Why Germany Could Not Win WW2... Reaction to Potential History

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3 жыл бұрын

Historian reacts and analyses [Step By Step] as to why the Germans could not pull a win out of the war according to Potential History. What did you think of this new format to react to History videos?
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@Toto-yj8hc
@Toto-yj8hc 2 жыл бұрын
There was no way for the Germans to win WWII beucase they were the Germans saying they played their diplomacy wrong is a mute point, cause if they had played the diplomatic game perfectly they wouldn't have been Germany they wouldn't be Nazis anymore.
@azopeopaz3059
@azopeopaz3059 2 жыл бұрын
I think tou should watch the second video he made that i think give even better argument
@ailediablo79
@ailediablo79 2 жыл бұрын
My short answer is if they didn't have their rasist supremacist extremist ideology and tryed to do anything with more real world logic + start the war as feather of 1939 , perhaps 1949 Germany + listen mostly and make him the main commander and tactician as minster of war Romal desert fox, Germany would have win. If they blamed UK and France instead of the jews and used the colonialised world things would have changed. By time by not declaring war on USA and give more focus on NA campaign. Perhaps maby Aile with Soviet ang give Japan oile and gas. Being the only ones or earliest to have nuclear weapons by not kicking the rich and smart scientists. If Hitlers ideology was different they would have win.
@giovanni-ed7zq
@giovanni-ed7zq 2 жыл бұрын
only reason soviets beat germany in ww2 was stalins quote himself after the war, the ussr would have lost to germany if the americans had not given them lend lease.
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw Жыл бұрын
"it's literally the last great war we have witnessed in history" DERZHAI SVOI PIVO!
@erlan7686
@erlan7686 3 жыл бұрын
There were 37 republics in the USSR. Some think that only Russians are involved. Basically, the whole population of the USSR took part. My grandfather was also present. I am from Kazakhstan.
@kristianzivkovic3154
@kristianzivkovic3154 3 жыл бұрын
@@James-wu6qh Well there are 16 big federal republics but there were many (still exist) autonomous regions or areas belonging to minorities (mostly in russia in areas of siberia still inhabited by natives). It is wrong to call them all republics same way as main 16 because they were subdivisions of those republics (again mostly in russia) but point still stands that they should be mentioned. Russia today alone has over 20 national republics and only about 76-78% people have declared to be russian and adding all the other people from 15 republics with them in ussr percentage of russians is even smaller yet people still say russians won ww2 or russians this and that.....
@xijinping880
@xijinping880 2 жыл бұрын
@@James-wu6qh during ww2 there weren’t even 16 republics there were 7
@xijinping880
@xijinping880 2 жыл бұрын
There was 6 during ww2 only
@Kingdom_Of_Dassogne
@Kingdom_Of_Dassogne 2 жыл бұрын
From Kazakhstan, to Magadan
@javo5270
@javo5270 2 жыл бұрын
I am from Uzbekista, Samarkand and my two great grandfathers were drafted too, one died sadly but the other survived. edit: Uzbekistan*
@fabricesl7846
@fabricesl7846 2 жыл бұрын
Man! your knowledge of history is nuts!! I am French and I can confirm that you are spot on regarding the situation in France pre-war. a good third of the french at the time considered the Soviets the real ennemy and saw in Germany the occasion to counter the Ennemy in the east.
@historylegends
@historylegends 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏 🎩
@gregorgerzson1767
@gregorgerzson1767 Жыл бұрын
Yet still strange they and england only declared war on Germany when invaded Poland but not the USSR--
@Somedude_jdjdi
@Somedude_jdjdi Жыл бұрын
@@gregorgerzson1767 because it would be a suicide. Like german Army with materials from ussr that would be a deadly combo.
Жыл бұрын
@@gregorgerzson1767 Not that strange. Germany and the USSR were dictatorships and having them share a border would increase the chance of them fighting each other. Declaring war on the USSR would just drive Germany and the USSR closer together, and potentially open up new fronts that had to be manned, taking focus away from the Western front. Also, the Anglo-Poland alliance was directed towards Germany only, not other countries.
@Robolaralobarar
@Robolaralobarar Жыл бұрын
How gulable are you
@leonardosaffier1705
@leonardosaffier1705 2 жыл бұрын
Germany declared war on the US because in their point of view, they already were at war, they just formalized it. They were already fighting in the atlantic, american vessels were escorting allied convoys and were sinking german submarines, americans were already massively supporting the british, so, to germany, they were essentially already at war
@lisanalgaib555
@lisanalgaib555 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. You can draw a parallel to nowadays Russo-Ukraine war. Without the US support of Ukraine, Russia would have already conquered Ukraine. Maybe they would now fight against a Partisan movement and deport have of the male population to Siberia, while the women and children of Ukraine would have fled to Polen, Romania, Germany and other countries. So, from the Russian point of view, they are already in a War against the Nato. But, you are right. Hitler should not have declared war on the US, he should have seen the people in the Soviet Union as potential Allies. Hence declare he comes as a liberator from the Soviet regime and not as an invader. In this case many Soviet people would have joined him and it wouldn't have been a great patriotic war, but a continuation of the Russian Civil war of 1917 - 1923. Hitler mistaken the American as weak people, not warlike and even not fit for war. Same as the Japanese did. The Americans didn't fight a lot in World War one and so, the concept of Industrial production capacity was not widely known to Hitler and the Leaders of Japan. They thought the main decisive factor in a War is the will to win, the quality of the Soldiers. Therefore, Hitler disregarded the Italians and favored the Finns. The Finns fought with a small army successful against the Soviets, while the Italians lost one campaigned after another. Even against smaller countries like Greece.
@KT-pv3kl
@KT-pv3kl Жыл бұрын
on top of that the international law at the time was on Germanys side of the argument. America was embargoing the axis while trading with the allies and delivering lethal aid to them. that is an active participation in a war and makes them a legitimate target for attacks.
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 Жыл бұрын
You forget the military view of it too. US has to land somewhere in Europe that the Axis already control, it doesn't matter the US navy is already strong. Germany can react and move troops into position.
@hectorzero8545
@hectorzero8545 Жыл бұрын
the point of diplomacy is results not reality. You can be at war with someone in all but name, but as long as you dont name it, it can hinder the other sides ability to help. By not declaring war on the USA even though they technically were already involved would at least hinder them from getting DIRECTLY involved with soldiers, for awhile at least. Look at the USA with its proxy wars in Ukraine right now. Theres a reason Russia and the USA have not declared war, to outright declare it, even if youre fighting it has ramifications. Not even Russia has declared war on Ukraine despite invading it, they just call it a "special military operation". Formalizing a war and merely fighting it in all but name are VASTLY different. Hitler should have not declared war on the USA in order to keep their involvement limited to everything except troops on the ground.
@juanpaz5124
@juanpaz5124 Жыл бұрын
​@@hectorzero8545 Maybe, but the US's main contribution weren't their troops but lend lease.
@1sb3rg34
@1sb3rg34 3 жыл бұрын
Recomend part 2 Bwt spain would have been a liability. Spain was still recovering and would need to be fully supplied and would have to garrison a bunch of territories as well as dealing with Gibraltar and a potential allied invasion trough portugal
@TonyGonzales2
@TonyGonzales2 2 жыл бұрын
I think there’s a reason he didn’t do a reaction to pt 2 and that would be because it would destroy his theory that Germany could have won if they just weren’t Nazis.
@semoq8903
@semoq8903 2 жыл бұрын
@@TonyGonzales2 I am spanish, there was no way Franco would have joined properly, I think mussolini was asked by Hitler after his failed attemp to convince Franco to ask him again. Mussolini said something along the lines "how does he want them to join when they dont even have bread for 3 days". And Germany was doomed as soon as USA entered the war and It became a war of resources, they had to face a dictatorship with huge numbers of troops and manpower (Soviets) and a country that was basically a Factory in the middle of the ocean you couldnt get to damage (USA).
@jstevinik3261
@jstevinik3261 2 жыл бұрын
@LivingCarbon Indeed. Franco was worried about being blockaded by the UK as Spain was failry reliant on imports at the time. Plus, all Spani could gain was Gibralter but blockade would not be worth it when recovering from civil war.
@bigvinnie3
@bigvinnie3 2 жыл бұрын
@@TonyGonzales2 Personally I don't like the notion of inevitability in anything historical I mean a lot could have changed. Some thing could have been done differently and caused a new set of circumstances were not even aware were a possibility. What if Hitler accepted Stalin's offer in 1941 to reinstate the treaty of Brest Litovsk what if Stalin was deposed. What if they held the farmland of Ukraine long enough for mass starvation to set in in Russia. I agree Germanys chances were slim but I thin to say it was certain they'd lose is an over statement there's just so many variables and things that could change and snowball.
@bigvinnie3
@bigvinnie3 2 жыл бұрын
@LivingCarbon Yup a lot of those volunteers as I'm sure you know went because they were made the Ussr supported the republicans in the Spanish civil war. The motto of many was basically were here to pay back Russia for meddling in our country.
@eriksleeking8859
@eriksleeking8859 2 жыл бұрын
I think the food and oil shortages alone make it impossible for the axis to have ever won the war. I hear a lot of tactical and strategic victories they missed and you’re probably right. But they just wouldn’t have won the war. Just look at the production numbers of the USA. I think the question shouldn’t be if they could have won, but for how long they could have prolonged it. But that is just my opinion 😊
@waavycookie7243
@waavycookie7243 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. WW2 was different in the fact it as much a battle of economies as it was a battle of strength. Whoever could out produce their opponent would win. This is why the 1944 bombing raids were so successful and the reason why Germany lost the Battle of Britain. They eventually targeted civilians instead of the factories and airfields.
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir 2 жыл бұрын
If people studied the economics of WW 2 there would be fewer wehraboos. California alone produced three times as much oil in four years as the Third Reich did in six. No amount of panzer, U Boats and planes would've changed anything without oil to make them move.
@morrisonparker3229
@morrisonparker3229 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lonovavir fewer wehraboos? but we have more Ignorant Soviet Botrolls now, what the actual doofoos
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 2 жыл бұрын
The Nazis where very good at wasting huge amounts of irreplaceable resources on stupid prestige projects. That of course included bizmark and terpitz who where festively wonderewaffen that did nothing other then waste a huge amount of manpower and steel that could have been used to make a much more needed feet of raiders and u-boats. The fact that Bizmark only had a single escorting ship shows just how pathetically small the Kriegsmarine surface navy was and you simply cannot afford to screw around with battleships when you’re biggest ship is a cruiser and you only have 2 or 3 of those. They should have sunk those resources into what has already been proven to work, more pocket battleships, more commerce raiders more small ships that could disrupt and provide badly needed security for Nazi water.
@thunberbolttwo3953
@thunberbolttwo3953 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the steel shortage.
@williamtm1965
@williamtm1965 Жыл бұрын
Also, don't forget that it wasn't just Germany fighting the war, it was essentially the entire Europe invading Soviet Union. Occupied and allied European countries had their economies working to support German war efforts. Most of the countries also sent soldiers to the front lines, just like you said in this video on Stalingrad part - there were Italian and Romanian armies, as well as smaller national units fighting on the German side.
