Why does Starbucks pay so little tax? - MoneyWeek Investment Tutorials

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11 жыл бұрын

Big, profitable companies can reduce their corporation tax bill to almost nothing. Tim Bennett explains how they manage it.
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@EclipseParadox
@EclipseParadox 7 жыл бұрын
He actually starts at 6:27, skip to then if you just want him to start explaining.
@terryz.9918
@terryz.9918 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks god!
@captainbeaky8934
@captainbeaky8934 5 жыл бұрын
@@terryz.9918 thanks for the tip I was about to leave this video the presenter needs to get a grip and learn about effective presentations, I'm sure they must be that shit on YT somewhere...
@kerryjking6626
@kerryjking6626 5 жыл бұрын
Took 6 minutes providing explanation to 6 year olds.
@leedobbs2435
@leedobbs2435 5 жыл бұрын
God sake... should of come straight to comments
@johnboykin3128
@johnboykin3128 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Just-SomeGuy
@Just-SomeGuy 8 жыл бұрын
Really excellent video, carefully explained and easy to follow (not too fast!), I like your style.
@Peteristrate
@Peteristrate 5 жыл бұрын
And, to detail a little bit more, the LOSSES part is also split into a few types of losses: - overheads/running costs: salaries, utility bills, etc. - expansion costs: costs of expanding the operations like new offices, new factories, new other infrastructure. - R&D costs: research & development that costs you money to discover new ways of improving your business and the economy as a whole and even bettering people's lives(like discovering a new cancer cure or inventing a faster aeroplane or making a new spaceship or simply discovering a new product that makes your customers checkout faster and that saves you or them time/money/energy or anything that moves you and society forward). All these are considered LOSSES for a company, and rightly so.
@billholt174
@billholt174 4 жыл бұрын
Modeled on that, I ought to be able to write off every material bit of my existence and be tax-exempt, as a wage earner of meager means. Almost every dollar goes to 'maintenance' of some sort, and rarely to profit or outright enjoyment. ; ]
@TokyoTaisu
@TokyoTaisu 11 ай бұрын
Dude we're talking about Starbucks. They're a liquid cake store.
@mikeross1840
@mikeross1840 7 жыл бұрын
This is why Amazon claims to be not profitable while they've been the biggest online retailer in the world. Meanwhile their stock has soared to all time highs.
@superresistant8041
@superresistant8041 5 жыл бұрын
Not a claim, a fact.
@David-ud9ju
@David-ud9ju 5 жыл бұрын
@@RichardG774 No, it is a claim. Reinvesting profits are still profits. We don't have that luxury. It doesn't matter how much of our income we spend, we still get taxed on all of it, so why shouldn't they?
@ddillard143
@ddillard143 5 жыл бұрын
@@RichardG774 individuals get income taxed before expenses. With the exception of the things you just mentioned like charity, moving. Certain Medical. But how many people I'm moving every year? How many people had those same medical expenses every year? The write-offs that the working stiff gets are not of things that stay in that household such as meals, phone bills, Etc. But everything else I have to agree with you on. This country's economy is designed to benefit businesses. And they are creating jobs so they should have incentives
@ddillard143
@ddillard143 5 жыл бұрын
@@RichardG774 yes you are correct I didn't think of that. But I guess because that is only temporarily. 2025 all of that goes away. I don't know what will replace it though but it's not etched in stone
@ddillard143
@ddillard143 5 жыл бұрын
@@RichardG774 yes true
@alliwanttosay11
@alliwanttosay11 10 жыл бұрын
You Sir are a great presenter, cheers!
@defaultname9893
@defaultname9893 9 жыл бұрын
Tax optimization is one area where there is a ridiculous amount of savings that can be made. Startups often cut corners on researching or investing a bit in financial planning, and in turn lose thousands of dollars that would go the long mile in helping them invest in better assets. Over time, as the company scales up, more and more revenue is lost due to lack of planning from day 1. Clearly, one can be defeated by competitors without proper financial planning.
@johnbenton4488
@johnbenton4488 9 жыл бұрын
Still immoral. No excuses!
