units or, well, experiment at the expense of faster progression. I don't blame anyone who chooses the former.

@@WadeWontson some of those are legitimate but some are just nitpicks. The game is built in a way that the meta essentially does not matter since you've got dozens of ways to clear stages. Yes you can just plop in Surtr (or whatever OP flavor of the month) and get it over with, or work with whatever you have Comparatively the game is probably one of the more generous gachas and the fat lines of texts comes down to preference (skip button is a thing) I kinda suspect that the various gimmicky 5* are their attempts at experimenting with new mechanics, only to release 6* with a more polished version of said mechanic. Overcharge still sucks tho

I spent several hours trying to get Viviana tanking Harold to work on EX-8 CM, and she kept whiffing her shield. Even had Shamare doll dropped between her CDs to keep her alive. I think she’s the perfect example of a functional operator who only looks bad because she gets compared to something better (Surtr).

​@@blackhammer5035even in this example, surtr can't do what she does best against Harold. Her time on field would expire before she could defeat him. Btw, vivi can tank Harold If you give her sanctuary (Quercus is enough) and a bit more HP (I used eyjaberry). Even on her downtime in the skill.

@@blackhammer5035 thats just the thing Vivi has potentially more staying power than Surtr but surtr is guaranteed to live for a bit but unlike Surtr Vivi has a few other options put her with S1 behind Liskarm for example safe range Arts burst spam

>my Skadi soloing Harold like a G Abyssal Hunters Master Race

@@eijitoh6252 fishes for life!

Right, I can't even keep track of how many people have jumped in to defend Viviana with the same arguments, but when you actually apply these arguments to practice they feel so useless, as if they are made up advantages.

>and slightly strays from the normal archetype's role. debatable. Bladeweavers seem more defensive then offensive despite their talent, and likely Astesia is a more common template than Surtr. For a more indept comparion * Mousse has a damage mitigation skill * Astesia has the increase DEF and blockcount * Surtr has...well her nuke skill, but also her immorality talent * Candle Knight here has a barrier, an upgrade to Astestia's S2 and a also an upgrade to Surtr's not commonly used S2 Surtr was the outlier here, not Viviana is what I'm saying.

​@@Khroniclas This is why sometimes, the gameplay discussion about the operators can be cancerous, it's all matter of trashing or white knighting

@@rezafahlevi9659 Agreed, I feel like there are 2 big groups that just bash eachother for different reasons. Other groups of players must be exhausted from seeing all that bashing constantly.

@@Khroniclas I dunno much about community but Viviana is currently my only main dps/boss killer and I sure as hell am not complaining. Hell I genuinely don't even like Surtr or want her, similar story with Degenbrecher, they just got a one time burst and that's it. Viviana will kill anything trying to get past AND kill the main threat/boss of the stage. I guess my only complaint is the 1 block but my Flametail is always sitting back, slaving for dp with her 2-3 block.

But if they don't do that then no moneys, so it's a lose-lose situation

you mean wišadel? I dont see problem, if you dont like it why you play it then? Shes not broken shes strong, you can win the game with 4* but if you dont have a brain just use wišadel or full 6* squad. Shes boring, and strong but you dont need it, you dont play against players thats really dumb question, if you are willing to whale for character to win against AI in "fashion" thats totaly up to you.

​@@rezafahlevi9659 oh man, Hypergryph is so poor so they need to keep up the favouritism and powercreep to earn money. Poor, poor Hypergryph. Please, they're one of the top earning gachas and regardless of revenue, there's nothing stopping them from doing justice for weaker operators except their own complacence. If a game earning a fraction of what AK earns like Neural Cloud can more or less competently implement post-release buffs (Arma Inscripta) then what's stopping Hypergryph from doing the same? Don't make excuses for game developers unless you don't want them to give their best and don't mind a subpar product.

@@WadeWontson You lost me on the first sentences and that last part about bad products so I wouldn't care at all

@rezafahlevi9659 by that, do you mean you don't understand or don't agree? As for the 2nd part of your comment, I'm not saying AK is a bad product, just that it can and should be better. Keeping quiet about the game's issues isn't going to fix anything.

my friend made the thumbnail, sorry for the accidental hatebait???

