This one gets it

An aesthetic even

Sometimes you just gotta drink your Nuka cola Quantum out of your enemies' skull. And that's a good thing

Dare I say, ettiquete and standards

This guy raids

Don’t forget the teddy bears

@@LotsOfThoughtsI'm gonna elaborate for the dudes who don't know, teddy bears symbolize kids since Bethesda refuses to directly show dead kids in game

Bethesda thinks the bombs fell 200 days ago vs 200 years

Read the terminals

​@@jimbothegymbro7086atleast fallout 2 lets you kill them. Bethesda is afraid to give players actual freedom and choice in their games, you're only allowed to be as evil as they say you can be and judging by fallout 3s linear story line you're almost not even allowed to be evil in the first place.

It objectively does

It makes the raiders look like monsters.

@@inhumanfilth681 At the cost of making raiders nothing more than mindless baddies and making all these small groups look and feel exactly the same. Plus it makes 0 sense to keep dead bodies all over your living space

Bethesda rarely puts thought into anything and mostly does it because "it look cool lol", why else would the Brotherhood of Steel nuke the Institute instead of confiscating their technology?

Great contribution bro! He may as well have not made the video!

It's not green architecture that's for sure. ..unless you decorate your crib w dead super mutants

To be fair, with a bit of natural decay they're probably pretty good fertiliser

I cannot remember where, but in some interview it was mentioned that FO3 was written to be set maybe 20 years after the bombs, but management didn't want to make anything earlier than the original games, so they shifted it. Which explains a lot

Not even decades. Gore and filth will attract vermin like radroaches, bloatflies, mole rats. Full on corpses are going to draw larger predators and scavengers. Scare off random wastelanders, attract a yao guai.

You'd think that at some point someone would grab a mop. Even if you're living in a ruined building and killing people for money, I think there's still a fundamental mental need to maintain basic standards. Besides, what else are you going to do when you can't sleep from the jet and can't go outside because there's a rad storm?

I think it’d suck to be a legion slave for years with no escape and being used as a baby generator if you’re a woman. raiders are more short term in comparison

@@jingleding9002Yeah the Legion are by far the worst and most scary faction in all of the games if you’re a woman. If a raider gets you, it’ll suck, it’ll hurt but it’ll be over with within days. But as a female slave or Legion woman? It means a living hell for decades. The men/husband would beat you regularly, you’d have to wait on him hand and foot, be raped by him every night until you’re visibly pregnant then be forced through the many unpleasant experiences of pregnancy then the agony and life threatening childbirth. Then maybe you’d get a few weeks to heal before the cycle begins again except now you have a baby to protect. Yeah, I’d pick the raiders.

NV really did well in portraying the people who victims of brutally from the Legion and Raiders. You hear from Boone, you can talk to people enslaved by the Legion, and hear from their victims in the NCR military. The same goes for raiders like Cook-Cook, who permanently scarred Spade and Corporal Betsy. You can talk to them and see the psychological scars they still have, and its portrayed by the voice actors so well. Compare that to static decorations like corpses or skulls and it just adds more of a Human element to the violence and inhumanity showed by the Legion and Raiders to people they view as little more than objects or resources to be exploited.

@@mikoto7693 and it's so much worse if that kid is a girl.

@@mikoto7693 Life wasn't any better for the men or the children. Being reduced to, essentially, a disposable brainwashed slave soldier who, if you were not murdered on the whims of your leaders, were expected to fight to the death often against foes with significant technological advantages by basically throwing yourself at them in the hopes of overwhelming them with numbers. As for the Legon's treatment of women that is another of the many reasons the Legion was doomed to fail. In a survival situation in terms of replacing people who are lost every woman counts. In simple pragmatic terms, mistreating and neglecting women, especially their physical health, means those women are less likely to produce as many replacements for those you lose. A women who produces only a single child because she has been so physically brutalized and then dies in childbirth, has, at best, been a neutral towards the Legion and, at worse, a drain of resources. Probably one reason the Legion relied on expansion to survive, capturing new slaves by integrating conquered tribes. The flaw in this, as was pointed out in the game, is it's not sustainable. Eventually you run out of other people to conquer (which is not a very efficient process to beginning with). Even Caesar came to realize this, hoping that his conquering of the NCR would "change" the Legion into something more sustainable. If this failed it was very likely the Legion would barely outlast himself. So I would say the Legion is the worst and most scary faction in the game for anyone, man, woman, and child.