@albertmaziarz6739
@albertmaziarz6739 10 ай бұрын
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@XenoxRaider
@XenoxRaider 8 ай бұрын
@@albertmaziarz6739how ? Wtf
@HomeByTheSeas
@HomeByTheSeas 12 күн бұрын
Except Europe was trying to fight off Marxism, well half of it anyway..
@TheArrowedKnee
@TheArrowedKnee 2 жыл бұрын
Here's my problem with your argument at about 12:00 - What you're essentially saying, is that if the Nazis weren't Nazis, which is precisely an argument Potential History addressed in part two, the germans could have won the war. But that is a very fallacious argument, beacuse at that point you dwelve in to alternate history. At that point the war may very well not have happend at all, or at the very least you change a massive part of what the war was about.
@Myuutsuu85
@Myuutsuu85 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the war mainly about reclaiming old territory, as well as gaining new ones, with the extermination of perceived "sub-humans" being more of an afterthought/bonus objective? I certainly could see how even a non-extremistic Germany would have wanted its territories back.
@carlosmedina1281
@carlosmedina1281 2 жыл бұрын
@@Myuutsuu85 No the war in the East at least was about saving the Aryan race from the Jewish Bolshevist cabal that Hitler saw as headquartered in Moscow. Also, Lebensraum could only be achieved by genocide.
@leokim1458
@leokim1458 2 жыл бұрын
This issue is hardly as black and white as some would think. The nazis fought alongside muslims. They were also allied simultaneously to Japan and China who hated each other.
@mastrammeena328
@mastrammeena328 2 жыл бұрын
they could have used those sub-humans and after the victory they could have exterminated them slowly that's what he was saying
@Somethingaweful
@Somethingaweful 2 жыл бұрын
@@leokim1458 the Japanese and Germans kind of had an uneasy alliance. Sure they were allies. But Damn if they both had they’re own separate goals and interest. They where only allies out of necessity and not really because they liked each other.
@minehffd2651
@minehffd2651 2 жыл бұрын
If the Germans did take Moscow, the Soviets would've probably destroyed it before the Germans could capture it. And also, the railways that centred Moscow have different sizes compared to German railway cars, meaning if the Germans want to use them. They gotta either build railways cars fast before the Soviets launch a counter offensive to recapture Moscow, or take the Soviet railway cars before they could destroy them or take it with them.
@MRtapio5
@MRtapio5 3 жыл бұрын
Finland didn't attack Leningrad simply because it wasnt their goal and If Finland would have attacked Leningrad they would have Lost too Many men and resources something that Finland didn't have as much as germany did
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
But what I don’t understand is that they entered Operation Barbarossa to recapture the land they had lost in the winter war, but then don’t make sure the soviet union collapses
@MRtapio5
@MRtapio5 3 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Finland hoped that when they captured Their old lands soviet union would Want peace so they could Focus on germany but like we all know that didnt happen
@MRtapio5
@MRtapio5 3 жыл бұрын
@@James-wu6qh no one said that it would?
@MRtapio5
@MRtapio5 3 жыл бұрын
@@James-wu6qh well u replyed to me
@kaiserwilhelmii5393
@kaiserwilhelmii5393 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Marshal Mannerheim held back the Finnish forces, since he feared if the Axis collapsed Finland would be punished immensely if they penetrated even deeper into the USSR (Leningrad), this is why they did not keep on pushing. Finland was in the war mostly from pressure from the Nazis.
@Pyth0n313
@Pyth0n313 3 жыл бұрын
Germany could not win world war 2 unless you were to change the very character of the Nazi high command. The reason the Soviet people and the government didn't surrender is that they knew that if they did it would have meant the utter annihilation of their people. The Slavic people of eastern Europe or the Soviet government at the very least knew that surrender meant death. So for the Soviets, it was either die from surrender or die fighting. And it wasn't like the Soviets lost all military offensive capabilities after Kyiv and Bryansk. Operation Barbarossa was going to fail from the beginning because it was built off of the flawed idea of kicking in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse. And by the time they reach Smolensk, the cracks already beginning to show. Despite the Nazi predictions, the Soviets are still mounting a resistance even though by their account the red army should have been destroyed three times over. And even if Moscow was taken, it is less about whether Stalin gives up and is more in the hands of whether the Red Army will. If the USSR surrendered it would have meant the slaughter of every man, woman and child. And the Soviets fought with that mentality. So no, Germany couldn't win.
@kaasknaller
@kaasknaller 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know this Guy thinks he is the smartest man in the world
@user-ts9sh1pz1q
@user-ts9sh1pz1q 2 жыл бұрын
Not like this
@TheArrowedKnee
@TheArrowedKnee 2 жыл бұрын
I think his his part 2 goes more in depth on that part.
@plumbherhub1664
@plumbherhub1664 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think they felt like retreating west?
@Chosen_Ash
@Chosen_Ash 2 жыл бұрын
Germany could have won but it would not have been easy and people forget that a victory doesn’t mean a world conquest
@MissPrather
@MissPrather Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the respectful debate and respect for each other in this comment section! Y'all are all awesome. I could read comments like this all day!
@Pelaaja20
@Pelaaja20 3 жыл бұрын
I remain unconvinced, German economy alone wouldn’t have lasted the pressures of a long war, because of the racked up national debt due to years of reckless spending, and because Germany’s long term industrial capacity and resources, even if we include occupied territories was DWARFED by the soviets and the allies. Even if they would have somehow realistically taken Moscow and cut temporarily the western aid to the USSR, it would have been replaced soon with other port, like Vladivostok. Sure, the aid wouldn’t come as fast as it used to, but it would still come. And Soviet industrial capacity and population would have replaced many of the losses they would have suffered in initial invasion, as they did in our timeline. Germans simply couldn’t replace many of their losses as fast as the Soviets could, resulting eventually in recapture of Moscow. I find it highly unlikely that Soviets would have surrendered after the loss of Moscow, because any peace deal Germany would have given it would have lead to the massive destruction of ethnic russians, as demonstrated by the amount of German war crimes committed in the Soviet Union. For them, this was a fight for survival, and only one would come out on top. It was total war.
@Pyth0n313
@Pyth0n313 3 жыл бұрын
That and the mentality of the common Soviet being surrender meant death under occupation. They would have never just given up.
@Pyth0n313
@Pyth0n313 3 жыл бұрын
Nice points
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 2 жыл бұрын
The day the US decided to support USSR was the day hitler knew he lost in the end.
@TonyGonzales2
@TonyGonzales2 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at his other vids, he seems a little mislead in terms of history analysis.
@therealgaben5527
@therealgaben5527 Жыл бұрын
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@siddharthaboral4457
@siddharthaboral4457 3 жыл бұрын
Really liked the analysis ❤️❤️🔥🔥
@pavelslama5543
@pavelslama5543 2 жыл бұрын
27:12 It was because of the Atlantic convoys. American destroyers frequently attacked German u-boots even before the war was declared to the USA, but German commanders had strict orders not to attack American ships, so once Japan declared war, Germans were like "fck it , we are going full in".
@MeatyPie-jp8ne
@MeatyPie-jp8ne 2 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid to say that your point on Germany providing their allies with weapons and vehicles is a woefully misplaced point. German tank crews were often given tanks that were of Czech (or similar) origin, Germany couldn't fully equip themselves with their own equipment - how could they equip their allies? Again, on their alliances, the Italians were inherently embarrassing and really were of no use to the Axis militarily - poorly trained and even worse equipped. Other Balkan nations aided too, but they were far too small in number to be of any major aid against the USSR. Now, about Franco and Spain, well Hitler didn't miss a thing with him, Spain was never joining the war - they didn't want to risk war with the United States and there were actually many members of the Spanish government and military being bribed by Britain to NOT join Hitler.
@LuanMower55
@LuanMower55 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with everything except about the italians being COMPLETELY useless, as, if i recall, rommel praised the ability of the italian soldiers accompanying him before the allied counter offensives and torch began (idk the exact quote or time, it's been a while), and blamed their officers for their incompetence; He's not my idol, he fought for the wrong side, and i don't much care for the man, but if i'm gonna trust anyone, i'll trust the guy riding around in a tank/vehicle watching those italians do battle.
@olgagaming5544
@olgagaming5544 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but i think he was talking about italians fighting in ussr
@wawaweewa9159
@wawaweewa9159 Жыл бұрын
Help build factories in said countries....
@henkschrader4513
@henkschrader4513 Жыл бұрын
They could've given the blueprints 😂
@reaperhd1883
@reaperhd1883 3 ай бұрын
​​@@henkschrader4513then the allies would have gotten the German designs because of one corrupt man
@alexpodgaets5658
@alexpodgaets5658 9 ай бұрын
Russian here Welders won World War II Electric welding under flux replenished the ranks of machinery x10 times faster than rivets and screws ever could. Then throughout 1940s it got into every factory of the USSR In the West electric welding under flux became mainstream in the industry in 1960s and later Technical excellency wins wars, the same is true for WW2
@TheMajorActual
@TheMajorActual 2 жыл бұрын
Hindsight is always 20/20. The facts are, Germany had very few advantages, compared to its opposition, and was very much the land equivalent to Japan: They would either win in the first c.6 months of their respective campaigns, or they would lose. That was true in Western Europe: the war in the West was over in 9 months; it ended at Dunkirk and Paris. The only reason there was still technically a "war" in September of 1940, was because a) Germany could not - and didn't see any real need to - invade Britain, and b) Churchill's dogged refusal to surrender, even though he couldn't really get at Germany. Poland had fallen even faster. Japan's war plan vs the US acknowledged the fact they absolutely could not win a protracted war with the US, so they aimed to smash the US Navy and capture the Philippines in 6 months, then negotiate...which they did. The problem was that the US was not interested in negotiating after Pearl Harbor, and wanted to annihilate Japan -- which they proceeded to do, because the US's only negotiating point was Japan's total and unconditional surrender. Certain people tend to gloss over the fact that the Soviet Union was, if anything, a "left-handed" German ally until June of 1941. Both Hitler and Stalin detested each other, and war on the Eastern Front was inevitable; the only questions were, who would strike first and when. But that cut both ways: that was why the Finns remained skeptical of siding fully with Germany against Russia. And, while the German war industry managed to keep producing until Allied troops literally overran the factories, in many cases, they could never produce enough weapons and equipment to re-outfit their allies to a German standard (as was proved by the Spanish _Blue Division,_ which was handed German uniforms and weapons...and then had exactly the same logistical problems as the German units next to them), not that it would have helped, because their allies had all the same fuel problems as Germany, just on a smaller scale -- and no, Romanian oil production was maxed out, already. As well, while people knew that there was oil in certain places in the Middle East, there were few verified fields (no one seriously suspected that Libya was awash in oil, for example), there were very few refineries there, and there was no realistic way to transport it back to Germany in the middle of combat operations. The only way that Germany - or Japan - could win in WW2, was if their respective opponents surrendered or collapsed in the first six months of operations. Period.
