Why Does My Floor Tom Sound BAD?

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Stephen Clark

Stephen Clark

6 жыл бұрын

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I find that the floor tom is the most susceptible to a mediocre sound. Either it lacks low end or it lacks resonance, making for a less-than-ideal sound. Today I give you 8 reasons why your floor tom might be falling short of your expectation, plus I give you 8 possible solutions to the problems. We conclude the discussion by answering the question of “what is the REAL reason why my floor tom sound is frustrating me?” Often the solution is a simpler and easier fix than we think, and this 8th solution just might be your cure. The video finishes with a demo of some floor tom tunings (and different heads) as well as my complete process for tuning my floor tom, from finger tightening the lugs to getting the resonant head in tune with the batter head. I hope you enjoy, and I hope you’re able to improve your floor tom sound!
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@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 4 жыл бұрын
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@israeljack4452
@israeljack4452 2 жыл бұрын
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@ghettostreamlabs5724
@ghettostreamlabs5724 6 жыл бұрын
Changing the resonant head on my 16" floor tom completely brought it to life. Apparently 25 year old TAMA heads do not last forever. It was a total game changer.
@dudemanaric
@dudemanaric 2 жыл бұрын
What heads you use? I have ec2 as batter for imperialstar floor tom. Reso is stock but newish
@ea_gas
@ea_gas 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is so much more a helpful tuning tip video than I've been able to find anywhere else. ESPECIALLY because you actually talk about the resonant head; which is something that isn't very much talked about in other videos. Thanks so much!
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man! Yeah it's super important to get the resonant head right. It's easy to overlook it. I've found that in any tuning situation, if you're having trouble getting a drum to sound "right"...try changing up the reso tuning. That often fixes it.
@davidmariocomedi1931
@davidmariocomedi1931 6 жыл бұрын
He never blinks!!!!
@chiligiftcard7515
@chiligiftcard7515 6 жыл бұрын
David Mario Comedi he blinks when you blink
@doultonduck6534
@doultonduck6534 6 жыл бұрын
LOL
@Salem324
@Salem324 6 жыл бұрын
wtf!
@Lw1337
@Lw1337 5 жыл бұрын
I knew there was something 😅
@TheTherehegoes
@TheTherehegoes 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing moves but his mouth
@DrumsTheWord
@DrumsTheWord 6 жыл бұрын
Man, I've been waiting for another drummer to talk about this. Great lesson. My floor tom has sucked most of my life...and these lessons are learned the long way. Thank you for the short route!
@Ged____
@Ged____ 6 жыл бұрын
As a somewhat novice drummer I really appreciate your videos and the details and effort you put in to them. Thanks and you've earned a sub :)
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate your subscription :)
@karmyarmy9237
@karmyarmy9237 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Stephen! I just wanted to say how much I love your videos! They help so much and are so well explained. Thank you for making them! Keep up!
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!! I'll keep 'em coming 👍
@steadyintime7775
@steadyintime7775 6 жыл бұрын
@StephenClark , It’s impressive to me how well you’re growing your channel. I would really enjoy seeing some videos of you playing through different styles, and covering some of the challenges you face in each.
@fransterhorst3694
@fransterhorst3694 5 жыл бұрын
Great info as always. one thing i recently tried is these new floortom rubber feet from pearle that make the tom more 'disconnected' from the ground greatly helped getting a better sound. i was amazed how much difference that makes. simply change out the rubber stops from your 3 legs and Bob's your auntie.
@ericdavid199
@ericdavid199 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your content. It's really helping me out as a beginner. Take care.
@benjaminjakobsen2662
@benjaminjakobsen2662 3 жыл бұрын
I had problems with my floor tom and this helped A LOT thank you so much.
@conradflores2297
@conradflores2297 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I’m new to drumming at age 49 and your videos are extremely helpful, specifically on how to practice on silent set up and brand comparison. I have an old pearl export kit I bought for $85 that was basically everything a starter needs. I’ve since spent 3x that amount in little upgrades here and there. I currently use the pearl silencer heads that came as set off of Amazon, for my 14” rack, snare, 16” floor, and a 10” rack I added. For my 12” rack I DID get the Remo Silent stroke. All were purchases influenced by budget restrictions. My 22” bass........that’s where I had to get a little McGuyver-ish....... As you stated There IS NO GOOD BASS mesh head. So, I happened to have two large pieces of 1/4” thick styrofoam from SOME on line order. I placed on the INSIDE of my batter similar to one of the products you reviewed where the piece fit snuggly inside the rim. Same concept only my idea is to deaden the sound, while retaining some sort of bass, as well as keep the “action” of my pedal as real as possible. I also stuffed 2 quilts inside making sure they did not touch the inside of my batter. Sounds great and not too loud. I am a beginner who has never really hit on actual heads, so learning from you that applying duct tape (it will save the world one day....) to the mesh heads gives a more realistic feel was CRUCIAL!! THANK YOU! I’ve subscribed and look forward to more videos and I’ll be sure to go back through the library to see what I’ve missed. Thanks again, Conrad
@MisterToastyy
@MisterToastyy 6 жыл бұрын
just found your channel and i love your videos thanks! the struggle of the floor tom..man it took me ages to find a sound i liked haha but the EC2s slightly higher tuning was my preferred sound.