Yes, but that doesn't mean putting gore, corpses and blood near your resting places

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola I mean with the lack of snuggle buddies, maybe sometimes you just need a corpse to hug to keep you warm at night or something like that, I don't know, ask the Raider.

@@quirinoguy8665 fair point

Pretty realistic

@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 its not realistic at all

@@xptaco2298 have you been to a city?

Ever seen a college dorm or a homeless encampment? Most survivors wouldn't give a damn. This is one of the most stupid "Bethesda bad" arguments out there.

@@Fortune.06 Right. Because people can live in filth that means that everyone would live in filth in the post apocalypse. It’s realistic that they intentionally impose dramatic health risks on themselves and others despite being advanced enough to have schools and sanitation. Just because it’s the post apocalypse doesn’t mean everything has to look like mad max.

Okay, but how would attaching burnt human nuggets to ceiling be equal to that? Asking as Fallout 3 home decoration enjoyer.

@@rainbowprism6242 I think you missed the point, it'd be SAFER to sleep outside with a campfire than inside with a bunch of corpses everywhere.

what about mosquitos?

@FuntimeByzantium fire actually repels mosquitoes

what about all the bugs rats and other best atracted to the human remains?@@FuntimeByzantium

I’d probably actually be able to tolerate it as I have a very weak sense of smell. My maternal grandmother had no sense of smell at all.

I imagine ghouls smell like really strong chemicals because thats what i imagine radiation smells like

@@Cushla-np4ptthat plus rotting flesh

​@@Cushla-np4pt Ghouls would probably actually smell really nice since the radiation would have burnt the smelliness away

As one wise man has said, it smells like a mirelurks taint

Yeah, it's Fallout

Well.. SOME are completely inane, some aren't.

They weren’t in fo1, fo2 or fonv

@@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198 That's why I said Fallout 4. They're "normal" in the non-BGS games.

@@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198 No, they were

The raider gangs fight amongst themselves for territory, as real life gangs do, and they leave the corpses of their fallen foes as warning to other would be attackers.

Fucking raiders doing cartel tactics.

Like US politicians and Epstein's island.

That makes more sense than just using bodies and parts as indoor decoration. It's unsanitary, it probably stinks to high heaven, and it has no use as fertilizer since raiders don't grow any food of their own. They just steal everything. Or maybe they're all just drug addled psychos.

The Disciples are the best 😊

Operator supremacy

The pack is shit

@@aydencahoon6557 I'm in full agreement there. Personally I favour the Operators due to just liking the aesthetic.

@@aydencahoon6557 u wish u had swag like the pack

Also I like how “gore” has definitions and uses outside of just flesh, they don’t get used too much by comparison but it’s a nice bit of versatility in language

I can't remember where this was said specifically but mutants have so many gore bags because it apparently makes the meat inside taste better. It's never explained why it makes the meat taste better but a theory is that it's because the fluids gets drained making it less saturated in blood, therefore making it more palatable.

Just looked it up and it was Strong that mentioned flesh tasting better when hung up.

@@deftomnivore215 yeah Strong or Dog would’ve been my guesses, there’s not a lot of random conversations you can pick up when sneaking

The implication was that they were eating people i think

Most of the raider gangs in fallout 3 were subordinate to the biggest gang at Evergreen Mills, like how it work in real life with real life gangs. You kinda have to do some digging to find this out but Jericho pretty much tells you it if you ask him. There's also the cut mechanic where if you had very evil karma raiders would become friendly and you would've been abel to use Evergreen Mills as another base/town. There's a trader in there that will imply a little more about how the raider in the capital wasteland operate.

This also fits with the fallout 3 theory of its supposed to be earlier in the timeline imo too

@@thestrangah9690 It could also be seen as example of just how bad the CW is even after 200 year to have 80% of its human population scrounging around out in the wasteland fighting for survival, fighting each other, fighting mutants, etc.

my head canon is the radiation gave them brain tumors and drove them mad, does it work for every raider? no but it's easy enough to slap that bias in your head and tune out the goofiness

@@thestrangah9690no it doesn’t

if fallout was realistic to 200 years of time passing most if not all the buildings would have collapsed, rotted away, or burned down by now, fallout isnt realistic

@@Pigness7it should still be grounded. Just because there are dragons in a setting doesn’t mean it’s fine for the narrative if someone can just randomly fly.