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Even Stalingrad was way too late. If it had forced the collapse of the Soviet Union by denying the Soviets the Caucasus food basket and oil for another year, the Wehrmacht would still be badly mauled, inherit a wasteland, the Caucasus oilfields would be bombed to rubble by Allied air forces based in the Middle East AND the Allies would be massively gearing up their war in the air and at sea that Germany could not win. 1943 was too late. North Africa was still going to be lost, Italy would still capitulate, German industry would still be paralyzed by the Oil Campaign and the bombing of railway marshalling yards.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
total nonsense, the USSR had a manpower crisis in '44. Japan is of course another story, however Germany was offered more than a more than a surrender a little less than a White peace, so if Germany had accepted, Germany just beat the USSR, that is just the facts. The German logistical problems were rarely crushing as Germany was able to keep a broad and strong front for half a decade, Germany wasnt slowly beaten back over time, they fell apart all at once and the Soviets largely drove, not unopposed, but covering hundreds of miles in a few months, this is indicative of everything coming unraveled all at once, not a sign of long standing issues giving incremental gains/losses. Germany had such a tactical superiority toward the end of the war, even in total collapse they were able to hammer the Soviets and the Americans. Romanian oil production was not maxed out, I dont even know why you would lie about something so easily accessible. Furthermore post-war the USSR and the Western allies convened and declared they just barely defeated Germany and another war involving them would be untenable. You dont like the Germans when they were based so you want to make them look bad, you are a seething chimpanzee with an inferiority complex.
@TheMajorActual
@TheMajorActual Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 KZfaq protects fools and you certainly qualify. Go read a book, and quit simping for Austrian corporals.
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Жыл бұрын
@Gogi The halt order at Dunkirk came because the Germans were at the end of their logistics. They were out of fuel and spare parts. And the area around Dunkirk was swampy and not suited for armoured warfare. And you need infantry to support armour. And the French conducted a superb defense of Dunkirk during the evacuation. Autumn of 1941 is too late. Rains have come, army is slowed to a crawl. Moscow is turned into a bristling fortress, the most heavily-defended city on earth, before the Germans get there. The chance was in the late summer/beginning of autumn. Push ahead and take Moscow by storm, do not divert to Kiev. Risk being overextended when the Soviets counterattack later. Or not. Even so. The collapse of the Soviet Union will gain Germany little. No oil - the Allies air forces based in the Middle East would have bombed the Caucasus back into the Stone Age. Grain, yes. But still. A scorched-earth policy applied by Stalin had already destroyed much of value by August/September and partisans would wreak even more havoc for years. It would take Germany a long time to get anything of economic value out of the corpse of the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, the Western Allies are gearing up a war at sea that Germany *cannot* win and was the single biggest drain on its economy IRL. The second biggest drain was the war in the air, which the Western Allies fought 75% of anyway, and still won it. And they will still bomb the shit out of Germany and paralyze its economy by 1945. And the Manhattan Project is still going to be way, way ahead of Germany under any scenario. It had already started in May 1941. The Allies will push rocket technology like mad in this case. Germany even with the resources of a defeated USSR - which it will not really be able to make use of for many years - simply cannot match the vast economic power and resources of the USA and the British Empire and all their allies. The Bomb is going to win the war under any scenario by 1950 at the latest, by which time, IRL, the Americans had 300. The Nazis would still have zero. It too American industry 10% of all its electricity for four years to develop the Bomb. And the USA produced far more electricity than any other country in 1940. No other country possessed such capacity. Not Germany, not the USSR. Certainly not the USSR after the German invasion had pushed its economy to the brink of collapse. And Germany had no uranium, it would have to mine it in the USSR. And it was still going to be way behind the Americans and the UK even if or when it did.
@thomassandman6950
@thomassandman6950 Жыл бұрын
At last, someone who knows his History. World War 2 was such a multifascited war, that it takes years to fully understand it. Over the years, you really learned your history, which is a glimmer of hope for this world. Period.
@carljohnsoncj6558
@carljohnsoncj6558 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos :)
@chrissanchez9935
@chrissanchez9935 Жыл бұрын
Very Good analyses! 👍 Thank You for the informative video.
@pascalrode-kotze3953
@pascalrode-kotze3953 Жыл бұрын
Great Video ceep on making theese Videos they are really good and historically accurate!
@runchuxu823
@runchuxu823 2 жыл бұрын
I really like your video that you brought up an entirely different point of view against potential history's (I like his video too), but here are some of my opinions to develop upon yours after studying eastern front for a long time. You mentioned german's negligence to equip axis allied nations with tanks and anti-tank guns, and that's not possible at the time of 1942 where the entire German war industry was a corrupted mess led by Fritz Todt, that could not even supply enough equipment to German units, considering the panzer divisions were not at full strength. German manpower management was big mess too that valuable manpower were kept by Fromm's reserve army (~2M) and Goring's Luftwaffe (~1M) and could not be sent to the front. The main goal of the 2nd Hungarian, 8th Italian and 3nd and 4th Romanian army were to dig in along river don in a defensive stance and therefore no heavy fighting were expected, so it seems reasonable not to equip them with German equipments and kept the best for 6th army and 4th panzer army in Stalingrad as well as 17th army and 1st panzer army in Caucasus.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
Speer though, if they had made the right choices earlier they would have been outproducing the allies regarding the relevant materials and they would have had a numerical advantage against the USSR in 1944 if they had played a better game in the West and especially the Balkans, not Greece, but Yugoslavia.
@gobihoukou1
@gobihoukou1 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to hear your opinion about the effects of Munich Conference (which is regarded as massive betrayal in affected countries, forcing Czechia to become german protectorat and Slovakia to ally with them), and how would ww2 go if Czecho-Slovakia was allowed to keep its border defenses and fight back against germans.
@peepothefrog
@peepothefrog Жыл бұрын
Man I love your Content everytime I learn so much new thank you so much
@flong9033
@flong9033 10 ай бұрын
amazing I am fan of History since childhood read a lot in various languages and you could still surprise me with some unknown facts GREAT and very good capacity of analysis really great
@pissfather6798
@pissfather6798 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda weird talking about the napoleonic campaign and then seriously believing the germans taking moskau wouldve changed much of anything, the russians would’ve probably burned it down again if not try to turn it into a proto stalingrad
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda weird to think Moskau wasnt important in Napolions Time therefore it wasnt important 80 years ago
@glockymenor6760
@glockymenor6760 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing job 💪🏻💪🏻
@papasmurph2564
@papasmurph2564 2 жыл бұрын
Loving your content 👍
@alexsmith2526
@alexsmith2526 9 ай бұрын
some of us alder people knew this but a brilliant rendition from you once again well done -history is history
@kugelkegel6978
@kugelkegel6978 3 жыл бұрын
The US would probably have declared war on germany anyway sooner or later. Because of an inevitable alliance with the Allies due to japanese attacks on Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia. And more and more accidents due to submarine warfare! Spain would have probably joined germany if it wasn't for Wilhelm Canaris, it had nothing to do with diplomacy. before franco and hitler even met in 1940, franco was already against joining the axis and made impossible demands due to Canaris work against Hitler in Spain. The finnish goal was never to destroy the sovjet, only to recapture lost lands. Even thought finnland was a rather athoritarian democracy, mannerheim despised hitler and the nazis and only used them. You are partially right about diplomacy. Ribbontrop was incompetent and the axis could have had more allies in europe and maybe in the middle east. But due to the geographical position there were not many options left for possible allies. And many of the possible options would have been more of a drag than of any help. Also like you said the german supremacy complex of the nazis, robbed them of many allies. Many people of the sovjet union hailed them as liberators but turned on them after a while because the nazis were not better and even worse than Stalin. The sovjet campaign was a very complecate one. I personally think that a fast victory against the ussr would have been impossible and would at least dragged on for a couple of years. And the german industry was not made for a long war. With an allied naval blockade and no more raw materials and resources from the ussr, nazi occupied europe would not have the ressourcen for a rather "modern" war(oil, tungsten, iron, food...)! But there are so many other factors that played into this theatre of WW2. Also capturing Murmansk would have changed very little, because many supplies came also through Iran/Persia. And with the western allies, especially UK still in the war, Germany had to focus a lot of ressourcen, men and material on other fronts, occupations and possible invasion points. Not to mention the air and bombing war in western europe... The italian army wasn't that bad as history portrait it. It had one of the best commandos in the war(frog men). Their tanks and weapons were made for alpine warfare and not for desert combat or the ukraine plains. Low moral and poor leadership like the french in 1940 was the biggest factor for italian failures. I would love to discuss this further. Please tell me if i am wrong somewhere or somehow. I am only human like you, all my informations come reading and learning from other people, maybe i learned or read something wrong. Shit happens XD I really like your enthusiasm about history, but like i mentioned a few videos back. You are still very young, have still lot to learn and not much experience. I get that, you might think you know very much, especially in that age. Don't lose your passion and you will be a great historian someday.
@Chosen_Ash
@Chosen_Ash 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but without Germany declaring war on them it would take another year for usa to join and the morale would be such fucking ass
@matheusbee3441
@matheusbee3441 2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if am wrong, but, if had Franco joined the war and reclaimed Portugal territory as part of Spain as it once were, and considering that the Axis would have a mutual diplomatic exchange into helping each other, wouldn't that mean to deprivate the Allies of something around 9-10% of all tungsten production in the world, and pretty much all the tungsten in Europe? In that scenario, and considering the geographic location, wouldnt mean an easy supply of tungsten for germany, which was the one resource they lacked the most, even before oil went into the equation? In the same regard, wouldn't that also mean the complete closure of the Mediterranean sea and a more difficult Mediterranean canpaing for the allies, basically ensuring the capture of the Suez Canal and ensuring a steady supply of oil from the middle east whilst negating Great Britain from almost all of it's oil supply? Sorry, this enters alternative history, but I always found the argument that "its alternate history then, it doesnt hold a point" complete BS, simply because any single action being changed already means it is alternative history
@kugelkegel6978
@kugelkegel6978 2 жыл бұрын
@@matheusbee3441 I love alternate history. The problem is, we who try to make theorys about alternate history, already see the whole picture! The people at the time didn't. Hitler never wanted to go to Africa or the Balkans. But Mussolini dragged him into it. That's why so limited ressources were put into this theater of the war. Spain was a destroyed country with basically no idustry and franco and spain didn't want to fight another war. Except a few hardliner who hated the communists with all their heart... That's also why the spanish volunteers (division azul) only fought on the eastern front. Because Franco feared the reaction of the western allies. He knew his country wasn't ready. Portugal and Spain signed a non aggression pact in 1939. They supported the facists in the civil war and had a very good relationship with the franco goverment. Portugal under Salazar and the estado novo was a very militarized society. No easy target and just another enemy for Hitler. Don't forget that Portugal was neutral until 1944. As soon as Italy joined the war, most of the supply to the UK went around South Africa and not through the mediterreanian. Only the mediterreanian bases were supplied though it. Everything else was to dangerous because of the italian navy and axis air power. Now let's ignore all that and say, they do all that. Now the axis is holding the iberian penisular and closed off the mediterranean. Now they have 3 new fronts! Spanish Marroco/Saharah, Sudan and southern agypt AND the whole middle east with iraq/iran. Even though Iraq revolted in 1940. It was quickly put down and southern Iran was basically controlled by the UK, because of their oil. With India Oman, Jemen, Qatar, and Kuweit und allied control the middle east would have been a long and wide new front to take care of. There is no closing off the middle east, even if the axis take the suez and the levant, maybe iraq. North western africa(marocco, algier, tunis) was under full control of the axis forces in october 1942 and the lost it in under a month. Operation Torch started in Britain, not in gibraltar or any other mediterreanian/atlantic base. It was easy to lose all that control, it's very hard to hold all that newly conquered land. Also now the whole iberian peninsular is part of the atlantic wall! Thausends of kilometres more to guard and watch. Very difficult topic. Taking Malta, Gibraltar and Zypern already screams for another disaster like crete!