@Lw1337
@Lw1337 5 жыл бұрын
I like your videos pretty much since I'm a beginner and find your tips really helpful. Im gonna put a Evans EC2 on the Toms I use
@jamestompkins9048
@jamestompkins9048 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Definitely gave me some ideas to experiment with. Liked and subscribed!
@sortebill
@sortebill 6 жыл бұрын
You have a great channel Stephen, even though i already know "everything" you are talking about it's nice to hear it explained with other peoples words. Keep up the good work, great video. Subscribed ;)
@asdf-y2c
@asdf-y2c 6 жыл бұрын
great tutorial dude. Love your work. Keep it up
@KevinFitzpatrick81
@KevinFitzpatrick81 7 ай бұрын
I've stripped the plastic from my drums as well, such a cool look. Thanks for the tom tuning advice! Evans clear-heads sounds amazing.
@MartinMooreMusic
@MartinMooreMusic 9 ай бұрын
This is great! Great job Stephen!
@reginaldbarnes632
@reginaldbarnes632 6 жыл бұрын
This is truly out of the ordinary. well doneand besides it was chock full of useful info. thanks
@hungry_arch
@hungry_arch 5 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a brand new sonor sq1 kit. It came with those coded ambassador's. I hated them. I put the ec2 s on the kit and it absolutely came to life. Great video brother keep them coming
@MikeBerbano
@MikeBerbano 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for posting this often neglected drum in the kit. I have also found that the tuning spacing interval between top batter and bottom reso head is 5 half notes (on the piano), with the reso tuned higher than the batter as you pointed out.
@RudolfByker
@RudolfByker 6 жыл бұрын
Best drum channel I've ever encountered (saying this as an amateur).
@gustavoborchert
@gustavoborchert 6 жыл бұрын
They both sound great, and it will depend on the situation, of course. Nowadays, I am more into a 70s sound; therefore, I go for hydraulic one. Great video, thanks!
@SightNSoundBand
@SightNSoundBand 5 жыл бұрын
This is a good solid video on the pitfalls of floor toms and how to correct them...I'm directing my students to it... :)
@johnward7671
@johnward7671 5 жыл бұрын
I recently installed evens 360 2ply. Been in a fued with floor Tom since. Your thoughts were inspirational. I have a tip that aids in keeping tthe tuning once achieved. Will send picks later.
@camilomateus
@camilomateus 5 жыл бұрын
You're a guru of drums my man...awesome content
@paulinesounds
@paulinesounds 6 жыл бұрын
I love both heads!! it's just depends on the Style. congrts on this amazing Channel!!!
@steeezyjoey
@steeezyjoey 6 жыл бұрын
Evans has these Hyrdaulic heads, It's great for players with no experience in tuning at all and are really easy to setup without much tuning. Try them out!
@g4greed502
@g4greed502 5 жыл бұрын
As a proud owner of blue hydraulics, this video is still very helpful. My floor tom sounds like booty and this video is helping a crap-ton
@ehsbe1056
@ehsbe1056 4 жыл бұрын
I would say EC2s are the best in terms of sound quality and ease of tuning, the hydraulics are easy to tune but lack fantastic depth of sound imo
@mr.diecastracer7450
@mr.diecastracer7450 6 жыл бұрын
thank you very much sir. your information and teaching tips are very helpful. you seem like a great guy and very down to earth. i really enjoyed this video on tuning tips, but i also like your other helpful videos. i didn't like the sound of your floor tom with the coated 'remo' heads. i thought the clear evansc2 head was a little better, especially when you hit the sweet spot. .i didn't hear you say what bottom head that you are using on your floor tom. i love my 'attack' coated 2 ply medium thin batter heads and the 'attack' 1 ply medium clear 'reso' heads on the toms on my ludwig ' rocker' drum kit, and my mapex 'm -birch' kit..my drums sound awesome. i am looking to change them and experiment with buying 'evans ec2' clear batter heads with a 1 ply evans clear reso head.. i am looking for a whole new sound. i hope that it is an improvement to make my drums sound even better than they sound now. i am sure i am about to experiment a whole different sound. can you or anyone give me some advice as to what i am getting into? is this a good move for me? i realize that everyone has their own tastes, sounds, and desires, but it is still nice to read and hear other people's opinions. so, if you can give me any advice, i would appreciate it. thank you very much, G.
