Ong it is

People forget because that was never a thing in Z. At least it was never mentioned in the original manga. Super made that up.

@@weeaboo-warriorsuper adds that saiyans get stronger mid fight? Holy hell

Wait as they’re fighting or overtime?

​@@Fred-di9qdit wasn't he's wrong it's stated in the namek saga

​@@weeaboo-warriorit was they said it in the namek saga

but thats just narrative. if you wanted to, you could re dub the whole thing and give it power level numbers that dont go outrageous like that. power levels never needed to be in the millions. they probably never needed to reach the 100,000s. as for statements like "he could now defeat every z villain in base" i doubt it. he did absorb the god ki into his base. but i also think we know that beerus wasnt trying to kill him at this point. push him, test him, yes. but kill him? he just got the super saiyan god he literally dreamed of. no chance. so at this point i think beerus is just putting out an amount of power that pushes goku. nothing more. i dont realistically see goku being able to defeat nearly any z villain in his base. again, the issues are just narrative.

but the thing is they are pure saiyans, if they were hybrids like goten trunks and gohan then it is understandable that its easier for them to tap into SSJ.

I give them a pass too cause it’s said they are just an extremely evolved version of sayians so it probably doesnt just effect them not having tails but also how quickly their potential is realized too.

It's probably because Caulifla described going SSJ as a "tingly back feeling" that made fans pissed lol That being said it's stupid that the U6 sayians were able to go SSJ so easily. But what I find more confusing is that no U6 sayian has turned into a SSJ. You're telling me that not once was Cabba or anyone else pushed to the edge? What pretty much confirms there is no threats in U6 is the fact that Cabba turned SSJ by Vegeta's death threats.

You seriously don't see the problems? Fine, I will try to explain why people don't like them, and will nitpick on some stuff claim are wrong, or maybe you didn't explain yourself correctly, but still I will go over them, so don't take it personally. First, you say that Broly is stronger than SSj1 and 2... What do you mean? The transformations are just multipliers, you can't get stronger than a multiplier, only the person using it. Or like, you will tell me that if Beerus was hypothetically a saiyan, with the same power he has now and is able to turn only into SSj1, Goku would beat him because he is stronger than Super Saiyan? No dude, it's just an amp to whatever base power the user has, if the farmer with a shotgun turned super saiyan he ain't beating Frieza and if this hypothetical Beerus fought Goku in SSj3 or God whatever, he still wouldn't lose. So the problems with the U6 saiyans are mainly two. How the heck are they as strong as the U7 Saiyans and why are the transformations so easy to achieve for them that it looks like a joke. You forget that before Goku and Vegeta, the saiyans's power levels were around the thousands with only the elites reaching above the ten thousand and they, unlike the U6 Saiyans were actually a warrior race whose whole job was going around fighting other aliens and conquering their planets. Goku and Vegeta are as strong as they are, because they have fought world ending threats like Cell and Buu and have trained for years, also by the time they first meet Cabba they have achieved Godly powers and were trained by Angel. Then this scrawny kid that looks like his arms will break if he threw a punch, dude literally be looking like he is going for that Frieza not training once in your life program fr, is actually matching Vegeta in base. No matter what they fought, they haven't got as much fighting and training as Goku and Vegeta have and claiming otherwise is undermining their whole story and achievments up to that point, although the U6 saiyans being so strong for no reason is already the maximum disrespect, so I guess Whis's training and the godly powers were shit if this random kid that apparently didn't get angry once in his life is stronger than Goku during BoG without even being able to transform. This goes for Broly as well, he was with power level around 40 to 50 thousand when they discovered him, I believe, so this guy who is weaker than first form Frieza during the Namek Saga has suddenly gotten so strong that he can take on Goku AND Vegeta in Blue? The guy should have exploded from the first punch from Vegeta and that should be it. Lastly on the Super Saiyan problem, I personally don't have that much of a problem with the fact they discovered the first level, although I hate the way they did it and how it was the same day they heard it in the first place. What is a problem is that they were able to go above, mainly Caulifla in the same day. From my understanding, Super Saiyan and it's subsequent forms isn't something that just comes when you are certain power level, the whole point of the Cell saga was to discover how to go above it, with the characters spending years in the time chamber trying to figure it out. There were several failed attempts and while Goku only mastered the normal SSj, Gohan was the only one that succeeded at the time. Later Goku needed 7 more years, of non stop training I presume, to learn it and then discover 3, while Vegeta only learned 2 in the meantime. So in short, the problem is that the U6 saiyans look like they suffer from some kind of anorexia, while matching literal gods in base and learned forms in a day, while the main characters needed years of training to discover. I hope that answers the question.