@pablozane7767
@pablozane7767 5 жыл бұрын
John Benton You are an idiot. Tax is theft when it's not voluntary. Governments are not GOD. You can't steal a lot of someone's money simply because they optimised their opportunities and became wealthy whilst you stuck to your 9 to 5.
@marklittler784
@marklittler784 5 жыл бұрын
One job making money another job keeping it, no point just putting hard work into making it, in business you need to automatically put hard work into keeping it if just to keep a level playing field with the competition, but at the end of the day individuals seem to be paying most of the taxes not international corporations, so individuals need to start using the same tricks.
@saberur66
@saberur66 5 жыл бұрын
if everyone had your mentality there would be no national economy. regardless of either you like it or not, there are things (such as roads) that is much easier and time efficient in the long run for the government to control it. if no one paid taxes their would be no roads, or roads with too many tolls that will increase time traveled, gas spent etc etc.
@marklittler784
@marklittler784 5 жыл бұрын
@@saberur66 Tax planning is vital to compete with your tax planning competitors whether you like it or not, you simply don't have a choice, Govts compete to reduce corporation tax to attract investors so virtually how small you are, plumber, builder form a company to reduce taxes if you can't beat them join them.
@edwarddavenport9881
@edwarddavenport9881 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is the best finance teacher on KZfaq. Great watching. He’s really opened my eyes to a lot.
@MoneyWeekVideos
@MoneyWeekVideos 11 жыл бұрын
Yep - that was in a former life! And yes I enjoy my job even if it's not in the same league as my older ones money-wise...
@johan6077
@johan6077 8 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel, well explained Tim! Looking forward to more videos.
@liviustoiann
@liviustoiann 11 жыл бұрын
You, sir, are very well documented on many levels and most important, you've got a remarkable ability to share your knowledge with the rest of people in such a way that it is easy to understand. Your popularity should be much higher. Cheers to you!
@tomatobrush3283
@tomatobrush3283 4 жыл бұрын
That is it, I am going to loan myself money at 50% interest. Genius!
@3e3op88
@3e3op88 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Tim! I love your teaching style and wish you had been my professor when I was in college.
@peterwatson9047
@peterwatson9047 5 жыл бұрын
5:33 mentioned cost of the shops for a second then moved on. I'd like to see the amount of the total UK Starbucks sales that goes on property rents. People get angry about these tax approaches and completely overlook this part of the whole picture.
@drobin74
@drobin74 8 жыл бұрын
Good info. Thank you for sharing. Please continue the great content.
@larryporter3744
@larryporter3744 9 жыл бұрын
You simply remain providing instructive videos. You can keep them coming!
@tindrums
@tindrums 5 жыл бұрын
Yes... In India it us called Tax Accounting and Book Accounting. Govt has wised up and there is taxation linked to Book Accounting.
@tdwright91775
@tdwright91775 10 жыл бұрын
The first method involving intercompany charges (interest in this case) may not work as well as the other methods since the interest received by the Starbucks U.S. would be taxable in the US. So you don't pay UK tax because of the interest deduction, but you end up paying US tax on the interest income. The third method does not work very well since Starbucks would have to incur a substantial operating loss in order to offset its income. The second method is golden. It is often used by companies with valuable intangible property (patents, brands, secret formulas, etc.).
@joshuacolombi4538
@joshuacolombi4538 5 жыл бұрын
Any idea why Starbucks can't just up the salaries of the all the people in charge there (such that their costs are v large and they basically have no profits)? Is this not in interest because actually the personal income taxes are generally higher than the corporation taxes?
@2yogz
@2yogz 5 жыл бұрын
If taxation was less than it is in the UK, then the first method does work. They will never get away paying nil tax, but they will minimise it however possible.
@samwood4733
@samwood4733 5 жыл бұрын
@@joshuacolombi4538 The issue with this is that shareholders would be very upset.
@piotrmaj6706
@piotrmaj6706 5 жыл бұрын
In the third method think about new Starbucks restaurant being opened. There is only loss of money at the beginning of a shop. Furthermore this is the main reason why they are still more Starbucks restaurants. New shops = higher losses = higher revenue.