@@Pigness7 hey it's everyone's stupid fault for making it real game and have a cult follow it since everything about in the fallout universe including new vegas isn't realistic because there's lots of guns that we usually find in real life but since humanity hasn't really invented them or haven't had the time to make them a reality due to the great war, it's both unrealistic and historically inaccurate.

@@Pigness7 At that point they'd actually be overgrown and the landscape would be much more lush.

@@BloodwyrmWildheart Yep. Look at Pripyat: Few buildings have outright collapsed (despite shoddy construction and no maintenance for 38 years), but the city has been overgrown with foliage, kept in check only by the roaming animals who feast upon it.

People often go crazy deep trying to come up with lore reasons for some things in these games when it can often just be resource management and making things easier for the dev team. I mean it's not an exciting answer but often true.

Fallout 1 and 2 reused assets as well. Don't get me started on New Vegas' assets.

@@falcoon_f_zero9450 Except it clearly wasn't just resource management. New Vegas shares a huge amount of assets with Fallout 3. The raiders not just leaving bodies, guts and gore lying around was clearly a deliberate choice.

@@Fusseliko I mean nobody knows for sure except the devs themselves. I understood resource management in a way where they wanted to communicate to the player from a distance that a place is taken over by raiders, so the player should be prepared. But they didn't create many assets for that so they just put the usual spiked poles and hanging bodies everywhere. Same way as you start seeing gore bags strewn everywhere you know there's super mutants around. Just an easy indicator on what you're going to go against.

​@@falcoon_f_zero9450Also marking territory in lore

Fiends: blood, guts, drugs! 3/4 Raiders: blood, guts, drugs! *but why* Fiends: we're long-term chem addicts who mostly recruit people who can't pay for their drugs any other way. We use brutal violence for the thrill, because we're doped on psycho, and (when we can think straight) to threaten people into giving us what we need without risking ourselves. Also we eat people because Cook-Cook is an insane genius and figured out how to make it taste real good. 3/4 Raiders: a e s t h e t i c

76 unironicly gave its raider gangs unique identities as did Nukaworlds gangs and the rust devils. Its not like bethesda cant do unique and intresting raider groups and not just generic drugged murder hobos

It makes some sense why raiders in 3 and 4 are so savage, brutal, and unorginized. Think of it like this, in Boston and DC there aren't any major groups to stand against raiders, so they wouldn't really have much need to improve or organize themselves to survive. The Bos in DC only arrived fairly recently and didn't have much of a foothold there yet. Most of the people in Boston haven't even heard of the Bos until their airship arrived. And even then their goals in Boston didn't involve going out of their way to clear out raider gangs anyway. And the minutemen were also starting to fall apart even before the SS woke up. Making it easy for more raiders to rise up and take control of wherever they go.

@@brandenhauser1635 Except it's been 200 YEARS! There should be SOME form of organized SOMETHING by now. Even if it's ex-Raider gangs that have coalesced into a type of tribal Clan system, there would be something ... instead, Beth didn't read the cliff notes and just figured the post-apocalypse collapse state would continue for ever without people seeking to organize their system to maximize their effect on the world.

@@Minalkra Yes, a lack of any rival power *should* lead to the raider clans centralising under a single great warlord or similar, *not* to endless stagnation.

As a mainer who was born in mass, i can agree

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The raiders would go around and... raid then leave the bodies up as a way to mark their territory. It's also implied the raider gangs fight amongst themselves because of the presence of seemingly fresh raider corpses at a lot of these camps. Basically the CW is locked in one long, bloody, and big gang war.

