That's because he's not a "good guy" but rather an anti-hero and borderline villain willing to manipulate an entire religion group made of millions into taking up arms against the greedy, elitists and dehumanized "aristocracy" of the Dune universe to avenge his family's destruction and kickstart a new Era able to end the decadence which has plagued Humanity since the discovery of the spice melange.

It's such a powerful subversion

@@Jess_of_the_Shire 'Pageturners' by Pat Mills addresses the issues that Mills has with superheroes if you're at all interested.

I can kinda see why Tolkien wasn't too fond of it

I was so relieved when I picked up Messiah and realized, okay, cool, I'm not crazy, he really IS a monster, that was intentional on Herbert's part. I guess people smarter than me picked up on that from the first book alone but I still wasn't sure about it.

Yea. It's been a while since I've read the books, but I don't think that this line is there. It was so chilling! I can't stop thinking about it, especially because I know what happens next.

It’s not, I’ve read Dune a few times. That’s a new addition but it absolutely works.

I really really liked that!! Pretty sure it wasn’t in the novel

Timothee gave a subtle sigh when he delivered this line

So did the fremen literally just jack the spaceships left by the emperor and harkonnen without issues to then fly them into space? That kinda surprised me and made me laugh that it came so effortlessly to them

whats up with Duncan n shite?

@@lavatr8322 MASSIVE SPOILERS: . . . After Paul becomes emperor, factions are trying to assassinate him. One of them clones Duncan Idaho (Jason Momoa from the new movies) and gives Paul the clone, called a "ghola", as a gift, but they program it to assassinate him when triggered. Paul knows it's a trap but is tempted to see his old friend again. In the much farther future, when Paul's son Leto II transforms into a sandworm and becomes the God Emperor, he has this same faction continue cloning Duncan Idaho for thousands of years. It's become something of a meme from the novel God Emperor of Dune, the line "Moneo, bring me another Duncan." I haven't read the later books yet, but I understand he still gets cloned again in later novels.

Yeah that was the only thing that confused me when I was learning about the series 😂

It's also in a special place for me it's called garbage.

​@@KyleCox404kk

@@KyleCox404 So what you are saying is your heart is garbage? Figures...

@@wearegeek My garbage is on the floor, and your brain also seems to belong there, beacose you can't think.

​@@KyleCox404 that's a good way to make people who already don't like dune.. interested in Dune. But hey speaking for myself here, thanks for having such a toxic and completely unsubstantiated view

That's my favorite thing to watch. There are complaints you can have about Dune, but you can't say it doesn't subvert tropes haha

Remember when Mapes realized Jessica was the one they were waiting for? She said to herself (paraphrasing), "Poor thing." I can't remember if the movie had that detail in it.

It's like yelling "Yeah! Go Anakin go!"

It will be "The last jedi" all over again.

@@Jess_of_the_ShireI'm more worried about the people who will see the third one and -still- yell, "Yeah, go Paul!"

@@markvictor8776 The Fremen were a _culture_ before Paul morphed them into a cult.

It's also The LIfe of Brian in space

@@SonofSethoitae a culture shaped by the BG though.

@@hengineer I didn't say they weren't. Just that there's a difference between being strictly religious and being a fanatical cult.

​@@hengineerin a world of prescience who's to say what shaped what? Time is not linear in dune and in order for the prophecy to be true the B.G had to have foreseen the events as they happened in clarity And it came true, exactly as they were told, and Paul is the Kiszwat haderach, he is the B.G breeding program Messiah, he is in many ways exactly what he says he is The fremen are right, and much of this to me was foreseen in the past through the limit prescience spice can give, you can say that it doesn't mean anything but in my opinion Paul is the Messiah and everything they believed was proven right What they did afterwards however is the sins of the people of arrakis

This is awesome. Solid comment.

Happy that you're well!

Thank you both!

As it was written! 😌

❤

"Dad I'm 12 and what is an adult beefswelling?"