@szaki
@szaki 5 жыл бұрын
Millions of middle class, fix income 1040 people pay the most taxes by percentage.
@sharon246787
@sharon246787 8 жыл бұрын
That was so well explained even your doodles looked great ha ha..... i subscribed... brilliant!...
@remistaom
@remistaom 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, again! The repeated information only makes it easier to understand! Thank you!
@SayMyName383
@SayMyName383 5 жыл бұрын
The business manager is obligated to reduce expenses; including taxes. Also, it is legal and lawful. Paying higher tax equates to an idiotic business manager. Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not. There is a difference. Most journalists, apparently, don't know that.
@artjacob5359
@artjacob5359 5 жыл бұрын
It's high time we ditched this regressive tax system and just charged a Turnover Tax to companies with a sliding scale exemption for SME's and capital re-investment, so it wouldn't matter how clever your accountants are !
@farabix00880
@farabix00880 4 жыл бұрын
Bangladesh govt does tax on revenue, but at very low rates.
@pavelp.3743
@pavelp.3743 4 жыл бұрын
This was a Very simple solution explained in this video. The most interesting I would like to hear (but have not heard) is list of countries with lower tax rates where UK company can pay ("the royalty and debts") without problem with tax authorities and Bank complience.
@iraasta
@iraasta 6 жыл бұрын
Found it by accident. Such a great talk. Could understand it all without any economical background
@jeanchung8746
@jeanchung8746 11 жыл бұрын
In addition to three indicated ways of reducing corporate taxes, the UK subsidiary can buy its coffee or any other raw materials from another subsidiary located in a lower tax regime at a higher cost than it would in the UK.
@InstTaxSolutionsLLC
@InstTaxSolutionsLLC 11 жыл бұрын
The short answer to how they do this is within the tax law itself. As indicated in the video, the profits are reported in certain offshore locations and they are exempt from being taxed in the U.S.
@chahal_s
@chahal_s 7 жыл бұрын
Actually there are stringent Transfer Pricing rules which make this illegal.
@BigBengo
@BigBengo 5 жыл бұрын
how can I apply this structure to my self employed business and "legally" not pay any tax 😂
@hassan123456killa
@hassan123456killa 4 жыл бұрын
You can start by getting a Good accountant and start by paying yourself minimum wage and stick your whole family on minimum wage.
@thanimoinamkou8372
@thanimoinamkou8372 4 жыл бұрын
And also May be change the legal structure of your company, and instead of paying yourself salary, pay yourself dividend while keeping salary at minimum wage
@jaywarriuk
@jaywarriuk 4 жыл бұрын
Surely you have to make a profit to pay yourself with dividends? But then again, I suppose its better in the uk to pay 19% corp tax than 25% income tax, and then you only pay 7.5% on dividends...
@hassan123456killa
@hassan123456killa 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaywarriuk No technically minimum wage cannot be taxed everyone has an allowance, so you pay yourself the bare minimum which is tax free less any NI contribution. Then you make smart investments back into the company until you get to the amount you want to take out as a dividend. And then based on the assumption you are in your second year you can waiver the tax bill with any previous losses that will be accounted for :)
@0118uhauha
@0118uhauha 4 жыл бұрын
Here is how McDonalds and Coca Cola avoid taxes in Europe: You are not allowed to use a trademark or "brand" which is registered and paid for at the national patent- and trademark offices by somebody else. Unless you ask the trademark owner ( McDonalds parent-company wherever it is ) for permission and agree on a yearly payment called royalty or franchise which VARIES from year to year. McDonalds-parent has given a small ( merely 12 employees ) subsidiary-company MCD in Luxemburg the right to make franchise-agreements with restaurants in all European countries. Thus if McDonalds-France one year makes , say 200 million Euro profits ( sales minus expenses including salaries ) then MCD will decide that royalty for France should be 200m. When this inflatable expense is added to the real expenses then profits ( and thereby taxes ) become zero. Or royalty can be used in combination