These guys are the biggest golf geeks on youtube, in the most positive sense of the word

Being a lefty its very refreshing to find reviews from a lefty! The detail you guys are going into is priceless keep up the good work.

I know this is an older video, but I would love to see this being looked at again. I have been struggling with a two way miss on my driver. Just too much activity in my hands. I have started to set up with a a fade stance and 7/10 goes straight and the others baby fade with low spin and a lot more carry than a straight set up. Love this idea

Awesome stuff guys! So nice to have Matt hitting balls and seeing some data with the higher swing speeds IMHO. It's tough to find much data for around the 120 mph clubhead speed, so I am loving it!

You keep one upping yourselves on quality content...Great stuff guys!

This is the most informed golf page on youtube imo. Nice job.

Watching this in October ... crazy to see Matt's old swing!!

No question, no question. Love watching these guys.

I think they typically go with whatever their swing pattern dictates. Because of D plane, you will be fade bias when you hit up on the ball. Combine that with rotation leaving the face open longer and pointing the path more to the left (for a right hander) and you get a fade pattern.

Nice demonstration. Interesting take on how equipment tech is changing the thoughts on desirable ball flight. I don't feel so bad hitting my slice...err fade off the tee now.

Great video again. Really solid information. I know for me I also watch what the pros do and TRY to incorporate it into my game. For what I do is to try and aim for the shot and then either open or close the face a bit, regrip the club and then swing.

Holy cow Matt, look at how far your swing has come along the last few years. #progress

Can’t believe how much mats swing has changed 👏🏻

Really good. Interesting comment about not changing swing and adapting to the target. Have always felt that but nice to hear you validate it. Definitely helpful with how you can achieve that shot with how you strike it on the face and with an upward angle of attack. Thanks

You guys look like you have a fantastic facility there, haven’t seen anything like it in the UK!

I get pros hit fades however as someone whos sliced drivers for 15 yrs a draw not only works but feels like an accomplishment

long hitters always played the fade nicklaus , hogen etc its easier to repest under presurre and repeat , plus it avoid the snap hook im playing the fade since 1989 long drive champions used it as well by the way nice to see a fellow lefty (i use the same club) ps. hogen avoided one side of the fairway all his carrier

Hey guys, just wanted to say what fantastic work all your videos have been. Always learn something new whenever I watch them. Definitely more aware of what to look for but also what info I need to be feeding to a club fitter when the time comes. Cheers.

With the adjustable hosels NOT truly changing the true static loft of a head (but simply opening or closing the face down)........I would guess you would get more consistent results if you simply cherry picked a head with the desired specs as opposed to getting overly wrench happy? So if you wanted 9 degrees slightly open wouldn't it be better to find head that was measured 9 to 9.5 and maybe 1-1.5 open FA. As compared to getting a 10.5 head and turning it down a degree which would ONLY open the FA assuming you will square and de loft at address? I know from my personal experience that I had more success with tour heads or measured spec heads and keeping it all STANDARD. Anytime I messed around with the wrench it was never as good distance or flight. But that is just me....

Another gem video! Now it makes sense :D Funny enough, the most fairways hit I played, was hitting fades all day, but the drawer in me fights it! hahaha

I have messed around playing draws and fades. I can get a little extra out of a draw, no doubt, but i haven't stuck with enough to have the consistency, i can over draw it or push it. I'm currently a fairly straight flight or a slight tail of fade and i seem to be more consistent that way. The slight distance gain and shape of a draw still seem to seduce me though haha. It's funny how a draw is perceived as the better flight. I can understand how a high spinny banana slice is a bad thing but there is so much want for people to hit big draws, which can also have as many problems

Defintely the best content on KZfaq on the technical aspects of gear/fitting. It's been a huge helper for me to gain better insights prior to getting a premium fitting (what to ask for, how I'd like to play and so on).

I missed this video when it came out but glad I found it. Loved this discussion!

Great Video guys!

Excellent video thanks guys. I hit a fade and no matter how much I try to hit a draw it fades a little. You made me feel better ha ha ha. Thanks

You guys need to do this one again

Alignment is the only way I can change shots with any kind of control but I primarily play the fade for all shots. And I also have tested a fade vs draw on distance and the amount of yards I gain on a draw is at best 5 yards with my 250 carry driver distance.

I saw the video that Bubba Waston explains why he prefer hitting fade, the fade(not the slice) the ball go less off the line even you over faded it(ball goes higher). But the draw may go further off the line because it will go lower and roll even more.

