Why Does Getting Poisoned Break The Golden Sun Games?

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2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun is pretty broken, here's why the speedrun gets poisoned.
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@leftysheppey 2 жыл бұрын

As a lover of JRPGs, please give golden sun a try, even just casually. There's a reason it's listed as one of the best turn based RPGs ever. I may need to crack it out again soon...

@inthefade 2 жыл бұрын

I played the first two and loved them. But then I forgot about it and was just sad the story didn't wrap up. Did they finish the story eventually?

@leftysheppey 2 жыл бұрын

@@inthefade I've not played the third one, but it's on DS. One day :P

@kimmayfang 2 жыл бұрын

👊🏻☠️😻🐋🐤😗😗😛😝🐤

@xGasTon87x 2 жыл бұрын

@@inthefade let's just put it this way, while there where some stuff left at the end of the second. Dark dawn is not just a worse game it also ends in a outright cliffhanger

@avenkaru 2 жыл бұрын

@@inthefade well dark dawn ended on a cliffhanger over 10 years ago with no sign of a sequel

@antisociable604 6 ай бұрын

seeing golden sun back on youtube is the best.

@otterbeans 2 жыл бұрын

this just reminds me how much I'd give for another golden sun game :

@bramble553 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, this isn't the only massive break in Lost Age! Lost Age has a incredibly glitchy zone transition system, one that could be witnessed by even casual players by sheer accident. Usually, this just qualifies as basic wrong warping, but what makes this incredibly interesting is that one usage for this "wrong warping" is to glitch particular events out... one event of which is located in Air Rock, one of the earliest dungeons in the game. by doing a specific setup of actions, you can make the game erroneously give the player a seemingly infinite amount of Sol Blades, the most powerful weapon in the duology. with that, you can get not one, but two Sol Blades for Isaac and Felix, but also get plenty enough needed to have enough money for any shop interactions needed for the rest of the run! the Sol Blade and it's Megiddo ability is outright game breaking too, shattering the difficulty of 90% of the story bosses. TL Plexa has already made a video detailing this discovery over on his youtube channel ^-^

@reginlief1 2 жыл бұрын

I started reading this comment like “oh this sounds like it’ll be a typical exploit- MULTIPLE SOL BLADES?!” That’s an exploit on crack.

@bramble553 2 жыл бұрын

@@reginlief1 Not just that, but you can perform this glitch as early as you have access to Air's Rock. And as I said, it's a early game dungeon, so getting this outright wrecks the entire game's difficulty. the exploit is repeatable, easy to perform, and there's no limit to how many Sol Blades you can generate. It's by far the ultimate speedrunning exploit imho. bit of a shame you can't dupe Valkyrie Mail though, there's no known way to get it early enough to do the other clone glitch later in the game.

@rikudaman 2 жыл бұрын

@@bramble553 There's an even better glitch now, You can get Isaac in the Gabomba statue, just have start the game with a password that gives him max stats and a bunch of broken items for the rest of the party. If you really wanted to, you can transfer items off him and update your transfer link and obtain him again.

@saturos5068 2 жыл бұрын

5:17 how dare they skip me?!

@lisagrund3450 2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun needs more love. Plexa's runs at GDQ had some of the highest viewership and were incredible.

@Skoc90 2 жыл бұрын

both games saved my childhood.

@megasin1 2 жыл бұрын

these games are hidden gems, all 3 are fantastic

@reginlief1 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I never knew the little poison hop could push you through pillars and such. Game design is FASCINATING.

@iicapnjazzii6779 2 жыл бұрын

Makes me sad as fuck Camelot isn't going to continue Golden sun . Easily a master piece

@rizu-kun9687 2 жыл бұрын

It’s incredible how discoveries like this that fundamentally shift runs are still being discovered twenty years after the game’s release. Thanks for covering this!

@DaNa-ku5zf 2 жыл бұрын

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@DaNa-ku5zf 2 жыл бұрын

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@DaNa-ku5zf 2 жыл бұрын

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@kefka14 2 жыл бұрын

I love how small communities have kept digging. My speed game communities are similar in that regard. We are still finding things in Chameleon Twist. I think that is what speedrunning is really about in a sense. The collaborative effort of stretching a game to its limits.

@justinmillard8196 2 жыл бұрын

That’s impressive considering those games are fairly short for the era. Chameleon Twist looked a silly kind of goofy and flawed, but I always wanted to play the sequel.

@kefka14 2 жыл бұрын

@@justinmillard8196 the sequel is a bit longer but not near as popular in terms of running for whatever reason. I agree though. Its whats great about speedrunning as I said before. Collaborative discovery, no matter how weird or obscure the game is.