with write-offs on equipment such as stoves , ovens and trucks. Normally small MCD rakes in about 10 billion Euro each year from restaurants all over Europe. But what about taxes in Luxemburg ? If you are big , you can obtain a sweetheart deal with the tax-department ( Bureau d'Imposition ) see also Google "Luxembourg Leaks Wikipedia". Average citizens in Luxemburg pay much higher taxes. S t r a n g e principle: the more you earn , the less tax you pay. Here is how Coca Cola gets zero tax in Denmark ( and most other countries ) : Coca Cola consists of soda-water and a powder. The water is sold from Danish brewery Carlsberg to Coca Cola-Denmark. The powder ( ingredients are listed on the bottle , manufacturing price is about the same as for coffee ) is IMPORTED to Denmark from USA. If Coca Cola-Denmark one year has profits of 50m Kroner then this powder will cost 50m DKK. But then Coca Cola-USA will have to pay taxes of these 50m ? Yes theoretically , but Coca Cola-parent's office is in tax-free Delaware and it is from here the powder-invoice is mailed to Denmark. It is called "price-transfer". The powder itself arrives from some Coca Cola brewery in USA. I do not blame these companies for running their business efficiently , merely the POLITICIANS are to blame for not taking action. How ? By forbidding to deduct any amount on the tax return which has merely been paid to another company within the same group.
@affluentishmael1045
@affluentishmael1045 6 жыл бұрын
Does this mean that they have two sets of financial statements, one set for investors and another set for the local tax office...?
@NoGodsNoMasters1885
@NoGodsNoMasters1885 6 жыл бұрын
Where can we find a comprehensive list of tax schemes, Tim? Great video!
@georgekwasiboatengaddo2563
@georgekwasiboatengaddo2563 8 жыл бұрын
There are several anti avoidance measures used by tax authorities to counter the Base erosion practises you described through thin cap and transfer pricing
@ramonbs6075
@ramonbs6075 3 жыл бұрын
Avoid taxes is a human right.
@Goreuncle
@Goreuncle 3 жыл бұрын
Education, healthcare, security, housing, etc... these are actual human rights and people have access to such things thanks to taxes. Good luck getting those in societies where people don't pay taxes.
@ramonbs6075
@ramonbs6075 3 жыл бұрын
@@Goreuncle I'm from Argentina. Good luck trusting the government to manage your money.
@abhinavitsmebellamy
@abhinavitsmebellamy 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Really well explained!!
@joseph3543
@joseph3543 5 жыл бұрын
Liked and subscribed within about 5 minutes, very good video. Thanks!
@gurupurkha
@gurupurkha 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the well done video. It is very easy to understand.
@chrisbowser
@chrisbowser 8 жыл бұрын
The very simple solution to this kind of tax manipulation is to insist that companies pay over 10% of their revenue to HMRC (on top of the 20% VAT) each quarter. This would be 'tax on account'. Then when the tax returns are filed the company would use this against the amount due. If they owe more they then pay that as normal 9 months & 1 day after the Year End, if they don't owe anymore they do not get a refund. This has the added benefit that the UK government would not need to borrow to fund welfare payments and pensions as it could use this tax in advance knowing that it did not need to hand it back. The same could be done for Sole Traders & Partnerships removing the need to ask for payments in January and July.
@DutchVikingGuy21
@DutchVikingGuy21 10 жыл бұрын
Sir, you're making a student who used to be miserable in finance subjects, very passionate and knowledgable. Many thanks!
@dumky
@dumky 5 жыл бұрын
Just curious: like the royalty trick, couldn't you set things up such that the UK stores are buying the paper cups and the coffee from the Starbucks cups sub-company in Holland? That would offer some latitude to shift profits from the UK to Holland.
@ek07305
@ek07305 6 жыл бұрын
How do you do this at a local level or with a small start up business?
@rakeshstha7
@rakeshstha7 7 жыл бұрын
agreed with 2nd and 3rd point but if you transfer interest income to usa from uk, you will be increasing the income of usa operation where corporate tax is higher than uk. So, is it good idea for group to charge interest on uk operation?