@matheusbee3441
@matheusbee3441 2 жыл бұрын
@@kugelkegel6978 Gibraltar I believe would be easier than what you consider, because, having Spain on their side would mean a direct land attack on it, and increasingly difficult to reinforce and supply the region. Gibraltar and Malta and the whole Mediterranean theatre would be cut off besides the naval bases in Morroco. But the scenario I find more interesting is not the Mediterranean or European one. What if I like the most is, what would happen if Germany had a better foreign policy and managed to bring Brazil on their side of the war, which already was a concern to the USA at the time. Now, Brazil's role in the war was very important for the Mediterranean theatre, more important than people realize it to be. It was a major supply hub for the troops in the Mediterranean and did an outstanding job at maintaining the Atlantic safely. But more important than that would be, what would be the reaction of the rest of South America? Argentina already was cooperating with Germany undercover, and Venezuela was sympathetic to Germany, I come to believe from my knowledge that the majority of South America would follow Brazil in this regard and open a front in South America. Now, that would be very interesting, because Brazil and South America in general would be extremely hard to invade and the Germans would have means to supply their Uboats very close to USA supply lines, and Brazil would not have as big as an outcry as it did at the time by joining the Allies, because it had huge communities of Italians, Japanese and Germans. Uhm... tell me your thoughts about this scenario.
@kugelkegel6978
@kugelkegel6978 2 жыл бұрын
@@matheusbee3441 I don't know. This seems very far fetched... I don't see a reason why brasil should/would join the axis. The US forgein police of Pax americana would draw the US even faster into WW2 then Pearl Habour. All of south america received a lot of economic aid from the US before and esspecially during WW2 to hold them tight to the allied cause. Brazil and Columbia would be the least of americas concern, even with sizeable axis migration. More troubleing were Chile and Argentina who activly allowed axis uboats and espionage. But they would have little hope in joining the axis because there military capability was very little and they would be cut off german support from the start. Uboats could operate on the eastern coast even in our timeline. The biggest draw backs of the Uboat wasn't missing bases in the atlantic, but the introduction of the convoy system and the big steps in technology for uboat detection. Also it's always very hart to unity south american countries, because they all hate each others... When one joins then 2 others would join the other side to fuck them up. But i agree, a better german forgein police would change a lot, in europe and the rest of teh world. Thank god that Ribbentrop was so incompetent. He looked down on everything non german, how can you do forgein police like this? After the start of WW2 german forgein police basically came to a complete halt. Ribbentrop feared that he would become irrelevant so much, that he activly contributed to the holocaust.
@alfran1
@alfran1 Жыл бұрын
Your Opinion at the end was very interesting - especially as a german. I learned a lot of new things (for example the mindset from a part of french or why Franco stayed neutral). I really would like to see awhole video about this. What is also very interessting is how Hitler and the NSDAP were getting so powerful in the 20ths. Hitler were alreay meeting in the early 20ths (as he was a nobody) the american millitary attachee. A lot of things give strong incidence that Hitler and NSDAP were strongly supported bye British and American powers (Intelligence or/and financial industrial groups) as they had strong foreign currencies during the economic crash at the endd of 20thies. Probably these powers wanted to install Hitler in order to have someone who will fight against Russia. For example:Alan Dulles, the founder of CIA was callobarting wis Nazis as americ already entered the war. Hitler also wrote in his book (Mn Kmpf) that he wants to conquer area in the east and that he sees England as "natural" ally....
@invictus99
@invictus99 Жыл бұрын
I'm a little bit late to the show but thank you sir! I've just watched another completely different perspective on WWII
@andrecharlier2555
@andrecharlier2555 Жыл бұрын
VERY GOOD STRATEGIC ANALYSIS. The best I have listened to in America so far. Congrats!!!
@USER351
@USER351 Жыл бұрын
I beleive you are mostly right in your final analysis, except regarding Italian airplanes. They actually had some very good designs although they needed more manhours to produce versus for instance the Bf109. Possibly German engine supply would have enhanced their capabilities just like in the case of the P51 + Merlin. However we can analyze and comment how the WWII could have ended differently forever. I beleive the numbers speak for themselves the size of the axis versus the size of the allies and resourses. If the turning points would not have come at the battles they did, they would have come at other battles maybe later. All military organisations make right and wrong decisions, and it is easy to sit here now and suggest what they should have done differently versus being on the frontline having to make the immediate decision, and I beleive the way the war ended was inevitable.
@bogoljubdjordjevic7528
@bogoljubdjordjevic7528 11 ай бұрын
No I talians just not warrior's they try so many time and don't work plus they are not bravest people
@Birdy890
@Birdy890 9 ай бұрын
The best Italian planes were the best BECAUSE they were supplied with German Engines. The same engine that was in the 109 went into their later Italian counterparts and it produced one of the best fighter aircraft of not only the axis powers but of the war, problem is they got these planes too late meaning the only people left to pilot them were less experienced pilots that simply didn't have the abilities that their earlier comrades possessed. It's one of the main disadvantages of the fascist mindset- they see themselves as a warrior class and romanticize warfare to the point that pulling pilots, tankers and other soldiers off the line to simply train new soldiers was out of the question. Meanwhile the allied powers were doing exactly that - taking their most successful pilots, solidiers, officers etc. off the front and bringing them back home to try and explain to new soldiers how and why they're successful.
@USER351
@USER351 9 ай бұрын
@@Birdy890 The Germans went to Italy to look at Italian airplane designs particularly the Macci 205, which was powered by the DB 605 as a replacement of the Bf 109. It took the Itallians approximately 15000 hours to complete a unit, and the Germans figured they could maybe get it down to 10000 hours with German efficiency. A Bf 109 took some 5000 hours to complete, so they decided to to develop the BF 109 further instead, and it was an is an excellent fighter and airplane (exept for possibly the narrow landing gear giving it reduced ground roll stability, a feature it shares with the Spitfire).
@Birdy890
@Birdy890 9 ай бұрын
@@USER351Italians are not exactly known for either their work ethic or their mass-production capabilities so that's not a great surprise. Fact of the matter is that nearing the end of (their) war they were producing some of the best fighter planes the world had seen, and it was a direct result of them using German engines. I think they produced the CR.42 till the end of the war and thought that plane was their mass-produced one while the other later models could compliment them, but that proved to be a pretty bad idea.
@AlexanderYap
@AlexanderYap 2 жыл бұрын
Germany simply did not have the resources to win WW2 the way it started. I think the only way Germany had any chance was if WW2 started differently. Perhaps if they could trick Stalin to invade Poland first, and let the Allies fight the USSR at the start. Or started by joining Finland in the Winter war, the Allies might be persuaded to support Germany.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
Germany passed up the USSR's peace offer, they obviously had the resources as they literally brought the war to a point where the USSR would cease hostilities. The Western allies, prior to landing, would not stand a chance against the full weight of Germany keeping them off the continent, furthermore other Europeans probably would have assisted the Germans, it is not well known but the Norwegians and Danes were engaged in some fighting to resist allied occupation, as did many in the Balkans. The Anglos were not seen as liberators in Europe, people at this time had not yet forgotten the Great Game or the toll the Anglo-sphere took on mainland Europe. In fact over half of Europe would outright find themselves in a state of diplomatic hostility with the British and Americans-The Cold War.
@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333
@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 10 ай бұрын
​@@joepetto9488Actually, the entire background for launching Barbarossa was because NSDAP Germany was economically broken in 1941. It was a campaign for resources. It was an impossible task due to the enormous lines of communication across terrain that were inhospitable for six months of the year.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 10 ай бұрын
​@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 not really, their economy was booming and they had a strong and independent protectionist system, the same system which allowed the United States to overcome and eventually Dominate Britain. Barbarossa was launched in order to strike a knockout blow against the only rival which could reasonably match Germany in martial power. Propaganda aside, the Germans knew the Slavic peoples were mighty in war and industrious in peace, so its only natural they try to one shot their great union before they can become an existential threat. It wasnt impossible. Germany defeated them two decades prior and numerous successful expeditions into the steppe have been made historically, for instance the Poles subjugated and held everything but Moskow for 150 years.
@vercot7000
@vercot7000 8 ай бұрын
@@joepetto9488 their economy was not booming lmfao. Did you get your sources from Goebbels? Again, Kershaw also proved that Germany artificially deflated their unemployment rates, wages dropped between 20-30% and small businesses declined by 11%
@olgagaming5544
@olgagaming5544 7 ай бұрын
If their economy was booming, it was only because of the plunder. Before the wars it was about to hit a major crisis. Germany could have won but only if it fought against the USSR first without triggering the war with allies. The war on sea and the war in air took a lot of resources. It would have to take idk, a lot of pro-polish moves to ally them but it wouldnt be possible with the level of nazi's lack of foresight and their will to beat France first.
@lofisstealin4012
@lofisstealin4012 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@dramit4635
@dramit4635 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis
@carlosmedina1281
@carlosmedina1281 2 жыл бұрын
The issue with these scenarios is that it would require the Nazis to be well not Nazis.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
no it wouldnt, it would only require for the Germans to be opportunistic in ways they already were just at different times. You should actually read something from that time instead of hanging off every word that comes from post-war "academics" who only want to bury a long dead enemy.
@sunrisings292
@sunrisings292 Жыл бұрын
Agree. In the East, the German policy of Lebensraum required to exterminate the Soviet population, not "ally" with it. So, the horrified Soviet people hated the Germans far more than the Commies, and with good reason. And Japan and Germany were the worst allies, ever: When the Soviets were pounding the Japanese Army, the Germans went to Moscow to sign a non aggression pact with Stalin in person.... When the Germans were about to start Barbarossa, the Japanese signed their own non aggression pact with the Soviets. LoL. Agree with your simple point. To win, the Nazis needed to be... Not Nazis.
@johng4093
@johng4093 Жыл бұрын
And require Hitler not be Hitler.
