I kinda feel for Yamamuro. He use to out out quality art back in the day. The stuff he puts out now is just not the same. Excellent video as always.

You ever just think he’s just tired of drawing the same shit almost every time and he just keeps getting more and more lazy with it?

2:47 Before he used perspective, making the forehead bigger and the rest of the face smaller, because it is facing down, therefore it being further away from our eyes. In the other one, everything is the same size, making it look stiff.

i 100% agree on the colors point, the more pink-ish skin shading of old DBZ always looked alot better and more appealing than the curent "just a darker grey tone of the current skin color" shading color used in basically any modern anime, it always looks soo bland and boring

To this day I still don't know how he keeps on using this style and sees it as a good thing

THIS IS BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC BREAKDOWN AS AN ARTIST. GREAT STUFF MY MAN

Basically the artstyle today is just "too clean" its like vector heavy with very little color fades or blending

There’s a documentary about the brutal lives of shonen animators. I can totally understand why he dropped in quality over the years. Definitely worth a watch.

Maybe he doesn’t care anymore, but it def misses the spirit, not as lively

It's simple, he's not using perspective to give the art more character.

luckily the recent movie was absolutely gorgeous

what happened to SSJ2 electric? God it looks terrible in super. always been my favorite form. now they never use it and when they do it just looks odd like they added it in as an after thought

I'd almost say he's tired. It feels like he's cutting corners to be done with his work as quickly as possible: now things like clenched fists and neck muscles have been reduced to straight lines, hair is nothing but directionless spikes, foreshortening, shading and expressions in general feel like the basic idea put into a sketch carried out to be a final piece without any corrections done to it, more complex poses become a rough connection of body parts (5:06 is a great example, look at the lines Goku's sides draw in each one) and all in all I think the man is tired of dragon ball.

Before, they value quality than quantity. Now, they need to rush things up to be able to meet with the deadlines.

Honestly, looking at these drawings I don't believe same person drew them, deadlines etc don't just make you forget fundamentals of drawing, the examples on the left are amazing craftsmanship, while the ones on the right literally look like a student drawing, even with less time a draftsman on that level wouldn't just throw all his fundamentals out the window, not trying to shit on the video or anything, I just don't believe the same man made these drawings, how accurate is that info/where is it from, i don't know if you could even draw that bad if you tried if you already have such strong fundamentals, things are definitely not adding up here

5:06 perfect side to side comparison of why the new Super artstyle (not Broly's) was just so jarring to look at. Characters felt so much more real before because of the detailed linework, deep shading, and the anatomy/perspective felt "real" in the old style. The new style throws that out for a brighter visual pop, but sacrifices in all other aspects. Like you said it isn't necessarily bad but if we're comparing it to the old style then it objectively is. Characters feel so flat in Super. Hits in Super don't have any oomph to them. Characters moving around seems more like them flailing than actual high speed movement. The best animation that is glued to my memory is the UI fights and the Rosé ones. When Super is good, it was on point. But majority of the time they were so off I couldn't help but notice. Ball/Z wasn't perfect but even their worst animations seemed a couple steps above Supers worst

The way the eye's and eyebrows were drawn for the characters in 1993 was badass for me🔥

Dragon ball super is stiff and looks cheap. The characters also look extremely shiny. Also everything is outlined with dark black.

Still one of the best up and coming dragon ball tubers can’t way to see more out of you my dude

Akira and Yamamuro's work on Z is what inspired me to draw.

Thank you for teaching me the proper way to color, shade and define shape. I have learned a lot. 🌟❤️

brilliant video, helped me to understand a different and more effective way to shade my characters. thanks a ton.

i did learn a lot thank you. This was very educational and will help my grown as a artist.

even tho this is a small channel, its my favorite channel for dragon ball discussion/info. i really appreciate your videos and how you go into the technicalities of db art. lots of ♡♡♡☆

I like the way you point out the details A man of culture

5:06 I also noticed in the right side is the hair doesn't go down naturally. Like if you observe it properly it just looks like a supersaiyan 2 hair then the hair just go downwards unnaturally to become ssj3. The pose also looks less dynamic and the colors looks more shinier and lighter which gives the illustration less expressivity.

Excellent Video, You trully know a lot about artwork and character art in general, and not only that you know how to explain it so well. Subscribed. I want to see more videos like this. keep it up!

So happy to see you explain what I've been feeling for the longest about the art but don't know enough to explain it

I got this on my recommendations today, i'm glad i found your channel.

For me, the only thing I dont like about modern DB color was the white shine parts (highlight) on the skin. It just look like a rubber skin. I prefer they just use 2 tone of color or at least not that pure white color.

Thank you so much for this video! It puts to words some of the things I intuited by watching Super but didn't have the artistic experience or knowledge to communicate.

