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Basically, hitboxes suck because clients (or players) have different latencies (time it takes to send data to the server) so actions are delayed.

For the amount of time and years i've played roblox, this has been something i definitely picked up on. This applies to A LOT of interactions like racing and fighting games

Bruh my ping be 📈📈📈📈

This is why developers recommended you to play in YOUR region server because of less ping latency

Hey! Dev here, I've recently made something similar. A good way to approach is by either neglecting client-side registration or the other method which I'll explain So by neglecting client-side registration, while the hitbox may suck, you can increase the sizes of the hitbox to properly compensate for the latency If you dont want to stop using client regs, you can instead use sanity checks to check if the distance between the attacker and the victim is sane and well fair. While me personally i use the second method to not risk exploitation, you can implement your own!

I keep seeing a bunch of people who didn't even watch the video and comment: "Why doesn't my opponent get hit from far away?", They do you just can't see it because you are hitting them from your perspective, while in their perspective your position is delayed, just like yours is for them. "Ok but how do we fix the hitbox?", You can't really fix latency, Latency as mentioned is a physical limitation between the time it takes for packets to arrive between machines over the internet, there are some techniques out there done to mitigate latency. Client Prediction: Client prediction will basically simulate other player's physics on your client so it can predict where they are actually at on the server's world state and that way make it seem like all positions are instant. Also to clarify lag/latency is the time it takes for a message to be sent from your pc over to the server on the internet. Lag compensation: Lag compensation allows to cast hit registration from the server's world state, and rewind said hitboxes according to the latency of a player so it can predict what the player was seeing on their screen. Unfortunately, the methods above cannot be done with Roblox's default tools and require devs to learn complex frameworks such as chickynoid, so you can't really do anything for now.

Me: (Punches the air) A random player 10377483872738372 studs away: (OOOOOOOOF)

The problem is that roblox is just filled with children who don't understand this bs. So when you say "I have 200 ping dude, I can't hit you", the child on the other side says "get good kid, skill issue"

I kinda figured out about latency on Roblox simply by playing it, but I remember once having two devices in the same room playing Roblox, and it was crazy to me how long it took for a player jumping on one device to show on another It really put things into perspective

Thats like saying "the person has bad internet so your position on screen is delayed" with an extra step

No matter your ping, Whenever you step on a small object, Your character shoots up to the pearly gates

Incredibly well made video, bad part is that i got no arguments now whenever i die

Tycoon's collect buttons are never gona get fixed 💀💀😭

For those saying that this is a Roblox only problem, there are various instances that this can apply to different games One popular example is “peeker’s advantage”, which can be seen on Valorant, CS:GO, Rainbow 6, Fortnite, and any game, really, including Roblox. So, lets say we’re playing a game where guns immediately kill you, and we have two people: Camper and Peeker Camper is just camping a random part of the map, while Peeker is about to peek out and shoot Camper. Peeker has a higher chance of winning, since he would see Camper before Camper could see Peeker, giving Camper no time to react. This is because it takes a while for Peeker’s character to replicate to Camper’s PoV It’s kind of hard to explain, but I’m just saying that this doesn’t just apply to Roblox’s engine. The reason why you might not feel it is because games usually pair you to a server located close to you, while Roblox sometimes just puts you in a completely random server, throwing off your ping. Thats why when I join a game like Arsenal, if I don’t get put in a server I am near, I would go to the server browser and find a server closest to me to ensure the best possible ping. If you really want to feel this issue it in different games, just change your server to somewhere super far away, and you’ll feel it.

Praying for the video that explains how to fix latency when it comes to hitboxes, i'm planning a game out rn and i would really like to have a game thats fair for both sides

Well made video! Thanks for explaining this, and also for completely destroying the one and only argument I have whenever someone kills me "unfairly".

Me who already knows why but still watches it: hmm interesting.

Solution: Go outside and hit people with real weapons, there is no Latency in real life.

Goated video + informative + 5/5 + helpful + interesting + well made + straight to the point + well edited + good presentation

4:58 This is so annoying to deal with if you run away and spam your mele they will not get hit but you will. If they run a way you have to be in front of them and predict where they are going also they can hit you in this state.

THANK YOU. So many people complain about this without understanding how these things work. It feels so good to hear someone to talk about this. You earned a sub!

Conclusion: most pvp games are unplayable for south americans

why this video getting recommended 4 months later 😭😭

Thanks for covering this topic, man. I was in need of this kind of system to make the most accurate and fair hitboxes for my game.

Finally someone said it, Its frustrating to see someone blame the hitboxes or even the character model boundaries

most hitboxes lag behind meaning if your moving forward, its dogshit, but if your moving backward, you have immense reach

This is ultimately the reason why I stopped playing MM2

One thing I like to do in some pvp roblox games that is more melee based? Spin. Not even just click because touching the blade by any means = Damage.

