*genocides themselves* “LOOK WHAT YOU MADE US DO”

@@JujuInFlames Whats great is Bane had more to do with it than the Jedi

exactly the revenge of the sith in general has always confused me. do they want revenge for the original 12 fallen jedi, the sith species genocide or just individual sith revenge. Darth Bane personally didnt hate the jedi.

@@AndreNitroX perhaps the dark side as a whole was getting revenge for years of the light overpowering it.

@@Gr3nadgr3gory perhaps, but the dark side and the force are one in the same. Just like the moon and its dark side, there is no battle there, it depends on the force wielders.

YEET

Nice

@@geetslys haha we meet again

Oh, sure, Sidious, explain your Hands, the Inquisitorius, and Acolytes?

@@michaelandreipalon359 they weren't fully trained to be sith

Straight from Darth Revans mouth

@@AndreNitroX Oh, did he say that for real?

@@thalmoragent9344 revans holocron that darth bane finds in his book, says to bane that it has always been tradition to have a master and apprentice, but that it should be strictly 2 to prevent multiple apprentices from working together to kill their superior.

This is one of those concepts that sound good at first. But you cant apply too much thought to it or the idea completely falls apart.

@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 Yeah case 2 sith cant destroy a Jedi Order of hundreds to thousands. Also Ro2 has a problem where the rule´s safety is only ensured if the Master does proper mentoring to the apprentice and doesnt attempt to undermine them for eternal life or some typical selfish Sith ploy, which is contrary to the Evil the Sith fall for to begin with, why should a Sith Master be selfless enough to the order to allow the apprentice to kill them? Case they can literally maim or put the apprentice down anytime they want before they are a accomplished a threat, this is why Bane´s Ro2 had tumultous cases like Gravid, Plagueis, Tenebrous, Millenial, Vectivus, etc... where these sithlords clearly didnt give a Rat´s ass about executing the rule as envisioned.

Step 2: We must kill all other Sith so only 2 are left. Great Logic

@@sebas8225 Step 3: work from the shadows

​@@dreademperor2094Step 4: Turn The Chosen One to The Dark Side and make him betray and kill all the jedi.

Armed gonk droids

Why not a Sith Droid?

UNLIMITED POWER!

Clankers

Minus the Sith.

Those cinematics...

Say what I will about TOR, those cinematics are legit. I even downloaded them to my YT playlist for animation purposes and such.

Darth Malgus is also the guy that goes to war against the Sith Empire for his own vision on what it should be. Even to the point on giving the Republic secrets about Sith Empire plans so they could act against and kill Imperials that would have otherwise opposed him. It's funny because even within SWTOR when playing Sith Empire character, you see bouts of regular Imperial military getting tired of "Sith Games." The Sith Empire people wank off to spent as much time killing their own as it did fighting the Republic. So it was natural that the Republic would never fall against these clowns. Meanwhile with the Rule of Two, Darth Sidious without his "own" Sith Empire and army of Force sensitive clowns to follow him, did what the greatest of Sith Lords before could never accomplish: Defeat both the Republic and Jedi Order. The way Sidious did it is particularly interesting. He sowed discord, doubt, instability, even concocted a war of his own design, with throw away armies for both sides that he put together. The instability of the late Republic, the Clone Wars set the stage for Sidious to take over the Republic and destroy the Jedi Order. His predecessors in the Sith Empire were too stupid, too unreliable, too unstable, and too busy to play their little fuck-fuck games to topple the Republic and beat the Jedi. Mind you, there were some extremely powerful Sith in those days, but yet the Republic was never toppled by them. Even better, Sidious did this literally in front of the Jedi Order. He even sat there having pleasant conversations with the powerful Master Yoda, Windu, Obi-Wan, etc. He smiled and talked to them all the time while engineering their destruction, and the takeover of the Republic that they sought to preserve. "It was so artfully done."

@@Warmaker01 "Meanwhile with the Rule of Two, Darth Sidious without his "own" Sith Empire and army of Force sensitive clowns to follow him" Sidious actually *did* have his own. He took all Force Sensitives strong enough to train and made them into dark side warriors loyal to the Sith. The smart thing was a mix of compartmentalization regarding their organization and the extreme brainwashing to make them loyal to him. "His predecessors in the Sith Empire were too stupid, too unreliable, too unstable, and too busy to play their little fuck-fuck games to topple the Republic and beat the Jedi." You could say that he infected the Republic with the flaws of the Sith Empires. Honestly, from how the Sith approached the Republic and Jedi, I don't think they were trying to win so much as revel in using their power and cause destruction. Basically, Sidious showed what happens when a Sith uses the political scheming mastered by the Sith against the Republic instead of a lightsaber. I still disapprove of the Rule of Two, though. The risk of all the Sith knowledge and culture being held by only two people is waaaay too great a chance to loose to be worth the benefits. And too often the weaker and more ignorant apprentice would find an indirect way to kill the stronger and more knowledgeable master. Damaging the Sith's knowledge and power over time. That said, the Rule of Two had the interesting effect of invoking a deep devotion to the Sith among its members. I assume that's because they see the Grand Plan as building upon their own efforts. A form of immortality and achievement, I suppose.

