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For new fans context Ferrari went from 17KPH disadvantage to 27kph advantage in 2018 and than 42KPH advantage in Belgium while running bigger wings

3:42 Ferrari were absolutely not using more than 100kg per race. That cannot be cheated, as fuel is measured before and after the race. They only cheated the flow rate (litres/hour). The total amount of fuel used was the same.

In a hungarian podcast, an ex-Haas mechanic said that, Ferrari built the fuel system for max capacity allowed after the fuel flow sensor. You can bring fuel through the sensor all the time hence they could store the fuel in the system (after the sensor) so they could get more fuel into the engine when needed . After the FIA realized how it worked, simply reduced the capacity of the fuel system after the sensor.

To be clear, Ferrari weren't trying to carry more fuel - that's too obvious. They were trying to pump more more when on the straights for higher power; conserving fuel on low-mid spotted corners

Considering all the information we have, I personally believe it was not *technically* illegal by the letter of the rules, it was "illegal" by the spirit of the rules. I think they explored a grey zone which after inspection was outlawed, but technically not illegal when they did it. But who knows, honestly

The 2020 car wasn't unstable it was just too draggy, the car had been designed to create as much downforce as possible at the expense of more drag which would've been "canceled out" by their superior top speed, but by the time the engine was changed (no not just the second sensor slowed them down) they were asked to change multiple parts of the engine thus having less power. The SF1000 was actually one of the fastest cars in the corners, breaking zones and traction zones. But it's lack of power made the car terrible, then they started putting lower drag wings to gain top speed which killed their cornering. It would've been a mighty car if the engine had been "legal". I don't necessarily believe that their engine was changed because it was "Illegal" I believe that whatever they were doing would've been discovered by plenty of teams and they avoided loopholes by sanctioning them specifically. If it had been some sort of flat out cheating they would've come out with all of the details, the restrained explanation as to what they did to their car leaves me to believe that they didn't want anyone else to know, in fear that another team might have found a "legal" way to do it.

“If you ain’t tryna cheat a little, you ain’t likely to win much” ~Richard Petty

Absolutely not what Ferrari was being accused of! They were allegedly bypassing the fuel flow limit sensor. That is to say, they had a system where they would go over the mandated 100 kg/hr limit and in no way does it mean they were using more fuel than allowed. Flow limit and allowed fuel are two different things.

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Crazy to think they have one of the best ICE packages today, on par with Honda/RBPT. They really should've kept Binotto, at least as a cto or something. Bro knows engines

2019 Monza is one of the most wonderful moments of my life as a sports fan. I don’t care how they did it.

There's lots of misinformation about this from so called F1 "experts". FIA could not find any proof that the Ferrari engine was illegal after 8 months of investigating. But they weren't also fully convinced that Ferrari's engine was legal. So by the rules, unless a team is able to fully satisfy the FIA it is legal they need to remove it, which is what happened. Ferrari had to revert back to an old spec engine weeks before pre-season testing and there was also an engine freeze that season. This does not mean Ferrari cheated or their engine was illegal. This one single article is better than anything all the F1 “experts” have produced because it actually has facts and numbers: “2019 F1 season: Ferrari’s straight-line speed”

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RB asked for 3 clarifications, not just one. For some reason, aliasing the fuel slow sensor is the one that gets all the press, but technically the least plausible. I think the likeliest thing they were doing was burning oil on purpose, to add to the total fuel burn rate

It amazes me how Ferrari went from having a competitive package in 2017 & 2018 to being nowhere to be found from 2019-2021. Everyone knew something was up after the Summer Break in 2019?! There was no way Ferrari were that quick out of nowhere and were fighting for race wins when they were nowhere near being competitive prior to Spa, Monza, and Singapore.

I think a lot of people also forget how much of a tractor the sf90 if they had a different pu they would have been nowhere

What I always marvel at is the explanations of what Ferrari where doing. Especially since even the FIA who had the actual engines in their possession could not figure out what they were doing.

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Other thing that people forget about the 2019 Ferrari is that those cars (just like the other Ferraris since) ate rubber like crazy and they dipped in pace nearing the end of the stints. That held them from getting more wins in 2019.