@littlebear2477
@littlebear2477 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man 🙏🏽I’m sorry to say I was avoiding using my floor tom because I struggled with it so much... I don’t have that problem anymore
@allrequiredfields
@allrequiredfields 6 жыл бұрын
The craziest trick for floor toms that I've ever learned-and I've never heard of anyone else ever doing it-is tuning the batter a little higher than you're used to, then completely loosening one tension rod. I'm meticulous and neurotic with my tuning, and on paper, it seems like complete nonsense, but I can't tell you how many times it's saved my ass in a live situation where the sound guy just couldn't get ahold of the overtones.
@00_JK_00
@00_JK_00 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic instructional video. Subbed. I'm going to try those EC2's - what was the reso head?
@SONORSQ2guy
@SONORSQ2guy 4 жыл бұрын
I find that floor tom resonate side needs to be tuned high because of the distance between top and bottom heads. That’s the case with my kit. Great video as always. 👍
@motorman111jld
@motorman111jld 5 жыл бұрын
I use Evans EC2 iced. Absolutely love the sound. To me it’s easier to get that deeper bite for me on Ludwig element birch.
@bretthutchison9245
@bretthutchison9245 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. My floor tom is always the 1 tom that drives me nuts. I never get the sound I hear in my head. I'm a fan of the coated remo heads. IMO they sound more warm compared to clear heads.
@cbigclarke
@cbigclarke 6 жыл бұрын
I'm digging that beat in the background
@mikewachter7859
@mikewachter7859 4 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed my brother. Thank you for this
@robertcozart
@robertcozart 6 жыл бұрын
The exact center of the drum is the drum node region and is usually avoided unless you want that sound. Also there is the matter of the reflection of the drum off of the source underneath the drum. The drum legs can affect the sound too. But main thing s get perspective from your space. Appreciate you video
@alanberry528
@alanberry528 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always I like the sound of the Evans ec2 , I've fitted Evans level 360 gc2 clear heads to my kit and my 16" floor tom is tuned 83hz on top and 110hz on bottom which gives it a nice low sound I used,I used the drumtune pro app on my phone which I found very good and easy to use. Keep up with the videos I find them very useful
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll keep 'em coming 👍 I'll check out the drumtune app too. A lot of times I'm just adjusting things by ear, but I did used to use of those drum dial tuners years ago. I've really liked EC2 heads on my kit in particular. They seem to always produce a good, rock sound, and they work well with my shells.
@Assimilator702
@Assimilator702 6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Clark Try some Remo coated Emperors or Vintage Coated Emperors. They last longer than Evans and have an overall better tone. I have 20 year old Remo heads that sound better then an Evans G1 Coated with 3 months of light use. My Emperors LOOK like they need to be changed but they still sound AMAZING.
@markhealey3660
@markhealey3660 5 жыл бұрын
I put Aquarian Triple Threat Coated heads on all my toms to lessen the ring and high tones plus give me some warmth. Love 'em. Been playing coated heads about 14 years. Getting older and tastes and playing styles have changed.
@bacobill
@bacobill 6 жыл бұрын
These videos are totally addicting.. like 'Dirty Jobs' or 'Deadliest Catch' lol.. I truly enjoy them and I thank you for each and every one of your videos :)
@Chiroman527
@Chiroman527 3 жыл бұрын
Stephen, my compliments to great practical, logical presentations. I have a cheapo Gammon kit , gifted to me xmas 2018 by my wife (!!!!), to allow me to return to playing drums after a 50 year hiatus. Im 69 years old and retired now with unfortunately spinal issues . The kit includes 12, 13 and 16 inch toms. I ditched the snare for very good used pick up on a DW Design one, changed all the heads on the toms with 3 or 4 different combos. Tbe 16" floor tom is absolutely the ost difficult to obtain acceptable Dooooo, Doooooo sound I'm looking for. I'm spending too much $$$$ on different heads , probably very foolishly. G1s, G2, Remo ambassadors, and even 2 different Attacks...... the lztest being their ToneRidge heads . The ToneRidges didn't work well, same with the G2s. So i went back to Remo Ambassadors coated on the reso, and G1s clear on tge batters. Changing and mixing is driving me Nuts. Its becomming an obsession. Whats your advice ? I'm not sure what tge Gammons are made of......probably some wood combo. Thx, be well and safe
@ZeBubba
@ZeBubba 4 жыл бұрын
A mallet is great for hearing the tone at each lug. Much more of the fundamental than the attack. This was a real revelation to me!