@@Warmaker01 Tenebrae alone was a threat to the Galaxy and he was Sith. Only recently in the new SWTOR Expansion everyone gathers to kill him as he fails to take over Satele Shan’s mind and body

Agreed. The same could be said for real life armies instead of just a drone killing the enemies leaders

Nah, you don't get it.

One of the lessons from Sun-Tzu’s Art of War: never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake. I’m sure many Jedi took this to heart on the battlefield when their enemy turned on each other CONSTANTLY in a bid for supremacy.

@@myspiderungoliant Create the factors that lead to paranoia and fear, and humans do the rest.

@@AndreNitroX *French revolution intensifies*

Darth Bane even used that to his advantage. Knowing full well his apprentice Zannah would try to kill him someday he realized the apprentice should only surpass the master if they successfully killed them keeping the line of sith strong with each new generation

"Treachery is the way of the Sith." Remember that.

@@michaelandreipalon359 Yes "the dark side is like a venom, it must be concentrated not diluted"

@@AndreNitroX in fact: how the hell was it suppose to work? As long as I understand Dark Side users don't use other source of power and Force is not limited globally.

@@Petaurista13 to my understanding the dark side is limiting but powerful, only a few can truly use it, but it is self destructive, despite the power it gives.

Correct. A well organized Empire had this, and it was spread thin. The inner corruption was a grand way to show cracks forming. More Sith, loyal to Sidious and Vader, would have meant enforcement of the Empire and what it should be. However the nature of people just leads to rivalry again. The Jedi did their best to prevent this by forming their order with younglings taken to training from an early age. All they knew was the Order. Sith are too individualistic and power hungry. If the Sith could put down their fanatic individualism from time to time, which had been shown rarely in pre-Disney canon, then they would have no problem banning together.

@@marakalos3838 yep. Bane proposing the rule of two was just him being a moron. He's respected way too much as a leader. Might be a good character, but he set the sith on a path of self destruction

@@marakalos3838 Yeah, if the Empire had recruited you for Force individuals and asked them to join the Empire as say, a bit higher ranking officers, then you'd have essentially the same thing the Republic had; a handful of force sensitives leading troops into battle, helping solve issues that most Stormtroopers of Officers couldn't solve on their own. You can have young Sith who's Companionship and love for one a other is the force that drives them. Sure, don't have to teach them all your apprentice knows, but have them essentially be lesser Vaders, strong enough to be a force to be reckoned with upon the Empire's enemies, but not so powerful to screw things up with Vader or Palpatine. If they really want to achieve power, then they need to take their own initiative, and teach themselves what they can, or learn small lessons from Vader or Palpatine. Then, if one declares they wanna take Vader's position, then he challenge Vader. Maybe don't kill the guy if he looses, but cut off an arm or something, show the consequences of tryna usurp power from the apprentice. So yeah, Revan's idea of 2 in charge with officers below them but with their own skills put to use and not taught to be too heavily competitive works well. Maybe not too many, you gotta have them manageable and be disciplined within reason, but having ONLY 2 with the occasional extra "assassin" is BS

I would like to say though that I doubt Palpatine intended the Empire to be anymore than a shell and a smokescreen to surround himself and his apprentice. Namely just to protect himself from any Force Wielders that would try to stop him from his greater ambitions. As once his Empire can manage itself without him or Vader needing to be involved, he'd probably retreat to go explore more Dark Side projects to further his own power with the help of Vader, the most powerful force user to of ever lived, to get to his goal of becoming Dark Side itself and dominating all life in the galaxy. This raw defiance and perversion of the force itself would be sensed across the galaxy, started with the ambitions of Darth Plageuis and further continued with him. Goes in with why Palpatine's actor describes Palps as being worse than the Devil.

As Media Zelot Points out. The Rule of Two was good for when they were in the shadows, but was a horrible idea for an Empire and it's succession laws.

Exactly!

The Sith fucked up. That's why they keep getting deposed, without their army, you just gotta kill the two guys.