@@ULTRAOutdoorsman not a question I ever asked, and I’ll bet if I had his answer wouldn’t have been what your thinking of.

​@@danielriley7380 dunno what that is in anyway whatsoever and I think I'm good not knowing or caring but I am glad yall are some of the good KZfaq comments that aren't, "dune is garbage," from people who haven't read it. These people are the worst

This is something I try to achieve in my own writing. I’m not sure I’m as good at it as Tolkien or Herbert though

I would like to add an important book that many don't read because it is so hard to find and also because how of old it is. Journey to the west it's in the eyes of many, like the angular stone for these 2 stories and many more, many who read it can see how much it influenced both the fantasy and science fiction genres, but mainly fantasy. Heck many say that if Tolkien didn't change somethings from his books, and if you had read journey to the west, it would seem he was copying the whole story of journey to west but in a different scenario. Hopefully that wasn't the case, but I highly recommend reading this too see how influential was for both books.

Check out Malazan if that's a feature of storytelling you like. There's nothing else quite like it.

Tolkien spent a lot of time explaining the details by means that were beyond the texts of the story's though.

This is also true of The Chronicles of Narnia books.

I drew a sandworm as Spurdo Spärde on a whiteboard with the accompanying prayer in Spurdo-speak while studying for my college finals. I'm proud of that drawing

@@Leitis_Fella I'd love to have seen it.

The Bene Gesserit would be proud. Their Missionaria Protectiva went viral in the best and worst sense.

​@@Leitis_Fella "Bless dhe Mager and his wader Bless dhe goming and going of him May his bassage gleanse dhe world May he geep dhe world for his beoble"

@@fallinginthed33p and their own breeding plan would lead to mankind being freed from them and their prescience 🤣

So true.

Yeah, Jess's makeup and outfit are always good, but they are extra good in this video!

Martyrs live forever

As written

3) ADDAM RESSHI A-ZANTHA!!

What a cool babysitter!

Babysitter: it's bedtime Also babysitter: get comfortable for the next 8 hours as I read Dune 😂

Dune as a child's bedtime story is WILD. 😂

These are my parenting goals. I already sing Tolkien lullabies to my 2.5 year old

@@timpage9424 Even the Lord of the Rings is a bit much for kids, I think. But, Dune...? Lol!

The prose really manages to drop you in, even if it is a bit clunky at times. For me, it only adds to the charm!

What about book 4?

@@orangemonkey500P2 Book 4 is excellent.

God Emperor went pretty far in the Herberty-weird direction that I needed a break. However, it had a few scenes and lines of dialogue that made me laugh out loud. I also heard that Frank got progressively hornier as the series progressed, which I saw in God Emperor. I just didn't grasp it as well as the previous books

@@Jess_of_the_Shire Outside of some iffy dialogue here and there I can't really recall having any issues with the prose.

Sting was such a great Feyd-Rautha. The madness was just below the surface but always in the eyes and I love his flamboyance in the finale.

@@LordVolkov I loved all the Harkonens in that movie. They acted malice/evil/cruel/madness perfectly.

That movie takes a lot of flak, but it's pretty good for a Dino DiLaurentiis production of an Alan Smithee film. And I think it's pretty close to the book.

Thank communism, social democracy, unions and the progressive era

Sting's 'flying underpants'!

Lead them to paradise!

You know now that it is your duty to name your child Duncan. Especially if it's a girl.

Even the Fremen think Alia is creepy because she has the mannerisms and speech of a grown woman in a child's body, in addition to all the powers of a reverend mother - including the weirding way

@@LordVolkov More than that, she became an object of fear and superstition to the Fremen. When she took up the regency on Arrakis she gained enemies among the Fremen who called her 'Coan-Teen', the female death-spirit that walks without feet.

​@@goyasolidar I've noticed that a lot of characters similar to alia have been showing up in the last decade

@@TheMarkmcrSuch as?