​@@ZOMBIEWOLF29Necroskullfuck time

Maaaaan you just recontextualized all of those hanging corpses into banging corpses and I kinda hate you for it

"raiding" isn't a viable long term strategy. if you murder and rob the few groups making food and resources you quickly run out of those groups. so if they are trying to desensitise new recruits they probably aren't going to exist long enough to warrant it. raiding groups would get the most mileage from making a big show of force but doing little actual violence to scare farmers into offering a portion of their crop. the raiders in question might even go so far as to protect the farmers from other threats to ensure ongoing offerings. bethesda just doesn't seem to understand how time works and thinks it's reasonable for nobody to disturb a vending machine for 210 years

​@@MrOsmodeusyou realize that scaring and taking supplies and protection money is exactly what the raiders in fallout 4 do right? Like there are multiple missions where the focus is taking out raiders who are intimidating settlements. Not to mention of course other immoral things they can do to get by. Like fallout 3 raiders selling and purchasing slaves. We don't know if they do, but they could. Which would allow for some to actively trade and work with the slavers from the Pitt and the other place near little lamplight (I forgot the name) and also of course, multiple instances of the kidnapping and ransoming of people or selling them off. Creating and selling drugs which they might do, we already know they extort settlements, not to mention the multiple instances of them attacking caravans and supply routes across all of the games, and of course it seems that large, long term raider gangs do have some form of self sustainability. Like the Pitt raiders, the nukaworld raiders, evergreen mills which shows them actively trading and working together, not to mention other things. Aka, They actively do and participate in the things you say they don't. And it can be reasonably assumed they also have other forms of sustainably that isn't just robbing people. And hell, it seems those that do survive on robbing people just shack up between common routes people take and force them to pay a toll. Most likely when word comes around that people are being robbed there, they pack up and find a new spot to repeat the process. I wouldn't be surprised if there are gang wars for prime robbing positions along caravan routes. Few raiders are gonna attack major outposts, their gonna attack the supply routes. Like we've seen them do. Across every game besides 76

​@MrOsmodeus uhh hello the npcs respawn of course they can keep looting and pillaging

Also possibly brain tumors

@@MrOsmodeus they literally do that in fallout 4, source is abernathy farm

It's still safer to consume irradiated agriculture than humans - NOT because of the medical issues, but because you're going toe-to-toe against an armed, tool-using, sentient predator. It would be safer to hunt mirelurks. Hell, it would be safer to hunt deathclaws.

I think the captured NCR helmets would also count

Tactics had some great ideas, really sad we haven't seen either group show up since

@@0lionheart I'd love to see the Beast Lords or Press Gangs make a return.

Yep exactly, raider pop > diamond city + bunker hill etc. Its supposed to be like public workers, you need lotsa taxpayers to support em.

Not to mention most people stop raiding after awhile since its not a working system in the long run. To make raiding work you need to like, limit the raids to like...i dunno, once a year, like the vikings did, so you give people time to rebuild their shit, not to mention non-killing rules since if you go brutal kill-all style you actually decrease the stuff to raid over time.

almost like bethesda can't write a dystopian society that makes sense

Winter of atom book.

@@jimfortnite7810 lol obsidian fanboy copefest, the outer world was shit, black isles hasn't made a good game in 10 years

well one stat cannibalised the other

Listen, cannibalism is a very different thing from cannibalism, they are not the same

Kuru was a prion

@@insomniagobrrr5542 the prion found that causes kuru is almost exclusively found in human brain matter. The documented cases of it were caused by people eating human brains. It also has all sorts of weird behaviors in those affected. There's also things like wendigo psychosis which is also caused by cannibalism. In other words the idea that people pushed to cannibalism have a multiple possibilities as to why they would develop sadistic or psychotic behaviors, isn't unrealistic and does have some reality to it.

@@ryanadams2610 kuru doesn't exist it the US and as far as I'm aware has gone "extinct" as both cannibals and cannibalism are dieing out.

and the radiation can cause brain tumors that have a similar mental effect

@@ryanadams2610 I wasn't disagreeing with you, and was correcting a mistake. Prions and viruses spread differently.

What an interesting insight.

I saw a guy sleeping on the ground with his bare bald head on the concrete. Opiates can make even the hardest surface feel like a tempur-pedic

Eh, they're still alive. This is a list about dead people sticking around. Not sticking people around till they're dead.

I think the main argument here is that the Legion aren't really "Raiders" they are just a violent civilization

@@kazmark_gl8652 “no raiders on legion roads” yeah and they don’t attack Nuka world either

​@@lyntonflemingSkeletons are kept up

@@lyntonfleming Bunker hill has a couple of skeletons on crosses, but your point still stands.