@@aguy7848 very funny to think some kind of fluke like a ship accident could end centuries of manipulation and espionage

I think its a giant miracle that the Rule of Two survived as long as it did. Especially for an Evil Faction, there is a lot of Stuff that could go wrong. - The Apprentice thinks he is Strong enough and challenges his Master. They are equal in Power, one gets killed but the other severely crippled and dies a few weeks later due to his wounds - The Master is very Old. The Apprentice sees his Chance. But the Master is still way stronger and kills his apprentice. But now he is Old and dies before finding or giving all his knowledge to his new Student. - The Master made a miscalculation. His Student chooses the Light side, betrays his Master, and kills him. - Already mentioned in another Post but, the Master finds the Light Side and just stops giving his knowledge to other generations. - In his Pride and Hubris the Master considers himself to Powerful to Ever die, he never takes a an Apprentice and dies in the End as the last Sith - In his Pride and Hubris a Master decides to End the Rule of two and create a Sith Army again.

@@XaldirGodofGood Darth Millenial could have ended the Rule of Two if he'd just waited long enough. Or had killed Cognus.

Well Sidious didn’t actually follow the rule of 2, he failed in his position as master as he never trained Vader for the possibility to replace him. Sidious believed that since he had succeeded in taking control of the galaxy he had surpassed the rule of two and therefore treated Vader as a weapon and not an apprentice, if he had trained Vader as an apprentice it would be likely that Vader would still betray him but at least he wouldn’t turn to the light and the sith would continue. After transferring his consciousness to a cloned body and thought over where he went wrong Palpatine himself admitted that it was his mistake that destroyed the sith.

lol

Tenebrous fail to indoctrinate Plagueis into the Rule of 2 and the ways of the sith , so he never cared for the Sith really and so Sidious didnt care either In a way , Plagueis destroyed the Sith by not following the rules , had he instill the Sith doctrines in Sidious , he would have properly trained an aprentice and the Sith endure

The sith themselves are an inherently flawed and psychotic ideology that has only survived as long as it did because of the force

Exactly!

Good thing they're precognizant and have an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent existence guiding them. Except when the writers forget about that obvious detail.

Well Palps was stronger than Plagueis. I think he just though killing him in his sleep was easier.

its still thinking small. All it takes to kill a master is to blow up his ship in space by hiring a merc group or sabotage the ship to fail during a jump

@@warwolf3005 Yeah, I agree, Palpatine was definitely disrespecting the Rule of Two, even if he never directly broke it.

@@warwolf3005 The master would "see it" coming , in the form of a vision or the general knowledge of knowing the betrayal is coming through his aprentince power growth, because the aprentice would not kill the master until he has stolen/learn all the secrets he can from him The student would not blow up the ship but kill the master personally to ensure its death and not leave any change of survival , also there might be some sort of absorbtion of power or force awakening by personally killing the master

As was pointed out below it was supposed to be a trial a head on collision of martial skill and wit for the apprentice to truly prove they surpassed the master as Bane intended. It was a solemn ritual to differentiate from that sort of wanton backstabbing common in the sith empire. After all how can you hope to rule a galaxy or defeat the Jedi if you can't even surpass your master?

yes, a thousand years of planning to achieve a victory that lasted 30 years, truly worth it.....

@@LucasSousa_66 id say its better then 1000 years of more wars with jedi and themselves and probavly never even getting near dominating the galaxy

The rule of 2 was modern warfare. Sure the sith armies could capture the galaxy through force but they could never keep it. Which is why corrupting the republic and destroying the jedi from the inside is meticulous. The sith would have ruled longer through this way if sidious had not become cocky

Vitiates Empire actually worked pretty well because he was immortal and was essentially worshiped like a god by the citizens of the Sith Empire. Even the members of the Dark Council feared and revered him enough to not try to overthrow him. And for a while they had no reason to. As the emperor essentially retired from public life after building up the foundations of the empire, and left the day to day running of the empire to his Dark Council. Letting them have free reign to do what they wanted in their particular areas of authority. It was only when they discovered he was planning to kill everyone in the galaxy including themselves that they finally turned on him.

I agree

Wtf is your pfp, Itachi???

The reason the Sith were exterminated in RotJ wasn't because Palpatine adhered to the Rule of Two. It was because he didn't. Post Anakin's crippling, he never expected or wanted Vader to succeed him. He simply wanted an enforcer. Had he actually tried to look, I'm sure he could've found another suitable apprentice somewhere in the galaxy. Someone who could've been trained to match and exceed Vader. But Palpatine became ensured of his own invincibility and immortality, so he never raised up a proper successor. Had he followed Bane's philosophy, he'd probably had been killed by this theoretical apprentice by the time of RotJ, and Luke would never have won.

@@arikutin1032 For real, Palpatine got dumb and just wanted thebgalaxy for himself for eternity and forgot about others force users turning against him...

