cause they dont want to see their character nerfed

Instead of the art of downplaying, we should normalize the art of not giving a fuck.

Because they spend more time with their character and are able to see their strengths and weaknesses more clearly than others.

It's simple, people downplay their characters because they want to feel validation for the rank they achieve, their egos just work like that.

Marduk gonna make T8 King look honest. we all must prepare

1. Most want to feel like their wins are earned, even though we all have access to the same characters 2. The grass always seems greener on the other side. When you get vortexed by Kaz, for example, we all know it's not easy to play him, but it doesn't matter in the moment 3. It almost always feels bad when you feel weaker post nerf

This is why I dont like tier lists for fighting game characters. I feel like it makes people more likley just to play whats strong instead of what they have fun with.

I main Luke in sf6. You'll never hear me downplay. Lol.

Are you gonna make a Soulcalibur vid in regards to what Harada recently said about it?

People (including me) have a hard time accepting that either they don't know the match up, don't know how to contest or dont know how to execute their character. I play Bryan and is been hard when you have difficult input but I like the maniac so there we are.

I like your honesty fr. Good work bro

Nobody sees the weaknesses of a character more than the people who main them

hey mike, have you checked out bison in sf6 yet?

You could try and filter out sounds beside yours if you have an Nvidia gpu, RTX noise

On the topic of Bison, his win condition / general strategy is definitely going to be strong. Fishing for whiffs / counter hits into bomb set ups is a classic set play strat that many people don’t have the patience to deal with lol (I wanna play him as well)

I dont experience this much tbh in the fighting games im currently playing, i mostly play anime fighters though, but aside from granblue i dont see people complaining much about balance in those games, it seems like its mostly tekken players that downplay characters alot. On another note mike can I ask if you think subzero is downplayed in mk1? Or is he really that bad

I've been maining Azucena. While I am sort of bummed that her running 3-2 got nerfed, it led to her stance moves getting more use.

Lets go, love to see more sf6 from this channel

Too many players imo care about bragging rights more than just using a character they find really fun to play. As you already know I've Stuck to my Team in Tag 2 as I'm a Character Loyalist. Zafina - Main/Point Alisa - Secondary/Anchor Niether of them were considered Top Tier in Tekken 6 and Tag 2 .... but I did not care as I liked their Moveset Animations. I had players Moaning about Zafina's Strength in Tekken 7 and now I have them moaning about Alisa's Strength in Tekken 8 instead. I really don't care as I paid my Taxes in T6 and Tag2 ...... and even if I hadn't I still would not give a Flying Fuck.

its because its much easier to notice your character's faults and much easier to notice the other characters' strengths, like you can't really see how oppressive your character is because you're not on the receiving end, but for the opponent's character? well you can easily see their strength because you are being suppressed by them. so people just take this feeling without questioning it and they don't understand that the reason their character seems worse is simply because its harder to see your own strengths than the enemy's

It's always harder when you're the one playing but we love to blame everything on external factors

I never really downplayed him but I mained Shaheen since day one, back when people were saying how "boring" and basic he was, but I always kept saying he was being slept on. Now since ever since AK beat Arslan Ash with him I've seen complaints about Shaheen go though the roof!

I’m a victim to this I had stop playing Johnny in mk1 when it first came out cuz people was saying he was broken

You been killin it with these tekken topics recently. Mike on that grind

I feel like individual skill & experience lead to downplaying. I play Paul and people always say how strong he is, but when I use him I feel his weaknesses. I don't spam deathfist like other Paul players so I don't have that mix up game going which makes me feel like Paul has no mix up game. I feel like a lot of his strings can be beaten or avoided with 1 option so I don't see the mix up. However, what I try to do is whenever I play against someone who is using a character that I struggle to play I try to apply whatever weakness I think the character has and see how the opponent deals with it. Like if I play Jin and feel like I can't do anything if pressured, I apply as much pressure as I can against a Jin player and see how they deal with it and I learn from them. Would also like to point out that I actually don't think Paul is weak though and honestly don't think he needs buffs.