Brilliant. Love the detailed, technical analysis.

I'm fairly erratic with my driver. I swing 2-3 degrees in to out, naturally my good shots are draws and my misses are hooks and push slices. I've tried the fade on the range to see if it can tighten my dispersion. The results are horrendous. When trying to leave my face slightly open to path, I massively overdo it and hit awful, weak, high push-slices with crazy spin and no speed. I've tried hard to scale it back from there, but it's difficult. I just can't find subtlety with an open face-to-path. I like the advice you gave here- I will try aiming left and hitting target through instinct, rather than conscious efforts of clubface manipulation.

It’s a high percentage and easier shot to hit with a driver hence it's a good option, and these guys hit it so long that a few yards less but in the short grass is good.

A draw is better - more speed so when you hit the trees the ball bounces off them back onto the fairway. With fades not as much speed, hits trees and drops at the bottom of the tree.

Nice video it's funny as I bet most amateur golfers think (myself included) the draw is a 'sexier' shot and then struggle to get it rather then be happy with a consistent/accurate swing. Oh one question. I saw your video from the PGA show but have you been testing the new chrome softs? I am around a 103-110 mph club head speed with driver and have always played the standard soft. However, I read somewhere that >105 you should be playing the soft x - I just can't get it in my head I should be playing the tour speed ball though. Do you know if there is a big difference in ball speed, distance and spin between the two balls at higher speeds (more so with irons and wedges) ? Or is this something I will just need to test myself and see.

No mention of the out to in swing? Is that his typical swing? Definitely crushing hit !

D plane means that with a neutral swing, short irons will have a draw bias and driver will have a fade bias (when you have a + angle of attack). End of story. You'd have to have a very draw biased swing to hit draws with driver, and this is something Rory himself identified as a reason his wedges have less than ideal distance control.

I don't know what my ball flight for the driver is called - but I usually aim left edge of the fairway and the ball direction starts off around 10-15 yards to the right and should be on the center of the fairway. My misses tend to be when the ball flies straight where I aim (which ends up in the rough). I think I usually just push it? I average around 265 off the tee and find around 10 out of 14 fairways each round.

This was so sweet videot!

@7 minutes Ian, you mention adjustable drivers and weights, (which most drivers these days have, but stats show that few people actually adjust.) I would love to see a human tested video on one specific driver and the difference these changes can have on a fairly consistent swing like Matt Has. Adjusting both weights and face rotation.

Ian and Matt, I love the content you guys are putting out but this particular video I have done issues with. To begin with, I believe that most tour players hit a power fade with a slightly out to in swing path and a closed club face with the face to path slightly open not as you describe in this video.

Is there a simple answer as to why pros now prefer fades to draws???

Love The VIDEO'S.. The I.V. Of Golf!!! Knowing the true Mind and thinking of the GOLF SWING...

Can Matt give me 5 MPH of his swing speed PLEASE i would be happy with 106/108 mph swing. Another great vlog gents.

Very informative guys. Nice video

So when I went to Shawn Clement my driver problem was the balloon slice. I now understand the swing dynamics to allow for a non slice. I would prefer fading. As a start should I experiment with delofting the adjustable Cobra King driver to allow for preserved compression with a fade swing?

Nice!!! More & more info learned!

Great stuff.

These are just excellent videos. V interesting.

Somewhat of a noob question... At my golf course there are about 3 holes where a hooking tee shot would be huge. There are trees down the left hand side, then a dog leg to the left. Trying a power fade over the trees seems risky. However, trying to hook is also risky because it might snap hook too early and go into the trees. What would a typical professional do in this spot, or what might you suggest? I have, at times, been able to successfully hook around the trees and set myself up for birdie but it is in inconsistent.

Well done. I think it has to be said the video production is really good. How do you deal with custom fit jitters when amateur golfers come in to be fitted.

I don't understand why the goal isn't to hit straight, long shots of the tee. Why draw it fade the ball? When I tee off, I aim for the center of the fairway.

Had to go back in time to find a good txg video. This channel isnt the same without matt

The way I see it you haven't answered the question. You only explained how hitting a fade doesn't hurt as much as it used to back in the days. I'd still be interested in know why to play the fade? You seemed to touch on it a little by saying a missed draw usually turns into a big hook, and a missed fade is much less damaging. Then why people even play draws at all as stock shots?