@vercot7000
@vercot7000 8 ай бұрын
@@joepetto9488the sources that are most accurate so happened to be the academics you hate so much. Let’s try something, though. Ian Kershaw is one of these academics who says that Germany having an economic “miracle” is largely a myth. He also downplays German wartime strategies are incompetent due to logistical and communication issues. For example, Manstein lying to AH about Stalingrad. What evidence do you have to the contrary? It seems you are driven by emotion more than facts
@waynzignordics
@waynzignordics Жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering, the little jingle in the video is "Erika!" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qMmGlZmdmbrUeKs.html My understanding for why Germany declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor is that we had been blockading oil from reaching Germany, which is essentially a declaration of war during wartime.
@matcauthon9669
@matcauthon9669 3 жыл бұрын
So this will be a thread about each point your boy makes. 1.) Moscow- For someone who was talking about Napoleon's campaigns you seem to forget that he took Moscow after the Battle of Borodino but the Russians did not surrender after that. This also implies that the Germans would be able to take Moscow, to begin with, but according to Glantz and House in their book "When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Defeated Hitler" they point out that the German army at the Gates of Moscow was running on fumes and with units severely depleted. This is an army that could barely take the smaller cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol, and couldn't take a smaller city like Stalingrad.
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
I am fully aware of Napoleon’s 1812 campaign in Russia, but at the time Moscow was not the junction of all the railways in the country, thus it was less important than in WW2. Leningrad and Moscow were strategic objectives, but the Germans underestimated Soviet reserves
@herrkommandant1876
@herrkommandant1876 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Moscow maybe wasn't the capital of the Russian army, but it's cultural importance was bigger than St. Petersburg (one of the main reasons why it was set on fire intead of allowing the French capture it) Napoleon had captured Smolensk already, wich also had a huge importance to the Russian people, and in one of the most debated what ifs in history he decided to keep going forward, crush the 2 Russian armies and do winter quarters in Moscow while doing peace Negotiations. It almost worked, but in another big what if he decided on a frontal assault into the Russian defenses instead of Davout's suggestion of outflanking them. We do not know what could have happened if he followed that advise, but the choice he made ended up in such a carnage that the French were not able to persue tge Russians, neither crush them.
@matheusbee3441
@matheusbee3441 2 жыл бұрын
@@James-wu6qh You forget that the German army purportedly focused on Stalingrad, depriving the rest of the front of much-needed supplies, had they focused their resources in Moscow rather than Stalingrad you would see more troops, better equipped to assault Moscow, which would also mean no Stalingrad assault until Moscow was captured, also means they don't need to capture the whole city, rather, enough to disrupt the USSR logistical train, which would ultimately lead to reinforcements to Stalingrad being exponentially harder if even feasible.
@thewatchman9540
@thewatchman9540 Жыл бұрын
@@herrkommandant1876 in 1812, St Petersburg was a more important city than Moscow. In fact, culturally St Petersburg is still considered the most important city in Russia. When it pertains to its culture and history.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
Moscow being taken by the Germans would mean they could not outfight their mirrored army or bring them to the front, the Germans could deny the USSR their unified supply chain which would shut down the Red Army's ability to encircle and pick apart, furthermore it means the Soviets can no longer build a hundred miles of trenches and stock them with enough ammo for sustaining 100 miles worth of fighting. Moreover the vatnik superstate staged its large offensives at the operational level using a deep battle method where they would form a large scale attack column brought in from the reserve to pierce the break in the line and attack supply nodes and surround smaller divisions/armies, the Russians essentially lose their "cavalry" advantage as well as their "infantry" advantage. This is not a fight the USSR wins. Especially if the Germans just made personal choices differently such as pushing for the MP44, Panther, and Fighters even against the orders of their Highest Commander. Germany taking Moscow would be easy if they didnt try to eat the entire nation all once. Just because you dont like them because they pointed how much of a failure your people are compared to them, does not mean they were bad fighters or their defeat was rock-fated.
@megrimlockmesmart.1200
@megrimlockmesmart.1200 2 жыл бұрын
Franco had already signed the Iberian Treaty with Salazar. Franco and Salazar knew pretty well that Spain and Portugal had nothing to win by joining the allies (Portugal) or the axis (spain).
@zamzamazawarma928
@zamzamazawarma928 2 жыл бұрын
About the Finns. They were still considering themselves neutral between the Germans and the western Allies. By only retaking their rightful territories, they sought not to anger the western Allies, and to avoid drawing the attention of the Red Army - which worked. By the way, they were the only ones, along with the Japanese, to know what the Red Army was all about. Obviously they weren't taking a German victory for granted and preferred to wait before fully committing to their side.
@ey7290
@ey7290 2 жыл бұрын
Finland was supplied by both Germany and the western allies for men and material, they were just looking for any support they could get
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir 2 жыл бұрын
My hot take as a Finnish reenactor (obligatory white death joke) is that the Finns would've been massacred in urban combat in Leningrad. The Finns could and did steamroll the Red Army in the countryside/forest but the Soviets were beasts in urban combat. Never invade Finland and never throw down with Soviets in a city.
@gtst559
@gtst559 2 жыл бұрын
Finland took some land from the soviets
@marjanp
@marjanp 2 жыл бұрын
@@gtst559 Only those which they lost after Winter war.
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 2 жыл бұрын
Turks where kinda the same thing. They waited on the sidelines just like in ww1 and were preparing another round of genocides for if the Nazis won against USSR. But they knew damn well that if they started massacring the Armenians again and USSR was still around they would regret it.
@cameronbaigrie876
@cameronbaigrie876 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of soviet and allied equipment they captured in the begging of the war could have easily been given to their allies, but then the argument arises if they didn’t smelt all that equipment then would they be able to make as much equipment as they did.
@simeonweiss6993
@simeonweiss6993 2 жыл бұрын
It also would've put more strain on the already very stressed german logistics.
@archersfriend5900
@archersfriend5900 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Germany reused all that captured military equipment. A huge part of their panzer forces were made up of captured Czeck tanks. They mounted captured 76mm guns on their tanks.
@henkschrader4513
@henkschrader4513 Жыл бұрын
I got a stroke reading this
@Gamesick-go9sr
@Gamesick-go9sr 11 ай бұрын
war speculation is fun and thats what is getting me into war gaming board games.
@brothers_of_nod
@brothers_of_nod Жыл бұрын
An excellent video
@cjrecio5702
@cjrecio5702 3 жыл бұрын
You should watch part 2, he answers why Germany declared war on the US.
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
Might react to it
@isaiahkayode6526
@isaiahkayode6526 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Please Do it also explains why they Couldn't Invade Britain as well as don't declare War on all Three Nations
@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger
@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the video of TIK(history) as he is called now is better. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jN2EgLVom9faY4E.html
@LuxG
@LuxG 2 жыл бұрын
As a historian myself I have to. Disagree in only one thing, most of the German tanks had the same interior parts (engine etc) from the same companies (opel Mercedes etc) so they could be replaceable even if it wasn't the same model damaged
@JeanLucCaptain
@JeanLucCaptain 2 жыл бұрын
What about the huge number of Beutpanzers and the unnecessarily complex designs that most German tanks especially the heavy ones seemed to favour?
@jrmckim
@jrmckim 3 ай бұрын
Maybe for the tanks but you can't say the same thing for the trucks. How can you keep tanks operating without supplies? This is a big problem no one has really touched on. There were several dozen brands of army trucks each with dozens of models and types. Almost to the point, it was impossible to get the correct part. It was a mess.
@iKvetch558
@iKvetch558 3 жыл бұрын
Your reasons why Germany could have won the war all seem to revolve around the idea of the Nazis NOT being Nazis. If only they were more diplomatic...if only they treated their allies better...but that is the point of the original video. In order to craft a scenario where Germany could win, you have to change too many events and make people act too differently than they normally acted. If the Nazis were no so much like Nazis, then there probably would not have been a war to begin with. 🖖 But I have to correct you on one important point...If Hitler had not declared war on the US on December 10, 1941, he might have bought himself 2 or 3 months delay in US entry against Germany at most. The fact is that when America agreed to the Atlantic Charter committing them to the destruction of Nazi Germany in August of 1941, war between the US and Germany was inevitable...and soon. FDR was doing a damned good job provoking Hitler and pushing the Germans. Lend Lease in March of 41, then the US "invaded" Iceland and extended US waters to cover it, and began escorting British convoys...I believe it was July of 41 when FDR declared unrestricted warfare on all German vessels anywhere in US waters. The 2 main reasons with Hitler declared war on the US are because his Admirals were telling him the u-boat war would be lost if they could not attack US ships, and also because he believed that they had effectively already declared war on him.🖖💯✌
@teethirtyfour7394
@teethirtyfour7394 2 жыл бұрын
You’re acting like they were Disney villains, evil for the sake of being evil, when that just wasn’t the case
@iKvetch558
@iKvetch558 2 жыл бұрын
@@teethirtyfour7394 Not at all...in fact, just the opposite. I am not the one who is rewriting the Nazis to craft scenarios where they could win...it is the folks who do rewrite them to make them win that are treating them like cartoon villains...I take them as they were. I have come across a few interesting theories for alternate history, but they are actually very rare, since the huge majority of the "what ifs" for Germany winning WW2 revolve around the Nazis not being who they really were.
@canthi109
@canthi109 2 жыл бұрын
So basicallly the nazi will won the war if they arent nazi!
@iKvetch558
@iKvetch558 2 жыл бұрын
@@canthi109 Not exactly...it is not that they would win if they were not so Nazi...it is that they only had a chance to win if they were not so Nazi. 🖖✌
@vinz4066
@vinz4066 2 жыл бұрын
@@canthi109 But then as original commenter Said there would be No war in the First Place
@dennisjohnson6541
@dennisjohnson6541 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, so I finished watching your video. Some things I think you were right on, and some things I think you were wrong on. Interestingly enough, I had a series of discussions with the person who created the video you watched. First, the loss of Russian men were bolstered by the divisions that came from the russo/Japanese lines. Which in turn gave more time for the Russians to train more men. Plus the addition of getting general zhukov. Second, another failure of the Germans, and the most critical. Was the failure to recognize that the "roads" on the German maps of the soviet union were not really roads at all, and was a huge factor in slowing down the German advance. Even today a good portion of Russian roads are crappy to almost non existent. Third, the nazi movement was hugely popular in the democratic countries of Britain, France, and the United States. As such, they actually had great intelligence from these sources at the start. Fourth, the schlieffen plan was going to be used. But a German scout plane crashed in belgian territory that had these plans for the battle. Knowing that the allies had these plans, Hitler made the decision to go with Gen. Mansteins plans developed by Guderian to attack through the Ardennes. If not for that plane crash, who knows what might actually have played out. Fifth, Finland actually stopped their advance in fear of Russian reprisal if they actually took the Kola peninsula. Their only real goal was to take back what was lost to Russia in the winter war. Should the Germans have pressed the issue? Probably not, as they never even linked up with the Finns. Had they pressed them, they more than likely would have sued for peace with the Russians even faster. As for Spain, the made it very clear that they could not field an army for war and knew that they couldn't stop a push from Britain at Gibralter. Which was actually very apt on Franco's part as he was still trying to solidify his power within the country. But if you would like you can message me here for my e-mail and we could discuss it further as that would interest me very much. Have a good one. Dennis
@pavelslama5543
@pavelslama5543 2 жыл бұрын
32:04 Finns were first and foremost very short on manpower. They had hardly enough men for defensive operations, let alone offensive. They regained the land they lost during the winter war mostly because Soviets pulled back and centered on the German front. But if Finns attacked Leningrad, they would face the real Soviet army as Germans did. Also, Murmansk is waaaayyyyy too far out of German reach. Maybe Finns would be able to block the railway going from Murmansk if they conjured a panzerdivision out of thin air, but they would not be able to hold it, as they would have no supply there, while Soviets would have supply fresh and ready from US and Britain.