Please, tell me I won't regret it, when I spend on him my scarce resources.

​@@kiszkjmt8564while Skadi is better in every way, Lessing isn't that bad. His s3 does have some legit uses I wait for a fast redeploy module to make his s2 better 🤔

Don't worry, in my experience you're going to use Lessing maybe once or twice for IS4's second ending and then for about 1 in every 100 stages. (I'm completely out of resources because of him and other "mid" Ops but I regret nothing. My boy deserves some recognition.)

@@theoture732 my comment got removed?? I can't see it at least so imma say it again; he's nowhere near as good as Skadi but he has his uses, especially with s3. I've found decent use with his s3 vs d12 ending 2 IS4

Old

I was young like baby back then 😞

i was already 10 years old....

old people, assemble !

To me Spike can be very annoying, but I also see an equal amount of Johnnies if not more Johnnies than Spikes that behave with incredible toxicity as well. People that don't allow you to enjoy the meta, YOU MUST USE MY WAIFU LOSER OR YOU ARE JUST TOO BAD AT ARKNIGHTS. ALSO META ENJOYERS ARE LITERALLY RETARDED LOOK HOW EASY THE GAME BECAME WITH DEGENBRECHER IT IS A JOKE WTF ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING THE GAME FOR NOOB At this point there are too many people calling operators trash, and too many people calling other players trash for not liking suboptimal operators.

Yeah Spuria is definitely the only operator that is truly "bad". Her kit is just a mess, her buffing is terrible, using her is awkward. Her kit just works against everything else, it's pretty funny how she escaped development with how bad she is

I love Spuria's design, but I have to agree that she is fundamentally flawed. She doesn't even have the excuse of being underpowered or niche like other "bad" operators. Just using her can actually sabotage your run.

I tested Spuria somewhat extensively with multiple 6* operators and learned her best synergy isn't even with high attack interval ops that can 'ignore' the stun. It's Platinum. Her talent boosts her strike power when not attacking for up to 2.5 seconds, which Spuria automatically gives via the 1.8 second delay. This allows her to go from chipping moderate to high def enemies to being able to deal more than 2k damage per hit and become a true knight assassin. The game meta has moved onto consistent and strong buffers but none of them actually reduce attack interval, so Hypergryph may have unintentionally created synergy with a day 1 operator. The problem is that it wasn't advertised with Spuria's kit and more importantly Platinum is so dated as a release op that most of these unique interactions have to be directly tested.

This entire video is exactly answer to your opinion There are people that find simple insane OP buffs or built in kits are boring For these people whats the point of playing the game where you could push one button that bulldoze everything The buff that come with a debuff price is exactly what appealing to them, challenging them to work around or minimize the effect of said debuff in a stage

Someone read the gamepress spuria article made by the biggest Spike there is. But no, she’s not all bad. Her buff is actually better than Warf’s for ops like Schwarz for example. You just have to account for lower aspd high dph ops. Also her s1 is a thing. She’s no April, but for a player like me who’s all in on RA and is preparing heavily for RA2 when that comes, I’m building as many ops that have an on deploy skill, and she’s one of the few that has them. In the end she falls into what the video talks about, just a niche ops for a specific player.

At least the like to dislike ratio seems superb. Let's gooooooo Thanks for this vid. It really is crucial to appreciate how different units in games appeal to different players. Expecting all units to be 100% efficient and optimized is a silly expectation, but I get that other players love it when everything is fully optimized and how easy and streamlined that makes things for them

I think you are bretty much on point, I agree with you in 90% of the things you've said, And am sure it well be 100% after the second watch.

The only controversial thing here is the way you pronounce Degenbrecher's name. I enjoyed the video a lot, keep up the good work!

@@_MonochromeMoth Degenbrecher and Skadi lmao

​@@_MonochromeMothWell, as a German speaker, her name is pronounced "Dee-gen (the g like again) brie-schair"

you're right, i didn't say that. I said she has a niche of which's value is based on the context of the stage.

