>People come to spectate a fighting game >A fight breaks out >People intervene to stop the fight Can't even have a bonus round these days...

6:13 For those wondering why Kakyoin is banned, its because *nobody can deflect the Emerald Splash!*

In the case of Steve, he came out when people couldn't play in person and it took a long time for him to be discovered, SO LONG in fact that by the time his potential was unlocked, Smash Ult had since long ended development. Never count out the possibility of even patchable games to end unbalanced

I would say you had a misconception about petshop. He isnt banned because he can fly. He is banned because of the earlier stuff you dissmissed, and this is what most top players agree on. Also if petshop was banned because of his hitbox then iggy would aswell since he can dodge alot of mids and also invalidate many combos bu he doesnt have the same bs that petshop does

0:27 the "pick someone else" from tweedy isn't because he's mad sonic is playing an OP character, he's mad sonic is trying to play a mirror match. he's saying "Get off my character, i just schooled you". And not "stop playing the character I think should be banned."

Minecraft Steve being an OP fighting game character is objectively hilarious

The DBFZ one is especially egregious because the Lab21 release patch was intended to be the last balancing patch the game would receive, and it wasnt until she was starting to get banned at big tournaments that they panicked and nerfed her.

PetShop is actually banned because of his setups and damage output. His changes to the neutral game due to his flight aren't really what caused but are a factor for it

While yoda was a console exclusive, the main issue with him is most characters did not have proper hitstrings that could actually combo him. Weak punishes meant Yoda would take extremely minimal damage, would cut a large chunk of usable skills from the opponent, and was generally just a menace.

There's some pretty bad misinformation on your section on Pet Shop. He's not banned because of flight. Iggy's also invalidates many combos and changes how you play neutral, but he's not banned. Pet Shop is banned pretty much exclusively because of the reasons you dismissed, as well as his insane guard cancel.

It's funny how they mention Hilde being banned for being able to kill off of one confirm but then unironically say Pet Shop's looping unblockable setup isn't actually banworthy

It's important to note that most of the reasons explaining why a character was busted in the video were actually just the cherry on top of what already make a character strong, including but not limited to: strong neutral tools, strong mix-ups, high damage output etc... Base game characters usually lack certain tool to compensate for their strong points (for example high damage but bad/no mix up). DLC characters tend to straight up have every good tool with little to no down side.

Eddie Gordo was banned in my house as a kid, the repeated low attack combo's sent my brother in to fits of rage.

Hey HFTF player here. While Petshops ability to cripple some matchups is good the reason he is banned is his icicle move wich lets him set up unblockables in offense, defense and in neutral. That mixed with that he can TOD off of these is why he was banned.

You know a character is broken when sonicfox picks them

gotta love the little drip goku that shows up for some of the dbfz clips

Little sad that he didn't go over a Street Fighter Alpha's Dan Hibiki, who was banned because of an intentional inconsistency that occurred whenever you would trigger a Shoryuken, as with Akuma,Ryu and Ken they all get invincibility during the move, but Dan's invincibility only happens 1/7 of the time

Steve isn't banned because "it just feels right" pmlg literally allows steve to escape hitstun, and wobbling was banned because it was an unescapable infinite off a grab, not because "it just felt right"

would love to see more tournaments with ONLY banned characters😂😂. who is the best OP player

You're forgetting that lab coat was also banned because she had 6 lows, good damage, crazy easy rejumps, a barrier that converts into a full combos, an overhead that's immune to 2h, insane full screen lariat that is air invincible and combined with an assist can immediately get you a turn which also bodies the most consistent way of making a comeback, that being spark into vanish, and an air grab that heals her

A reason characters get banned that you forgot to mention is that sometimes, there's a glitch that causes inconsistencies or even game breaking issues. I recall a few instances of "low tier" Street Fighter characters being banned for this reason

6:00 Here to make an addendum on this. Hilde was not "quickly banned from most tournaments". That only started to happen late into the game's competitive history (excluding the local level, that was a toss-up). The reason for this was that there was counterplay beyond blocking anything she does. The problem was that the counterplay was very high-stakes, and if you mess up once you run the risk of losing the round. Not a lot of players could handle the pressure (not meaning to slight anyone, just difficult to play flawless games when you're against humans), and it was eventually agreed upon for Hilde to be universally banned.

Short answer: if a character is so over powered that the competitive meta of the game revolves around them and they invalidate the majority (of not all) of the roster they get the ban hammer, no one wants SF1 roster size. Meta Knight’s worst matchup in brawl was a 50/50 against 7 characters (he’s included in this group of 7). And of the 6 that weren’t him most had a 20/80 matchup that wasn’t in their favor. So, most tournaments were full of meta knight and occasionally you’d see the 6 other characters, but mostly just Meta Knight. It was a game of Meta Knight be Meta Knight.