In my own scripting ventures, I find it extremely difficult to program a faster fighting game (such as super smash brothers) due to latency. I utilize raycasting for nearly every single hitbox in my game, which feels great when you're the one attacking, but frustrating when getting hit. There is no easy solution, but as you mention at 6:09, there could be better solutions rather then solely relying on client side hitbox detection. I have not found anything smooth enough to solve this problem, so I'm very interested in seeing what this supposed "better way" is.

i like at the end you went "there are better ways" and didnt explain or elaborate further

Alternative title: Robloxian discovers that time is relative and the theory of relativity.

i always knew this was a thing, but i just didn't know how to explain it. and in this video it explains it but also showed me some areas i didn't even know about in this topic, being some ways that developers make hitboxes.

It would be awesome if Roblox were able to render the player's real-time ping information and provide it for game scripts. It would let the developers create their own movement predictions to reduce ghost hits, etc.

I wish more people would understand this

i personally have a generally good amount of experience making game combat mechanics, and i must say that you explained this VERY well. good job

I usually use the touched event method but they dont work out as i intended, such as touched firing way too man times upon touched (i added debounce but it still didnt fix it). But now with modules such as zone plus, it made it more easier for me to detect parts. Anyways great video!

I appreciate how comprehendible your explanation was! Now I know why I stink at sword fighting :/

Adding client sided hitboxes is like asking for your game to get hacked

THANK YOU SO MUCH, You explained everything very well!✨

I always told people that and they never believe me. That's why I can't play fighting games on roblox. Latency is in EVERY multiplayer games, it depends of the server and your internet. As you guessed roblox is the worst server ever, basicly the latency is so big on roblox it will put you atleast 1s in the past. So when you're moving, see yourself 1s in the past or so now you will understand how someone can hit you so far. The best example is playing a JOJO game or a game with a time stop ability, you will jump to avoid being on the ground, you see yourself in the air and think you're safe. Then the opponent start punching the ground where you jumped from and suddenly when the TS end, you get hit by all of his attacks, because for the server you were still on the ground. Conclusion: It'S ANNOYING ASF AND UNPLAYABLE

ngl learned a good chunk of information from this gonna abuse my local rome genre now

Kinda sad that someone had to tell those shitters why it works like that :3

Very informative, I’ve been looking to script a combat system for a while now and info like this is helpful

Good video, I wasn’t expecting you to make a in-depth video about this

Honestly this was an eye opener since I mainly used raycasting or touched event. Never really realized spatial queries exist tbh

in the strongest battlegrounds, side dashing wont move your hitbox effectively, it just has 3 states, instead of being stuck to your body

Very well explained, thanks for elaborating on so many points.

I always knew the reason was lag, but the way this video is formatted, along with the information on how hitboxes are coded was very good However, the part from 4:58 to 6:00 required me to rewatch it a couple of times to understand. I reccomend adding subtitles and/or using visual elements to highlight and emphasize what you are talking about. Overall, I like this video and I wish to see more like this in the future. Maybe you could explain how exploiting works, I'd like to see a video on that.

Combat Warriors needs to take notes

i have fun sometimes with the latency when driving cars. i would drive and swerve in front of others' cars ahead of them while they're driving, and they would get hit hard by me, while i appear untouched/unaffected

Extremely informative video bro, i truly appreciate it

I am not sure why this video is blowing up now, but I do find it very informative and already saved it for latter. Thanks man.

Excellent video, shame you dont have more subs and views

My favorite part of the video is reading the comments and seeing you getting frustrated at people who did not understand the video at all.

Latency is such a huge battle, I would very much be interested in that discussion!

This is amazing, I even learned a bit of scripting knowledge from it, please make more

Update: theres a new method for hitboxes with the release of shapecasting, go check it out for better methods than raycasting! devforum.roblox.com/c/updates/announcements/36 Edit: Thanks to everyone who is coming due to this video blowing up, I knew if I stayed patient, it would eventually blow up.

finally someone explained it good, im sick of people blaming the developers for making big hitboxes when they know nothing about how hitboxes work

as a roblox scripter great job on the vid!! everything was explained in a fair and concise manner and the video was super well structured, felt this video reach my soul as making a pvp system when latency problems like these exist make me explode from inside out (as well as the fact there are multiple dev arguments over whether your game should use raycasting/magnitude/spatial queries for your hitbox system)

your videos are actually so helpful thank you

very well put together explanation on how latency affects gameplay I think a lot of players would get a lot from watching this video…

although as a developer as 5 years, this really annoys me about touched function 1. they sometimes doesn't work due lightspeed of velocity 2. parts touched and bounce back but the touched function doesn't work already i wish they fixed it already

I greatly appreciate the fact you went out of your way to explain the different type of hitboxes and functions in roblox studio too with visual examples as a lot of your information would've been hard to understand without a visual example

i already knew this but this was still a really fun video to watch, underrated.

in roblox i ve seen so many people saying me hacker and saying others hackers because they think they used a exploit for make the range of their weapon bigger but they don't fully understand the hitbox and the thing this video explains

There’s a script on Roblox which fixes hit boxes for everyone, it just teleports everyone a little bit in front based on their ping and when they move and where, also it doesn’t really fix the issue cause… auk why.

you're so underrated, this is a really good video, nice explanation and visuals

What I've been telling the kids who keep saying I'm exploiting since I started playing roblox:

what the hell i was just complaining about this stuff im being watchex

for a first video, this was great!

this is why i usually play much more aggressive when im using melee weaponry

If the hitbox is done on the client wouldn't that make it vulnerable to cheating since the client could "lie" to the server

i figured that player positions had a delay on others' screens

Never knew the server was also behind that is interesting.