@princesssprinklesthecat4192 2 жыл бұрын

Chameleon twist and speedrunning are exclusively homosexual

@kefka14 2 жыл бұрын

@@princesssprinklesthecat4192 wow congrats. Such originality. You did it. You won the internet, and everybody now thinks you're the coolest.

@renakunisaki 2 жыл бұрын

We've been finding some interesting glitches in Star Fox Adventures as well; the maybe 5 or 6 of us who care about it 🤪 one of them is actually an interesting exploit that might exist in a number of GC/Wii games, though may not be terribly useful in most.

@KnownAsKenji 2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of poison in Golden Sun, it works on a few bosses, and since it deals % damage it can deal some really big numbers. Don't know if speedrunning uses this at all, but it was fun to discover as a kid.

@reginlief1 2 жыл бұрын

I used to HARD CHEESE the tempest lizard (the red boi) to grind xp. Just sit at xbone isle, flicking in and out of the entrance to respawn the lizard. The poison itself just CHUNKS the lizard’s health.

@nogaxeh6 Жыл бұрын

@@reginlief1 Yes same! There is one earth Djini that inflicts bad poison with a pretty good chance. And since it procs for every action, the tempest lizard would die in two turns. That's how I grinded and eventually maxed out gold in these games. Despite all that grinding, there is just not enough xp to get above lv45. Back then I so wanted to max out my characters, but sadly it's simply not possible in GS1 :c

@dankachilles9356 6 ай бұрын

@@nogaxeh6 My boy taught .e this trick in school. I'm glad other people know this exploit this is sooooo cool to me ❤

@Someguyhere111 2 жыл бұрын

Skipping Posiden? Holy moly, that's gotta be like, a 20-30 minute timesave, right?

@Dovahkiin2406 2 жыл бұрын

Would you even need the trident at that point? Could save ALOT

@randomguy6680 2 жыл бұрын

Unless the runners already knew of a way to not need the trident, it seems huge. Although I don't remember if the explosion psynergie is even needed after that (another area potentially skipped).

@Someguyhere111 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dovahkiin2406 They might still need Burst, for the cannon and Mars LH. Can't remember if Sand and Parch would still be needed. But even then, skipping the trident is big, especially not having to sit through all the dialogue in Campa or fight the boss there.

@TL_Plexa 2 жыл бұрын

@@Someguyhere111 S&Q speedruns will skip Poseidon, Gaia Rock, Ankohl Ruins, Shaman Village, Jupiter Lighthouse & the Reunion. Burst / Grind / Blaze are still needed to complete Mars Lighthouse so we gotta get those, and Parch is needed for Burst, but yeah. Will save over an hour in that category. No S&Q has banned Death Storage for fun reasons.

@thekiss2083 2 жыл бұрын

I love that you haven't played a single GS title, yet you still are aware that Dark Dawn was terrible

@goldsmith8502 3 ай бұрын

cringe take

@DoctorSwellman 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and stay hydrated folks. See the description for additional links and credits! Edit: PhutureX was credited incorrectly in the clip at 0:23. That clip/run belongs to FX, mentioned later in the vid

@thegaymingavenger 2 жыл бұрын

This is neat content on some games I never see talked about so I'm here to stay now. Good stuff.

@danwithaplan3742 2 жыл бұрын

The GBA Golden Suns were my favorite and most played games as a teen! I didn't even know people speedran this game and I'm so happy to see that not only is it a thing, new tech being found even today!

@julierajkowski5814 2 жыл бұрын

7fudu

@alejandracruz496 2 жыл бұрын

Ok Ok

@Skyblade12 2 жыл бұрын

"What did we learn?" That DoctorSwellman needs to play Golden Sun.

@TL_Plexa 2 жыл бұрын

Ain't that the truth

@frds_skce 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, push him to play Golden Sun to the point that he'll even speedrun it

@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 2 жыл бұрын

But can they break it into a remake

@sergiomelendez285 2 жыл бұрын

well done! I bet we’ll see much more coming out of these speedruns.

@henriqueorsi7115 2 жыл бұрын

Your channel is pretty cool, I'm loving the vids about speedrunning strategies that brake games.

@sagacious03 2 жыл бұрын

Great analysis! Thanks for uploading!

@T1duzz 2 жыл бұрын

Love your channel. Glad it got recommended. You deserve more. :)

@otgonjargalotgoo775 2 жыл бұрын

Поорноо сэдэвчилсэн

@Killerabbet 2 жыл бұрын

This video was great! Gave me the same vibes as SummoningSalt's documentaries but without the massive time commitment. Sometimes it's nice when content is more bite sized haha.