@perhapsmiracles5432
@perhapsmiracles5432 5 жыл бұрын
My interest here in browsing up this vid was in how to get best sounds from my cocktail kit floor tom - which is really a tenor up on short legs (i.e. upright) - so the batter head for me is the underneath (which is struck by my adapted kick pedal) from below. The reso head, in effect, is the top head in this case - which I can also strike at need (preferably with the pad-end stick), or even with brushes if I want a 'soft jazz' sound. For my samba/calypso type arrangements, I can use this in combination with a small mounted tom and a snare plus cowbell - and I add my two steel-shelled congas also when needed (plus a lot of small hand percussion on top - when I multi-track). I've experimented with different heads on all my drums (including on my regular full kit, my various hand drums and on my range of various home-made 'kettledrums') and etc. But I would say that, after you've done the sensible tuning, a lot of it is down to **how** you hit and with what desired effect. Cotton balls is interesting (one poster here mentioned that I believe). You can even put small rattle-y things inside the shell (which will 'jiggle' as the beater strikes the batter head of course) - which can be interesting; if that's what you want! I think, too, your choice of **beater** is important: Sticks can be harder or softer, (as with all things musical, it's not just about price alone!). larger or smaller head (and I have some which I use with - my own -latex rubber caps on these, for another kind of sound - which also, in this case, gives very fine control on cymbals when you want that). Brushes of course you can use (and you can choose - on mine anyway - how much wire and how broad and spread therefore) as well as hot rods have their uses too. In essence: I think it's as much as anything about being entirely clear about what kind of sound *you* want. You the drummer are the master (if you know what you're doing). It's not the other way about!!
@GrizDrummer25
@GrizDrummer25 6 жыл бұрын
All good advice, and I feel ya on the cheap drums! lol. I didn't realize how low my 16" batter was tuned until this, and it sounds just like your "super low" tuning, so I gotta fix that. But how much can a 2-ply reso hurt a floor toms sound?
@mick_c_horror_and_pop_culture
@mick_c_horror_and_pop_culture 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Helped.
@manifestgtr
@manifestgtr 6 жыл бұрын
Here’s a pro tip from the front lines...we’re talking the Boston, gb circuit, Berklee dweeb stuff that no one tells you. The kind of stuff that will get you more gigs. A huge majority of drummers out there tune their toms too low nowadays. Especially, ESPECIALLY if you’re in a situation with minimal micing. Low tuned drums sound amazing behind the kit. In my practice space, I keep my drums tuned nice and low because I prefer that sound in that environment. In a gigging situation, no one can hear that. The low end dies in a sea of guitars, bass and middle management douchebags trying to outdouche each other in front of you. Tune your toms a liiiiiittle higher when you’re out. At the end of the day, the most important sound is the sound 20 feet out front. If you tune your toms low like every other drummer, your tom work is going to sound like the same indistinct “papapahdodododoo” as every other drummer. A little higher and your personality will pop right through in that context. This is the best single tuning tip I ever got and it’ll help with floor tom tuning as well. Floor toms become exponentially more difficult to tune as the pitch decreases.
@JamesThomas01
@JamesThomas01 3 жыл бұрын
2 years late to this reply, but You are 100% right! I tune my toms low and I mic my kick and toms at every gig because of this. If I'm unable to mic up (Which is fairly rare) I bring all of my tunings up and drop any muffling I previously had on the toms.
@ccdrums1290
@ccdrums1290 3 жыл бұрын
Another late reply, but the slightly higher tuning and no muffling works just fine with mic’ed up toms as well. Many pro drummers, Simon Phillips, John Bonham, etc. play their toms wide open and tuned up to get resonance and tone. It’s all about mic placement and how you control the input (gain, volume, etc.) I play my toms mic’ed up with no muffling and have the toms tuned medium tight, slightly higher on the bottom. For my kit I find that with the floor toms, the interval between top and bottom is less than my mounted tom. I have a minor third difference on the 13” tom, a 1/2 step on the 16 and 18 floor toms. Most drummers I see on KZfaq have their 16” floor tom top head tuned to about an A. For me, that’s too low. My drum sounds floppy and feels sluggish at that tension. I’m closer to between a B and C on top. One thing to note....if I didn’t have an 18”floor tom, I may go lower on the 16.
@martinel2450
@martinel2450 Жыл бұрын
Yes. And this should be considered for snare tuning also in live applications. A few years back I was having fun trying out my different snares at different gigs and playing with tuning. I cranked a mapex armory metal snare I have as high as it could go before choking.. What I discovered was that all of the kick and snare parts in the grooves were more defined and heard clearly. I guess the further the pitches are from each other the more clearly they’re heard individually with no overlapping. This was something I noticed drummers playing live concerts in the early 80s. The snares were always cranked.
@manifestgtr
@manifestgtr Жыл бұрын
@@martinel2450 A version of that sound re-emerged in the 90s, too. Half of the grunge records everyone loves were recorded with a piccolo snare, squashed to hell and back with an 1176 or a fatso….why? Because it sounds great, it’s aggressive, enormous and it cuts.