It's so funny seeing the absolute unit that is Akuma, and the supremely overpowered Andriod 21 next to _minecraft steve._ The only thing funnier would be if he was the most broken and was the only one out of the three that was actually banne-

I was part of the TO committee that banned Brawl MK for the US. It was called the Unity Ruleset Committe, and it was made up of about 15-20 of the main TOs in the USA. The main reason the ban lost traction because the Apex series (at the time the largest Smash tourney in the world), refused to go along with the ban because they frequently had Japanese players fly in for the event, and in Japan a ban decision had not been reached yet. That situation caused the rift of some MK Legal/Some MK Banned events because the main argument for legality was to be able to practice for what was Smash's EVO at the time.

Also, Pokémon Unite had Zacian as a really broken Pokémon that ripped through the game. And they we’re also talking about banning Kazuya in Smash Bros too

Appreciate the variety of games included. Well done mate.

This applies to any competitive games or games with competitive scenes. There will inevitably be banned characters/weapons/whatever because games aren't balanced for competitive play entirely so you have things that will absolutely be broken and OP in the hands of skilled players and ruin the competition.

The point of not being able to train against console exclusive characters is also true for DLC characters since you need to buy the character to even train against them, yet we don't seem to ever argue that. We should, though.

"It just feels right" then mentioning Meta Knight (could exploit a bug to go invisible indefinitely in Brawl - sometimes accidentally) and Bayonetta (had a 0-death off a very easy confirm).

I remember fighting against lab coat 21 online. She straight up made me stop playing dbfz

Soul Calibur 4's Hilde wasn't banned quickly. Infact, she's the reason Soul Calibur 4s competitive scene died out. People wanted her banned early on, however they didn't. This caused the scene to die off, and when she was finally banned most the hype around the game was over, so it killed off the game.

I would also like to mention another reason, through I do not know if I am just misunderstanding or I just felt is important and obvious. If a character has game breaking glitches, it can probably be banned, or at least the glitch, the only example that comes to my mind is box art mega man who had an infinite jump glitch that allowed him to win through time out.

Lab Coat 21 was the best character in the game by a long shot even without considering the move that got her banned

Steve being banned is wild because characters in past games like Meta Knight or Bayonetta were WAYYYYY worse to fight than steve.

Thanks for the vid

5:30 is that silhouette supposed to be funky Kong lol

Some extra information on why labcoat 21 was banned in dbfz besides her high use rate was the way the mechanics also changed in dbfz. Yes she could combo into the move that took 21% of your characters damage away permanently, but what wasn't mentioned in the video was you didn't even need to get a hit with her to do it anymore. The way dbfz "tags" use to work is in order to switch out your character for one of the other 2 on your team, you use to either have to do a combo, and then use supers to put them in costing meter. OR you could hold the assist button and swap them in during neutral. This is obviously risky because if the opponent reacts in time, it's a free combo. The way DBFZ made labcoat 21 even more over powered was they changed how the tag system worked. Instead of having to use meter to use supers after a combo, or take a risk to swap them in, if you start a combo with any character, you can swap in another character mid combo for free and then continue the combo. So instead of relying on playing with labcoat as a starting character where she could lose in neutral and die, why not put her last on your team and if either of your other 2 characters starts a combo, just tag her in for the free damage nerf move? There was no avoiding it anymore, there was no counter play possibilities at all. If you got hit, they are going to get the necessary meter, tag her in, then take your damage. TLDR: she could use the move to take your damage away, but the game core system was changed to allow any of your characters to start a combo, tag her in, continue the combo, and take your damage for free.

SCII had several others who weren't in the arcade version either including Sophitia, Seong Mi-Na, and a few others.

I fought in a Soul Calibur 2 tournament many years ago, and luckily the console exclusive characters weren't much of a threat . It pretty much came down to me as a Nightmare player, Killik, Yunsung and finally Maxi making it to the finals. I made 3rd with Nightmare!😊

What's interesting was IIRC, Yoda and Vader eventually became DLC for the other version, and in SCIIHD, both Heihachi and Spawn were available regardless of console, so even by that point, exclusives were being phased out

Just out of curiosity, are you guys gonna cover the current state of Overwatch and the esports scene or will you wait till the tension has gone down a bit?

Nice video, very interesting.