@OlgaZuccati 2 ай бұрын

It's funny how many sequence breaks are there just because the way the world of the game is designed, where you can always take shortcuts on the map

@joeyjohnson2828 2 жыл бұрын

"for any Dark Dawn fans out there" **crickets**

@inazuma-fulgur 2 жыл бұрын

We got teased :sad:

@speokeosai 2 жыл бұрын

press f for dark dawn, not bad but just extremely underwhelming compared to its ancestors

@Saixjacket 2 жыл бұрын

@@speokeosai it’s the definition of 7/10. The game had all of the trappings of the first two until you start realizing how many plot holes go unresolved, the roadblocks making you worried that you might have missed something, and the insanely rushed ending brought the game to the most bittersweet feelings I’ve had from a game franchise.

@ashleylange6628 2 жыл бұрын

Super neat, the creativity of speed runners never fails to impress.

@nawnomadnan9874 2 жыл бұрын

I love these kind of news and info!

@mork6668 2 жыл бұрын

Really like this kind of videos!!

@khaluu2000 6 ай бұрын

Oh my gaud, the cave skip after reaching kalay to skip the whole boat ride is mind blowing!!! Woah

@scottrauch1261 2 жыл бұрын

Golden sun 1+2 where some of my favorite handheld games. I was disappointed by dark dawn but I'm still sad they didn't finish the story

@TheGeneReyva 2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun and TLA need re-releasing, with a way to import your save without the password.

@Saixjacket 2 жыл бұрын

But I loved combing over 180 characters to change an L to a 1 lmao

@velvetbutterfly Жыл бұрын

You could use a Link Cable

@ShamanJeeves 2 жыл бұрын

I've been running across your content quite a bit lately. Good stuff! My roomie is a huge Golden Sun nerd, I'll definitely be pointing him to this video. Edited because I failed to read over what I wrote. Words need spaces between them.

@MogMovies 2 жыл бұрын

Plexa can’t play these games for more than 5 minutes without finding something new to break the games with.

@LumanareM 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting how something so simple, like Poison, can blow a game open

@azinyefantasy4445 2 жыл бұрын

In final fantasy 4 there is a spell called virus. After using it there is d.o.t of health drop. Pause the game and come back later and the spell is still going. The enemy will die immediately after unpausing. I dont think anyone has tested this on bosses. Would be amusing to virus the final boss to end the run.

@scintillam_dei 2 жыл бұрын

@@azinyefantasy4445 Do the Japanese know the meaning of the word "Final"?

@velvetbutterfly Жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_deiI'm low key amazed someone in this day and age doesn't know the story behind the title

@mandelabrein8116 2 жыл бұрын

Love the golden sun series

@brucelee7782 2 жыл бұрын

lmao the developers must be laughing their ass off haha

@PICADALOL 3 ай бұрын

Loved this!

@IsoYear 2 жыл бұрын

i BEGGED my parents to get me golden sun and LOVED every second.

@autumnshinespark 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, SG got a ton of skills. Thought I'd only hear of her in the TTYD community.

@marshalsoult3860 Жыл бұрын

i loved golden sun and i still try to beat solo against saturos and menardi and then the two head dragon alone with isaac. i did beat it on my emulator using the 4x speeed but you musts be at level 45 and above whole i still struggle with my old gameboy cause theres no speed x to fasten things and getting xp on that lone island is annoying

@WisemanMcGee 19 күн бұрын

Ill say this about Golden Sun. I picked it up on the advance add on for the nintendo switch. I started it two days ago and i have not been abke to put the thing down since. It is absolutely wonderful

@andr0sra-0h52 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Pretty amazing discovery. It was super chill to watch. I loved the music.

@fade2black001 2 жыл бұрын

"I have not played a single Golden Sun game" What is wrong with you?

@BigIndianBindi-jy1cz 5 ай бұрын

great work

@derfswan8973 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff

@StonyOnYoutube 2 жыл бұрын

Fire video Doc! Keep up the good work!

@cr0ss0vermusic 2 ай бұрын

The only glitch i've encountered in the original golden sun games so far is triggering a fall animation when walking through a door in ankohl ruins, which doesn't give you anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@vodkaffee4856 2 жыл бұрын

nice, im gonna try this on my pocket console

@RetroRanger88 2 жыл бұрын

Me at 40 seconds in: oh god what did Plexa do this time?

@CarlosSilva-bh4bi 2 ай бұрын

4:00 what is this?! Is that the Temple Sonne?!

@MYFAVORITES5 2 жыл бұрын

We need a sequel to Dark Dawn. T_T

@Syphonfllter 2 жыл бұрын

Really reminds me of shining force with a little FF or whatever mixed in. Shining Force really had an impact on me, played it countless times.. I can dig it.