@Man_of_Various_Cultures
@Man_of_Various_Cultures 2 жыл бұрын
Also, Leningrad's population was almost as large if not larger than the entire population of Finland at the time.
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it should also be noted Finlands economy was I'm serious trouble by the fall of 41 and had to send soldiers home to stave off a depression.
@roo99710
@roo99710 9 ай бұрын
love potential history nice to see him here
@ratatoskr1069
@ratatoskr1069 Жыл бұрын
I heard Manstein actually was vehemently against entering Stalingrad, but he was relieved from the command of Army Group South after the Crimean campaign. If he would have stayed in command, probably he would not have done the blunders you describe concerning Stalingrad.
@rodafowa1279
@rodafowa1279 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the potential British and French expeditionary force into Finland: There's a big issue with your statement. The Winter War started November 30, 1939. Britain and France declared war on Germany September 3, 1939. So, no, during the time of the Winter War, Britain and France weren't focused on the USSR. They never intended to help Finland. The plan was to use the Soviet invasion as cover for an attack on Norway and Sweden to capture Sweden's iron mines and the Norwegian city of Narvik, where most of the Swedish ore was sent to Germany.
@krang7245
@krang7245 2 жыл бұрын
when it came to Finland they knew the nazis are not there friends and that if they push too much the soviets all the allys and soviets would have intervened so in steed they played the long game and only held border positions and blocked a bit of leningrad to the north but never fired or try to invade after the war soviets and stalin saw how great the finish were for doing so little that thay gave them some of the old territories back.
@Femgericht
@Femgericht 11 ай бұрын
Финны вместе с Германией, хотели убить голодом, русский город ленинград вместе с 1 миллионом жителей. Это факт
@runchuxu823
@runchuxu823 2 жыл бұрын
19:40, not just Orel, also in Izium and Mius River, as well as Allied landing in Sicily.
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 3 жыл бұрын
Do part 2
@geoffbarney5914
@geoffbarney5914 3 жыл бұрын
30:00 well the Italians weren’t “dragged in”, they didn’t join until 9 months in where they tried to make easy gains lol
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, meant dragged into a conflict bigger than they could handle
@pizzacutter5469
@pizzacutter5469 3 жыл бұрын
Mussolini even told hitler that there not ready for a long war and it would take them till 1945 or more
@Londronable
@Londronable 3 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends I think people really don't understand how much less developed Italy was compared to the UK, France, Germany and the lower countries. Italy, especially the South, was still mostly farmland and basically lacked any and all industry. GDP 1938 Italy: 23.7m Germany: 77.2m Belgium+Netherlands:16,5m(so even they in terms of per capita dwarfed Italy) France: 39,2m UK: 56m USSR: 76m
@scpguy1381
@scpguy1381 2 жыл бұрын
32:57 actually Spain would have run out of supply in 2 months due to its damaged infrastructure and economy from The civil war. They would have been a burden
@hp2084
@hp2084 2 жыл бұрын
Just saying that Moskow is railway hub just says that its would be near impossible to capture because any amount of supplies can be brought over there from anywhere.
@loneirregular1280
@loneirregular1280 Жыл бұрын
1) the build more stuff sounds easy, but with how thinly stretched the resources were already i think it would have hastened Germany's fall. Stug 3 was basically outdated by 1943/44 with the introduction of Russian T34/85. Besides that the casemate chassis is still a bit more defensive than offensive, although its lower silhouette could have helped it in offensive situations. But the point is that flanking a Stug is easier and is more likely to ramp up German losses. Higher elevation to ground could add a bit of an extra range. Was it a good idea to invest into Tigers instead of P4s? Not necessarily. While it is true that the the Tiger was less cost efficient than a P4, cost effectiveness isnt always that easy to produce. How many vehicles did each destroy by vehicle type (trucks, jeeps, ACs, light, medium, heavy tanks). How many of the German tanks were lost for each category per panzer 4/5/6? What is the crew survival rate per destroyed tank? In a limited manpower country such as Germany the latter one is especially crucial, even more so when you put your veteran soldiers into these tools. Arguably, the panzer 5 (panther) should have made all other german tanks obsolete. 2) just take Moscow: I personally think this would only matter if by capturing Moscow Stalin and the high leadership of the USSR was also captured thus creating a power struggle by beheading the snake. Generally speaking the USSR suffered a lot because of the earlier purges, showcasing a weakness in lower level initiative. 3) failing at diplomacy: yes. You have a point, but in the wrong location. I dont think Germany could have provided for its Allies when facing against the industrial might of both the US and the Sovietunion. The only way it could have destroyed the Sovietunion, is the complete abandonment of Nazi ideology, and offering up possible alternatives to the people of East Europe. For a Ukrainian being a slave for the Nazis wasnt that much different to being a slave to the Soviets, and either of which could at any time execute your Ukrainian. Replace Ukrainian with any other east european nation. 4) a side note why produce Tigers and other small wunderwaffe: because in a war there is an armament race as well. Eventually all sides would come up with a solution to panzer 4s and panzer 3s, cause at the end of the day even the USSR was averse of losses albeit not necessarily losses in manpower, but rather equipment and vehicle losses. True that while having losses to panzer 4s would result in a more equal KD ratio on all 3 fronts, having superior equipment have several advantages such as effect on morale on both of the opposing sides, as well as improving tactical flexibility of certain units. M4s took a long time to arrive to Europe and also through the Atlantic. The invasion of Normandy would have been different if Germany didnt invest into the Wolfpack as it was. A year before Operation Torch's success entirely relied on how well the Allies could fend off u-boat attacks or disguise the ships transporting troops and equipment. (This also gives an insight as to why abandoning the Kriegsmarine entirely would have resulted in a shorter time needed to defeat Germany). Back to my point transporting T34s to the front would just be as cumbersome as they were transported from the Urals since most of the Soviet Industry was moved to the Urals to protect it from German invasion. Logistics need staff and personnel too, that manpower is better spent on the front line alongside the resources needed to maintain logistics and supply lines. Having better, more survivable, more lethal equipment,on the allies side would have hastened Germany's defeat. Part of the reason behind the massive losses on the Eastern Front is due to how backwards the Sovietunion was in equipment, most of the equipment the soviets used wouldnt have allowed for anything more complex than they did. This is also why some say that the Wehrmacht equipment wasnt to accomodate Blitzkrieg but quite the opposite, the equipment that the Germans used allowed for tactics such as the Blitzkrieg. The tactics you use are the direct result of your equipment adjusted for the terrain you fight on.
@22smosh
@22smosh 11 ай бұрын
not only being a slave to nazi germany but potencially genocided as teh german plan for eastern europe was to create living space from which it could be repopulated with aryan race.
@toyo7836
@toyo7836 2 жыл бұрын
I highly doubt germany would've won ww2. Because at this stage Germany was racking up enemies. Like they're flies. Germany had more enemies than allies and the US at this time was already inching or has been inching towards the allies. And the fact that politically and logistics wise it would've been a miracle for Germany to conquer USSR while dealing with the Western powers and Asian powers against its "ally" Japan. As a Japanese my great uncle who served as an officer (I think) in the Manchuria campaign. He talked about how the Germans weren't really a big thing or ally to Japan because there was "very little communication" Is what he said. It would've been a miracle on a miracle like divine intervention type of stuff for Germany to win ww2
@henkschrader4513
@henkschrader4513 Жыл бұрын
Than you underestimate how close the Germans were and how destroyed the soviets were in 1941
@dennisjohnson6541
@dennisjohnson6541 2 жыл бұрын
Man would I love to talk with you about WWII, as a master student I could go on for hours in discussions with you. I also believe Germany could have won. But I am just starting to watch this video, so it will be interesting to see if we come to the same conclusions on this topic. My next post will be after I watch the video.
@laisphinto6372
@laisphinto6372 Жыл бұрын
How exactly?
@TsarOfLeFoogs
@TsarOfLeFoogs Жыл бұрын
@@laisphinto6372 -do exactly what Germany did up to the Battle of Britain -Continue bombing RAF airfields & factories (the luftwaffe were very close to defeating the RAF in the battle of Britain, but then focus was shifted to civilian bombing) -Delay barbarossa until Britain is defeated, which means that the full force of Germanys armies are prepared -Convince the Japanese to launch Kantokuen, which will divide the Soviet armies -don’t declare war on the USA until the USSR and Britain are defeated, then invade the US (by whatever means)
@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Жыл бұрын
​@@TsarOfLeFoogs exactly your arguments are sound there is a wonderful comfort in postulating what should or shouldn't have been done decades or centuries ago with it being impossible to be proven wrong all rather indulgent. I have noticed a remarkable lack of Russians should or shouldn't have done this or that with their invasion of Ukraine perhaps it's something that comes with time when details become known to the nth degree. In the 1950s when it was impossible , fiction of an alternate reality where Nazi Germany had conquered Britain were popular precisely because there was no chance of it happening now!
@PvtParts-hr4zv
@PvtParts-hr4zv 11 ай бұрын
@@TsarOfLeFoogs You lost me at the end. You'd never successfully invade the U.S. Even back then. No way in hell LOL
@mannen659
@mannen659 2 жыл бұрын
Very good channel. I can say that Germany didn't want to give the license of Panzer 4 and 70mm canon licenses, which could be mass-produced in the factories.
@Lovemy1911a1
@Lovemy1911a1 Жыл бұрын
Ok here's the big problem with History Legends "how Germany could win" theory, Germany could not supply weapons to its allies. It was not like the Germans sat on vast stores of weapons while the Italians, Hungarian or Romanian troops sat there with pointed sticks. The Germans were chronically short on tanks, half tracks, heavy AT guns, & numerous other weapons. Remember that the German army by the time it reached Stalingrad had not fully upgraded from using the 37mm pak 36, This is not like the Allied powers who had the great benefit of the USA who manufactured more goods than almost the rest of the world combined. Now maybe there could have been sharing of designs & technology to allow other Axis powers to manufacture better weapons but again there just is not a huge industrial base to work with. Also it doesn't solve the issues of fuel.