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I think the reason the FIA didn't make a stink about what Ferrari was doing because Ferrari stopped when they were told to. They didn't force the FIA into a complex, long, and potentially very expensive and embarrassing legal case, they didn't freak out and start a media frenzy, they just stopped cheating when the technical directive came out, ate their humble pie, and took the L. There wasn't really a *need* for further action because the team didn't do anything interesting until 2022, when the regs had entirely changed. They spent basically 2.5 years in the midfield, fighting to even be in the points, and inadvertently freaked Mercedes out so much they built *the fastest F1 car ever* to compete. Also the changes to the regs requiring a second sensor with encrypted data, and randomized polling intervals, essentially silver bulleted the problem. I'd strongly suspect the "secret agreement" was A: Stop fucking cheating. B: Freeze engine development right then and there for the rest of the 2019 season and possibly some of 2020 as well. C: Make Binotto get a haircut. Obviously the FIA's demands were utterly deranged and Ferrari could only comply with A and B. It's also why the 2020 car was a mess. By the time they'dve been told to knock it off it was just before the US GP, which was in November, so the 2020 car would be at a pretty advanced stage of development, and they obviously didn't have time to change it to suit a gutless power unit. If they'd been permitted to continue development of the 2019 engine for 2020 they'd at least be able to clawback some of the power loss, but they couldn't, they had a dog, and that, to me, indicates a lack of development. I'd point at Alfa and HAAS but they were just so slow for other reasons you can't really tell if it's engine related or not.

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Ferrari had figured out the fuel flow regulator sensor had a blip in time. During that blip in recording fuel flow they took that time to have more fuel flow.

4:46 Correction: Ferrari basically had installed a dummy flow meter which the sensor used to take readings, the reading are taken fairly quickly. The real fuel flow meter connected to the fuel line allowed a little more fuel to bypass. It didn't somehow only send higher fuel flow when the "sensor wasn't sensing" lmao what do you think happens to an engine with sudden and recurring fluctuations in fuel flow?

Curiously, some engineers believe it was an electrical advantage and NOT a fuel advantage. Ferrari were the only team at the time running dual battery packs (not even their customer teams had this). The FIA covered both batteries in additional sensors at the same time the extra fuel sensor was fitted and their advantage stopped. People seem to be fixed on the fuel rate, but this isn’t known to be true. It’s also curious how this was dealt with differently to the oil burning that gave Mercedes their advantage in 2014. This was simply fixed with a technical directive to limit the oil use, and there were no sporting penalties for bending the rules in that way.

Can u do a video abt the sf 23

Please, do a video about the McLaren's 2012 season's car.

Pls do a video about racing point 2020 car

Pretty sure Ferrari was going over the fuel flow rate not the fuel load. They would time their fuel pump to the exact time the FIA fuel flow rate detectors would stop because the detectors would measure in pulses or intervals leaving gaps in between, which Ferrari allegedly took advantage of.

Could you do the ferrari 1998 F300?

I remember around that time they were also suspected of exploiting their twin-battery design to get more deployment than was permissible, as GPS tracking was showing crazy acceleration curves.

2019 - F1 engine 2020 - GP2 engine... GP2

Ferrari being faster in straight line in 2019: illegale RB being 30 kmh faster then anyone in 2023: well newey Is a Genius,must be that

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@JonnyF1 According to Ecclestone and Auto, Motor Und Sport (AMUS), the FIA was forced to NOT tell why Ferrari got clipped because it would've destroyed the sport altogether. According to them and Motor Sport Magazine, Ecclestone brokered a deal in 2015 between Honda, Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari to let the non-German teams to use some of the tech the Germans were using, in the optics of a fairer fight and a better TV revenue from 2016 onwards. When Ferrari got "investigated" because of RBR's stupid claim, which the FIA and Ecclestone proved to be false on all fronts, a problem arose: since most of Ferrari's performance was made on Mercedes's research, that would've meant that EVERY single Championship awarded to Mercedes up until that point was susceptibe of being taken away for "giving disrepute to the sport". But, since even Renault and Honda used that tech (although with a lessened effectiveness) it would've meant that ALL of the grid was technically illegal. It would've been a disaster, something that would've surely destroyed F1's appeal and FIA's credibility altogether, perhaps even causing the death of the "Pinnacle of Motorsport" itself. So, another deal was brokered: Ferrari wouldn't use that tech anymore, it would help the FIA to identify and squash eventual grey zones in the rulebook when it came to Power Units and, to keep Ferrari's reputation, the deal would have been kept secret, with a nice monetary help from FIA.