Love these art analysis vids 😁 keep it up man👍

This was a pretty good video but I did notice a couple of issues with it that go against your argument unintentionally. The SSJ3 Goku Dragonfist and Dual SSB Vegeta and Goku drawings that were used as “Modern Yamamuro” examples were not actually made by him. It’s made by a promo artist who’s worked on the series for a very long time, but the problems with his work are similar to Yamamuro’s and it could be said it’s worse than modern Yamamuro. I think talking about the inaccurate muscle structure and the overuse of line by Yamamuro would’ve helped strengthen the video, but I assume most people know about that is. Other than that, it was pretty good and informative to those who wouldn’t know why people don’t like modern Yam.

Great video, I’m always wondering about these questions and the videos you make are good

This was a great video man,learned a lot 👍

Nicely explained and analyzed. I don't know much about artists and animators in the industry but I agreed with every single point The change to digital made the artwork feel much more stiffer and less tridimensional, it is a real shame.

Good thing we have Yuya Takahashi His art style really resambles the majin buu saga style, and his animation is satisfying to watch

Super lacks the grit of the original series.

11:50 Goku's left arm is drawn to be slightly bigger than the right arm.

I think another problem with his current work is the way he draws hair. 8:34 shows what I mean. The hair on the left is curved and the hair strands point in different directions to make it flow while the hair in the right is basically just straight lines that don't look like it's soft and would flow with the wind or their auras. Even when it does flow, the shape of the hair makes it look weird. Interesting vid to see an analysis of why the artwork looks so different

How didn't i know about this channel before? OMG this video is incredible

Thank you for articulating this so well.

great video man, make more !! i find this stuff so interesting. i fell in love with his older work crazy to think hes part of super , maybe he got bored of drawing dragon ball

80’s and 90’s Yamamuro is the goat, it was the perfect dbz art style

Im working on a fan project in the dragon ball verse, and these videos are helping me alot 😂 I was having trouble pinpointing all the differences between the DBZ and DBS styles and i really want that OG look.

Been following you on insta for a minute and Found your KZfaq by complete accident but these videos are sick, keep it up

This was really smart and educational! I've always wondered what exactly made the difference between yamamuro when he's bad and when he's good. It's such a shame that he made a huge fall from Grace but at least with heroes, he seems to be getting better. Also, I'm really digging your channel man. The way you do the videos are really well made and it feels like you should have more subs. You edit like the pros.

great video! also did minoru maeda leave after the frieza arc? he’s one of my favorite db animators/artists. i really like how he draws faces and heads and the line quality and variation is really nice.

Currently trying to get better at drawing, this video is actually giving me some pointers! Even though that's not really the intention of this video, thanks!

Well explained. I don't always agree but I think this can help some people understand some things that are important about artstyles.

Yoooo your pfp looks like it could be totally not marks stoner brother xD good video, fam. You've got yourself a subscriber!

OK this video is great u deserve more subscribers

Totally unrelated to the topic of the video but I love your choice of music for the first song that's like my favorite track from dragon ball

I dont even know who this video is about but this is such a good video on color theory that I put it in my favorites reguardless holy crap

This is a good analysis. I really miss the old at work.

tbh if db fans complain about yamamuro, i kinda understand it...at least if it's not totally disrespectful. But i think as artists we can still learn from his work. I often find it so confusing when twitter kids who can't even draw yet call him straight trash while they could improve a lot by studying his work.

It's alright we still have Yuya Takahashi. The way he does the characters is Super similar.

This channel is just.. *so* underrated

Rip Yamamuro and Toriyama's creativity :'(

Great breakdown

Good video man😀

Classic Yam is still my favorite artist.

hilights from "yo son goku and his friends return"looked pretty good from what i remember

Great video man

Good video. I'm very mixed, I'm a fan of his work but the new talent sort of has a more fresh feel, if he ever animates the return of super, hopefully it has improvements

Thank you, this is a bid deal for some people because it’s all how you remember it.

Good stuff bro

Really interesting video

We should send this video to Toei. Congratulations ForgottenRelics.

Cool!! Keep it up! 😎

TOP looked like there was a *DRAMATIC* Filter on all the time.

There isn't enough blood this days I always remember the first time I saw Gohan taking on cell with one arm blood dripping from the other it made gohans pain believable

Maybe because he's older now and need to slack off a bit because working in Japan is 100% stressfull with a high chance to commit suicide especially in the Animation Department. Dude from Little Witch Academia drew a firework for 1 week just for it to be shown in like 2-3 second on the screen ..working non-stop. Unless they went Cartoon Network on Dragon Ball , it's really hard to work there.

I learned more about art from this video than... well, anything.

Great video :)

I used to have that post of base ssj and ssj3 goku up in my room didn’t know it was his work

Nakatsuru has done my favorite work. Very good with movements, motion, and being literally a doppelganger of Toriyama.

You put into words things I could only feel about this series. Incredible videos mans extremely interesting and entertaining.