@Evil_Chronic 2 жыл бұрын

There are quite a few shining force references, since Camelot made both games. At least the Takahashi brothers were involved with both.

@Saixjacket 2 жыл бұрын

Shining force one of the greats!!! Currently doing my first all the way to level 20 promotions on all characters run to see the random stats I get by end game. Extremely exciting level up system when you get a stat spike.

@jayjayfabula8675 2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun 1&2 best games ever

@denisbachman8159 2 жыл бұрын

😎💪 Love this game! Thanks for making this vid!

@drizz_tv 2 жыл бұрын

Good video Doc! :)

@Jay-fs2nw 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but sometimes your music gets a bit too loud and it's hard to hear what you're saying

@zachhawkins5005 2 жыл бұрын

I just wanna play Golden Sun now

@amrithas182 2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun yesss 🌸🫂

@scintillam_dei 2 жыл бұрын

Golly!

@fredhair 2 ай бұрын

I will never understand why developers add this kind of functionality to logically change an actor's coordinates when you could simply do this with animation. Just have it be a visual effect and no logical / 'physical' change. It reminds me of swinging a sword in Stardew Valley; it pushed you forward just a pixel or two, you can keep repeatedly swinging your sword near a warp tile / zone to step over it essentially. The logic is tied to the player input which makes sense, you don't need to check if you're interacting with special tiles ever single frame, you just need to check when you're actually moving, and you're only moving when you're pressing an input.... except devs put in these niche occasions where for some reason your coordinates are altered in an unusual way and it breaks the game!! 😂😂

@suryavegeta12 2 жыл бұрын

Please I request you to tone down your background song a bit more when you are speaking. Awesome video though.

@guus19900 13 күн бұрын

Wait, there are Dark Dawn fans?

@isaacsteele7986 2 жыл бұрын

Only 782 views! Criminal!

@owenlewis9315 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah show them vs the final bosses smh

@blacksheepindefinitely2264 14 сағат бұрын

Speedruns? Bruh

@nunyanunya4147 2 жыл бұрын

i wonder how many ways you can post DESTROY as a title and expect a result... id investing a thesaurus.

@SolarMegaMan 2 жыл бұрын

Um. The title doesn't contain that word, though. Heck, even if it did, so long as it's applicable, what's the difference?

@nunyanunya4147 2 жыл бұрын

@@SolarMegaMan keep lazely 'meh'ing toward mediocraty.

@SolarMegaMan 2 жыл бұрын

@@nunyanunya4147 I don't see why you resorted to attacking me personally instead of talking about the actual subject matter, to be honest. That said, you made four spelling mistakes in half as many sentences, so I would suggest being careful in regards to who you lecture on mediocrity. Oh, and maybe don't start liking your own posts the second you post them? It's kind of humiliating for both parties.

@nunyanunya4147 2 жыл бұрын

@@SolarMegaMan thank you for leading by example and taking the moral high ground. I'm so proud of your passive aggression. anything else you could point out but are too kind a soul to do so?

@nunyanunya4147 2 жыл бұрын

@@SolarMegaMan :)

@StonerJames 6 ай бұрын

I don't know what you're talking about. Getting poisoned must only break your game because I've been poisoned numerous times and my game never broke. Unless you're talking about original hardware and not on the Switch.

@princesssprinklesthecat4192 2 жыл бұрын

Speedrunning is exclusively for homosexuals

@midnitdragoon 2 жыл бұрын

Just play the game lol

@pattmahiney 2 жыл бұрын

Any Piers stans? Lol

@cristobalvalle1796 2 жыл бұрын

Dark dawn fans, never seen one , nor have i heard those words together before

@megasin1 2 жыл бұрын

I'll do a shoutout on their behalf, I loved dark dawn. Sure it didn't have the save carry over mechanism but it's great to be solving puzzles, collecting djinni and obtaining ultimate elemental combinations all over again. It's an underrated gem

@inazuma-fulgur 2 жыл бұрын

@@megasin1 thank you for your services

@Earthboundmike 2 жыл бұрын

kay

@FNnametag3 Жыл бұрын

Dark dawn fans? Who tf?

@umadbro4493 5 ай бұрын

what are u waiting for to play the game? it's a masterpiece

@YukeWeiss 2 жыл бұрын

Golden Sun needs more love. Plexa's runs at GDQ had some of the highest viewership and were incredible.

@girlmayris 2 жыл бұрын

As a lover of JRPGs, please give golden sun a try, even just casually. There's a reason it's listed as one of the best turn based RPGs ever. I may need to crack it out again soon...