If we live to see Fallout 5 that is, we aren't guaranteed another 10 years on this planet.

@@enescustovic1883 …fair point.

I love the thought of being able to play Fallout 5 while being young enough to remember it, but I do think it is a unrealistic viewpoint considering Bethesda has recently found the CTRL+C and CTRL+V combo.

@@nitwriter4804 Its modern Bethesda, their games just arent memorable straight up You could be peak health and still forget it within a week

@@enescustovic1883 lmao no

Almost like Obsidian/Interplay knows how to tell an intricate story with complex characterization and Bethesda only knows how to make things cool on the surface but with no depth

Raiders in FO4 mention needing to feed their kids. Some are at grave sites mourning people they lost. It's interesting what you can see and hear if you pay attention and use your eyes. 😐

@@SamanthaLaurier nah obsidian is mid frfr

@@jho7659 Have you ever even played an Obsidian game?

@@fburnsDubstepEnderFox A random voice line that can be said by any raider and a single raider at an unmarked grave in the open world who is still hostile on sight isn't storytelling. It's not even close to being able to speak to and ally yourself with different "raider" groups, listen to their motivations and values, who their enemies and allies are etc. New Vegas alone has 4 different groups that you can speak with, and 3 of them you can actually join (Caesar's Legion, Powder Gangers, and Great Khans.) The others are just the basic open world enemies, and even some of those have dialogue from other characters describing who they are and how they operate. ALL bethesda raiders, minus Nuka-World and the Pitt, are just rabid psychos with guns and drugs, but sometimes they crouch at a grave, or have a random voice line about their kids that don't actually exist, or use flamethrowers and change their name to the Forged, or they're ghouls who speak Norwegian (they're all still the same)

While 50s stuff was the primary influence, stuff from the 80s and 90s like Mad Max, City of Lost Children, Hardboiled, and The Day After were also major influences on the original Fallout. Mad Max is the only one Bethesda kept. (I think it's interesting to ponder how Gundam X and especially Fist of the North Star would have influenced Fallout had they been known in the US at the time)

@@kanrakucheese I call it the Star Wars effect. The original was inspired by pulp noir, westerns, samurai films, WWII films. The later films were inspired by.. Star Wars. Fallout was inspired by a lot of classic cinema, the later games were inspired by.. Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. You end up with an ever shrinking pool of ideas that's increasingly cannibalistic, because you lose the ability to add anything new that fits *cough*Institute*cough*

MILK FOR THE KHORN FLAKES!

If all the farmers turned bandit then they'd starve within the year because there'd be nowhere near enough food to go around. The kind of manual low tech farming you see in Fallout 4 isn't going to be operating at much above subsistence level, definitely not enough to support a population of thieves that don't contribute in any way and outnumber everyone else 10:1.

bullshit. if the game does a crap job making itself believable, I don' t care if some book attempts a post-hoc justification for it

@@512TheWolf512 well yes and no... It's entirely different writers, and they have a job to do. They have to fix the shoddy job that Fallout 4's writers did, and they have to write their own story in the setting. Bethesda's teams have this philosophy where anybody on the development team can make a quest and put anything they want in the game- and they don't maintain a design document capable of coordinating that style. So their quests aren't particularly consistent and their stories rarely link up with one another. The tabletop writers likely use an entirely different approach, and focus most of their effort on writing with a much smaller team. That forces a lot more cooperation, and creates a more cohesive interconnected story. And since they're making a more cohesive story out of a shoddy disconnected one... They're going to connect plot threads that were never there in Fallout 4. If I could compare it to anything... It's less like an author altering their work after the fact, and more like a fanfiction writer. I'm not sure if the tabletop games are even considered entirely canon. They miiiight kinda be, because they're licensed and fanfiction is unlisensed... But I don't know. They made numerous other additions to the Story too, but famine was just one of the bigger ones. They also focused on the Children of Atom, and I think all of the children of atom bases in Fallout 4 come up as major locations in their main story.