@@bubblegum-dumdum2536 LOL, I don't have any questions from the start. I understand very well why people don't like it, all I said was why I, you know me myself gives them a free pass. And I get a bunch of people who are basically telling me my own personal opinion is wrong. I don't agree or disagree with what you said, I simple said if you go back and read that this was why I gave them a pass. You are free to disagree but at no point in my comment did I ever ask any questions or not understand anything, try again.

Goku and Vegeta Base in Buu Saga at the start stomp all the high tiers in the cell saga.....

I mean tbf we should be used to it By now ssj trunks Literally one shot frieza and he was one shot by 17 and 18 lol Remember how op saiyan saga vegeta was? Next arc a random soldier (cui)is equal to him and transformed zarbon was Above kaioken times 3 Goku That is not Even talking about frieza

@@crownclown3519Right? People act as if power escalation only becomes crazy in DBS when in Z Freeza goon number 5 could solo everyone pre Saiyan saga minus Arale with no difficulty.

Also buuhan wrecks kid buu. Series statements and progression shows you that buuhan is the strongest while kid buu is the most dangerous

@@glenntaylor266 That's utterly false. Goku says kid buu is in whole nother level compared to the Buus

This guy is a fraud

He didn't use physically their Power as he was going around the earth and 2:by this Logic, their Power should be shrunk when they are small but we know It isn't the case for those absorbed

😂

@@MajinBird I’m watching you evil birb👀

There are many issues we have here, for One:the Power that said Gohan displayed against Goku was literally on par with the real one and Goku in base relatively matched him 2:Goku said that sure, After that he said 2 times that he could kill Super Buu and overpowers him alongside Vegeta for pretty much the entire fight

@@simeon8814 except it wasn’t because goku only fought in Ssj. If that was a full strength gohan goku would’ve had to use ssj3 to even compete. Secondly he did NOT say he could kill super buu but in fact said that if he and vegeta fought buu they would die, and that’s AFTER they removed all absorptions. And again the buu they were fighting was a mini buu inside buus head that wasn’t even trying.

@@glenntaylor266 that's assuming Goku's power remains the same troughout the arc, it doesn't and since Goku did what he did, he simply grew in power he did say he could kill super Buu, both before the fight starts and after Super Buu gets absolutely demolished it wasn't a weakened buu, if anything, Daizenshuu 10 implies he's even stronger inside his own body and also he was mad at them and said he wasn't playing around, you need to recheck the anime

@@simeon8814 that’s not an assumption tho. After goku got his living body back he didn’t get any stronger. That’s a fact. Dude he NEVER said he can beat super buu and has NEVER “demolished” super buu lmaooo what show was you watching dude. The Daizenshuu is wrong and is contradicted by the series itself, the manga, AND the characters. Buu WASNT stronger inside his own head, they just couldn’t defeat him because they are in his head. I think you need a rewatch my guy

@@glenntaylor266 that's not true, Vegeta said saiyans grow in power by turning back to life, also it's stated by Goku(when he was making the genkidama) that by returning back to life you don't have instantly access to your full power, so without his full power at his disposal, he still did better than Gohan he did say that, you need to rewatch the episodes(the sub not the dub), also he was winning, that's an undeniable fact, Super Buu was simply immortal the daizenshuu is not contradicted and Toriyama said the daizenshuu is more reliable than him, also you are just confirming my point, buu was immortal and they couldn't defeat him because of that not cuz they were weaker, thanks for agreeing with me

Most people here are just like the guy who made the video. They're not like us.