The guys I spoke with at con were downplaying and uplaying Mainly one guy who was using Bryan was downplaying him and said he’s harder to use than Kazuya He also said that my main (Victor) will definitely carry me through ranked, he still beat me more times than I did him but that’s cause I lack matchup knowledge Side note I’m finally getting my timings right for electrics so I’ll probably have Kazuya and/or Devil Jin under my belt in the near future

It's something that changes from player to player. Much like you, I'm fond of Soul Calibur. Siegfried's always been my main, but I'm aware that I play him in a manner, and to those more familiar with competitive, I'm easy to counter than, let's say, a player in the Level of Kayane or yours back in your competitive days. Likewise, I jugde myself a embodiment of scrubiness in usage of Algol, whereas you would made light work with it. In current SF6, I'm aware that JP is strong, and remain using him once in a while out of attachment to this new villain in the SF Mythos, regardless of people claiming he carries me or not.

in reality most people don’t downplay their mains, but instead rate them off of how good they are at their respective rank which is usually a low / intermediate level. tier lists, buffs, and nerfs really only matter *most* of the time at the highest level. the easy execution of characters is what lower rank players consider as good characters. for example, you have to work way harder to learn to cheese with anti-tekken yoshi or xiaoyu and most low ranks are not specialists. in contrary spamming can opener with nina or 4 1 2 with jin at low rank is viable and cheesy at low rank

Happens with me and Johnny Cage in MK1. I’ve played at least a thousand matches with him and he’s strong, but not the best in the game. He’s really reliant on his Kameo for massive damage, despite how safe he is, it’s partially because most characters can just zone him out, which isn’t fun. There’s also the added part of learning his hype, which is hard to utilize. Admittedly, he’s arguably the easiest character to learn, but he’s got nothing when it comes to people who keep zoning him out.

Is FightingGM downplaying speakingabout the D33 nerf is overnerfed?

hard to pin point yoshi in this topic, on one hand he's really fun to play, on the other hand he's very difficult to master at the same time

I know I'm playing into the downplay/uplay thing, but Steve's gameplan is very hard to run. He doesn't have kicks so that should tell you right there how hard it is. His lows aren't scary which make you resort to high and mid jab pressure or finding counter hits. Don't even get me started on stance cancels

My main in T7 is Fahkumram. He is a DLC meaning you thos characters on default very strong, to some degree OP. I addition, with those characters you have the big (informarion) advantage since players who are not willing to pay for DLC can't find a solid counterplay. I acvept that be because I am not willing ro pay for Eddy. In most cases I lose at Tekken King rank against him. But characters like Jin, as story hero, has the privileg of not being nerfed for the new audience.

It’s only really the S Tier characters like Feng, Dragunov, Nina, Shaheen, Law, Alisa, Yoshi, Jin, Lili, King, and Xiaoyu who we ought never downplay. Those characters deserve nothing but the utmost disrespect, and the biggest nerfs. Everyone else is fine.

Whats gunny is that TMM A+ list is crushing TWT in comparison to the S tiers

9:20 the drive rush mechanic broke the whole game universally imo

@Mike hollow anime recomendations: 1. Ikki tousen (ecchi/fighting/shonen) 2. Claymore (medival/gore/supernatural) 3. Breakblade (drama/mech/military) 4. Elfenlied (drama/psychological/gore) 5. The legend of the legendary hero (fantasy/drama/supernatural) 6. Vampire Knight (Vampire/romantic/thriller/supernatural) 7. X-the movie (scifi/gore/drama) 8. Blade of the Immortal (samurai/historical) 9. Code Geas (Drama/scifi) 10. Highschool DXD (comedy/harem/ecchi/supernatural) i mentioned no obvious stuff you might already know like berserk 1997 (best anime ever) dbz ect...just a few of my alltime favourites

To sort if steel man. Anyones main since they play them enough will eventually see correct counterplay towards their main. People who dont main seeing mosty only how they would counterplay in their own games can lead to a disconnect.