Three things: Color, texture and shape. Yamamuro's drawing style in Super relies on thicker lines than the styling in Z did. This is shown both in the actual thickness of the lines alone as well as the texture of said lines. In the Broly movie, you notice that the frames look jittery, almost like they're falling over each-other on a microscopic level. This, while being a very small intentional design flaw, gives life to each frame to make the animations seem more natural and authentic. We almost NEVER sit completely still, so it makes sense. Along with this, the coloring in Super, while very fluorescent and noticeable, looks a bit inorganic compared to the darker, more dulled-out shading from Z. This plays well into the fact that Z was generally a much more serious series, while Super is...well. Yamamuro is a good artist. But I don't feel like his art style compliments the characters in DB very well, at least not this version. It looks kind of...American-ized. Like how every American cartoon is made from a set of different animations. And honestly, it works there, but it looks pretty bad compared to some anime that's out there. Also, can we PLEASE, for the love of God, bring back cuts and scrapes? I get it. TV is more censored now than it was back in the 90's. But for crying out loud, would it kill them to make a character that just got slammed through FIVE BUILDINGS look like they suffered a little more than a slight carpet burn?! Also ALSO, I'm sorry, but the transition animations look SO BAD in 90% of Super. There are no angles being challenged in fights, it feels like you're watching from a gas station security camera. Again using the Broly movie for reference - there are COUNTLESS angles used to make the fight scenes more impactful to the mind. For example, when SSGSS Gogeta was fighting Broly and Broly used his massive AoE attack, or when Gogeta flew into the air and started raining down Ki blasts. Or, most of all, when the fight was coming to a close and Gogeta was launching the Final Kamehameha at Broly. They ZOOMED IN on Broly's eyes, and it showed genuine fear. THAT is good animation, and it's honestly kind of sad that the only examples of this that can be noted from Super are that one cloud fight scene from the BoG movie, the ToP at the tail-end of it and the Broly movie.

Thank you for putting out this very important video! No, not being sarcastic lol. Bad animation needs to be criticized and I'm glad you articulated very well why this newer work is just worse. You brought up so many points that I've been thinking about: how handpainting the cels allows for naturally blended edges (which you don't get with sharp digital edges between values), value contrasts being too high which leads to a plastic look, lack of variation in shape design, straightness all the way through when creating forms and their constituent lines, with no thought for variety in their design and detail, no attention to line weight...I've never even bothered to watch Super due to how downright amateurish the animation looks. THANK you for going into such specific detail in addressing the formal aspects of art to criticize this work. I'm guessing you have a background in art? It really shows through! Great video.

great analysis

As an artist, this video is my worst nightmare. I am always very fearful that my art is getting worse over the years despite trying my best to continue to improve. Stuff like this scares me, I hope I don't ever run into this sort of issue with my work as I continue to try and improve.

It's great You share those videos and create a space where all of the people that actually see the PAINFUL difference in his arstyle can find a little bit of peace:) When people capable of doing amazing stuff decide to sell a bad product that they don't really put an effort into, it says for itself...........It would be understandable at the beginning, but now? Thousands of figures are sold, games are produced, and the artworks are still low quality, even in a cinematic movie like Broly, while for example : Fusion Reborn or Hildegarn were perfect from the head to the toe, and it was done without any modern technology....

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Hey well now we have Shintani, so we don’t have to worry about Yamamuro and his shitty, modern art style.

This is why Shintani should take over ngl. Yamauro had his time back in the 90's its time to put up the gloves.

Did the medium change? Does it have to perhaps do with more reliance on Photoshop/illustrator type tools? Tools that making editing/modifying easier but at the expense of looking too flat. I don't know if this is true but I feel like I heard it somewhere as the current trend of assembly line anime production. Correct me if I'm wrong.

more amazing vids. Ever thought of doing a more comprehensive look at the animation directors/studios/possibly even assistants if that would be interesting. It would be fun, and you seem, to know tons about that type of stuff

Dragonball - a lesson on not only art but also animation and that you can't skimp out on colors and style and everything else. Looking at you Super from ep. 1 till the TOP arc.

yo who was the animator for the Broly movie? It seemed pretty cool and new. What if that becomes the new style? I wouldn’t mind that, but I do miss the old dbz style a lot

VERY well puted video! Thank you for that!

Can you make videos on Maida and shintani would love to see that

One different shape can make the picture seem off and effect the rest of the picture's basic shape pattern formation

good vid bro thx

I think if you blend the light into the base tone it would be way better

I love artistic breakdown videos on KZfaq

also what's the thing about him giving Goku scoliosis where Goku from the chest and up is off center?

I'd like to blame technology for his lack of improvement even though it should be the other way around. I feel like digital artwork can sometimes influence people to have an easy cop out. In digital art, it doesn't take much to lower the hue of a color and blam you're done, but that's if you're lazy. Before digital art, you had to use real paint and color and use color theory. So I think these animators are taking as many shortcuts as they can since digital art makes it easier and since they are on a time crunch. It's a shame.

Curvature and angularity

People used to hand draw these panels, it is art, its beautiful, it holds up better than today's digital renderings. Always will. Old school disney was the sauce with their fluid animation style at high frame rates. What we have today is a bunch of uninspired lazy workers making anime instead of artists.