They are planning on phasing out classics is why.

I gave up on Classic :(. @Nixiom have you ever done anything in Allods Online?

Have you done any research about Wotlk Classic before making this video? 60% of the video is you bashing OG Wrath for stupid reasons and the other 40% is a bit about Blizzard and some random b******t just to make it 14min. Wotlk Classic is maybe forgotten but not Wotlk, learn the difference TBC fanboy.

for me it was the fact blizzard was so woke you cant put king into a char name in a xpac called wrath of the litch king.... because king is too offensive lol but you can put queen in your name. lol that alone kinda ruined wrath classic for me :/ even tho i was super excited at first to play it also the fact that the community in classic wrath IS AND WAS nothing like the original community. its has shown me that the real reason wow is dead today is not wow its self but its shit community today in compairison to back then ..... but yea when you ruin immersion to be more *woke* and sensitive. It ruins the experience. that also does not help. idk i dont think wow has ever been really that good. What made the game sooooo damn fucking good was not the game but the community itself. somthing that just is not the same and probably neverrrrr will be :/ i mean wow its self was a culture at one point in time :/ also does not help ascension always steals me back from games anymore lolol

another content creator video with push and pull tecnique. guys you all didnt figured out. that every succesfull ccreator does this with every single game ...since the new yt algorythm idk since 10years? this game is fckkkk awesome . new game gets out thiiiis game is deaaaaaaaad. nobody carrrrrres. this game is the new 20y old playable game. this game iiiis dead allllll the time. guys you dont need nixxiom. go and log in into wrath. start dungeonfinder gamma : EVEN AS DAMAGEDEALER you find in max 4min a group middle in the night. on prime time in 1-2min. this is NUTS this is overpopulation. 2min que time as dd? ....yeah sure dead.....*sarcasm* guyssss its me nixiom blizzard or my managers dont pay me to bring this video out because cataclysm is coming and there are NO WOTLK ERA REALMS...no no no toootally not guys...im a honest person. trust me. no need to be sad that we are getting in 2-3years to Shadowlands classic. because ...wrath is kinda weird guys as i sayed !!! *sarcasm off* guys one tipp. compare old videos about same topic from big tech youtubers and compare it to game releases and also see that theyre all syncrhon saying always the same things. just enjoy what u play and stop listening to this liars.

They are popular because you don't have to PVE for PVP gear.

I had the same experience. I was really enjoying the launch, but as time went on, I realized that something was missing. The game hadn't changed, but I had. I'm just much older now. And the longer I was continuing to play, the more I felt like I was tainting those beautiful memories I cherished playing WOTLK as a kid.

@@lilpuddin1560 i opened this video to give me a reason to play maybe, but after seeing this comment. I feel the absolute same way I just dont want to accept the fact im done with a game ive been so attached to.

first patch is fucking bad and gearing feels like shit too thats why i quit

Yeah, it's how it's always been.

This has nothing to do game mechanics but everything with bots and WoW Token.

Yea, a lot has changed. like Blizzard employees and leadership. It stinks of their incompetence and lack knowledge about Wotlk. Letting Wotlk untouched with stupid changes would have been a better decision than what they have done until now. People will just return to private servers when Wotlk classic ends, like Warmane.

Well then why is classic popping off right now if times have changed? Era and hardcore seem to be doing way better than wrath right now and it came out 4 years before.

@@ambridge6645 Who's fault is that? Join a guild. Problem solved. I've never interacted with a GDKP. The fact people complain about the game and do nothing to fix the problem they themselves put me in really tells me a lot - that you're either really lazy or really hard to get on with and thus no guild will have you. And the bar is so low!

It was the fully manifestation of the endgame conveyor belt to hamster wheel forever model. After another 15 of other expansions doing that, especially legion and onwards, WotLK seems like a fuckin joke by comparison and only holds up because of nostalgia and level of relevance to wow’s lore.

Depends on the person. For some, this is absolutely true

Numbers prove people disagree with you, as wrath has more active weekly raiders than retail and than vanilla and tbc.

@@cococock2418The amount of people raiding =/= the amount of people playing. A ton of the population playing vanilla are enjoying the leveling content and/or doing hardcore. In retail, there's tons of things to do outside raiding. In WoltK all you have to do at max level is raiding lol.

@@Robzeke I'm learning this the hard way, just got to level 80 as ret pally and I've been grinding AV to get a full pvp set, just to find that there's practically no one doing arena's anymore ;(

I started playing WotLK 2 month before they annunce the wow token, I could'n find a guild that do regular raid, all was GDKP. I stopped playing when they annunce the wow token.