Fillers canon in dragon ball akira toriyama stated this

@@Nero12323 It's funny you don't try to prove my point wrong and just thinking that saying "toriyama" is all the defense you need. It isn't because even he said the anime was different from his manga. He even said it's a different timeline in an interview, so regardless if filler is "canon" it's not canon to the manga. That's like saying the Z movies aren't canon but they are canon... To GT. Which is why your defense being "Toriyama said so" is extremely vague and isn't a debate stopper. Sure it's canon in the anime, but not the manga, even then it contradicts the anime because if filler was "canon" then Goku inside Buu would've washed super buu because he beat Gohan, who was stronger than super buu. The fact you'll blindly ignore contradictions because you misinterpreted what toriyama said is why most db fans are doomed to stay ignorant

@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 he states that filler are canon to the manga if you ignore this then your wrong because he said this back when the og dragon ball came out

@@Nero12323why are you making shit up 😂 toriyama never stated this. db fans never ceases to surprise me

@@Nero12323 He also says the Z anime, in which were referring to, not OG dragon ball, is in the same dimension as the manga but doesn't say it's the same continuity like he says about dragon ball super is a continuity of the manga not the anime. Toriyama also hates how the anime depicts Goku 💀, and in every interview when he is asked about canon he always refer to his vision, the manga, not the anime. Also toriyama also says GT is canon, but it's a side story so....

well they think based on the statement that was, but I agree with you

You are correct these people use anime only fights and head cannon to justify their way of thinking

@@viciousbattousai4109 all there was is: "the true, the pure of Boo, possessing the greatest of strength that at last appears." Does not say he is the strongest. It says "greatest power and abilities" and also "purly destruction and combat." Nothing mentions he is the "strongest"

All filler is canon confirmed by akira toryiama

​@@Nero12323 source?😂😂😂

​@@Nero12323stop it 😂

​@@Nero12323Anime canon but it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, plus Ssj3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan took no damage from Goku and Vegeta's attacks. Goku and Vegeta just have higher biq

@@bakatemplargaming2430 gotta pay homage to

@@MajinBird i literally just found your channel from my home page probably cuz i have a lot of DB stuff in my sub box but keep up the good work

@@bakatemplargaming2430 will do

@@ChrisDeVarro it has been awhile my friend

It's a little too linear to be interesting to me too.

@@ultm8ninja I can understand that

Still not my thing. It can get very annoying to talk about

@@crestofhonor2349 I can agree with that

Frieza saga where characters goes from several hundreds to a bunch of millions

Was it really? In the frieza Saga Piccolo gets strong enough to fight frieza 2nd form with LESS otherworldy training than every other Z fighter from a mere fusion with nail when it said it only gave him 5x power buff. Then goku fighting ginyu has to use kioken to get a power level of 180,000 But somehow after getting beaten up from the Ginyu swap. Goku's Zenkai gave him a power level of 3 million. which is actually absolutely fucking absurd. when you think about the fact Ginyu in goku's body took WAY less damage than Vegeta and Goku did in the saiyan saga. Hell goku in the saiyain saga had like 70% of his bones turned to dust. and didn't even LEAP like he did when Ginyu got beaten up in his body. Then theirs Vegeta getting shot through the stomach by krillin, he got completely DONUTTED and Dendei almost didn't even heal him meaning vegeta was almost completely at deaths door before being revived and didn't get an increase like goku got. Basically all in all. yeah, they were pulling bullshit power leaps before even the Buu saga. This is followed by the fact that Yamcha got a power level of fucking 2 million in the 3 years preparing for the androids when his training all his life didn't even get him to the power level of 2000 before he got killed by a saibaman. not to mention he got a power level of 80,000 training with king kai and goku didn't even get that strong from that training. Power level spikes that were actually insane started WAYYYY before Super or the buu saga. People just didn't pay attention to them because rose tinted glasses.

@@vixenxia2475 still not as bad as super

you play xenoverse?

@@SaiyanPodcast yes