@@joaop4585 artwork I found of Itachi when I was 15, for reference I’m 22 now. It just stuck.

"At least"

I’ve always wanted a show about Bane and Zannah starting the plan

Wtf are you talking about? You want to give Disney a reason to play with the Darth Bane storyline? No way! Too much of a risk! I'm good with the Legends trilogy we already have.

@@arikutin1032 well………. We can have obi wan Filoni in charge just like with the mandalorian 🤷🏼‍♂️

"Star Wars Rule of Two", this could work as a Cartoon actually.

Kind of the advantage of the rule of 2 is that they were self aware of their self destructive nature. Which is why every apprentice must kill their master to keep the line strong

@@AndreNitroX sure, but then you also have situations like the one Sith Lord who is really into the Jedi, which setback the sith grand plan by Generations, or a situation like what ended up destroying the sith, we're both the master and The Apprentice were destroyed at the same time. If you just make the Sith a meritocracy, you can still insure that the Sith Lords really are strong, without the self-destruction of the "survival of the fittest" mindset. Even if somebody isn't cut out to be a dark lord of the Sith, that does not mean their Darkside prowess is completely useless. Just like how the Jedi use people who weren't fit to be padawans in the service Corps, the Sith could have done something similar while keeping their focus on individual power.

@@pennyforyourthots i suppose thats why the sith had dark siders under their employ such as inquistors or dark jedi, just incase something happened to the 2 sith.

@@pennyforyourthots Bane says why that's a bad idea in his book. You basically have 1 dude watching his back at all times because they all gonna jump him. The sith don't like to work together like the jedi. So as soon as the strongest among them is dead the new most powerful who wanted the first dude dead is now the one watching his back, but he's way weaker than the last dude. And so on and so forth.

@@pennyforyourthots the weakness in the Brotherhood's philosophy is actually pretty easy to figure out. It was explained by example by the Darth Bane trilogy. It only takes one Sith to wake up and face the music, and see that the Brotherhood actively defies the very Sith code they teach their acolytes. It only takes one Sith to realize the hypocrisy of the Brotherhood, and begin plotting against them to redirect the Sith order back to the pure Dark Side. Bane is the flaw. A training Sith who realized, within the Brotherhood's own academy, just how wrong they are. How they betray their own ideals. How they aren't really embracing the Dark Side. And he realized that, for the Sith to survive, he'd have to take action. Bane was only the first. If he failed in his mission, others would be inevitable. Maybe it would happen once Kaan died, and could no longer influence the masses. Maybe it would happen decades after, as the Brotherhood veer even further away from the Darkness to maintain the stability of unity. But it would happen. More philosophical zealots would try to reset the Sith, and the Brotherhood would fail.

Badass quote

"Where there were two, now there is one -- the Sith Order itself. For I have given it purpose, and what is power without purpose?" -- Darth Krayt.

And we shall have peace

@@darylsdesigns6679 *threes

@@darylsdesigns6679 Peace is a lie, there is only Passion!

@@tylergranger2159 through passion, I gain strength

@@darylsdesigns6679 Through Strength, I gain Power!

But in a sense he did accomplish he just set everything in motion

@@spadesandshades-pc9tx True, but if he didn't set up the sith network and teach his apprentice to continue the order, then the sith could never have of stayed dedicated to the order for a 1000 years

@@AndreNitroX brotha I know that this man kept tabs on every Jedi present

Thats the problem with Ro2, it´s dependant on the Master respecting the rule.

It's dependent on both the Master and apprentice. In theory, Bane was 100% correct in his endeavors to the Rule of 2, but in practice, those that followed him weren't.

I agree for the most part, but an Apprentice that can sneak up on a Master while they are asleep and kill them is a pretty powerful apprentice. Or has a pretty weak master.

@@levongevorgyan6789 pretty sure Sidious and Plaguous both killed their masters by underhanded means. One drugged him, the other killed the master while he was saving their lives.

@@betterlatethannever4529 Ah yes, because the Sith definetly value honor and honesty, and frown upon cunning and treachery. Sidious was more cunning and treacherous thenn his master, hence the Sith grew stronger with a mastermind like him in charge leading them to take over the galaxy.

Essentially it’s modern warfare for the sith

That knowledge was lost far before Darth Bane

@@AndreNitroX one of the rule of two sith actively destroyed sith records to the point they lost thousands of years of knowledge.

@@djcuevas1057 that didnt help either

The problem with the idea of multiple groups is that would form rivalries and the Sith would waste more time trying to kill each other rather than building up their own power.

@@AndreNitroX Just imagine an outcome where Zanneth instead of killing Bane went into hiding and let Bane groom a new apprentice, while also taking on one of her own. Then there would have been two sith factions abiding by the Rule of Two.