@@goyasolidar afraid I'm not able to answer that if I can't include video links

Paul was unable to escape the fate he saw ahead of him, despite seeing a slight chance of a way out. Circumstance and betrayal put him beyond beyond their reach, not anything of his own doing. Had he been born under their control, he'd probably have stayed there just as surely as he was unable to escape the fate that claimed him.

How did they control anyone? Grooming!

@@chrisrubin6445 She talked about designing religions. I'd call that grooming times a trillion. They also had other ways to control people.

Then along comes God Emperor of Dune: “That whole kwisatz haderach thing set in motion a series of events that could cause the extinction of humanity. Woopsie doodle!”

@@craigvdodge I'd call that a spoiler since she didn't talk about that book.

Have you tried the audio books? really good.

Are the books as slow and boring as the movies?

@@samuraijosh1595 Much slower. It's not really an action story. More of a space drama.

@@anthonyhowrard526 I have some of them on audio for when I'm driving. Really have to pay attention because it's easy to miss something if you start day dreaming. 😏

@@Shane-zl9ry I`m in a day dream all the time lol! I use the audiobookbay Do you like them? every time I read or listen i pick up or understand so much. I read it in my early teens and the depth when I came back to years latter blew me away.

I agree with JRR tolkien, dune is philosophically pretentious.

@@grosbeak6130 I mean thats fair, at the end of the day its your opinion, but it tries to say something, I like lord of the rings as well, i like all sorts of stories. Granted I kinda gravitated towards more of the darker/deconstructions etc. I guess in a way they were trying to do different things, LOTR was trying to be escapism and tell a good story and fill people with hope. Dune tries to tell a story about people and how looking for a Messiah can cause issues. I am glad both exist and while it is unfortunate that JRR Tolkien did not like Dune, i do respect that he did not publicly throw it in the mud, because he did not want to ruin someones carrier. Very respectable man. But yeah I never actually read the book and i struggled too, but it really does have some cool ideas in my opinion, it really has some interesting philosophy to it while LOTR is just "bad people be bad, ultimate power corrupts, evil urukhai be evil" They both do kinda have some stuff with the ecological i guess funnily enough, LOTR with the trees and Dune with the well sand and environment and stuff.

@@tdotitan8855 did Frodo at the end overcome the power of the ring or did he give in to it at the end at Mount Doom? If it wasn't for Gollum would the ring have not been thrown into Mount Doom. Was frodo successful in his mission? No, he wasn't. There is more to JRR Tolkien than many people realize.

​@@grosbeak6130tolkien believed in the divine right of kings, though. so not a great source of inspiration in that regard. there's a reason nazis love LotR but not Dune.

@@armorclasshero2103 Nazis also liked the philosopher Frederick Nietzsche, that doesn't really mean anything. And JRR Tolkien clearly didn't care for the Nazi regime. Tolkien fought in world war I and his son in world war II.

Just wait 'til you've read the 6 books Frank wrote...

Check out the comments in the Ring of Power trailers and come back

​@@Peecamarkethat series deserves it

Ask LOTR book fans what they think about the LOTR movies and you won't think they're so peaceful.

There's not a single fandom that has NOT toxic elements once the community gets to a certain size, since the higher the number, the more likely it is for toxic people to appear, and it isn't long before that likelihood reaches 100%. If you think "Dune" and LotR don't have toxicity, you either have been to very small, isolated groups inside the overall community, or you weren't paying attention.

@@XanderVJ Well thank god i'm not part of them, i bet their daily life crippling with depression amirite?

Hope you enjoyed it! I had a ton of fun.

@@Jess_of_the_Shire I have to see it next Saturday because local screening have been selling out like crazy!

The 2000 miniseries is still the most book accurate 😅 I feel like it accomplished more in 4.5 hours than Denis did with 5+

It's more a reconstruction of Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" tbh.

⁠@@KnjazNazrathjust the plot. The lore, setting, characters and themes are HEAVILY borrowed from Dune.