What is the backround music in this video I recognise it from somewhere but forgot the name

I absolutely love (not sarcastic btw) that you accept that people's personal psycology play realy huge role in what they say and what they do. Too many people ignore that and put its reasoning on external sourses

I wouldn’t say anybody surrounding fighting games has a big ego at all because every single one of them back down when I suggest there be a tournament with a virtual match and a live match going on simultaneously like when we were kids and the objective is to win both of them. If you’re winning, you reach over, take the other persons controller away and attempt to submit them in real life. If you are losing, you take away the persons controller and attempt to submit them in real life. Once you gain the upper hand in the real match, you go back and win the fight on screen or at least before they can get back to their controller. if the goal is to have eyeballs on a video game tournament, that would be far more entertaining with a lot more variables.

feng is my main, tekken 7 season 2 was already good for me then season 3 he gets a wall carry somehow felt unnecessary since he is already a well rounded character lol, then in tekken 8 he got the b3 now making it more easy tbh it might be better if his b3 can have a change in input, i play dragunov casually right now even with nerfs he is still strong and easy cheese because of the sneak 4 and you can cancel it then spam it again or go to fc1,4 then sneak 4 again if they sidestep do different attack

Marduk isn’t too much of a problem if you’re patient and play really compact His big tekken game is always a threat and super dangerous but playing very compact aggression in his face he’ll usually crumble. He’s strong but not without his glaring exploitable flaws

Mishimas get downplayed,jin and Lars included. There's no such thing as nerfing a Mishima,they've always been programmed to be the best characters.

I up play kazuya he is an A+ now almost as good as reyna, The thing is there are no bad characters the game is very well balanced. since the side defence update, Reyna still has infinite pressure in neutral but that fine she is hard to use

I don’t downplay my character Jin, but instead I point out the flaws, most people want buffs and shit, I just want people to realize Jin isn’t overpowered because he was played by a few pros in the recent tourneys. As for the kazuya complainers, kazuya was in DESPERATE NEED of a buff , now he’s just as strong as every other character.

i main jin and i definitly feel what you're saying. when ppl say 'hes braindead, spam ff2, d2, 124 yaddayadda' it devalue's the work one puts in. but then again, if you lost to a d2 spamming jin you're probably not that good to begin with :D

I know whoever was using Jin at the beginning of your video was more than pissed😂😂😂😭😭

Another banger.

That's why old fighting games are better. Everyone knows that the game won't get updated so we upplay our characters. Tier lists be damned, my supposed mid tier is actually the best character in the game!

Only character I never give crap is Bryan because he does not use gimmicks that are very obvious. Unreactable Hellsweep from any Mishima WR2 from Dragunov with his massive plus frame game plan, hell even my main Alisa has massive gimmicks but Bryan just plays straight up standard fighting game almost completely even with his counter hit archetype. I think that is why people can get so annoyed because they feel the powerful if not stupid gimmick a character has gave them the win and they did not play "Fair Tekken" in their mind. Sadly this will be forever a common topic brought up of people getting upset from any character and it's because every character is different and balance is not 100% equal and it never will be unless you play mirror match only.

I wanna be the very best, like Mike Hollow never was! To catch them is my real test, to train them is my cause. Pokémon! Gotta catch ‘em! It’s so shambolic! Feng Wei I choose you!!

1:45 yes Dan is my man in SF5 for a reason, feels the best to win as him lol

My take is simple but I think peoples mains weaknesses stand out to them more than their characters strengths because it's what they have to deal with often when they lose. I play Hwoarang and I have to resist the mentality that he is ass because his approach in neutral is not good because its linear or to simple or that he has weak to no defensive options. Because often these are the reasons I lose and watching high level players also feeds into this when I see Edge blocking for his life and struggling to get in. In reality once I'm in, I'm in and its my game. Thats balance, I just don't like how its balanced but that doesn't make Hwoarang a weak character its something I as the player have to work around so I can do the thing and win. Thats how I've coped

I am mostly from the MK community I'm new to tekken and so far I've notices how this is the only ones from the fgc that make an extra effort to downplay their mains makes no sense i always respect how Mike doesn't shy away from saying the truth about feng and that's ok. Just go have fun with who ever you like in any fighting game regardless of being top tier or not

As a reina main i can say that shes one of the few characters where you wont be in a full combo is she touches you ONE TIME unlike the majority of the cast.