*Another failure scenario:* The apprentice challenges/schemes to kill the master but the master emerges victorious. Alas, he's too old now and there's not enough time to fully train a new apprentice who can surpass him.

@@KhukuriGod How long can sith even live though? I know they can extend their life with dark side powers, but are they basically immortal?

@@danshakuimo It´s actually part of the Bane-Trilogy. Bane tries to find a way to be immortal, so he can`t die simply of age, as his apprentice Zannah was waiting to long to challenge him and he wanted to be able to take a new apprentice. So no, Bane and the other Sith weren´t immortal, but he and others certainly tried. If i remember correctly, there existed even a holocron, created by another Sith, which tought such an ability, and Bane hoped to find it.

​@@danshakuimo Dont believe any sith or jedi has achieved true immortality but it's possible. One can achieve immortality by becoming a Force Ghost or attaching your soul to an object or place but it's not true immortality.

@@diacrethii.9221 It was Darth Andeddu's holocron that Bane took from the planet of Prakith. It held the secrets of Essence Transfer. Meanwhile, Darth Zannah was looking for potential apprentices herself and came across some ex-Jedi fuckboi who had turned to the Dark Side. Forgot his name, but Zannah thought he had potential. Unfortunately (or fortunately) for Zannah, the Dark Jedi was just a wannabe-Chad fuckboi whose only interests were a luxurious life, an endless rotation of chicks to smash, and collecting Dark Side artifacts. He had no interest in the treacherous power struggles of the Sith. The only thing he wanted from Zannah was to pound her raw and then bail out if she got pregnant. Somehow, by the end of the Bane trilogy, the fuckboi ended up stealing Andeddu's holocron when Bane was captured by the daughter of one of his victims. Poor holocron ended up in fuckboi's dildo collection. By that time, however, Bane had already mastered the technique so it was no personal loss for him (or the Sith, since the technique seems to have been passed down for centuries until Darth Gravid turned to the light side and destroyed half of the Sith's ancient artifacts and holocrons). And if I'm not mistaken, a thousand years after Bane, the holocron somehow ended up in the hands of Count Dooku.

Well, Bane survived a starship crash. So you're wrong.

@@arikutin1032 hopefully you get what I mean. Over the course of thousands of years. The odds of a master an apprentice getting killed together would be high all things considered

@@arikutin1032 “this one specific powerful sith didn’t die so lmao your wrong” literal tard moment

@@CorpusCrispyAs seen in the Plaguies and Darth Bane novels the dith master and apprentice rarely traveled together in the same ship

Yes! Under Sidious, the Empire was spread thin on the outer rim and a mess overall with Vader darting in a constant conquest for nearly random reasons (be they orders from Sidious or an uprising or potentially a Jedi). After creating the Galactic Empire and crushing the Republic, Sidious should have started forming an army. In Disney Canon (which I hate), we see the Inquisitors. They are pretty wimpy though. Seriously.

@@marakalos3838 the Disney canon Inquisitors are a pathetic joke. The Emperor’s Hand though is a true Inquisition and strength of power.

@@AncestorEmpire1 YES

@@marakalos3838 yeah, I think we spoke in the comment earlier of a different video. When 100% Star Wars out a video named “Star Wars Legends Matter” (I think that was the title)

@@AncestorEmpire1 i believe so. Good to see ya

Because a master without an apprentice is a master of nothing.

Because you can either do that or... Wait a second something in my modded CK2 is happening... AH SHIT MY SITH IS STRESSED AND OVERWORKED.

@@achinthmurali5207 The Rise of Skywalker seemed to hint at a possible answer, or at least one idea of an answer. I suspect that different Sith may have had different interpretations of the rule and why it is implemented at different times. The resurrected Emperor Palpatine seemed to believe there was some sort of spiritual ascension that happens when the master is struck down by the apprentice. If this is the case, than it may have roots in their religious beliefs. It would also explain his actions in Return of the Jedi. During his big confrontation with Luke Skywalker Palpatine tries to goad Luke into killing him. It's meant to be a way of luring him to the dark side, by tricking him into embracing his anger while thinking he is doing good. But why take the risk? Palpatine did seem to be quite fond of corrupting others but why take the risk of actually being killed by Luke? According to The Rise of Skywalker, it might be because of Sith beliefs, which see the master being struck down in an act of anger as some sort of completion. On the other hand, in Knights of the Old Republic we get a slightly simpler interpretation. Sith ideology is heavily rooted in social darwinism, the idea that the strongest dominate the weak. From what Bastilla described during her time on the dark side, it's a way of ensuring the strongest rulers are in charge. After all if someone is strong enough to overthrow the leading Sith Lord than they are clearly stronger and therefore deserve the position more. One thing I'm also curious about, we always hear about the apprentice killing their master, but does it always succeed. Has there ever been an instance in which an apprentice tried to kill their master only to be thwarted? I can't help wondering if there was ever a Sith lord who went through several apprentices who kept dying when they tried to turn on their master. I've wondered if it might be that taking on an apprentice is sort of a test for the master that requires them to face an opponent of equal footing, to determine if they should keep the title of master. If they are slain by the apprentice, the test is failed. If they are able to prevent their assassination, they pass and may keep going.