@AM-cx1ng
@AM-cx1ng 5 жыл бұрын
A bit of free information. These cases were part of the background that moved OECD Countries to take the decision of implenting the Base Erosion and Profit shifting project. Which last Action (Action 15 - Multilateral Instrument), was signed in 2017 and already came into effect in some countries. The mechanism were Tax Treaties, pricesly Double Tax Treaties, which in most part, follow the basic analytic structure as the Viena Convention over the Law of Treaties in 1969. So they implement a Master Treaty to integrate them into a common tax system, that in principle would make much easier to apply double tax treaties in an homogenous international environment (tax wise). It is logical, since the best ideas adopted by the most advanced economies on dealing with issues of treaty shopping, which is synonym of abusing loopholes in double tax treaties. The most common strategy these companies followed is dubbed the Double Irish Dutch Sandwich as a sort "technical tax jergon".
@didier566
@didier566 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! You make finance easy and understandable.
@ebo.neo.arcadia
@ebo.neo.arcadia 11 жыл бұрын
thanks for the explanation, were Google and Amazon capitalise on the same methods ?
@IanFosterServices
@IanFosterServices 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting tutorial for business owners.
@svetlanachernysheva6942
@svetlanachernysheva6942 5 жыл бұрын
The author doesn't take on account withholding tax(19%) from interest and royalties paid abroad. There are Double Taxation agreements between USA - UK, and Holland - UK, I know. But HMRC permission is required to pay interest or royalties out of tax.
@Greg-SurgeEquityResearch
@Greg-SurgeEquityResearch 2 ай бұрын
So well said. Sent this to my 15 year old and he loved it. You are so good at explaining!
@d-javu9840
@d-javu9840 9 жыл бұрын
Nice explaination, however, I thought the tax scheme includes Ireland in the story?
@jmo2230
@jmo2230 5 жыл бұрын
As of 2021 Holland is introducing a witholding tax on outgoing interest and royalties, to stop big multinationals incorporate so called 'mailbox-companies' in The Netherlands. The problem in this case was the fact that The Netherland until now does not have a withholding tax on royalties. So paid royalties by the dutch entity weren't taxed.The corporate tax rate is actually pretty average with 25% on profits.
@satishmallampalli2792
@satishmallampalli2792 5 жыл бұрын
Are the interests earned through intra-company debt taxable? Also earnings on Royalty Agreement is also taxable. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
@jtx8848
@jtx8848 3 жыл бұрын
Yes they are, but the rates in the US and Holland are much lower than UK I believe
@henrybn14ar
@henrybn14ar 5 жыл бұрын
The INCIDENCE of PAYE income tax and NI nominally paid by employees is on the employer. Add in UBR and VAT, and then it gives the real picture of the contribution a firm makes to the Exchequer.
@willho3557
@willho3557 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing so clearly. Kudos!!!
@SBTRIS
@SBTRIS 5 жыл бұрын
Simple fix, use personal income tax approach on companies. Initial revenue below threshold free, above that pay incrementally increasing percentage. Domestic businesses are suffering and as a result people get less pay, less overall wealth.
@abhilash8973
@abhilash8973 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir very well explained.
@svetlanachernysheva6942
@svetlanachernysheva6942 5 жыл бұрын
On top of that, it's so silly to move profit to USA, cause corporation tax higher. Transfer pricing requirements in USA should also be applied...
@av733
@av733 10 жыл бұрын
Great videos, people like you make me interested in this topic.
@ChristianPierreW
@ChristianPierreW 3 ай бұрын
I love your content. Thank you for taking the time.
@badrulhussain5545
@badrulhussain5545 3 жыл бұрын
Hi mate, can small Ltd business apply these skills. Or it's only big corporate that can?
@attentionpeople2326
@attentionpeople2326 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, Thank you.
@ivandracavalcanti9714
@ivandracavalcanti9714 4 жыл бұрын
Is SB an ipo? Is it a good company to buy shares ?
@Nikhil-oi9fn
@Nikhil-oi9fn 9 жыл бұрын
This guy is brilliant. It's so easy to understand.