Steve from tekken 5 had an infinite combo which guaranteed rounds and also jin had one in tekken 4 where the final was just two jins spamming the move

This is the most ignorant comment section I've ever seen. 💀 If you sort by new, almost every comment is saying shit like "bro they just need to get good" or "competitive players are crybabies". Bro that's like going to a Basketball game and complaining about the foul system 💀, like wtf

I, to this day, don’t know what the devs were thinking with Labcoat Android 21. How did they think a move giving a permanent buff to your character and rebuff to the enemy’s would be fun and balanced

You know something funny that Even if they nerfed or banned characters there are still people that have practice on other characters to learn something that can make em do some cheesesteak move or something like that but I am curious on two things! 1: are there possibility they can do a tournament on playing only banned characters? 2: are there any Banned Players that can’t participate because how good or cheesey they are on fighting games~?

You CANNOT just flashed Virgil for two seconds. Do you have any idea how much pain that guy put me through?

I love the thumbnail. Android 21, Akuma, and the most terrifying of all… STEVE

I understand why you omitted MK from the power level banning section of the video. That would need its own whole ass video. Maybe a video for each one. A whole KZfaq channel just to post them. Sounds kinda familiar, actually...

3:21 Does mewtwo really fall in this category when you need to unlock like half of melee characters? Also shoutouts to khryke lol

Steve was broken since launch, but got banned once people found a tech. I forgot what the tech was, but steve got banned everywhere so it had to be busted

I am by no means a competitive player at MK11. But I really REALLY hated coming up against someone playing Sheeva before dhe got nerfed. That stomp move... The player just spammed that and it was not fun. There were ways to counter it with some characters, but they were never really guaranteed to work. Basicaly, you needed to focus on a counter all the time while the other player was just spamming down up...

the thing about smash is that unlike some of the others, Nintendo couldnt care less about even the newer smash games. they've wiped their hands clean of it, and they will likely never patch it ever again, just as they did with smash 4.

Good video 👍🏻

I think all characters in fighting games should be so insanely overpowered that they are all banned and you can’t play anyone in tournaments lol

I thought Mvc3's Vergil would apear on the video, a lot of people talk about how broken he is, but as an outsider i don't really understand why that is

"One one person chose not to run 21" That man went on to win EVO

Some misinformation on the AC+ part... Using ACPR footage instead of AC, lmao Also thanks for using my footage :)

You guys use labcoat 21 cus she's good? I use her cus she looks good

A lot of times characters are strong or overpowered on purpose in an effort to get people to like the character or because they are the newest character. Yun, Yang, Luke in SF5, Lab coat 21 just to name a few. It's strangely common believe it or not

When Leroy came out I was playing with some dude my ex was talking to I learned a few parrys and like one combo he was no the same after that set 😅

The fact Vegito got more plays than Gogeta, with no knowledge of the SSG BS super has spewed, seems wild to me. And as someone who has watched every movie, who tf is android 21? Super, please stop with your goal of improving on z, it just hurts Super in the long run when the honeymoon period is replaced with hindsight

this is why even though i can enjoy watching tournaments, its depressing how tournaments and vs in general ruin characters.

Negan isn't weird He's Miguel with a bat

I would say that in 90 percent of cases, a ban is necessary, for someone like Steve form ssbu, it is because while he’s not only one of if not the strongest character, he also has tech that literally makes fighting him unfair if the person knows how to and at a high level people will use and abuse it

My thing is who determines what's to strong??? It's in the game but then some random people decide you can't use that character that's literally in the game? Console exclusive characters make sense cause not everyone has access but "too strong"??? What determines that

Eddie Tekken 3 is banned in our household lol

TBF, the main difference between Steve and MK and Bayo is Steve isn't just because he's strong. It's also because he sometimes just doesn't take hitstun, allowing him to effortlessly counterattack.

6:30 I guess that reference FLEW over everyones heads 🤭

The part where you talked about Pet Shop is actually the other way around, he wasn't banned because he could fly and therefore not be hit by low attacks, but rather because of his UB setups.

Why you gotta keep showing Jamie clips in this vid? Don't do my guy dirty like that he's far from broken lol

I left smash in 2012, but still have some knowledge of the characters. Metaknight had infinite cape glitch, could fly practically forever or recover from just about anywhere, basically no counters if you knew how to get in and could stall the game out indefinitely. IceClimbers had infinite grab to death, so one grab equals one stock. Bayonetta in smash 4 had NO I repeat NO counters! For Steve from minecraft in ultimate basically he could make a platform anywhere.... like that's literally broken I know it's his mechanic and all from his game but it's like being able to build a stage while playing you're master hand you're god while playing. I've seen games where the dude is almost dead falling back and then he makes a platform and gets his second jump back. I mean watching it in itself is frustrating. The problem with broken or unbalanced characters is that everyone just picks them and the game becomes boring and stale. It reduces variety and promotes singularity.

spawn was so sick in soul caliber 2. I never played in any SC tournaments but SC2 was so much fun.