@erenyaeger1577
@erenyaeger1577 3 жыл бұрын
Why Germany wouldn't win the war 1)Franco did offer to join war if the Germans supplied them with oil and other resources , and had troops landed and fighting in Britain . Which Germans failed acheive .Even the Spain joined the war ,its only will give more strain to Germany . 2) Recruiting Soviet Unions population for Germans is impossible. Yes the soviet population had some difference but if an foreign army is marching in their land and trying to genocide them , of course the population will be united to face the invaders. Yeah a few russian did join the Germans but they joined to ensure their family did not get killed or starved by the Nazis . Few people joining the Nazis doesn't mean the Nazis were welcomed at the soviet union. 3) dude Germany's oil problem is so bad . Even if they did build some good tanks , those tank wouldn't be good without oil n men to run them . 4)Germany also had big food problem .(tik made a good video about this problem tho )
@canthi109
@canthi109 2 жыл бұрын
Agred
@Chosen_Ash
@Chosen_Ash 2 жыл бұрын
2 cap
@KingslayaJ
@KingslayaJ 2 жыл бұрын
What I like about watching this guy is he has some funny reaction video and he take it slow with explaining. Other historians be talking faster that fortnite sweats crank 90s
@Vahe345
@Vahe345 Жыл бұрын
oh man i want to talk to history Legends on the phone about history.
@marseldagistani1989
@marseldagistani1989 2 жыл бұрын
On the Moscow Argument. While yes Moscow was the center where the Railroads in Russia connected. The Soviets could reroute the railways away from Moscow. (After all they relocated their factories in less that 3-5 months) So while it would be hard, the Railway reroute would be doable. Also don't that Fyodor Vasilyevich Rostopchin under orders by Mihail Kutuzov, ordered Moscow to be burned to the ground, a fire of which burned down two thirds of the city.
@vallergergo737
@vallergergo737 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding your opinion on Operation Citadel: It is mostly wrong and not supported by much historical evidence, as: 1. You presume that the Germans could have just attacked 2 months prior but just didn't feel like it, but this is wholly inaccurate. The Kursk salient was formed as a result of the Kharkov Counter-Offensive, in which the combined german armored forces of army group south managed to destroy part of the soviet spearhead moving west, disorganizing the rest and reclaiming some territory. They did attempt the destruction of the salient almost immediately after this, but the offensive was stopped on day one. German forces in the northern edge were too weak to make any progress whatsoever, while those in the south were utterly exhausted and beaten down, not to mention the fact they had to contend with forces arriving from Stalingrad (after the 6th Army got destroyed). Contrary to your supposition in the video, the offensive was going incredibly bad. They were lagging behind their objectives by day one, their losses, particularly from attrition among the tank forces were taking a severe toll on them. 2. The Soviets had massive reserve forces available, enough so that after Citadel bogged down (even with all the losses they had sustained during it) they went on an immediate counterattack on the whole front, quickly dislodging the Germans from anywhere near the previous salient. Given the information, we have regarding the numbers and movements of the Red Army a scenario in which they could have been beaten by the weakened Army Group South, one that had lost an entire army in Stalingrad, and an army's worth of troops leading up and immediately following Stalingrad is near nonexistent. The only reason they did not launch their own offensive earlier is (unlike the Germans) they have learned from their defeats and decided to receive the next german offensive on prepared defenses in order to eliminate the risks of a strong armored counterattack. 3. Your assumption with regard to Hitler just wanting to play with the new tanks is practically already countered by the video you are reacting to which correctly states that he was opposed to the operation. The reason the germans waited for these new tanks is simply that they could not match the Soviets prior to this armored buildup. One in which I would like to point out, they had basically commandeered most tanks from Army Groups Center and North, just to improve their chances. It was simply a case of needing new tanks to replace lost ones. 4. Even if we warp historical decisions in such a way as to make Citadel a success (Red army doesn't get the intel, they deploy their forces to other sectors, germans are even better prepared etc.) the destruction of soviet forces in the salient would (in this best-case scenario), at best prolong the war, it would not change the outcome. The german material situation, even after Speer took over was abysmal and unmaintainable.
@1Ashram
@1Ashram 2 жыл бұрын
You say he is wrong because he assumes or presumes, but so do you, a theory is neither wrong nor right, until proven so. You could say his theory is highly unlikely, but saying outright it is wrong, is pure arrogance.
@StrakanDocrusReakal
@StrakanDocrusReakal 2 жыл бұрын
@The Drowsong these are theories that i would prefer to stay theoretical.
@tehice23
@tehice23 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed indeed.. but kinda pointless to talk about kursk in this "what if" becouse the war was already lost for germans by that time, no matter what they would have or do. It was more of a desperate attempt for glory. Even if they would won and start pushin back to moskow, the russian would eventualy get more troops to stop them again. In my oppinion, battles on the north and sounth were far more important then the center one. Sure Moscow was a logistical hub and would demoralize the soviets, but probably not as much as a citys with a leaders names. Plus, with leningrand and stalingrad, offensive on moscow would be far more effective (from more sides, with more resources, probably less oposition etc) As he sayed, nazis not beeing such nazis wound help them, alot. Theyr "diplo game" realy "sucked". Another if, but if they would apear to be nicer to invaded country, they would gather more man power, support and all. Even if just temporarely, would be enough. Not integrating french and spanish was another big fail. Its good it happened like it did, despite diplomacy flaws, its better then alternatives
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
Citadelle went the way it did because the Russians had foreknowledge of it due to British ops. If the Germans had managed to prevent this somehow they would have destroyed a majority of the Red Army and its war materials, thus making a war untenable, furthermore it is likely they could form partisan battalions to disrupt the Soviet hinterland as the Soviet homeguard would be the ones holding the line now.
@slipperfilms6571
@slipperfilms6571 3 жыл бұрын
do red dawn!!! please
@__Luminex__
@__Luminex__ 17 күн бұрын
31:36 Finland actually helped a lot during the siege of Leningrad, Without finish support, the Soviet Supply lines would not have been cut into Karelia and Onega which allowed the Germans to form a near encirclement on the city, there is also the fact that much like Stalingrad, the Germans asked the Finns to keep the northern part encircled and leave the urban warfare and subsequent capture of the city to them, which failed. (Germany proved in multiple Urban battles like Stalingrad and Leningrad that they were basically incapable of supporting protracted urban warfare, which also proves that if the Germans had made it to Moscow, it would have been a bloody attrition fight, which the Soviets were better suited for)
@h.m.siesel7363
@h.m.siesel7363 Жыл бұрын
I had an old neighbor, WWII vet. He fought in the battle of Hurtgen Forest. Artillery. But I've read a couple of good books on it. The economy depended on a hydroelectric dam, and was defended by WWI veterans, and Hitler Young too young fo9r the Army. Eventually Model (I believe) decided to spice things up with a company of officer candidates with new bars on their shoulders, and former combat experience demonstrating bravery under fire. They honored the nickname of the !st Infantry division : "The big Red One" by cutting down whole platoons using mortar rounds fired into trees. With full physical contact fuses, the mortar round explodes out like a shotgun. The effect is to sweep the ground with shrapnel - keeping in mind that the attack is moving up hill. Unnecessary Carnage because generals couldn't admit a mistake. It started a probe, then a reconnaissance en force. No clear objective. The dam became an excuse. The French have a saying: An Error is not a Mistake unless you Fail to Correct it.
@jasperwatervoort3056
@jasperwatervoort3056 3 жыл бұрын
one of your greatest analysis
@TonyGonzales2
@TonyGonzales2 2 жыл бұрын
Lol nope.
@jaypoole8056
@jaypoole8056 2 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right about the fear of the Soviets over the Nazis. People never take the Spanish Civil War and the Soviet-Polish War as well as the various Communist uprisings and states during Weimar into context. Communism was a very serious threat during the 1920s and 1930s.
@morrisonparker3229
@morrisonparker3229 2 жыл бұрын
to add up Finland's Winter War.... As to this day idk why people didn't notice USSR invade Poland twice but Demonizing and got mad to Germans by invading half of Poland once🤷 They didn't realize it's a fukin blockade
@FWAKWAKKA
@FWAKWAKKA 2 жыл бұрын
people that view communism as a threat are seriously misguided and have failed themselves in properly investigating what communists seek to do with the world. if instead of joining a fascist militia, or burning crops because they dont want to sell them to the state rather than the market, they just read the various publications and listened to what we, marxists and leninists have said and continue to say? theyd join us. and make no mistake im not saying im smarter or that theyre stupid. im saying that they failed to properly analyze what they are opposing and WE failed to reach them in time.. most marxists will tell you, we succeed, only because the population allows us to. and gives us their support. tsarist russia was brutal. it was horrific. by every metric far worse than anything stalin is accused of. the red terror was a slogan originally known as the "white" terror. because the tsar would viciously, and regularly brutalize people. so now, instead of JUST economic milestones of communist nations. murals of homage to inspired populations, millions celebrating their progress, beautiful PUBLIC metros, and the terror of apartments for EVERYONE rather than 10 guys owning a house while millions are homeless, we also have "DEATH TOLLS" written by not a single objective source, and often people who just outright admit to lying in the case of the black book and the VoC. the former of course, the one you'd NEVER learn about in the west, and the latter the one everyone knows about from their uncle who escaped and lost his castle in poland. which of course inspires people to add to that death toll by going out and killing people, over fears of some abstract, literally imagined boogeyman. people opposing communism, are either following someone who owns property or has personal interest in opposing it and think sucking their bosses dick will actually get them a raise, or are afraid and at the same time, unwilling to just.. fucking read a book rather than make judgements of other people. this is why fascism is regarded as liberals in a state of psychosis. a mental breakdown over land reform. ceaser dealt with it a thousand of years ago lmao. the pattern is the same for everyone fighting to reduce suffering.
@FWAKWAKKA
@FWAKWAKKA 2 жыл бұрын
too clarify actually, i dont view myself as a marxist anymore, i havent read enough of his texts to truly consider myself a marxist. yet im sympathetic to their humanism, so i used the term "we" but i dont believe im a marxist. just an average commie. hoping to have a state that works under me. not above me, and a society that acts compassionately, rather than leaves me in poverty like it does now.
@morrisonparker3229
@morrisonparker3229 2 жыл бұрын
@@FWAKWAKKA +10000000000000 Social Credit Points😂😂 You serious on that?😂
@jaypoole8056
@jaypoole8056 2 жыл бұрын
@@FWAKWAKKA You should probably look into things such as the Red Terror, The Great Purge, Holodomor, and the Killing Fields before you say something as stupid as what you have just said.
@deathdog1392
@deathdog1392 2 жыл бұрын
I personally think if the Germans at the time focussed less on Mega Projects like the Bizmark, the Giant railway guns etc, they could have put their resources towards much more practical things, like boring things like bullets, ball bearings or maybe rifles, it could have drastically changed things IMO.
@irvhh143
@irvhh143 2 жыл бұрын
Tiger tanks instead of minesweepers... The current war in UKR shows that quantity is better than quality. UKR has already burned through their Soviet origin rounds and are now using up all of NATO s PGM s.