As for why people downplay their main, i think it has something to do with loss aversion. It hurts more losing their rank then it would winning it, therefore it would make sense for people to be averse to losing. With that in mind, people with loss aversion hurt so bad that they have to rationalize why they lost, and they shout and point to something that takes the pain of a loss away. This i argue is where people downplay their main in order to explain away why they lost so they dont have to "git gud".

The word downplay implies lying about what you say but I genuinely think that most people actually believe what they are saying about their characters

Good afternoon

Winning with Jigglypuff in SSB64 was really fun

Bison is a monster and I love every second of it.

As an eddy main i think he's in the middle not weak but not overpowered

(Leo main) I don’t think he’s that good no down play this my first tekken I started playing wit victory then jun now Leo, pretty much the difference from playing on them two vs Leo I have nothing to abuse wit him I have to be fundamentaly sound the whole game

I think that its not just ego but fear. If they get their character up played then nerfs are in bound and no body likes nefrs. ss gokus legs got crippled for like 3 years Sean in thd strike was butchered due to lore reasons Bayonetta was "rebalance" .... she needed it Thr gave wolverine a new move in umvc3 to stop his mashing (needs citation). Sentinel lost i think 300k health in a few weeks. He went down from the most health to 900k... 930k...below average On the other hand if a charcater gets down played buffs might come Kurilins rocks are ridiculous now Goku black got some cool stuff 17 and vegito who weren't bad got much better as the game went on. Dldr: down play to get buffs up plays get nerfed, does it actually work idk

#1 King downplayer here. While character strength shouldn't stop you from playing a character and you shouldn't care about people talking shit about your character, I've noticed that in T8 specifically, players are more bitchmade than ever and uncritical evaluations of characters may fuel this lame environment we are in. This game is the most balanced Tekken has ever been but people will not rematch you or plug because they heard your character was strong on social media. I think this is the main reason people are downplaying. Talking shit is fine but currently you have people constantly ducking characters in ranked and casual because of character perception. People shouldn't be comfortable saying "I never rematch King" without everyone in the community calling them a b*tch loser, coward etc. The difference in strength between characters in this game is not like older games at all but people are pretending like some characters are T7 Leroy or T7 Fakumram levels of strength from the way they talk about them. That shit gets frustrating.

Like Tom said "Annoying is the new broken"

Hah, couldn't be me. I used to play Geese in Tekken 7 fam. Yes, learning that was fucking masochistic. But you know what? it was the coolest time of my life. Now I play Yoshimitsu in 8, I tried him in 7, bro, the level of buff this character got, is off of the moon. But the thing about Yoshi, is he's fucking broken bro. He's so busted. It's disgusting, comparing to how hard opening someone up on Geese was, I just run up and do unblockables with Yoshimitsu, which opens them up like crazy, and a hop kick launcher? Bro, it's like playing on tutorial mode after T7, I get to instant launch punish any low, It just picks up from such range, its slightly high evasive. it's a Joke mate. Lili players and any hop kick launcher character is giga carried, that move is so stupid that it drained any level of seriousness I had about the game. Don't get me wrong, chip damage + heat, is the ultimate cheap thing about yoshi, Because he has so many stance transitions, all of his movements look smooth? so I have several ways to just knowledge check you, where even if you block, you're losing health, until I finally open you up again and you couldn't even notice losing 70% in that madness. The parry? Cracked. All of the stances? Cracked, Indian stance was kind of bad, but now I read they buffed it??? Why lmao, namco was like, yo this stance is under utilized in the tornado that Yoshi is, so buff it. Wilding. Dunno, your title made me rant instantly, but for real, I love ranting about yoshimitsu, he's the most fun I ever had in the game, he's not as satisfying as geese, but its a different vibe, dominating on Geese felt like being a main villain, dominating on yoshimitsu feels like leading a circus, especially when my friends are watching. I should go for some more Tekken 8, but honestly? too many games to play. Just got done tuesday/wednesday with Shadow of the erdtree which was phenomenal, and in that time I missed that SMT V Vengeance came out, so it's time for that.