They became smarter than The Jedi and that's how Palpatine wiped most of them out.

I agree, and a politician has nothing to do with force powers, they basically neutered them selves.

I guess you can look at it like a Warrior vs Mage dynamic.

@@ragnarshadow and yet they won, they adapted to what they needed in their situation and that is what let them destroy the Jedi and conquer the Republic, the Rule of Two was a categorical success

I mean, I get what you’re saying. I really. (Heck, I see flaws in both systems, but I feel the real problem is their ideology, but that’s whole different can of worms I’d rather not get into.) But at the same time, “power” is a relatively subjective term. What kind of power are you talking about? What’s the context? Heck, from a Sith’s point of view, power in the Force also roughly translates to political power and gravitas. Especially if you look at the Sith Empires: The most powerful of Sith were placed at the top pecking orders of both the Sith Order, and the Sith Empire as a whole.

With the older Empires, you had loyalists, and idealogues who parrotted your beliefs. The Sith Empire was a civilization. A race of beings who would fight for their Sith Masters because they were all one people and one culture. Revan's Empire was built on the awe and respect he earned during the war. People flocked to the banner of the hero who defeated the Mandalorians. But Palpatine? Only his inner circle of goons were truly loyal. His generals and admirals immediately began carving up the Empire for themselves.

@@levongevorgyan6789 Plus those generals and admirals were mostly non force sensitive military officers rather than Sith lords in their own right.

EXACTLY!!!

Inconvenient point - ignored.

Except the Sith still betrayed each other. So ruling for centuries as Sith but not as individuals.

Correction: When there was many Sith, you ruled 5 seconds and get backstabbed.

The Wisest comment under this video , like the guy said when they were empire they ruled for centuries , the rule of two somewhat failed , nice try for a video anyway

It really only works when the sith leadership are so powerful that the lesser sith have little to no chance

Exactly. Rule of 2 is also modern warfare. Why send armies when you can send a drone

@@jakealter5504 But then all the lesser sith needs to do is either work with the Jedi to kill them, sabotage and blow up their ship, poison them, blow up the planet they're on, suicide bomb them. If the lesser Sith really want to be on top then they would fanatically do whatever it takes to bring down the stronger Sith

Rule of One always beats Rule of Two, the most remarkable thing Rule of Two did, was tricking the Jedi into thinking the Sith extinct and making them weaker, but as we´ve seen, it was a pointless endeavour.

@@sebas8225 I haven't read any of the One Sith books I would love a suggestion cause they have always sounded cool.

it might have been enough to just kill one of them. if you remove the master, then the apprentice is left halfway educated. if you stab the apprentice it may be to late to train another one.

@@rivenoak an isolated explosion that kills both is still an isolated explosion that kills both..

@Watsolloko _ like an unaccounted super nova goes off and both sith are in the same solar system as it goes off, bye bye sith

It's in their nature.

It is their nature to betray each other, atleast with the rule of 2 you see it coming and whoever wins keep the lineage going strong

This is why we need to go further back in time to the old republic where there were armies. Luke skywalkers time is like modern time, the true battle are no longer on the battlefield.

@@AndreNitroX You see, the war, the true war, has never been one waged by droids, or warships, or soldiers. They are but crude matter, obstacles against which we test ourselves. The true war is waged in the hearts of all living things, against our own natures, light or dark. That is what shapes and binds this galaxy, not these creations of man. You are the battle ground.- Kreia

@@goodmind4940 excellent quote

Traya was never interested in the Jedi or Sith she wanted to destroy the force and tried using the Triumvirate to do it before Meetra.

Agreed those 3 almost succeeded but as is the nature of the sith they betrayed each other.

But that leads to the master having too much power, even for a sithlord, there´s no way the average master would let him/herself be killed off by their apprentice they´d have to be selfless about the teaching to the apprentice and the protection of their well being til they can take them out, this is contrary to Sith Nature and eventually those with imperial dispositions like Sidious and Krayt will come along and desire a army of sith under them.

it's okay to take apprentices to help kill the master, it still keeps rule of two intact

@@goodmind4940 Yeah, but it makes the Sith weaker since the apprentices won't be as strong as the master when they become a master because they had help to beat the master, thus the Sith get weaker, which was what Bane was trying to prevent.