@Internetpolice666
@Internetpolice666 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I loved you in "Patriot" too.
@danewallace3092
@danewallace3092 6 жыл бұрын
a trick i came up with on my 16 was to put a clear 2 ply on the bottom to help control the drum, i never use dampening on toms and this worked well for me.
@dkhr0757
@dkhr0757 6 жыл бұрын
I have that Evans head and I really like it. I would recommend that one.
@Rockin_Ross
@Rockin_Ross 6 жыл бұрын
I use the Evans Level 360 Hydraulics on my Gretsch and it works very well. No need for muffling or any other ring control products. Resos are all single ply G1’s and balance the thicker batters well.
@magikbaku5502
@magikbaku5502 6 жыл бұрын
The closer to the center of the head you hit the less overtone you have. For a fuller sound it could be fixed by hitting slightly off from the center
@derekpink
@derekpink 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice of this surgeon to take a break from the O.R. to give us drum tuning tips.
@zotthedestroyer5190
@zotthedestroyer5190 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this video
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching! 👍
@alroker8053
@alroker8053 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Thank you!
@pierrederesistance
@pierrederesistance 6 жыл бұрын
Context is so important too. Often a floor tom that sounds too flappy or boomy will sound great played in context with the rest of the kit and even better with the rest of the band.
@buzzsawanthony544
@buzzsawanthony544 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx great video I use remo pinstripe
@lajeanette33
@lajeanette33 6 жыл бұрын
Funny, for me it's always the mid tom espacially 12".
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Really? I guess it depends on what you're going for. Most of the time I'll get a rack tom sound I like pretty fast, then spend more time on the floor tom. I will say though...I prefer 13" and 16" toms on a 4-piece kit. I'm ok with a 12", but if I have one rack tom I like a 13", which I find pretty easy to tune. Do you tune higher or lower generally?
@drumssam2548
@drumssam2548 6 жыл бұрын
Yes me too I can not tune my 12 inch
@isaachahn2468
@isaachahn2468 6 жыл бұрын
Same
@PNW_Sportbike_Life
@PNW_Sportbike_Life 6 жыл бұрын
That's everybody lol. 12s are notorious
@jacobm92
@jacobm92 6 жыл бұрын
try working on your reso head. i thought there was something wrong with me but then i checked the reso head and it was tuned way too low. for toms, you want the reso and batter heads to be identical in pitch.
@MNRDrums
@MNRDrums 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed stock heads now often seem to carry a name brand but a lower quality, so still always worth swapping stock heads to quality heads like you say, I also found the quality of the resonant head can hugely affect the sound. 😀
@austinbaxter939
@austinbaxter939 6 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. Vary helpful
@JamesMcCutcheon
@JamesMcCutcheon 4 жыл бұрын
I am new to learning drums I purchased a decent Ludwig I have a large ride cymbal and 1 crash cymbal 14 inch High Hat. I got some moon gel that seems to help with over resonation. I only use it in my studio at home. I want to learn enough to accompany my guitar and bass and keyboard parts that I record. I like everything to be recorded with microphones and live amplifiers. I need some help with tuning my drums but d not really know how to get started. Thank you for a great video I am subscribing to your channel.
@Scratchyjackscratch
@Scratchyjackscratch 6 жыл бұрын
I use the Evans Hydraulic heads on my toms, they work great for me, I do use a different snare head though, Aquarian High Energy. Thanks for the tips man.
@veerchasm1
@veerchasm1 5 жыл бұрын
I got no problems with the floor toms, it’s always my 12/13 that sucks
@LBird44
@LBird44 6 жыл бұрын
the ec2 sounds great! :) love your videos, cheers!
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and thanks! 👍 I really like the EC2 on that drum as well. Take care!
@commandx2730
@commandx2730 6 жыл бұрын
you suck
@patrickzehnder7447
@patrickzehnder7447 5 жыл бұрын
LBird44 ;
@danstephensen9032
@danstephensen9032 4 жыл бұрын
Great. solid Info.
@davidpeavy8544
@davidpeavy8544 6 жыл бұрын
Really great and useful!
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad this helped you out! 👍
@jimcopeland2274
@jimcopeland2274 6 жыл бұрын
I have a vintage Slingerland 16in floor tom that I wrestled with and was never happy with, it just always sounded dead. The drum had straight legs with small rubber tips. I finally solved the problem by changing the legs and rubber tips. I switched to the Pearl floor tom legs with those big rubber tips. This completely changes the characteristics of the drum.