Great video again, but you pretty much still shows that the fade (even power low spin fad) is quite a bit shorter than the draw that Matt hits in the other video. I wonder if it is the same for the Tour players as far as distance loss of power fade vs power draw?

What puzzles me about the fade is how do you compensate the basic loft of the face? My driver is at already 10.5 degrees and when I adjust for the fade 2-3 degrees surely my club is now weaker resulting in much less distance --- is this simply the result I must accept, or is there another factor to be applied?

I know this is a fitting channel but notice 2 things: 1. Matt used to set his wrists at the top and had a faster, looser swing with perhaps less control 2. He hit drives with a driver just as far as now with 4yr old technology. Most guys are spending way too much on new stuff. They could get fitted with 2-4yo equipment and buy it off eBay.

fade is just way more common than a draw it's easier to slice than hook since your face opens on the backswing

I'm a 8 handicap and I hit my driver straight or a draw. I have a hard time starting the ball on line when I try and fade it.

It can be frustrating as a Right Handed player who naturally Draw/Hooks and does not slice the ball. Most clubs I find are built with a draw bias. Can anyone suggest a brand that has Fade Bias tendencies, or direct me to what I need to do with my clubs to remove the left side of the course

just change your grip if you want to hit a fade or draw

23/..5+>%= 5/8 x ab16>>>>(459)

Will the GC Quad give inaccurate path numbers if you're not aiming at the target? Or is path measured to target line? Was thinking path might be related to player setup

Ever see a 300 yd hook...it ain't pretty !

I am left handed, I just ran through and have been thinking over the years, golf courses are built to force RH players to draw, should I gear my driver for fade to attack the course better?

The "fade" for pga guys is more like a straight ball with it trailing to the right maybe 5 yards.

When is Matt gonna get an outfit fitting?!

For a left handed player, why do you call a ball that curves to the right a fade?

His swing has changed a lot since then lol

I have the cobra F9 driver and my ball flight is a fade. I swing up around 6 degrees and have the loft set to -1.5 (7.5) and weights forward. Is there any other way to lower spin?

with Driver it's much easier to hit a fade than with irons, that's a fact. Wedges is another story.

Why did you hit a left hand draw and call it fade ?

Where are you guys located? I would love to have a fitting.

I have a g400 LST with speeder pro XLR8 stiff swing speed 107 but having a hard time getting it in the air still carrying 260 but pretty low with tons of roll out what shaft would be a better fit for me to get ball in air but also be stable I have aggressive tempo but need high launch with this head any recommendations? Is the speeder XLR8 high launch? Thanks in advance

Sorry I don't understand, you say no one wants to hit a hook, surely a hook comes from a bad draw shot but conversely no one wants to hit a slice which comes from a bad fade shot. So my question is, why do you say a fade is more controllable then a draw? Both bad shots are devastating to your game. Thankfully I don't slice the ball anymore but when I did, it wasn't pretty and I couldn't score well from it. Surely a bad fade shot, that turns into a slice, is equally has bad as a hook? Also when you look at the dispersion figures on shot 2 & 3, there is basically 70, yards or feet? difference between them. If it's feet it's not too bad but if it's yard that's a long way. Looking forward to your response.

I have changed the hosel and made it 11 degrees so what other variables? Should I look at ad di or maybe a white tie or fubuki tour?? I have a g400 LST with speeder pro XLR8 stiff swing speed 107 but having a hard time getting it in the air still carrying 260 but pretty low with tons of roll out what shaft would be a better fit for me to get ball in air but also be stable I have aggressive tempo but need high launch with this head any recommendations? Is the speeder XLR8 high launch?

What happened to the graphite design tour ad?

Beginners slice then you hit the draw then you hit the fade Ben hogan

A fade is more consistent

So Twist face should help no matter what if you want to hit fades?

Without seeing video yet I'll guess.... cause it's easier/consitent to swing around your body for a fade then away from your body for a draw.... let's watch lol

Fades only spin more because how people achieve that ball flight🤷‍♂️

Where’s the mystery? Nicklaus, Hogan, and Trevino all hit fades.

Why hit a fade? I'll tell ya why. Because you can talk to a fade but a hook won't listen!

Ahhhhh...a south paw! Everything reversed! Ahhhh!

Don’t know what your settings are. 118 clubhead speed 1.38 smash carrying 320. A bit downhill downwind huh. Tour players don’t even carry it 320 on 180 ball speed

330 with that swing this video is a lie