@@BloopsArknights dw ik i was mostly sarcastic. Also best waifu hands down i will throw hands if you dare say she's bad 😔

@@master_swish hot take: i think she's actually too good for her niche

@@BloopsArknights not a hot take when it's true. I believe she forced the devs to reevaluate the silence mechanic and making it a bit less clear on what can be silenced. I also think as a 5* she belongs in the tier that is still considered really strong. Feels like Hypergryph kind of stopped making strong 5* for the most part. Seems like most are now designed with some sort of flaw for the subclass to then be removed for the 6* equivalent, look at Mountain with brawlers. They just put a +1 block, make it so that his attacks hit all that are blocked, and give him a regen. He essentially is a -1 block centurion with sustain. Lappland would probably be used more if Thorns didn't exist, because her damage isn't bad at all. You just have to sort of play around with her skill activation.

I still remember how i got yelled by a certain KZfaqr when he's using Lappy for CC. "You don't know how count damage". For context, she dubbed a secret 6* for her DPS back in the early days. She's only competing against Silver Ash, Blaze, and Hellagur. And being the sole arts guard back in the day, other than Mousse, and Astesia much later.

This lol I find it pretty funny seeing people trying to defend bad operator because their ‘niche’ is usable in like two specific stages with that mindset of “There no bad operator,only bad doctor” really grind my gear. I do enjoy raising and playing with operator with questionable kit bake into them and finding some usage but that won’t stray them away from being absolutely garbage lol.

I'd wholly disagree. You dont need to minmax your resources at all to progress in Arknights. I've only been playing for 11 months and all I do is upgrade operators I find fun. Yeah these upgrades dont push you towards the end game, but I and some other players, dont want to rush to the end game. I'm fine with grinding cuz I dont feel pressured to reach the end asap.

Alright then, we shoud change the term "bad operator" to "underwhelming"

@@wickeddave5148 fine by me! underwhelming does indeed have a different meaning than bad.

They r bad, just because people can use them it doesn't mean they r not bad, u can beat a souls game naked with fists using bongos as a controller lol

@@xZeke97 I feel like you're just proving my point here. I wouldn't say "bad" but moreso "challenging" or hard to use. I don't think any operator is legitimately without use except for maybe Spuria, and even then some people have figured out some strange niches with her. But sure, if you'd like to call every operator that makes the game BabyEasyMode for you good, go ahead !

@@wickeddave5148 suboptimal is a better term

I'd like to call them "underwhelming"

Nah, Supah hates people who said that sentence, he literally made a video to dunk on people who said that

Yeah, she's the shrimpleist 6 star there is. it'd be better to compare her 'information load' to 5 stars heh

Her Fast-redeploy nature, probably?

Blaze and Silverash do too. And Lessing one is unironically pretty strong

Also in all honesty There is just no bad operators if you have brain and have other ops that can work with each other then the sentence "why BAD operators?" Will not exist for you But if your like me no Brainer and no other good ops build the concept of "BAD operators" will exist for you and me

Also, lol. Skaydee

Seeing Kirara tanking like a champ all those arts drones by herself makes me smile ❤

To be fair "bad" is subjective. A character can have a personality or design that doesn't suit your tastes. When it comes to gameplay a "bad" character can be too versatile and/or not do 1 thing as well as other characters. I'm going to use Elden Ring as an example since I played it recently. A bad build for me is one that does less than 500 damage per hit. I can beat the entire game using an un-optimal dagger build which is one of the objectively lowest dps setups in the game and it nets me 300-500 damage. Using every other setup allows me to beat the game significantly easier. In my friend's opinion a setup that deals 800 damage is considered bad so he optimized his build to the point where he deals over 2,500 damage in an instance. Sometimes the powercreep is too high and some games have bosses that take like 20 minutes to beat but certain setups can do it in a few. 0 to 3 star ops I think makes sense to be weak but 4 stars and higher can have MASSIVE differences even within the same tier so niches and team comps have to make up weaknesses.

If they can't solo Patriot they are bad/s

They're good in a vacuum

that is just how i say her name. I am aware it is unpopular, but its comfortable for me.

I lost in the Defense Crusher rush, am sorry.

Aww damn, that kiara regen is genius, plus with perfumer talent it is so funny to watch her health fluctuate like my mental health