@BeefBamBam
@BeefBamBam 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, great video. I have 16" and 18" Gretsch Catalina floor toms and I really struggle to tune them. I think what not sure of is the interval between the reso and batter head - any tips please? I use Evans two-ply on batter, and single ply on the reso
@lucianisidro
@lucianisidro 6 жыл бұрын
For toms, I use a one-ply resonant head and a two-ply batter head, tuning the reso a perfect fifth higher than the batter (for a perfect fifth, hum the melody to "Here Comes the Bride" in any key). This means that your drum will pitch high as the reso rings out first and then drop down when your stick releases the batter. IMHO, this sounds way better than going from low to high or trying vainly to get both heads tuned to the same pitch. They never will stay at the same pitch anyway and will merely run interference with each other - kind of like a pair of air horns! Then I tune the batter of the the next tom up to match the reso of the lower drum. If you use four toms, say 10, 12, 14, 16, then the reso of the 16 will be the same pitch as the batter of the 14 and the reso of the 14 will be the same pitch as the batter of the 12 and so on. This means that the kit is in tune with itself - like a guitar - because when you hit one drum, all the other drums ring a bit too, don't they? In fact the whole kit resonates - the cymbals too! So ... Remo Emperors or Pin Stripes on top and Ambassadors on the bottom (or Evans G2s/EC2s and G1s). Nice Evans drum key BTW. I have two of those that I use for quick head changes. Not only do they have that cool knurled knob at the top, but they have little magnets inside the key so they stick onto your tuning rods. Please note: this stuff works for me and it's just my opinion that it sounds good. However, if you're having trouble with your tunings, then you may as well try it. Also, if your kit is just too ringy in the studio or your practice space, then try using Aquarian damper rings. I get a nice fat sound with them on my heads, but I take them off for live. Drums should ring - that's what carries your sound. Thanks for the videos Stephen, they are really good!
@onebeforetwo
@onebeforetwo 5 жыл бұрын
Sal Paradise Thank you for the great tip I want to try this (I’m planning on using pinstripe batters and ambassador resos for recording soon). But if I’m only using a 4-pc kit and have a 12/13 rack and a 16 floor, how should I tune them together using your method?
@davidmcaninch4714
@davidmcaninch4714 4 жыл бұрын
The heads I have on my toms are the Remo Pinstripes: 10, 12, 16.
@odiepapasin480
@odiepapasin480 6 жыл бұрын
The rubber feet on toms' legs mostly stiffen with time, losing shock absorption, so i set them over an additional sheet of rubber tiles - those stuff kids play on that can be locked like puzzle tiles - over three layers of cheap carpet. The legs dig into these a bit so it kinda works like 'memory' as well. Where the bass drum spurs rest i inserted a sheet cut rectangular, of material used as rubber sole, between the top two carpet layers. The round, meaty sound blooms from there. If I may add, I also weighed down the beach towel inside my bass drum with 11 kgs of packed fine sand I bought at a nearby construction supply outlet to stabilize the bass drum sound, as well as the mounted toms. My bass player tailored his sound to complement mine as a consequence.
@spacecowboycade
@spacecowboycade 6 жыл бұрын
This channel Is so freakin awesome!
@gloglo1213
@gloglo1213 5 жыл бұрын
Well done !
@1thess523
@1thess523 6 жыл бұрын
I like the tuning of the ec2 and just to clear head itself as I play punk music so I like a little brighter but still able to get a nice low-end punch
@djaypee
@djaypee 6 жыл бұрын
My problem was with the bearing edges and crooked hoops. It sould be your tip #9. Cheers!
@coffeedawg822
@coffeedawg822 6 жыл бұрын
My floor tom is only 13" (8, 10, 12 rack toms). Evans EC2 is the only head I've found that works well for smaller toms that want to sound big. Love the videos, keep up the good work!
@sccdrum93
@sccdrum93 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'd probably agree with you if I were working with those sizes. From my experience, double ply heads can be tuned lower (giving a "larger" sound), whereas single ply get too "flappy" when tuned low. So EC2s will always provide a consistent, big, punchy sound from most drums.
@noahmiller6193
@noahmiller6193 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite head for my toms at the moment are Evans Black Chromes. I also dont use resonant heads.
@boyna13
@boyna13 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I really like your channel and I subcribed it as well. I have a question: what kind of practice pad over the drums did you use for the backing track in this video? I use remo silentstroke heads and ziljidian low volume, but my sound is not good as yours. Thank you and have a good holiday weekend!