@ptmagrath
@ptmagrath 3 жыл бұрын
The carry forward of losses is not a trick or a scam, it makes sense to allow a startup or a business that is struggling in a particular year to utilizes losses against other years profits. There is no such thing as a year-end, it is a fictitious point in time to measure profits and performance only. He completely misses things like Management Fees and the charge for actual goods (raw materials, partially or fully finished goods) which allows the shifting of profits as well. Imagine you grow coffee in Burma, they have a low tax rate there ...why not jack up the price of the coffee you sell to the UK to keep more profit in the low tax country ...brilliant .....
@szury
@szury 8 жыл бұрын
Ok but if they 'move' the money from the UK to the US, won't they have to pay taxes anyway in the US for that 'interest'?
@luphelele
@luphelele 8 жыл бұрын
+GamingDeluxe i stand corrected, but my understanding is that while the interest does constitute income, in some jurisdictions(not sure if this applies to the US), because it is foreign interest, it is exempt from taxation. In this way, the interest escapes taxation. So the idea in these companies is to shift income around between different jurisdictions so that they are either exempt from paying taxes on their income or they pay lower taxes. Hope this answers your question
@Unfashionnable
@Unfashionnable 8 жыл бұрын
would still make financial sense for them if us income tax is smaller than uk corporation taxes - cost benefit analysis.
@TunaDumpling
@TunaDumpling 5 жыл бұрын
I like this guys explainations. Quite fantastic I must say.
@MrBeograd1997
@MrBeograd1997 5 жыл бұрын
But if uk doesnt pay tax then USA will pay for intrest or Holand for Brand Landing so on the end comapany as a whole pay the same ?
@pradeepr9784
@pradeepr9784 11 жыл бұрын
Tim, When Starbucks UK pays interest to its US parent company, the company has to anyway pay tax on the interest income in the US. Why doesn't Starbucks lend money from a subsidiary in a tax haven instead? Say, Starbucks UK could take on debt from Starbucks Luxembourg and then Starbucks Luxembourg does not have to pay tax on the interest income?
@jeroenvonmorgen1413
@jeroenvonmorgen1413 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video I like it. Holland is only two provinces of the Netherlands though and you talk about tax set by countries ;)
@ruisantos4520
@ruisantos4520 10 жыл бұрын
The reason why SB do this, assuming they do, is because Corporate tax for companies is too high. Countries need to realize that Company corporate taxes need to take in consideration by default 3 things ... 1- Type of business.... Not all types of business are the same and in many cases the profit is just matematical and not real 2- Quantity of employees-job creation capacity, deduct for ex 1% for each 20 workers the company have ... 3- Regional deduction ( for some countries ) ... IF THIS 3 facts are in the TAX system NO COMPANY will go into this kind of trouble and exercise to escape taxes... Countries ASSUME by default that corporation and business are bad guys... Answer is no... Corporations and businessmen are human beeings that will pay all taxes they should if they consider it fair ... IF the 3 factos above are taken in consideration the tax system will be FAIR.
@mohammadsultan639
@mohammadsultan639 6 жыл бұрын
Rui Santos No they wouldn't they'd still find ways to reduce tax they pay for the exact reason you suggested; they're human. Humans are greedy by nature to maximise chances of survival. Their greatest desires are to maximise profit and minimise losses and as far as they're concerned, tax is a loss that needs to be minimised.
@andy199121
@andy199121 6 жыл бұрын
I would place a 99% certainty that the majority shareholders of SB earn more in a month than you will in a lifetime. Tax is the only vehicle we have to slow the rate of capitalism, I.e the rich getting richer. If anything the people at the top of society should pay a hell of a lot more than at the bottom in percentage terms. The equivalent of Spain’s GDP is underpaid every year in tax globally.... Next time before defending these companies and directors, consider who has to pay for the school your children go to, the hospital your grandparents go to, how on Earth you will afford houses after the rich have used them as investment portfolios and driven up the prices. These people take so much out and try their damned hardest to put nothing back. Tax avoidance is as bad for society as tax evasion, legal or not.