I definitely think people purposely downplay to appear more skilled without admitting that the character they are using has really good tools. I also think people do it so they can convince devs to give them free buffs even if they don’t really need them. And when you get destroyed by a player who just may be more skilled/experienced than you I think people want to justify their losses by saying that the other person is carried or that there was no way they could’ve dealt with whatever caused them to lose to begin with.

I have never down played Azucena I knew she was ridiculous and I advocated for her nerfs to an extent I agreed with most of the changes until they made her stance better then I was ok with the loss of tracking on a few of her moves but tbh I never cared if my character gets nerfed I played 2 thousand hours of Lei wulong I could care less about it until it's just pointless unjust nerfs but then again I try not to hold biased opinions and I can't wait for marduk and armor king hopefully they are season 2 it would be insane if they weren't in T8

I don't believe I'm down playing my main at all. Nina Williams is pretty much the same character she was in Tekken 7, and she was low to mid-tier at best in that game. Actually, she's been nerfed in some instances. For example, her d3,2 can no longer be used to stop people from ducking the 2nd hit of her d3,4,3 string, because it does minimal damage and doesn't launch anymore. Her magic 4 also isn't as dangerous as it used to be, her evil mist no longer guard breaks, etc. However, for unknown reasons, people are all of a sudden saying she's one of the best characters in Tekken 8. In Tekken 7 a lot of people, mostly casual players, watched TMM's STUPID videos about Nina, and they all of a sudden started saying she's the easiest character in the game to win with. Those videos were a lie. Anyway, let me not go off on a tangent. The point is, from what I can see, the same thing that happened in Tekken 7 is happening in Tekken 8. A lot of people haven't really labbed Nina that well, so when they come across a Nina player, they get hit by a lot of shit they shouldn't get hit by, or they fail to defend properly. Then all of a sudden, "Nina is S tier!" Lol. Meanwhile, there's like nothing that would actually make her S tier in comparison to characters like Paul, Bryan, Jin, Devil Jin, Jack, King, Hwoarang, etc. Those characters are legit cheap with endless plus frames, safe launchers that fall within the plus frames, guard breaks, psycho crushers that travel all the way across the screen and put them at plus frames, the ability to fly and avoid getting hit, unfair gameplay when they have you up against the wall, etc. Nina has none of that. She's still very much one of the more difficult characters to win with, IF she's going up against someone who can defend her properly. So, to me, it sounds crazy to say she's S tier. Every time I see my opponent is Nina, I get happy. It's an easy win for me. Most Nina players play like garbage, even high ranking ones. They constantly do things like df3,2; uf4,3,4; ss4,2; slide kicks; power crushes, etc. All of those things are extremely punishable.

I love losing. ESPECIALLY when the other guy is a total dick about it. Greatest thing ever 👍 Edit: lol, sorry. Not aimed at anyone here.

Because Lee Chaolan is hard ASF to master and people who say he's broken are annoying

Im a Bryan main, and i dont think the character is weak at all. He is just difficult, but not execution tbh, combos r not that hard. Its the gameplan. Execution other then taunt is kind of overrated for me. U dont need qcf knees to hurt with combos. But he is very strong if u can make him work. Especially 3+4,2 at the wall won me countless rounds with Bryan.

i downplay steve cause if i avatar spin 2 at the wall and swing at air. steve need bug fixes but other than bugs hes strong

Fighting games are purely about overcoming a challenge. I will be a character loyalist no matter what. Azucena when she was top 3. Azucena now that she's bottom 7-ish. We're all out here playing for ranked points and if you really wanted to play for money you'll just play a top tier anyway.