@@zexalbrony4799 oh shit, zex I feel as if I recognize you.

@@zexalbrony4799 In Sidious case it was deserved however, since Sidious had deliberately disregarded the Ro2 anyway by not teaching the advanced sith Force powers to Vader and make him scavenge Sith Artifacts by himself on top of having him monitored. But yes, it´s a problem

2 sith are the ones that unbalance the force. All of the dark side is concentrated into those 2 making them more powerful than a 1000 jedi

Well, as George Lucas explained it, the existence of any Sith disrupted the balance. The Dark Side itself is chaos, disorder, unbalance. To balance the force meant to destroy the users of the Dark Side.

@@arikutin1032 yes thats right

@Fotachi george constantin not on the battlefield, but in power scale. 2 sith cause the balance of the force to tip in their favor, despite there being a 1000 jedi. the dark side is that powerful. But it is self destructive.

Exactly 2 sith were more powerful than a 1000 jedi

Sidious somehow returned in Legends too. Don’t downplay that storytelling decision in the Sequels when the EU had a storyline just as bad.

@@Fi_Sci_ it's worse because they already know Dark Empire's reception and Chosen One prophecy didn't exist when EU did it

@@goodmind4940 having young Palpatine clones in the EU was a ridiculous idea. TROS handled it far better having a broken down clone with a fraction of Palpatines power. The emperor was dead, And all we saw in TROS was an empty husk being kept alive through external machinery.

@@Fi_Sci_ I can criticize both. Palpatine himself in like better in canon, but his hidden fleet and cult just doesn't make sense with the OT. The "I am all the Sith" stuff is stupid too. The power of the Sith through the generations comes from the apprentice becoming more powerful than the master, not something like the Avatar state. Regardless, returning Palpatine seems like both times it was done simply to continue a dangerous Sith lineage to create a situation rather than something that might arise naturally in universe. It's good that we are seeing even more of Sidious' cloning efforts, but we should have gotten more with essence transfer. It's completely in his character to try and cheat death like his master, but it still feels cheap.

@@breaden4381 You know how arrogant the Sith are right, of course Palpatine with all his power seemingly returned would make a ballsy claim that he was “All the Sith.”

being a sith is more than jedi + darkside. they had a whole doctrine and techniques to maximize the dark side of the force

Darth Bane himself even recommended getting force users under your control. But as tools that get discarded once they overstay their welcome or get too powerful.

@@blazingshadow2669 light-sith, chose light side but still loyal to sith order, plus no real danger to the darkside sith lords.

Yes, if one sith managed to achieve immortality then there would be no need for a heir. But only 2 sith allows the order to grow stronger with every new generation replacing the old.

It is cooler but it’s not modern warfare. Why send armies when you can send a drone with a nuke

Exactly so many people hate on the rule of two since it reduces the number of sith, when essentially it is modern warfare compared to the old ways

The rule never said they have to be 2 in total regarding their forces. Hired soldiers, killers and gangsters are totally fine.

Sith are like the kings, they hold all the power but can still rule over armies and manipulate everything

The Siths still have underlings who serve under them such as Ventress and whatnot the Sith are simply the overlords so to speak.

@@charlinethom1624 in the Darth Bane novels, he clearly explains that the 2 of them will manipulate everything by controlling vast networks of spy's, politicians, assassins', soldiers and even other dark side users.

Yes thats why I love reading his books, he knew Zannah would try to kill him one day. He welcomed it, to ensure that the sith lineage kept getting stronger.

Ikr. Smells like plot. He could have wiped the floor with the republic, consumed half the galaxy then go back to Zakuul 10 times more powerful. But that would mean the sith would win and they can't do that.

Definitely 1 where I can see coming

That depends on what you mean by "see it coming". By the time Plagueis actually suspected that Palpatine would turn on him, he was as good as dead. He never saw it coming, and he only had the 1 apprentice.

Agreed. Banes plan was to stay in hiding but also manipulate everything from the shadows. The sith were never meant to resurface they were meant to become the shadows themselves.

@Fotachi george constantin that doesnt mean you cant raise armies of soldiers and assasins. its like having a king and queen rule from the shadows while letting their minions do the grunt work.

Bane falsely assumed that the Dark Side was like a piece of bread where a person could have more if they split it in half with 1 other individual instead of having to break it into smaller pieces to satisfy 20 other ppl. Bane was just as much of a fool as Kaan, but for different reasons. His "genius" is really overrated when a person notices all the problems with his worldview.

still a lot of infighting.