6:13 bro said “kack-yoin” ☠️

I used to play a lot of Tekken 7 but I really lost respect for the devs for allowing SEVERAL OP characters during it's lifespan. Akuma and Geese were bad but I learned to live with them. Leroy and Faku was the last straw. Especially when Leroy was released, the competitive scene was sooooo unwatchable with everyone and their grandma using the character. Harada has always had his favorites and he also likes putting in intentionally low-tier joke characters. But what happened made me think that he really doesn't care about balance at all.

Lab Coat 21 was BROKEN. Incredibly fast grab super (almost unreactable online and still hard offline) that can be used in strings, already mentioned 21% buff to herself and PERMANENT nerf to enemy. No matter if she died or you switched. Even without that she was busted. Long blockstrings, many mixup options, projectiles, traversal options, her spin attack vacuums enemies (and can hit from behind her lmao) AND she has a DP too if I recall right. Even after the nerfs she's annoying as fuck to play against. I think someone made an analysis of her pro fights, and average match went from about 2 minutes in length to 4 minutes when 21 was on either team due to players having to play more passively and defensively or risk getting snowballed.

Dead or Alive in tournament competition, Alpha 152 she's the alter ego of Kasumi and downright very OP and cheap, you can finish your opponent in one infinite combo setting. She was outright banned from tournament competition due to unfairness across all circumstances. Since Alpha 152 from DoA wasn't mentioned I just mentioned it.

Hokuto No Ken from ArcSystem Works has entered the chat and would like a word with you 😂

There needs to be a banned character tournament. ONLY Banned characters can be used. So if everyone has them, then no one has an edge lol

Wasn’t Steve banned in smash comp because people complained about it???

@Ryzingsol out here with the cameo

that steve clip was kinda cool

The dude yelling at Sonic fox for playing op characters is beautiful. Dude's so overrated, it's insane. The real problem with op characters is that players are insecure and desperate enough to do anything for the win. It's embarrassing.

Most of the B-roll in the beginning weren't even ppl salty over an OP character that were ban worthy. It's just pure unrefined salt. Especially any clip that involves LTG

As kids in the 80s, we banned San Francisco from Tecmo Bowl, because we found SF’s Pass 3 to be un-defendable if you threw the button hook.

Could you guys do an updated tetris video but focus on the modern competitive tetris community

I’m glad we can all agree that Smash is a FIGHTING game.

What a misinformed video. "Banning" is uncommon in fighting games. It happens frequently in the Smash community, but that's a separate issue altogether because here we're talking about fighting games as played by FGC. FGC historically avoids banning characters as much as possible UNLESS A) certain characters are just not meant to be accessed normally like Akuma in SF2 B) certain characters are walled behind console exclusivity like Kratos in MK9 or C) certain characters have a game-breaking bug, like in Season 4 of SFV Blanka was very briefly banned in some small tournaments because he had the glitch to freeze the game. (Majors only banned the act of the glitch itself. The character was free to be picked still) The only case where these didn't apply was Android 21 because it's true that she was extremely overtuned, but she was only banned for 1 circuit-official tournament. As busted as Leroy and Fahk were, they were never banned. Yun and Yang were extremely overpowered in SF4, but they were never banned. FGC traditionally believes in "Hate the game, not the player" mentality. If a player wants to pick an overpowered character because they want to win that badly, it's their freedom. TOs don't warrant a power to interfere with their decision. It's the game developer's fault that they failed to balance their game, it has nothing to do with how the players want to play the game, is the basic philosophy of the FGC. A lot of it comes from the fact that fighting games tend to focus on the mastery of the character. If a third party "bans" your favorite character - the character that you associate yourself the most with - is like taking a part of your identity away, and FGC never took that to their liking. Also you can tell whoever wrote the script for this video doesn't really play fighting games lol "This character was so good because he had good frame data" Yeah let's just throw around some buzzwords. Like yeah ok we can totally tell you're an expert.

We need to add Baihe from Them;s Fightin Herds to the list now lmao

in mk x , cybersubzero was playable as a hidden character but was he banned?

When MK11 devs allowed custom variation in ranked, Jacquie was banned for a time in tourneys

Not sure if you even tried googling why meta knight was banned in brawl but it was for the flight ability up B mixed with his glide and also his crazy speed if I remember right

I only have one question. Where the hell is the Switch port of SCII, with Link?!?!

At 3:16 which version of MK1 is that?

Fahkumram? I just hope in Tekken 8 they add too brothers called Sack Madek and Sack Makok 💥🔥🔥

Akuma is basically Ryu and Ken on steroids caught me off guard

The thing with the boss characters is like if giga bowser was allowed in Melee.

as a newbie to fighting games those clips scared me lol

0:49 does anyone know the link to this fight?