@Emece236
@Emece236 5 жыл бұрын
Why did you choose different brands for the heads?? I mean for the reso and the batter. Thx, dude, nice videos always
@TomGoldsmithguitar
@TomGoldsmithguitar 6 жыл бұрын
Great ideas here bro
@chamocamel8418
@chamocamel8418 6 жыл бұрын
hi Stephen, very informative video but according to me, you forgot an important reason why a floor tom can sound bad; the legs of the tom! i m talking here about floor toms that stands on three legs, not suspended toms on a cymbal stand that usually sounds great because of their good sustain, and sustain is maybe the most important topic when we talk about a good sounding drum, without sustain, nothing possible, and of course it's possible to control the sustain the three legs of floor tom are sometimes the reason of a cruel lack of sustain, and if you lift the tom from the ground, you will find that the sustain is back, as if the ground would absorb the resonance of the drum...the reason of that could be because the gum at the end of the legs in not protecting the drum to sound and vibrate freely, or the gum isnt here anymore, or sometimes a bad conception of the drum itself thank you for your videos greetings from France
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969
@rhnstjegilrhkscvn1djhrj969 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, your the only one who got it right, I have a 1964 set of Slingerlands, 14" and 16" toms always sounded like a cardboard box. I changed the minimal rubber feet (gum) to the resonator feet from my Pearl kit and 200% difference and I've never been dissatisfied since (playing 56 years)
@shoppingamericanarecording5808
@shoppingamericanarecording5808 3 жыл бұрын
Monsieur. I reckon you are right. Vous avez le raison mon pôche.
@SpittinSquirell
@SpittinSquirell 5 жыл бұрын
I use a pretty standard head setup on my 13" rack tom and 16" floor tom. Clear ambassador heads for batter and clear diplomat for reso. On my 18" floor tom I use a Powerstroke 3 batter and ebony ambassador for reso. I find the 18" resonates like crazy so I have to use a heavier head for the better to match the other toms.
@abrotherinchrist
@abrotherinchrist 5 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Song of Songs in the background.
@paradigmshiftz7
@paradigmshiftz7 6 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial dude. I like to use Remo Coated Emperors on my toms with a piece of moongel and tuned low to get that boomy and slightly muffled sound. Kinda like Travis Barker.
@skadrumsandwich7415
@skadrumsandwich7415 5 жыл бұрын
Ever try Pinstripes? They're basically Emperors but with a thin line of muffling between the two layers. You may be able to get a similar sound as an Emperor with a Moongel but without the need to add the Moongel.
@Meteotrance
@Meteotrance 6 жыл бұрын
For Rock Fusion, try the evans hydraulic double ply with thin oil inbetween layers, if you wan't that short tom attack with rumble, they realy awesome ^^ no need moon gel anymore !!!
@evenform
@evenform 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff man :)
@Lw1337
@Lw1337 5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about which company makes good products for each category (pedal, drumheads, cymbals etc.)
@ColtenBoatwright
@ColtenBoatwright 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 14” Pearl EXR floor tom with a shitty mounting system that just clamps on the hoop. I have NOT played a venue when the sound tech or some other person compliments how well my drums sound. I use a Remo Emperor Black Suede batter and an Ambassador Coated on the resonant side. Super low tuning on top and slightly higher on the bottom. I love this sound!
@DamianS1893
@DamianS1893 5 жыл бұрын
I replaced my stock Remo heads with Evans Hydraulic Heads and Evans G1'S for the rest heads... Much improved
@thunderfoot11
@thunderfoot11 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I learned early on in my youth was hitting the shell dead center first - why, because the shell has a resonant frequency that is what it wants to play. Once you have that tone, strive to tune both bottom and top heads to that tone. You'll find the drum will 'sing' in a much more distinct manner. Also when you tune tune above the tone you want and then bring the head back down to the proper tone, this will help to "seat" the heads properly, much like first tune of a guitar string too high then drop to the correct pitch, why, because all stuck and plucked instruments have to give a little at first, which is why most heads take a few days to get to where they "hold" their tune correctly. I find with this technique you use little or no muffling/dampening except where volume control is an issue (practice/low volume/etc). I personally haven't used dampening in recording or live play in over three decades. :) (Thank You Neil Peart for that tip. MD 1988 or '89 interview - took me a while to learn it correctly.)
@CartmanMorisato
@CartmanMorisato 6 жыл бұрын
Stephen: What size tom would you recommend for a cajon kit church set up where its in a very echo-y in the room? I'm trying to find a balance between a small sized floor tom (for easy/quick set up) & cheap price but still have it sound deep enough. My regular set's tom is 14x14 so I'm thinking either a 12x14 or even like a child's sized floor tom. Rookie mistake or just odd?
@VojtechRozsival
@VojtechRozsival 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen. Thanks for your videos. I have heard somewhere one way of tuning, whih is the reso heads tuned very high and the batter heads tightened just to get rid of wrinkles and basically get some sound. It worked somehow for me while I was using the Remo pinstripes, cannot really tell for the Ambassadors I use now. Would you have some comments on such tuning style? My 14" floor tom sounds great, I would actually need to shorten the sound somehow, but my 10" tom, which always used to be my sweetie just lost the tone after I changed the heads. I tried the matched tuning, but it still has no body... Any ideas?