@@Gimli234 There are guilds out there and they are crying out for new members all the time. So your comment puzzles me. Were you on a dead realm?

streamers do whatever is trendy or popular for clicks to make $$$ , since HC classic is popular they all jump on that band wagon at the same time

@@stevejeffrey11 pretty much, but if you check numbers WotLK has by far more players than classic era and HC combined. Even if you assume people have more characters to raid with in WotLK, log numbers are about 10 times bigger than in classic era.

@@JPJgamer wotlk is such a better game than vanilla with proper working talent trees, dual spec, viable specs in pvp/pve etc i was just saying streamers do whatever is popular to capitalize on trends $$

Ye streamers think game is dead cuz they only get 50 spectators It's just nobody cares of watching wotlk streams, playing the game by yourself is a better way to spend your time 😂 But partially he's right, the main issue is that players just care only of logs, the amount of people interested in doing achievs/pvp is pretty low

Same here with me. I got to 80 and realized the absolute hair pulling experience it would be to get to the point of where I could raid. But the reality of having to sit there and spend hours to form dungeons groups really hit me hard when I got there. Or having to relevel professions again was just prohibitive. If they had put LFD in the game from the beginning it might have been different. My computer also crapped out and I was a month late getting started and by the time I did they were already checking gearscore and asking for achievements to get invites. The game is only for hardcore elites that have nothing but time on their hands. Not for people like me that don't have time to sit in trade chat and try to form groups.

@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 agreed, I had all the time as a kid, but not so much as an adult now. It baffles me how people have time to play Classic hardcore.

@@collincorbell I was in my mid 20's, I had just finished school and was working on the weekend nights only about 20 hours a week while looking for full time work when I started playing in Wrath. The next year I didn't have time to do the same thing even then. When I got a full time job my playstyle had to change. If it wasn't for LFD I would have quit altogether. When I got the job. I was already in full t10 gear and my brother and I pugged an ICC 25 man for three hours everyone Sunday that always got 7 bosses in three hours down to keep progressing. I got my Lich King kill the night before Cata's prepatch when my guild had saved run and needed me to fill in. What was fun then feel's like work now. For a busy casual Dragonflight is so much more fun for me. I have 9 classes at max level all with current tier 4 piece sets because it's so easy to catch up. You don't have to be elite to feel like you're progressing and getting better. I have fun on my alts but if I have the opportunity to do something more difficult I hop over to my main which is ready to go do to the gearing system and can absolutely shred dps like I always have without having to be super hardcore. Am I maxing out like I was back in Wrath? No, I was the highest geared Ret paladin on my server at the end of Wrath, but it's just not sustainable. I think that's why a lot of players have learned to monetize their gameplay just to be able to keep up that style of play. And I have never understood the people chasing world first's. I just assumed it was a bunch of trust fund babies with some of the best hand eye coordination on the planet who can afford to do that stuff.

​@@collincorbellclassic hc u can just log in and do whatever, the end goal isn't raiding for most people, it's how far can u get

@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 in wotlk you absolutely need to have a guild if you're not into pvp. Since I have one I haven't had any pressure to get gear, but with alts I can feel the issue. Every alt I've levelled just hits 80 and goes to garbage. Until we get LFG of course, which is so funny to me that THE system which people blamed WoW's problems on the most before Classic will be the savior for many people. Not gonna bother trying to find regular hc dungeon groups for 2k gs characters before LFG comes out.

This is why I play ESO and single player RPGs and open world games.

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 I just love to create new tanks characters and level them up through lfd and make another so I can experience all of the old dungeons again easily. Call me lazy but that is what I enjoyed and retail doesn't have the feel to play tools like classic to wotlk has.

Anyone who thinks that is just wrong. Wotlk was already struggling before Naxx ended. Pretty much all the fresh servers that were completely filled and consistently had multiple hour queues were completely empty before Ulduar even released. The token was the result of wotlk losing players, not the cause. Nobody wants to admit that wotlk, and classic in general, just isn't the game that people remember it to be. People want new things, and wotlk wasn't new. There's a good reason that HC is doing so well, and it's because it makes the game feel completely different.

For whatever reason, when recording this little rant last night (you can probably tell none of this was scripted), I never even thought about the Token, the bots, etc. 100% agree. Now that I think about it, the moment that they announced the Token for WotLK I stopped playing entirely. That, combined with the lack of attention the bots were getting as they overran servers; that didn't help either. A shame though! Maybe we'll get another shot at a proper WotLK experience some time in the future. Classic Classic WotLK when?