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I remember monza 2019. It was awesome!

There's really two limits at play. At the time the fuel limits were 100 kg for the whole race and an instantaneous fuel flow rate of 100kg/hr. It is believed this 100 kg/hr rate is what was was being violated. Redbull asked about a few different methods, but the one that made the most sense to me was the theory that ferrari had strategically placed their high voltage power lines next to the fuel flow sensor to cause interference in the signal. At the time ferrari was known to be using a dual battery system which no other team understood the advantage of. If this approach was correct, ferrari could charge one battery with the other and vice a versa to make sure they were always disrupting the fuel flow meter when they wanted to. I really wish f1 had a rule where teams had to release the designs of cars over 5 years old or something because otherwise we will literally never know for certain these details.

Don't know why no one talks about the leap forward the SF1000 performed in '21, the best large nose car on the grid able to snatch 3rd place in Constructors from McLaren, by just designing a smaller gearbox. I rooted for McLaren and hate all the holiness around the "prancing horse" but this can' t be ignored.

Of course, Ferrari's engine cheat was different to Merc's DAS - fundamentally so. Merc showed the FIA what DAS was and double-checked it was legal, which it was until the rules were changed for the following season. On the other hand, Ferrari secretly tricked fuel flow sensors with the sole intention of breaking a regulation and burned more oil than a refinery to cheat more power. The fact this was dealt with in secret by the FIA tells us all we needed to know about their slam-dunk guilt. Poor comparison in an otherwise very good video...

They just found a loop hole and sadly we're penalised. Other teams find loopholes but it's OK!

It is more likely ferrari had a hidden reserve and they never stopped pumping fuel when off throttle. That would be a grey area not tricking the fuel sensor. It would also explain along with battery drain why the ferraris slowed dramatically at the end of long straights. It is also very probable that he fia hit them with a hard fuel limit as punishment.

I heard they got in trouble for this and there penalty for it was they and there partners had to use like 5 kl less of fuel every race till the 22 season and this is why they wernt competitive until then

That thumbnail tho, Number 2 on a Ferrari 🥺 Alternative universe where Mclaren didn't destroy Vandoorne's career. Edit: nvm I see now that it's a mirrored picture

And you did forget to mention the Engine oil they burned getting more horse out of the engine. The 100 kilo off full was never a problem they only bypassed the system when needed closing a gap or creating. one

I mean, everybody knew they were dumping more fuel into the engine than was allowed. But it's not Ferraris fault the FIA made a predictable sensor. Look at Red Bull in 2021 running the tires at a lower psi than was allowed because the checks only came at the beginning and end of the GP. Every team flirts with the rules, Mercedes have just recently said they intend to push the rules much harder than they have been the last two years to try and catch up.

Imagine if they won the championships in 2019. Heads would’ve been rolling

3:20 You are wrong. There is a limit of the amount of fuel they can use in a race of 100 kg (it is a bit more now), but that is not important here. Ferrari wasn't using more fuel during the race. The important point is that there is a limit to the instantaneous amount of fuel that can flow to the cylinders of 100 kg/hour. That is a completely different thing and that's the one Ferrari was apparently violating.

Rb saw that and this year is like #sandbagging mates

Seems like last year. After td 39 ferrari was hugely affected by it. From that point on, the team managed to never win a race

That Ferrari was superfast, and yet Max still won 3 races and finished ahead of both Ferrari drivers.

My Drill Sergent used to say you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin and if you get caught cheatin you ain't tryin hard enough LOL!

Apologies for my ignorance but doesn't more fuel mean more weight? how could they be so fast if they were carrying extra fuel?

I wish red bull did the same said nothing and we had two monster engines on the grid

yoo vettel is gonna explain us about his 2019 car engine

Sounds similar to how Red Bull are ridiculous on the straights right now which is why they're sandbagging. Although aerodynamically their car is ridiculous

And the. Sebastian Vettel was hung out to dry with their ‘Look over here!’ trick.

i think the fia not revealing anything about this should be illegal.

The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. Ferrari needs a serious overhaul to be competitive again. They've shown that they can make a competitive car but the team is wholly ill-equiped to handle that car. They need to send everyone to HAAS or Alfa Romeo and poach some people that know wjat they're doing.