@marklittler784
@marklittler784 5 жыл бұрын
It seems the more a company makes the lower the percentage of tax paid
@lameduck1690
@lameduck1690 5 жыл бұрын
It's only "too high" if you're a greedy sociopath. The United States only taxes profits.
@ten_tego_teges
@ten_tego_teges 5 жыл бұрын
They're not human, Starbucks isn't owned by a person, it's owned by other private equity funds like pension funds. These people largely don't give a damn about the business, as long as share prices grow. And whatever proves you have more money at the end of the year works for them. It's distributed responsibility: CEO's feel pressure from shareholders, who feel pressure from investors, who don't even know where the money is going. This system is built to encourage very weird "on paper" behavior and shady tax practices, because no single person can really be blamed for it. That is the reason why companies like Microsoft, which make billions of dollars of profit keep restructuring every year, firing people are getting new ones with no real logic: they need to prove they're making better profit, so they send orders to HR and HR demands cuts in teams, despite the fact that business is actually going fine. Corporations are actually really inefficient, cause it's really hard to run organisations that are too big. But they make up with marketing tax cuts and many other practices that only work when you're sufficiently large.
@cfdProptrader
@cfdProptrader Жыл бұрын
When I was wondering about offshore company, MoneyWeek gave me an solution , Thank you.
@Cippinator
@Cippinator 6 жыл бұрын
How can we link the third step "past losses" to the specific case of Starbucks?
@robbyduffy1
@robbyduffy1 11 жыл бұрын
I agree that as long as the profits are taxed in some country then that's 'fine'. It actually just shows a need for a reworking of the rules and perhaps internationalisation of such rules.
@MrVipulLal
@MrVipulLal 5 жыл бұрын
All your videos are great. Thanks !
@tjahangon7286
@tjahangon7286 4 жыл бұрын
Very clear. Well explained. Thank you
@ppumpkin3282
@ppumpkin3282 3 жыл бұрын
This is kind of silly, so basically Starbucks pays little tax, because it makes little money 1) it has past losses, it is recovering. 2) it's paying interest on its investment 3) it's paying royalty fees. If any of these transactions are invalid, than that's another issue. But so far nothing indicates that these expenses are invalid.
@Goreuncle
@Goreuncle 3 жыл бұрын
then* Also, you might want to watch the video again. A chunk of the profit is converted to royalties and interest, which Starbucks ends up cashing. Basically, Starbucks pretends to make less money, by concocting fake costs.
@TXLionHeart
@TXLionHeart 4 жыл бұрын
In 2012 (when this video was made), the US had a corporate tax rate of 35%. Why would a company charge itself a high interest rate in the UK, who has a corp. tax rate of 25%, only to have to pay a higher tax rate on the interest revenue in the US?
@emmafrost13333
@emmafrost13333 6 жыл бұрын
* I've just realised this video is from 2012. So here are some updates: Firstly, the interest issue is covered by anti-avoidance legislation such as Transfer pricing, Thin Cap, Worldwide debt cap. The trade loss is not a tax avoidance method, as the loss was made in UK. It can't transfer a loss from overseas. It is not a relevant example. Indeed, the royalties method was one that SB used, although this was not the main one. The main factor was SB made a Co in another country, smt like Starbucks Switzerland if I recall, from which SB UK buys it's beans. SB made the cost of the beans high enough that they would have no profits. Now there is an anti-avoidance rule, 'Diverted Profits Tax' which HMRC made specially for this type of schemes (the Google tax lol). But somehow SB's lawyers managed to convince the courts that they had 'magic beans' which could not be compared to market value, and their inflated prices were accurate. However, thanks to the bad publicity they paid some tax at the time, and are now making/declaring profits to not lose customers.
@markn6071
@markn6071 6 жыл бұрын
Q, so if a company wanted to buy another company could they debt fund themselves and pay themselves the interest to avoid tax also.
@Miquelll8000
@Miquelll8000 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain to me how ther shell company Alki fits in this?
@DylanBasu
@DylanBasu Жыл бұрын
You have very interesting videos. Thank you again for a very good example. Was very grateful. Good job!