@@Graknorke I don't understand your comment... I completely agree with it, all of what you said was completely correct- but what's it for...? I didn't write the Winter of Atom. It's just something else that exists. I don't even understand why it's necessary to state that... Even in this fictional story, the raiders aren't behaving rationally. They think that they're going to die if they don't steal from their neighbors, and the Winter of Atom said that all their crops died, and that's probably an effort to explain why the fields are so small. Supposedly, they had to restart from next to nothing. Buuut that's... Purely inference. Are you doing okay...? I didn't piss you off, did I?

Just themselves? Not possible, you underestimate how much of a gargantuan task it is to restart civilisation.

@@olddirtymongrrelI think the commenter was referring to ghouls in general. Sure, a single ghoul wouldn’t be able to, but a group of irradiated humans that can make it through hundreds of years with their memories more or less intact and having adapted to the worst sides of radiation, one would expect them to rebuild civilization up to a point

Maybe they tried? Ghouls don't always stay sane. A ghoul society rising and falling would explain why there's so many ferals.

I gotta call a -Citation needed- on that one, because Momento Mori translates to YOLO

Danse Macabre?

@@DeetexSeraphine upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Dance_of_Death_%28replica_of_15th_century_fresco%3B_National_Gallery_of_Slovenia%29.jpg/800px-Dance_of_Death_%28replica_of_15th_century_fresco%3B_National_Gallery_of_Slovenia%29.jpg en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori Momento Mori is linked to the dance of death or danse macabre, which is the specific trope/genre I was describing. You should read into it, it's really interesting

I'd except to see Pickman _Lite_ behaviour for a well defended settlement. Surrounded by Raiders who when defeated and made very public examples of.

​@@MediumRareOpinionsPirates beware style

Fallout 3 "raiders" are nomadic and fight amongst themselves more than they fight the normal people of the CW. They mention this in The Pitt, calling them undisciplined rabble basically.

​@masteroutlaw100 Basically roaming tribes of bloodthirsty Chem addicts and sometimes cannibals.

@@Th0rn5555 Pretty much, and they compose about 80% of human population of the Capital Wasteland.

This is also true in the later Fallouts, with the possible exception of them being menacing early game.

They immediately reminded me of the effigies that the protagonists encounter as they approach the home of the raiders in "The 13th Warrior".

It's directly stated in-game that the Legion is actively providing intelligence to the Fiends to assist them in hamstringing NCR operations.

It could also be that House civilising the local tribes into the casino families has pushed the savage elements out into the nearby regions and they've fallen in with groups like the fiends

@@anon9469 that literally makes sense looking at it active-war-wise, the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation, and you also see fiends fighring ncr near mccaran so its proof

@@anon9469 This also explains why non-NCR endings assume the Fiends are defeated, regardless of Motor Runner's fate.

Doubtful. Gamblers and NCR citizens need to pass through outer vegas to reach the strip, and House wouldnt risk losing his Golden Goose for a little PR, especially when he's the sole proprietor of the strip and doesnt depend on votes to remain in power.

I know you mentioned it as a way of marking territory, I just think that's the main thing

I’ve always put it down to territory marking, cannibalism, chem use, gang initiation (if you’re really one of us, string up this gore), and potential radiation induced mutations or tumours all rolled up into one.

​@@mikoto7693Also making people think you're even more crazy than you actually are

@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 That’s a decent idea. Another reason I like, at least for FO3 and FO4 is to try to intimidate the super mutants. We’ve all seen that most east coast Muties either take people to be infected with FEV (though not applicable to FO4) or eat, stringing up bodies, meat and gore bags around their camps. Perhaps the raiders do something similar to indicate to the Muties that they’re just like them, just as tough as them and that the Muties are better off finding easier prey? I confess that idea isn’t mine, I merely read it from someone else in this comment section. But I really, really like the idea. So, in my mind the raiders string up bodies everywhere around their camps to intimidate anyone who sees it, to mark their territory (as I doubt Muties or other raiders know how to read or interpret signs), cannibalism, chem psychosis, extreme desensitisation to violence, gang initiation rituals, psychotic breaks, mental illness, radiation or mutation induced sadistic disorders and raider “cultural norms.” Raiders have a distinct style, particularly in FO4 where they have an almost uniform way of decorating their camps, wearing clothing and style of armour. There’s plenty of evidence that there are different groups of raiders led by different leaders across the Commonwealth. They know each other-usually as rivals squabbling over territory. Tower Tom, Red Tourette, Bosco, Jared and so on. It makes me think that Raiders are a sorta faction with some very basic rules and cultural norms to distinguish themselves and gore-filled camps is one of them. Which brings us back to intimidation and territorial marking. Then there are the Rust Devils. Still raiders and recognised as such, but with the twist of being obsessed with robots. Note the twisted “robot corpses” they marked their HQ with. And the Forged. Raiders again but obsessed with fire, with their own style. Anyway it makes the most sense to me that all the factors are in play when it comes to gore decoration. Life is seldom simple. And on a totally different note, I really wish Bethesda had done something more with the Gunners other than basically being just another type of enemy to defeat. There was so much potential regarding a mysterious faction of mercenaries operating in the Commonwealth, yet their styling themselves after pre-war soldiers and setting up bases and camps strategically across the Commonwealth hints more than mere mercenaries. Ah well, can’t be changed now.