This is definitely quite informative on how hitboxes work, both client and server, and you've went through thouroughly to explain everything that you can do to make hitboxes. Maybe next try to mention further about other obscure methods (like HitboxServiceV4, that was mentioned in your criminality melee example?) You've earned a sub from me.

latency is an absolute pain to deal with especially for games like tag and racing games

Thanks for the explanation.

One good idea is to check gun raycasts on the client when the ping is under a certain amount. If the ping is under 100ms, the raycast is on the client, if the ping is over that, it checks on the server.

this really helped me comprehend why do my hitboxes suck in most roblox games, though its sad i cant really do much about my ping

amazing explanation! now i can refer this video to people rather than explain it myself

we need more people like this putting survival of the fittest gameplay in the backround

Massive respect for using Fluidity music ♥️♥️

A bad thing though is that even if you use a ethernet cable and have a really good internet you still can have a high ping because of server localization ,what i mean is servers on other continents example: north american servers and european clients are away from each other which gradually increases ping ,also the localization of the client may be a problem if one is for example: form north america ,one from europe and one from asia. The ping will gradually increase when clients are localizated in other continents.

Yoooo this explaining was so good I thought I was learning how to code lol

Many comments not understanding that almost every one of these games have perfectly fine hitboxes. It's latency that is the problem. In instances where the game doesn't use client side hitboxes and has very fast movement you could almost say they're *too* good because they're too small to cover the extremely high volatility of movement and too small to reliably catch other players unless they linger within its radius for at least a second or two. Which.. isn't happening. The devs did a fine job designing hitboxes, but they did not do a fine job on the netcode. Which is honestly out of their hands to some extent because the limitations of Roblox itself prevent the most elegant solutions from happening. -this is also partially Roblox's fault for not having enough server locations around the world, thus increasing latency for players overall, because they just want to hoard cash instead of investing it into the betterment of the platform-

People complaining about their gaming PC getting 130ms of ping: 😠 My poor excuse for a setup running at 90,000 ping and 0.001 fps: 🔥🙂this is fine🔥

heres smth to do if your bored and want to witness broken hitbox so go to a game called “obby creator” and after you finish the tutorial place a wedge, hollow cylinder, and scroll down until you see this option called “water” now go forward you can also wallhop a hallow cylinder without 2 objects

Thank you for this video! I get so annoyed when people say "these hiboxes" in mm2!!! i can just show them this video

This is the #1 reason why I don't play most PvP games in roblox, the hitboxes on some games are rigged, most of them has ping advantages. For other countries with slower network speed will have a huge disadvantage that the others with fast internet speed from fast networks like a guy in USA playing in USA servers, Versus a guy from asia playing in USA servers. It's unfair, so PvE games are my pick on roblox and not others like arsenal or dahood, or any game that has bad pvp systems that are mostly ping based.

Everytime you say "lag" this what we be referring to

Fantastic video very entertaining and strangely soothing

btw, you can check your ping in performance stats, you can toggle them on in settings, or CTRL+F7

Its kinda insane to me how people cant figure this out themselves it took me like 1 minute of thinking

This is make me rage badly In some game people just hit and kill me without touching me

Interesting, and good explanation.

Usually when someone dies to me and says "Bro these hitboxes suck" or "Bro thats mad sus, prob have range hacks" here is what i say to counter: "Its just ping difference."

when people have to EXPLAIN THAT ROBLOX REPLICATION IS SURPRISINGLY NOT FUCKING PERFECT AND ALMOST EVERY SINGLE KILL ANYONE HAS EVER GOTTEN WITH A HITBOX OF SOME KIND IN ANY GAME IS A TOTALLY BULLSHIT FLUKE. IT'S A MIRACLE YOU DON'T FALL THROUGH FLOORS, PEOPLE.

fps games are ok you respawn fast ig and theyre generally accurate and you dont normally get tooooo mad but MM2 HITBOXES HAVE NO EXCUSE ANYMORE

I always have to explain this to people, it's annoying, like with frog jumping, they take advantage with this, because on the screen of the one doing the glitch, you quickly jump on their head, but the server has it so I jump backwards and stay underneith, yet on my screen I'm on top, as for the other person they're still on top, causing you to constantly go upwards, sorry if I explained it bad