Star Wars is Dune reworked for 1970s teens and lower brow audiences. Howard the Duck is George Lucas unchained lol

What amazes me now is how bad SW would/could have been...as Alec Guiness famously wrote in a letter. Lucas' wife took ALL that footage, and used the same myth rules that Dune/Kurosawa used, and turned it into the epic that ep IV was...and Phantom Menace wasn't. I see much more Dune dry politics and messianic imagery in Phantom, but point well made about Luke as "desert boy whose parents weren't who he thought has unknown powers takes on emperor in space".

OMG...the Butlerian Jihad and the Star Wars anti-droid laws are just flat obvious theft. Argument withdrawn.

Alas I have less poetic associations with Pink Floyd's masterpiece. Instead I see Dorothy falling off a fence in Kansas. Have you watched the Dark Side of the Rainbow. Start "The Wizard of Oz" movie and stop at the third MGM lion roar. Then play it using "Dark Side of the Moon" as the soundtrack for really bizarre experience. Not saying that you won't still smell the spice but you will do it while watching the Scarecrow dance.

Ur so original

Oh please... Listen to some actual good prog rock like Close to the Edge by Yes and have ur virgin mine blown

Who tf listens to music with lyrics when reading

I did something similar reading the Amber books while listening to Road to Utopia by Todd Rungren

There is nothing he has been in that hasn't been improved by his being in it.

@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Exactly!

I love how young Patrick Stewart looks exactly the same as X Men era Patrick Stewart

@@NTWoo95 Well, that's because Patrick Stewart was 44 years old in 1984. Not an old man, sure. But not a young man either.

That's important to say. The first 'half' of the film is reasonably coherent, the acting generally good. I actually like some aspects better than the recent film, in particular how Yueh's betrayal is handled. But then the last part is horribly rushed, compacting into 30 minutes what Lynch probably would have spent an hour to an hour an a half on. Consequently nothing seems earned, Jessica disappears from the story, Chani and Paul's relationship is crazily fast-forwarded, and its not clear how he becomes this leader that millions are prepared to follow. Then we have a climatic battle, ironically wasting time as each character takes a potshot at the enemy. Lynch must have been furious, hence his complete disavowal. But the weird aspects were always going to be a feature with him as the director. I don't think they are necessarily detrimental. There is a serious narrative going on, amidst the campy weirdness/fun, as often happens in Lynch films (Blue Velvet, for example). Dune is still a cult movie for many, (including me) and it could've been a so much better one.

I knew I'd have to put it out today haha

Dune part 1 and Dune part 2 How great of movie titles...

I just watched S.01 and 02 of The Wheel of Time. Moraine and the Aes Sedai hooked me. I'm kind of troubled by how much will it remain in the spirit of the books, though I haven read them - but of course more deviation will likely mean less quality. The concept of what is the wheel of time, their understanding of the world, seems off. That's a downside for me so far. I don't know if it will become more logical. Disclaimer. I do not believe in reincarnation but I have no problem with it in stories if it can fit and not just seem a wacky concept that won't hold water. I am excited, and worried, as I learn more of the story, will it further evolve and keep, or increase, quality, I.e. be with those other 2 that you mentioned, or will it become lesser. I don't see it yet worthy of being spoken of in the same sentence with LoTR, or even Dune. So, you're saying I should have hope...

First, the tv show is alright but as with 99% of books the book is by far the better medium. The level of politics, social organization, past history, religion, gender roles, magic system places the level of depth on par with Tolkien and Herbert. I don't say that lightly. I have somewhere around 4,000 books under my belt. Many of those are fantasy/sci-fi and I would be hard pressed to find another author besides Jordan who can compete with the other two legends. For instance, Terry Brook's Shanara is a wonderful read but the world does not feel as real as the above three. I'm not putting Brooks down (I treasure my autographed copies of Shanara) but his level of complexities doesn't approach the above authors. Harry Turtledove comes close, but he is working with alternate history which gives him some advantages. My placing Jordan on this high level is my opinion and not necessarily supported by a larger community. Now to address the wheel mechanism presented By Jordan. Yes, reincarnation does play a role and indeed one of the most intriguing methods of utilizing it that I have seen in fiction. By the way, reincarnation also plays a role in Dune and to lesser degree LOTR (the elves who have dies will eventually return to the world). But the wheel mechanism in Wheel of Time encapsulates more than just reincarnation. What has happened will repeat in some far distant time. When scientist debate the infinity of the universe/multiverse this concept arises in their scientific writings. If time is infinite eventually everything will repeat. "Eternal return (or eternal recurrence) is a philosophical concept of predeterminism which hypothesizes that all events in the world repeat themselves in the same sequence through an eternal series of cycles." "Fairly Recent advances in High Energy and Quantum Physics have also proposed cosmological models in which the universe undergoes an endless sequence of cosmic epochs each beginning with a bang and ending in a crunch." from Wikipedia "Eternal Return" article.@Jadeite12