"Scrap that settlement" is a great mod for removing pesky skellies. Available on console and PC. Just check your mod load order once it's installed. :]

@@chzybean But how do we get the raiders to download that mod?

@@waytogo8014 Something tells me they would not so politely decline to accommodate such a request, haha.

I usually use explosives to move them out of the settlement. Works fine. Later on I added scrapping mods that allow you to scrap them away.

That’s…. Actually a pretty good explanation. Of course chem use, radiation tumours, cannibalism, initiation rituals and whatnot play a part. But stringing up bodies and gore to deter super mutants by showing that they’re as tough as Mutants makes sense.

You'd expect to also see super mutants strung up, then. ... though, of course, they're *not* as tough as super mutants, so maybe that's just easier said than done.

@@basedeltazero714 Aye, it’s a lot easier to target near-helpless wastelanders with no armour and wielding crappy pipe pistols than a pack of heavily armed and armoured super mutants. Given that super mutants also hunt wastelanders, I wonder if stringing them up as gore says “We hunt the same prey as you. We caught this prey; therefore we are as strong as you. Go find easier prey” to any Muties that pass. I doubt that many raiders or Muties can read so putting signs up might be pointless. The other main theory I prefer is raider cultural norms and territory markers. Particularly in FO3 and FO4, raiders have a very distinct look. Their clothes and armour are instantly recognisable, as are their camps. The raider group leaders know each other and their territory. Red Tourette, Tower Tom, Jared and Gabriel to name a few, mostly rivals and squabbling with each other yet recognising each other as fellow raiders. It makes me think that the bodies and gore partially serve to say “raiders live here” to denote territory and intimidate Muties and wastelanders alike. This video and the comments certainly helped me make up my mind for my own personal headcanon. The gore is part intimidation, part territory marking, part of those loosely agreed “raider cultural tradition,” part cannibalism (probably less common in the Commonwealth due to the abundance of farms, but if times are hard I’m sure most raiders would turn to cannibalism,) part mental health issues-be they chem induced or the result of becoming desensitised to violence or psychotic, and part radiation or mutation induced tendencies towards violence and gore. All these different factors all rolled into one with different raiders doing it for different reasons since life is seldom simple. Though admittedly the biggest reasons would be “raider culture,” intimidation and territorial marking. At least that’s how I explain it.

@@basedeltazero714 Plus stringing up a Super Mutant would take a lot more work, kinda heavy.

Except those groups exist _within_ society, they're counter-cultures lashing out at the status quo to express originality in the face of uniformity. Image is how you express yourself, and the more it contrasts the norm, the better. Can really only exist in a society that's moved past surviving, and can now actually thing about things like image and social status. It's a whole different world to surviving in a wasteland? Doubt you'd give a shit about your drip if you were starving and on your last mag of ammo.

The only destroyed places on the west coast is the Bone Yard (Los Angeles) San Francisco(rebuilt soon after war) Necropolis( Bakersville) and DayGlow(San Diego)

So did the Megaton House and Tenpenny Tower Suite in Fallout 3, which raises some serious questions not only about the Lone Wanderer if they choose that but also how they get those bodies in and how nobody notices.

​@@zerrodefex not sure about Megaton, but Tenpenny Tower Suite definitely can do something

Fallout 3 has those cages. Most notably Paradise Falls entrance

Not entirely true. While they aren't coded to behave as separate raider factions, terminal entries and notes in raider camps clearly depict different gangs being led by different people with clear rivalries and alliances with eachother, while they don't interact as separate entities in gameplay, they do in lore.