I guess thats a part of it but imo wrath feels meh, granted i didnt play it back in the day so I dont care, only got to lvl 77 before giving up on the tiring questing hubs. Im back in classic era though almost 60 ready to raid mc again😂

Yup that's why I quit

Surely it's not the reality of the limited and mediocre amount of content. Everyone quit because of the way people can pay for the subscription.

Tbh, I skipped tbc entirely. Was burned out after Naxx and doing all the world buffs and stuff. But I have played a lot of TBC on private servers over the years and I usually enjoy it better than Wotlk since at least playing alts was a lot of fun to do, considering I enjoy the progression of TBC. Now Wotlk is just a waiting room for Cata, which is my favorite expansion... might be a one of a kind player...

Yup same complaints from back in the day. And the problem is that Wrath raids become too hard for Vanilla players, so they have nothing to do in Wrath. People don't understand that players started leaving WoW in 3.2 way before Cata, it's just that more new players were coming, but you can visibly see the plateau in sub numbers if you don't believe me, I was there, my guildies were leaving, and then the guild went away by Cata. Though I think 10 man normal is an excellent base difficulty and blizzard should have communicated that it is the base difficulty and everything above it is extra and those extra difficulties shouldn't give higher ilvl, they should give you an extra gem socket here and there, better looking gear and better looking or exlcusive mounts, achievements and such. This solves the power creep and makes it so that most players know that 10 man normal is what they are supposed to play.

@@markomancikas Cata is a better WotLK in every single way, except it doesn't have a raid tier in 4.1 and LFR is NOT a proper replacement for WotLK's 10 Man Normal raid difficulty. Cata brought the dungeon and raid depth and complexity to a new level, had the best PVP until SL or even DF, best class design until SL and DF, 1-60 revamp was great(I thought I'd hate it back in the day, but after playing it I loved it), had great expansion leveling zones, it had the Molten Front, all the systems from Wrath were polished and improved - tabard reputation was nicer to do and the rewards were better and justice/valor is better than badges and so on. It added void storage and reforging. Cata also had full dungeon tiers, we had a dungeon tier for every raid tier, which is awesome and much better than just increasing the ilvl of the existing dungeons.

​@@ivankovachev8835agree. People only hate cata because of the last phase which, yes was trash.. the rest of it was WoW at its peak.

@@conormaher2283 "Yes was trash", can you elaborate, I don't understand what you mean.

Yeah, I agree man. I personally do have time to raid, but I just dont really have any desire to. It was fun back in the day, like what loot the bosses gonna drop, what mechanics they gonna have, there was so much interest and wonder in world. Now every single thing is made into a guide, database etc. Every1 wants to clear raid as fast as possible with most FOM spec and class. Even back in TBC I didnt raid not only because I didnt have time, but because I wanted to play a rogue and nobody needed rogues in raids. Also boosts is a major downside of that, GDKP raids, where people literally buy gold to buy items so made game p2w. Even the token that was added. But I play this game out of nostalgia from time to time and I wish we had Wrath Era servers so you can play them for a long time. I enjoy leveling alts, doing fishing dailies and hunting mounts etc. It just became less social for me and more like a single player game.

Unfortunately, #3 is intended to be part of the solution to #1. I wholeheartedly agree with you on #2. I’d love to play realms where logging and addons are disabled. This applies to retail too.

2 and 3 are the most relevant, 1 i don't really agree since it only applies to raid and i can do pvp no problem. 2. is especially the deal breaker since everyone thinks they are super hardcore and only want meta player when every class and spec can clear most content easily, even in wrath. Also classic hardcore is a better game than wrath since it solve all point due to it's focus on leveling and easy raids (expect nax), yes even point 1 since there is no rush to 60 and you will probably die anyway so it's just a focus on taking your time and have an adventure.

No farming and megaservers with only 1 faction completely destroy the spirit of the game. Then they added the wow token which devalues every single form of farming that helps keep servers feeling alive. If all you're left with is raid logging or searching for the most convenient GDKP, then most people simply stop caring about the game. The feeling of community dies when there's no other reason to log onto the game.

Totally agree. I was so excited to play classic especially tbc when it first came out but what killed it for me is that the people have changed from when I first played. Back then I met so many cool people and had a lot of great experiences because of the people I met while leveling. Now nobody wants to talk anymore, they just want to be boosted to raid logging content. The culture is just different now and that’s what killed my drive to play.

Legion really did keep me entertained with content right up until the end.