Hey we have the same calendar

Surely adding more fuel to the car would make you slower because it would make the car heavier?

it was Silverstone 2018 that they suddenly gained a massive amount of speed out of no where & in 2019 they were maximising their 'cheating'. But at the end of the day they were doing all this & still got smashed by Mercedes 😂

The answer is yes, yes they where.

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everyone claims that ferrari was cheating when there is no conclusive evidence. it's not like their car was super slow. they could have won in bahrain were it not for leclerc's engine cuts, won in canada if vettel actually stayed on track, and won in austria if verstappen didn't shove leclerc off track. the fia never released the findings, they "reached a settlement" which could be nothing but a slap on the wrist after all... heck, maybe it wasn't even the fuel flow in the first place. perhaps the gains were made elsewhere and we wouldn't ever know as those findings have been kept confidential. another note to make is that a track like singapore is probably one of the least power demanding tracks on the calendar. historically, teams like red bull and ferrari in the past have been rather more competitive on this track against mercedes who still held a huge power unit advantage. i do have a question for those believing in the fuel flow myth. since ferrari supposedly bypassed that 100kg/H fuel flow, this means that they were burning fuel at a higher rate and wouldn't this been easily reflected by the fia checking fuel levels before and after the race? in order to avoid being detected, they'd have to save fuel elsewhere on track would they not? wouldn't that mostly undermine the benefits of bypassing a fuel flow?

fyi its not "sneaky suspicion" its "sneaking suspicion"

Absolutely ridiculous that their punishment wasn’t more severe and public. They should have been punished and fined in line with McLaren (spy-gate)

Dude, your mic will sound better if you talk into the front of it instead of the back 😂

And then came the TD39...

DAS is not illegal, it's innovation

Redbull asked the FIA if they could do what they suspected Ferrari of doing, the FIA obviously said no that illegal as shit so red bull said funny you say that, this is what Ferrari are doing. FIA then made regulation changes to specifically stop it and the rest is history

2019 was also a dark year for Ferrari as they cheated like Redbull but couldnt do as a good job to fend off that Hamilton guy

Ferrari were too fast for their own good sounds like a less confusing title to read

I don't know what happened to Ferrari but they haven't been the same since 2019 ever since then they've been stuck in nose dive of failure after failure they can't seem to get anything right.

Bruh redbull like drama

Funny enough red bull the very team who accused Ferrari of cheating not even two years later cheated themselves by over spending on the budget to make their car faster than the rest of the grid.

But they were "almost" fast as Mercedes, yet they were off the hook

Always hated how people bashed Ferrari for exploiting a loophole when the only won 3 races in 2019 whilst redbull went over the budget cap and definitely cheated and won a whole drivers championship smh

And they gave it a really bad livery too

It's only ilegal if you can prove... otherwise 🎉

No it wasn't illegal

Dominicalli was Ferrari team principal. Dominicalli becomes F1 president. Ferrari cheats. Dominicalli sweeps it under the carpet and the FIA Keep it private.

Considering Mercedes had years of advantage in engine development it seems fair😂 they didn't win anyways

Because they are not a teame

Now RB and Max dominate like there’s no tomorrow and suddenly FIA is fine with it

Makes you wonder how much is red bull cheating or what are they doing illegal to there car

Mate they were cheating

Ferrari engine was studied for months by the FIA and they never found anything illegal. If Ferrari was using a grey area (and I strongly believe it) it as so clever to outsmart the controller.

F1 is more fun when Ferrari is cheating and winning 😂

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If Ferrari was illegal, then Redbull now also? Seems they have huge top speed advantages. Don't forget FIA didn't found anything so basically they still didn't know what was it.They just made a agreement that stop it with the 2nd fuel sensor. Redbull reported Ferrari back in 2019.I wonder what they asked for in return...

Always redbull the crybabies

Ferrari looked at the 1995 Toyota WRC team and copied their project idea but it worse, huh? lol And before people crucify me, I get that the technologies used were different, but the idea of bypassing or fooling mandatory power-restriction equipment to get a power advantage remains the same.

What ferrari did with their fuel flow is nowhere near comparable to das, ferrari was illegal das wasn't. Das would have been on the grid in 2019 and the fia knew it about as Mercedes presented it to them but was deemed illegal because of how it was operated by a movable device rather than the revised 2020 version of using the steering wheel.

When Red Bull "cheats" they get booed on. But when Ferrari "cheats" people say that they are glad they did it or else the 2019 season will be boring. Love the double standards in F1.