@andersonm5889
@andersonm5889 6 жыл бұрын
My floor tom rumbles and vibrates like crazy when I hit it. I've tuned both heads the right way and every other tom on my set and my snare they all sound great. I don't use muffling. I've got good quality evans heads on all of them. Tom still rumbles like a monster, BUT then I put a pillow underneath it in between two of its legs, meaning the pillow is in contact with the two legs, yet not in contact with the drum itself or the heads. It's just on the floor inches away from the reso but pressed in between the legs. SO does this mean its a hardware problem? Obviosly I've made sure the legs are tight enough, they were tight enough already before the pillow, and the lugs on the tom seem all tight enough. Could it be a loose part inside one of the lugs causing unwanted vibration? If I take the pillow away it goes back to the same loud rumbling.
@sticktoyourdrums8177
@sticktoyourdrums8177 6 жыл бұрын
I struggle with getting it line with the other toms. When I was an ignorant novice, I just couldn't figure out how the drummers of my favorite bands got the amazing sounds. Then I realized that they were all using mic'd up toms using computer assisted sounds to achieve warmth. Maybe the sound you are trying to achieve isn't something that is natural. It kinda like photography. The camera does most of the work, but you still have to use Photoshop to get the ideal photo. Just food for thought.
@garagemuso72kd5
@garagemuso72kd5 6 жыл бұрын
When your favorite drummers are playing live, it is more likely that they are using gates, compressors and possibly reverb through the PA. This makes an incredible difference to the sound of your drums as heard by the audience. It's fairly common for metal drummers to use triggers on their bass drums to achieve uniformity in sound for live shows but usually only the bass drum. At the end if the day though, it still comes back to tuning. Badly tuned drums will sound rubbish no matter how good the sound tech is.
@rhythmfield
@rhythmfield 6 жыл бұрын
What garagemuso said!
@DDS029
@DDS029 5 жыл бұрын
Computers didn't always exist. Drums at one time were only mic'd by a couple of boom mics hovering over the drums, if at all. Tuning to get the proper sound was all you had. The quality of the drum was extremely important. Slingerland, arguably were the best overall drums ever made. They used a wood that no one else would get because of the expense. But they made the drums, and charged more, in hopes that people would pay the premium. Slingerland is gone now, the primary reason . . . the wood was getting scarce, and the price kept going up until drummers weren't willing to pay the price, as other drums were getting better because of acoustic research getting better. But the point being, quality, and tuning were all you had.
@Master...deBater
@Master...deBater 3 жыл бұрын
@@DDS029 Exactly...the old-time pros had great sound because they had exceptional ears and understood their instruments...not to mention their other talents!
@martinel2450
@martinel2450 Жыл бұрын
True. And sometimes what we hear from behind the drums isnt what is out front. A venue I play has a sound guy that always has the floor sounding like a Harley even when I feel like the tuning is not 100% that night.
@tedtedsen269
@tedtedsen269 5 жыл бұрын
im using Cotton inside my floor toms lying on the resonant head and a Clear stick atack and the Cottons jumps and when it lands it muffels the drum and i'm not losing res from my floor tom stick atack
@flip7081
@flip7081 6 жыл бұрын
Going from a Remo pinstripe to a coated, playing harder stuff, but allowing for versatility, what do you recommend? Been looking at the Remo Suede. They seem like a nice middle ground. My impression is more warmth than the clear heads, while being more durable than the ‘jazz’ heads. Haven’t played them yet.
@nateanderson4080
@nateanderson4080 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Pearl Maple Session from around 2002. It’s supposedly a high end drum but I’m have a difficult time getting my 14” floor Tom to sound right with the low punchy sound. Tried both of the heads in this vid, plus Emperors and G2s... with clear Ambassador and clear Genera Resos. Could be the age of the heads. How long are you supposed to keep the batter/reso? Both are a couple years old, but haven’t been played much because I was away for graduate school. I like to use no muffling if possible.
@daarchitec6686
@daarchitec6686 6 жыл бұрын
Do you think that sm57 is the best mic to represent the true sound the floor tom should be have? I use a kick mic for my floor tom to get a meaty low but still give the 500kh frequency as well
@josephclark8386
@josephclark8386 2 жыл бұрын
I use the ec2 by Evans, takes out a lot of the over ring. I also use the aquarium Studio rings. I have a standard 12 and 13 inch Tom mounted on my bass drum and a 16 inch floor tom, I just bought a matching 18in floor tom and I cannot seem to get it tuned lower than the 16 in. I think I'm going to have to tune up the 16 so it will be a nicer flow from the 13 to the 18 in. Wish somebody out there would do a video on tuning a 12 13 16 and additional 18, enjoy your videos a lot, if you have an 18 please make us a video
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