I restarted about a week ago, hit level 80, nearly got 5k gs now, it takes forever to find a group for just about anything as dps and I've never found it so difficult to get into a guild, everyone wants unreasonable gs and experienced players that have already run all of the content, i'm just considering going purely to HC now but it sucks there aren't any OCE servers

thats why cata classic is the way to go, all u mentioned above is enhanced in cata xd

yea since vanilla light's hope chapel was hinted as having some supepr natural aura and holy feature attributed to it. I think in legion the reason was revealed but idr I never finished it as priest

@@gokibros4451It’s because of the literal basement full of paladins /s

stay sweaty, gamers @@sninctbur3726

I disagree. I loved wrath most of all, but this time around, we've been really left out to die. Blizzard has not shown any level of care for the wrath classic community. Classic in general, we've just been neglected. With gold farming bots not being banned, RMT, GDKPs, wow token, store mount, level boosts. This just doesn't feel like classic

classic and hc started booming? do you mean initiate hype like wrath?

Do you want to say that there is only leveling, dungeons and raids in wow and everyone is sooner or later raidlogging til ... legion that brings m+ ?

Huh? WOTLK play is the exact same as TBC and Vanilla, like hell Vanilla was Raid log to the EXTREME compared to TBC and wotlk. Couldnt even play your fucking main until the chronoboon or w/e its called came out... so you HAD to alt, but if people didnt sweat WBs it would of been just as raid loggy. The ONLY reason alting became so heavily popular in the vast majority of players is because of WB meta and the massive rise of GDKP runs. like FFS majority of people bought gold or did GDKPS then paid to get mage boosted in dungeons, they didnt even level legit. How are we only like 4 years out of Classic and people ALREADY are nostalgia goggling Classic and forgetting all the BS, min maxing shit that contradicted the whole spirit of Classic wow in the first place. I dont get it.

This isn’t even remotely true lmao. HC was completely dead during togc until the official servers came out. And classic era servers are dead outside of one which only Had a few thousand players anyway. People just are coping and seething they wrath, just like tbc, has more active weekly raiders than blizzard main game of garbage retail. Cope and seethe shitters. I also find it hilarious how you call wrath more of a single player game than vanilla, a game where people literally logged on to get world buffs then logged off til Tuesday.

Absolutely. Also I hear people asking for like 1 year of ICC and they clearly don't know what a long tier means for the game

TotGC is the worst raid in WoW's history, considering it's a wrath raid and not a vanilla one. And the complaints are the same as back in the day it seems. People were complaining that raids, dungeons and PVP is all there was in WoW until the Molten front. And Raids in wrath got too hard for casual players. Same with heroic dungeons, which were easier than TBC heroics, but many people struggled with them still.

All that and you can add the (toxic min max) community as a whole + gdkp.

@@Kyrrua_ Very true.

Was the same back in the day too. People were board AF

Yeah. WC2 DKs were a completely different type of creature than DKs created by the Lich King. The ones from DK2 were the souls of dead warlocks being channeled into a human corpse through a rune blade (can't remember the exact name of the weapon). They didn't have the original soul of the body being inhabited nor were they typical undeath magic.

@@clintmcbride7830 frostmourne and that rune magic was from the "ever frost"

@@trollmctrollington3693 so still different types of creatures

And with RDF out now... sure I get to easily run dungeons but it's not the same. I'm not "living in a virtual world" anymore, I'm queueing up for matches in battlefield or gears of war... combine that with the fact that these people are in other servers, I'll never see them again. I can't even force a party with them of my own accord... thats not sharing game space. Thats not an mmo...

Not even a factor.

@@smolpener7430 But it is... Lots of people moved to HC. I have friends that play both retail and classic, and with the HC release and we waiting for next patch of DF, they went to HC for a while. Also there are people in regular classic. That is the issue with having so many versions. And people still asking for classic plus rofl.

@@josejuanandrade4439 I think Classic+ would be a continuation of classic, or from WoTLK would be my preference, just ditch Cata and start fresh with a new expansion, personally I'd love to go straight to Lordaeron after Northrend and have a full expansion of proper ally vs horde to retake the Undercity and rebuild Lordaeron, but from what I have seen personally there's heaps of people playing WoTLK classic, sadly alot of those players are the min/max gdkp type

I tried a bit of Sod and I can't really understand how can players still play on vanilla Wotlk feels a lot better..

That's partially why I lose interest in WoTLK classic, it feels so much more min/maxy than previous expansions and I feel like people care too much about that stuff