@MEXICALIMEXICO.
@MEXICALIMEXICO. 10 ай бұрын
No country could have beaten Germany 1 vs 1
@nick230699
@nick230699 3 жыл бұрын
The allies they had where not really allies as there was pretty much noone they could count on. American was already fighting Germany they where supporting the allies already in full force so they already pretty much took a side
@Pyth0n313
@Pyth0n313 3 жыл бұрын
React to Alternatehistoryhub's The Invasion That Changed Everything: Soviets In Afghanistan
@wessexexplorer
@wessexexplorer 6 ай бұрын
28:54 you mentioned the treatment of Soviet minorities and their harsh treatment. Yea Germany could have made them allies, but aside from their stated goal for lebensraum, they also took the food and resources off all their vanquished foes: they starved the Ukrainians to feed their own troops. Without the ability to import food and supplies from neutral countries the Germans were never going to be able to feed their army without theft - remember that every vanquished country couldn’t import food either.
@tek87
@tek87 Жыл бұрын
Why do so many people wonder why Hitler declared war on the US? Article 3 of the Tripartite Pact between Germany, Italy and Japan clearly states that an attack one of its signatories is an attack on all. This pact was pointed specifically at the US. The moment Japan was at war with the US, so was Germany. The declaration was merely a formality.
@bulletkingaming2808
@bulletkingaming2808 2 жыл бұрын
Having Nazi Germany lost because of their Diplomacy, made more sense than any reason I watch in some history based videos. Well made :)
@Longshot-nm2mx
@Longshot-nm2mx 2 жыл бұрын
If the British were defeated on Dunkirk and all those soldiers were captured Britain would surrender and Churchill would be voted out. Then Germany could wage all its resources in Russia and not have to help Italy. Germanys factories would be intact and Russia would have no lend lease program. Germany would probably take all the major Russian cities and push the Red army so far back it wouldn’t be a threat and a new revolution may take place.
@archersfriend5900
@archersfriend5900 2 жыл бұрын
Britain would not have surrendered after Dunkirk. They didn't surrender after huge defeats like Singapore. They eventually fielded an army numbering in the millions. Germany could not have defeated Britain without defeating the British navy first.
@Longshot-nm2mx
@Longshot-nm2mx 2 жыл бұрын
@@archersfriend5900 well maybe but it would take them lots of time to mobilize and fronts like North and East Africa wouldn’t be seen as priority and those troops would be pulled out to defend the island. Plus 400,000 troops would be a lot for Britain which couldn’t take such losses like Russia. It would be a British Stalingrad.
@archersfriend5900
@archersfriend5900 2 жыл бұрын
@@Longshot-nm2mx totally agree with you.
@sb17899
@sb17899 10 ай бұрын
If we were to theorize a scenario where the British signed an armistice after Dunkirk, at that point we have to ask, what even is the point of invading the USSR? The main reason the Germans even did it was because they needed access to all the Russian oil. And why did they need more oil in the first place? To make sure they could outlast the Allied naval blockade. If the British were out of the picture, invading the USSR might be more trouble than it is worth. A German-Soviet war might happen at some point in that potential scenario, but the diplomatic scenario may have changed drastically at that point that the USSR may end up being the aggressor, meaning that Germany could potentially appeal to other European nations to fight on their side against what might be seen as an attempted communist takeover of Europe.
@leokim1458
@leokim1458 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that most people complaining merely rejects the video as a big "what if", and though true to some degree they fail to understand that it is a study. It's about understanding why and how things go wrong and propose solutions to those things. It's not meant to rewrite history, what's done is done.
@gordonipock9385
@gordonipock9385 2 жыл бұрын
The Germans never developed a four-engined strategic bomber. Their bombers were two-engined and designed for tactical use in support of the German Army; thus, they were not suited for a bombing campaign against Britain. In the end the large British and American strategic bombers crippled German industrial output and flattened German cities.
@gordonipock9385
@gordonipock9385 2 жыл бұрын
The British and Americans kept making the claim that Hitler wanted to rule the world. (Actually at the time the British were the largest colonial power in the world with the largest empire.) Germany needed a large strategic bomber and a larger blue-water navy to "rule the world." It had neither. It's navy was defensive. It's air force was created to provide air support for the army.
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the mainstream view that the USSR could have won the entirety of the war on its own?
@lutral.4789
@lutral.4789 2 жыл бұрын
33:00 for the record: the problem with Spain was a civil war that lasted from 1936 to 1939. After the war, Spain’s economic, infrastructural and political overall situation was desperate and hopeless. So after the war, Franco was trying, not to join the Axis forces in the war. And he managed that by putting some “unacceptable conditions” (for the Germans) to join the war. In fact even during the civil war, the diplomatic situation between Franco and Hitler was not at its best. So anyways, in the end, both sides came to the conclusion that Spain would send a volunteer force, the Blue division.
@historylegends
@historylegends 2 жыл бұрын
I understand, and it makes sense but the reason why Germany needed Spain was to capture Gibraltar at all cost, and lock the Mediterranean from the Allies
@Omega4Productions
@Omega4Productions 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends But it was never going to happen. Spain was never going to get involved in WWII.
@scpguy1381
@scpguy1381 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends even if they did get Gibraltar they were a liability and basically more coastline to defend.
@joepetto9488
@joepetto9488 Жыл бұрын
Britain was orchestrating the Spanish neutrality, The Spanish were fine sending more than Volunteers, it was the British preventing them from sending anything more than a few thousand, those few thousand would punch up at a rate of 50:1 for their wartime career, those are game changing numbers on par with units like the Stonewall Brigade, Iron Brigade, Spartans, and Caesar's Germanic cavalry.
@StalinLovsMsmZioglowfagz
@StalinLovsMsmZioglowfagz Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 Britain was orchestrating nearly everything, like she had done during WWI. Most don’t know about Balfour, JP Morgan, and Lusitania. Cheers
@julianpaganguillen8460
@julianpaganguillen8460 2 жыл бұрын
Could you talk about the battle of krasni bor??
@gidi3250
@gidi3250 Жыл бұрын
"it's the last great war" meanwhile the DRC civil wars😏 "hi how are you"
@thecommissarshatisonfirege4193
@thecommissarshatisonfirege4193 3 жыл бұрын
I am sorry, I have to differ with most of your assessments. Russian way to wage war differs from the usual western land-bound way. Russia, since Ivan the Great, is ready to trade lands and men for ultimate victory, something few western armies understand/understood.
@thecommissarshatisonfirege4193
@thecommissarshatisonfirege4193 3 жыл бұрын
I can also "refute" many other points
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody denies this but is this enough to win
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
Such as?
@TonyGonzales2
@TonyGonzales2 2 жыл бұрын
 it is enough to win and others in the comments have refuted a few of your points.
@Centurion101B3C
@Centurion101B3C 3 жыл бұрын
Finland was NOT an AXIS allied and had its own reasons to oppose the USSR. To them, the enemy of my enemy did NOT make it a friend and the Finnish were very suspicious of German intentions.
@historylegends
@historylegends 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense 🤔
@patriotenfield3276
@patriotenfield3276 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Lapland wars.
@jstevinik3261
@jstevinik3261 2 жыл бұрын
@@historylegends Though, as far as the Soviets concerned, the Finns were collaborators by allowing Germans to be stationed there and risk attacking Murmansk.
@AlextheRed1917
@AlextheRed1917 2 жыл бұрын
They deported Jews to Germany to be killed.
@elliott7531
@elliott7531 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you mentioned that the Germans had no way to transport oil if they were able to capture oil fields in the middle east. Most people forget about this.
@Bardilus
@Bardilus Жыл бұрын
I am French and i love your analysis ! You are 100% right about the Battle of France.
@cgyoboi
@cgyoboi Жыл бұрын
Thank you for speaking of the holodomor, its something not talked about enough when people talk about WWII and the events leading up to WWII
@Luka-el9nt
@Luka-el9nt 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of your your best video! More like this!🔥🔥👊🏻
@DrewPicklesTheDark
@DrewPicklesTheDark Жыл бұрын
Germany could of won _only_ if the USSR had not gotten Allied support. Krushchev's memoirs claimed Stalin admitted this. So basically it was impossible to win unless the Allies behaved like the Axis and didn't support their allies well.
@marksheen4873
@marksheen4873 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and been a follower on Instagram forever. Keep it up!
@torbjrnsteinsland8985
@torbjrnsteinsland8985 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of the German allies. Potential history also made a video of their tanks.
@youraveragepotato9411
@youraveragepotato9411 2 жыл бұрын
13:20 Yes, but then the Germans wouldn't be able to use the railways to resupply their troops and vehicles.
@poieen
@poieen 2 жыл бұрын
thats not the point. if germans would take or destroy those railways the soviets wouldnt be able to use those to resupply kiev and stalingrad which gives them an advantage
@youraveragepotato9411
@youraveragepotato9411 2 жыл бұрын
@@poieen And the Germans wouldn't be able to use it to resupply their own positions in said areas either. One of the biggest challenges for the Germans in the Eastern Theater was Logistics. They needed every advantage possible, so destroying a vital logistics route is completely illogical from a military standpoint.
@poieen
@poieen 2 жыл бұрын
@@youraveragepotato9411 no it isnt. how will your enemy fight without ammo? bayonet charge a more or less loaded mg34?
@youraveragepotato9411
@youraveragepotato9411 2 жыл бұрын
@@poieen It's kind of hard to supply 3 million troops when your factories are practically in another continent dude. The Germans were basically completely out of steam when they reached Moscow, pushing any further would have stretched them so thin that the Soviets would've just broken through even faster. Armies are as only good as their supply lines and when you are doing nothing, but pushing your enemies closer to their relocated factories (in the Urals for the Soviets), it gets harder to keep your troops equipped. Never mind the fact the Germans were also fighting in Africa as well.
@ABPHistory
@ABPHistory 2 жыл бұрын
very vague reaction "lots of german generals didn't agree with hitler" lmao
@25ciskey25
@25ciskey25 2 жыл бұрын
well its a reaction not an analysis.
@ABPHistory
@ABPHistory 2 жыл бұрын
@@25ciskey25 and it’s a goofy one
@andraslibal
@andraslibal Ай бұрын
31:15 The disposition of the forces around Stalingrad was the following: the Romanian 4th (Constantinescu, south flank) and 3th (Dumitrescu, north flank) armies were on the flanks. The Italian 8th army was to the north of the 3rd Romanian Army by necessity: the Germans HAD to put an Italian Army between the Romanians and Hungarians so they would not start shooting at each other. So the Italian 8th Army, Gariboldi was to the north of the action of the envelopment of the Stalingrad pocket (operation Uranus) and the Hungarian 2nd Army (Jány) was even more to the North, at Voronezh. Thus the Italians and Hungarians were not directly involved in the breakthrough, they wanted to retreat but nobody wanted to be blamed for the battle so in the end they did not retreat and in 1943 February the Soviets finished the Stalingrad pocket enough so they could now attack more north and that is when they annihilated the 2nd Hungarian Army.
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