@@generalrevelation8923 It's still bad storytelling, they're generic aside from the named bosses and the two raider groups they did right but woefully underused--the Triggermen and the Forged. So many missed opportunities. Honorable mentions for the all ghoul gangs on the FMS Northern Star and outside Vault 88 (Quincy Quarries), but you have to be paying attention to realize they're not just typical raiders.

@@generalrevelation8923I think a simple change would be to do what 76 did and at least give the different groups different paint jobs. Maybe Bosco’s gang wear the colors of DB Tech, the Forged are red, etc.

If you bothered to read any of the in-world notes and terminals and stuff you'd realize how wrong you are.

​@@Sursion That's called "telling". I shouldn't have to read terminal entries to know that the different raider gangs aren't just random wastelanders whose brains have rotted out from huffing too much jet.

That or the people who criticize 3 didn't properly dig into it expecting instead to be spoonfed lore through exposition. They also don't know how gangs in the real world act. It isn't like the Khans or any other west coast raider gang that's for sure. Fallout 4 is sort of a fluke, I feel like bethesda just stopped caring about the writing or worldbuilding and just wanted to create a fallout themed shooting gallery.

@@masteroutlaw100 The Khans in the original games are still raiders who kill people and kidnap them for money. They aren't civilized, they just don't live in absolute squalor and disease.

Well if it isn't El Presidente

@@doughboywhine Everywhere in America pales in comparison to Tropico's splendor. Even before the bombs.

It's the lack of any story behind them that really sucks. The Powder Gangers are the direct result of the NCR being sloppy, bringing convicts in for forced labour and then screwing up, creating a new problem. The raiders in 3 are just.. there.. you learn nothing about them

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He always kills me with radiation so f atom

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Saturday morning cartoon baddies are great bad guys

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 yeah moraly grey realistic bad guys are overrated and allot more generic

what about them ~shed

Yeah, there's no generic raiders. You have different types of groups (Great Khans, Jackals, Vipers, etc.)

@@OperatorMax1993 Which I think is an underused and underutilized idea compared to 90+% of human enemies being generic "Raider (Rank)". STALKER and even NV in places (Legion vs. NCR's choices of projectile weapons) showed that just giving factions different leveled lists for guns gives them a huge amount of personality. Fallout 4 kinda sorta attempted it with the Gunners, Triggermen (who you basiclly only see during a few Goodneighbor quests and the unfinished vault in the main quests) and generic Super Mutants, but since the game had only 20 or so guns total it didn't really work, at best just meant factions had a few signature weapons.

Completely agree, I think all the crazy shit would definitely happen for a couple decades but guaranteed by the end of 100 years it wouldn’t be neeearly as bad

@@mackiemark5149 For sure. That's why always gravitated towards Metro more. You have the same decay of the world there, or even more, but it is only just 20 years after the global conflict. But again...different cultures, different artistic visions. Perhaps because I'm from Eastern Europe, I am pulled towards the more realistic side, rather than the pin-up, happy go lucky, nuclear-punk style.

In the US everybody wants to go back to the 1950's, 1960's. But here, everybody wishes those years had never happened xD

My favorite comparison on this front is Jamestown's founding in 1607. 210 years after that, the east coast had been pretty built up, formed a united government, sent scouts to chart the way to the west coast, gave the world's most powerful navy some serious black eyes (before getting blockaded), developed and built the world's first steam warship, and even starting laying railway. 210 years after the Great War in Bethesda Fallout, people still haven't cleaned their room or built decent new shelter.

@@kanrakucheese it's not a valid comparison because the North American colonies were established by European EMPIRES. In Fallout, there is no support network, everyone is rebuilding with what they can find and not much more. Progress would be much slower, similar to early civilisation. Progress isn't linear, we've jumped ahead the past couple centuries, early history is much much slower. Not Fallout 3 slow, that's just.. absurd, like they're not even trying. But Fallout 2 feels not crazy far off.

Yea - theses also the quest t9 get the kid back from the Forged. Who looked at a cult of raiders amd went "yea they seem like reasonable people to join up"