Thanks for your inputs. My problem with the wheel of time mechanism, as seen in the show, is how some view it as having a will, or having the concept of good and bad, when as in the show it just seems impartial, soulless so to say. So if Aes Saedai are such fans of the wheel, why serve? The wheel wants nothing, expects nothing, it just spins - I do think Moraine said something along those lines, but generally, normal folk seem to view the wheel as tied to something with will. It's not like LoTR where everything does seem as a reproduction of the Christian view of the world, well, as least as I, and apparently Tolkien, see what the Bible teaches as a whole view of the world. @@williamwhalen746

One more question please, a spoiler that I do want to find out. Does Tar Valon ever get destroyed/breached? Thank you. @@williamwhalen746

WOT is a blatant rip off of the other 2- with much worse writing and a corporal punishment fetish. Not to mention the ENDLESSNESS of it and the bad effect it had/has on GRRM...

I'm so glad you're enjoying my branching-out! It's an absolute joy

Many machines on Ix.

"It's not a computer, its uh, a """Navigation Calculator""", you guys"- All of Ix

Yep, watch it, even if you just like brilliant james mcavoy , who would made such a good god emporer. Te cast is great as well, and it focuses on the dialogue pretty organic , and mcavoy so good. alias madness is great as well and its great. If only they made the god emporer mcavoi had the chops to really do well.

​@@marocat4749agreed. It's really quite good

​@@marocat4749The thought of McAvoy's face on a giant worm body 🤣🤣🤣

I'm so glad I inspired a re-read! These books really only get better on second, third, or fourth reads.

I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! Making videos like this one always makes me re-fall in love with these stories, so I'm glad to hear it had that effect on you! I hope you enjoy the books if you get to them.

Same here. The water recycling was off-putting for me. I didn't finish the first book.

My brother has been telling me about Dune for years, I’ve just never found the time to sit down and read it. I think now after having seen the movies I will have to remedy that situation.

Supah choices!

Or, more obviously - The Lady Jessica

Feel better now?

I think she is very beautifull, but honestly that has nothing to do with why I like her channel. I like her channel.because she is increadibly dedicated to making in depth analysis of LotR and Dune. She is so intelligent and well spoken there's no channel as good as hers covering tolkien except for maybe NerdoftheRings, but her work is different it's more passionate.

@@grosbeak6130 well, engagement boosts the video in the algorithm. So yes, I do 🥳😂

@@dementiasorrow yeah, 100%. I subbed to her channel after watching her review the Amazon LOTR documentary, and she got all fired up about them saying Frodo failed in his quest. I just think she looks very nice in this video, so I was feigning confusion. But yeah, I definitely come back for her ideas, and other stuff is just a nice bonus 😂

Maybe just don't comment on a woman's appearance. "Would bang" doesn't sound any better just because you wrote it politely.

YES - I have an original copy somewhere. May have to buy another.

I mean literally yes, but Leto is not really an Atriedes at that point.

@@ethancoster1324Is Paul?

@@ethancoster1324 Of course he is an Atriedes.......... He's ALL of them..........

ew

Also I'll be seeing Dune Part Two for a third time this week, truly so moved by these films and this world, I never want to leave it