You what you downplayed ? The power of FaceCam. (Idk what you play just don’t lag switch or cheat I can take the loss, kinda.)

People play and like to troll/deceive in general these days. That's why. That's part of society at this point. People downplay/upplay and cap about all kindsa shit "stellar blade is what people wanna see from women in games" when the chick look like a whole weeb wet dream, "western devs can't design women" when it's plenty generally attractive women in these games, but people will pick the worst examples as a reflection of the whole thing. It's the wave to troll behind bullshit; whilst knowing better. Bringing it back to the topic, like Ken players KNOW Ken is better than say....Jamie, but they don't wanna seem carried, or admit that they don't wanna work as hard for shit. It's fun to bullshit. That's why people downplay their characters/upplay other characters.

Downplay to not get your main nerfed. Unfortunately not all is true, lot of hypocrisy between people, and the devs who listen to twitter complaints. When ppl don’t lab shit and just complain, it can kill a character. I personally say don’t make characters too complex ffs. People wanna play and not spend too much time labbing, or going through 100 moves just for one character and 4 different stances. That shit feels like too much homework. Games are to relax, and not be too much of a chore.

I can give an idea on why they do. Most of the time it might be because either the person is bad or they don’t want to appear carried

I never downplay my main. Jin is broken and yall can hold that idgaf. Folks honestly just need to be unapologetic about who they play. Like I'm learning how to play Lars right now... I don't give NO fks about how other players see him.... SIMPLE. I've gotten to a point in my life where if I constantly continue to cry about what other players characters are doing and I don't lab the counters to said characters its a skill issue on my end point blank.

Because they lose all the time and know their weaknesses.

It is 100% because they don't want their wins to be undermined. Nobody wants to be seen as someone who needs their character to carry them.

Some folks downplay their main because they only look critically at the weaknesses of the character.

I'm a Leo main in T8, we never downplay cause nobody listens to us anyway lol

People downplay their characters for the same reason Jon jones would party every night during training leading up to a fight. To have an excuse when they lose

well it's either because they clearly know the weaknesses of their characters so they think their character is weaker than others, or they just carried and are afraid of nerfs

Like main man then cries for nerfs for every other character that’s gives him trouble smh

Nah but like king is busted, I hate it. Also I play Steve, I saw steve win in big tournaments, at this point I have no excuses, but like most people are whompa lompa losers so like yea.

I don't downplay nor uplay any character. Rangchu already proved tier lists mean nothing.

Kazuya mains come to mind

Downplayer/uplayer yada yada.... all of these are just reactionary labels people hand out like its charity. Fact is people usually come to their conclusions based on their 1st and 2nd hand experiences unless they are straight up lying which should be easy to identify. Assuming that everyone has an agenda to uplay or downplay is close-minded to say the least unless said agaenda has been proven. When it comes to tiering a character, people can go into the game and play as that character or lab that character to accumlate as much info as possible. However how much of a positive/negative impact the characters playstyle will leave on each individulal will be different. Why? Because we all have different needs!! Therefore our likes and dislikes will be varied. No matter how hard you try to be objective when the thing in question personally affects you, subjectivity will always kick in no matter what. Just enjoy the game and be grateful others enjoy playing against you when it happens 😂

I play law. Law is strong af. Not the strongest but very strong none the less

It’s simple. If you win it’s skill If you lose it’s because your character is bad

its not downplaying if its the truth

Simple they know hardships of playing their characters.

Hwoawang mains annoy tf out me. Acting like a little nerf is the end of the world.

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No matter what character you play you are carried. So just stop worrying abt these and just play

I respect your take, but I disagree. If you're flocking to high tiers because they are high tier, then that is a pattern I'm gonna notice and call out. It does not mean you're bad, or that you should switch characters. I just find your choices to be lacking in taste. That said, enjoy the game in your own way, despite what I or people like me might think. Cheers!

I don’t mind character nerfs because Dante in mvc3 was strong but in mvci is the worse character in the game But im a victor main bc he’s fun and has terrible whiff moves like Dante so ya 🧍‍♂️