That depends on which version of bane he is fighting. Tulak would probably beat PoD bane and possibly DoE bane but I don’t think that tulak would be able to beat orbalisk bane

Well, yeah. Even at the end of his trilogy, Bane acknowledged he wasn't at the level of the apex Sith of the past. But that's the genius of the Rule of Two. Each generation would bring a stronger master by design. A stronger master to raise a stronger apprentice, who would kill the master and take control themselves and become the master. Becoming as strong as those ancient Sith was not only possible, but inevitable.

@@arikutin1032 oh for sure at the core if followed the way it was supposed to be the rule of 2 was great. It meant a lack of fear of training and passing on all the secrets learned to progressive generations. Eventually leading to a sith lord who was stronger then the last generation etc. However you get cases like Sidious who by all known metrics is the strongest sith lord who has ever lived. However he killed his master in his sleep instead of challenging him to a duel the way he was supposed to do by the rule of 2. Fortunately he was as previously stated the strongest sith who had ever lived but, if he for some reason hadn't been then it would've been a regression and shows the flaws in the practice of the rule of 2 not the theory. Later on he also violates the rule of 2 by hoarding his knowledge with no intention to pass along all his secrets to the next generation. He was focused more on transitioning to the rule of 1. The fundamental flaw in the rule of 2 is that the people who practice it by nature are selfish, jealous, power hungry people. Who are interested more in domination and power far more then teaching and sharing. By the letter of the law the rule of 2 without a doubt genius and much needed to progress and ensure sith survival. It just eventually was going to run into the major flaw of the nature of of the sith.

@@BofaDee33 true enough. After all, rules only matter if the people they apply to actually follow them.

If those two sith are discovered and killed then that’s it the grand plans grinds to a halt

I think hiding like cowards is the wrong idea. They avoided the Jedi but went into the offensive when it came to forming underground gangs and connections. Like crimelords.

@@leiferikson850 Hiding from the Jedi was just good strategy. But they were cowards hiding from their own if you ask me. Afraid of the idea that their order could be anything but imperfect, and of needing to be actual leaders in order to be powerful.

Well that's obviously not what happened. First of all, dark side does NOT mean sith. The sith is a religion. Users of the dark side like Maul were not sith, they were just dark side users.

The sith are not the only dark side practitioners in the galaxy, nor were they the first. Any force sensitive without training is just ignorant of how the force works at all.

Only when if the Sith were entirely wiped out would the galaxy know balance. Not both jedi and Sith. The jedi actively aided balance in the force, if the jedi entirely go away then the galaxy would fall entirely out of balance in no time at all. Yet neither will every full be wiped out. Just grow in different ways.

@@nathanielmcneal5835 how can you have balance in the Force with only the light side of the Force?

According to George Lucas the Dark Side is the imbalance. The Jedi serve the will of the Force while Darksiders bend the force to their will. This is why Dark Side force users usually end up deformed and why Dark Side abilities are more twisted and strange. This is why Anakin destroying the Sith and leaving the Jedi to rebuild is considered restoring balance to the force. Is an ocean that is half water and half poison healthy? I personally have my own interpretation. That the Dark Side is apart of the force but is not meant to be wielded by Force users. On Morris the planet is filled with the Dark Side and the Light and it isn’t questioned but the Son was judged for choosing the Dark Side. Poison is apart of nature, so is death, but drinking poison, making others drink poison and murdering people is wrong.

@@Distortion23 lucas said a lot of things like jango not being a mandalorian...

@@RyuKaguya Which was explicitly stated in the Clone Wars, canon material that was released before Disney bought Star Wars.

The way you described it, the failing wasn't in the Rule of Two itself, as you explained a viable way for the Sith to maintain control, but in Palpatine, whose lust for direct power overrode his critical thinking. Did I get that right?

Yeah, imagine if Palpatine weren’t actually Supreme Chancellor/Emperor, but an unknown figure pulling the Empire’s strings. What if Order 66 went down, and the surviving Jedi were being hunted down and STILL didn’t know who the Sith responsible for the Clone Wars were. Kenobi and Yoda would be training in hiding, but have no clue who to target.

@@TheJadedJames that's a very thoughtful point. It would take Dooku's "What if I told you the Republic was under the control of the Dark Lord of the Sith" line to a whole other level of nuance. It wouldn't be as obvious as the Chancellor being that Sith Lord, and the Jedi would be half-convinced Dooku was just trying to make them paranoid. That would've been great!

@@arikutin1032 yeah. The short of it is that the Rule of Two does not lend itself to being an effective ruling ideology because it was conceived in the shadows for the purpose of surviving in the shadows. So yeah, the only way it could truly work after the Sith take over the galaxy is for the Sith to rule from the shadows.

How did they fail to govern? As I remember the Empire was actually well liked in many systems.

I agree