@Gnolomweb
@Gnolomweb 7 жыл бұрын
just to throw it out there. there $$ has to go somewhere---there are never "no taxes" unless you're spending heavily period. A company/person either spends on growth, or they are taxed while they save up for something. the only exception is a community which employs, feeds and houses itself. while the umbrella corporation pays "wages" that are offset by standard and personal exemptions.
@Vengeance703
@Vengeance703 4 жыл бұрын
Easy to understand explanation. Thanks. Respect from India.
@AlexisBaret
@AlexisBaret 11 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for your videos they really help
@eddiekoh9331
@eddiekoh9331 4 жыл бұрын
UK has no withholding tax for Interest and royalty? the profit needs to be recognised eventually within the group, and unless the profit is eventually recognise in a lower tax countries, these method don't save much, right?
@cxjiek
@cxjiek 7 жыл бұрын
In summary - paying interest to related company, paying royalty to related company thats setupped in a tax haven, utilise prior years losses.
@FocusProj
@FocusProj 11 жыл бұрын
You forget about cost transfers, like Apple does in Spain, internal sales are so high that barley leave any profits to be taxed in Spain so the profits are taxed in Ireland at 10% instead at 25% in Spain.
@akulbansal5316
@akulbansal5316 5 жыл бұрын
How does inter-company funding help save tax? Looking at the example you gave, wouldn't Starbucks's HQ in USA pay tax on the interest income? So all you did is pay the same amount of tax but in a different country! Please explain this to me. Thank you
@40rty7even4
@40rty7even4 5 жыл бұрын
Also any successful business will open more branches, and spend on advertising and marketing to expand its brand. Spend profits back on the business rather than paying tax.
@philipritson8821
@philipritson8821 4 жыл бұрын
There is more! Transfer prices. Charges for intercompany services being two! Abolish company tax and tax shareholders at higher rates in the jurisdictions in which they reside and the whole problem goes away!
@swilhelm3180
@swilhelm3180 5 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is why large companies bother with low tax places like Holland or Ireland and not base themselves in zero tax offshore areas?
@MatthewBester
@MatthewBester 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I will hazard a guess this whole convoluted system had to be created out of necessity to avoid corporation tax rises in the past?
@glennt1962
@glennt1962 5 жыл бұрын
The financing of the setup cost for Holland Starbucks would be by UK Starbucks and Holland Starbucks will pay the 6% of their sales to UK Starbucks? Some sort of corporate negative gearing. I never buy coffee myself, can't see the point in spending so much, don't know why so many people do. That's what I call value adding.
@whome5810
@whome5810 2 жыл бұрын
Won't there be UK witholding tax taken off the interest payments to the head office in the USA?
@paramagarwal1997
@paramagarwal1997 4 жыл бұрын
can someone please explain his 2nd method (royalty agreement)? why will the UK arm of Starbucks infuse 6% of sales revenue in Holland arm of Starbucks?
@SuperSlipperyone
@SuperSlipperyone 11 жыл бұрын
great vid, thanks
@baxter265
@baxter265 5 жыл бұрын
Companies don’t pay taxes, they add those prices to the product they sell, so the customer pays the taxes. Taxes are part of the cost of the product like coffee, cups, employees, etc.
@ya55er4008
@ya55er4008 5 жыл бұрын
how individuals could reduce tax legally?
@Murtazahuss
@Murtazahuss 11 жыл бұрын
Great Vid!
@chenartahir1865
@chenartahir1865 3 жыл бұрын
Please make playlist for your videos
@Pagan1Huayra
@Pagan1Huayra 11 жыл бұрын
But the Corporate tax rate in the Netherlands is 25% as well. So how are they making a profit? Or are royalties taxed at a different rate?
@mat1050
@mat1050 4 жыл бұрын
looking in to tax havens that are legal... looks like Jersey The Cayman Islands or the Bahamas are great choices. Any experience on this or pointers? Thanks
@jordigomezsalas7450
@jordigomezsalas7450 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video, easy to follow!
@vapa5761
@vapa5761 5 жыл бұрын
He definitely makes good videos. Learnt a lot from his videos
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