Why high resolution audio?

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Paul McGowan, PS Audio

Paul McGowan, PS Audio

3 жыл бұрын

If loudspeakers can only reproduce 20kHz why is it necessary to have digital audio the goes up to 192kHz?
Have you gotten your copy of Paul's new book, The Audiophile's Guide? www.psaudio.com/products/the-...

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@freekwo7772
@freekwo7772 3 жыл бұрын
I hope everyone from PS audio is safe after today's shooting. Take care!
@Badassvidsz
@Badassvidsz 3 жыл бұрын
What really happened i'm reading so many comments wishing well to Paul but i have no clue at all ?
@freekwo7772
@freekwo7772 3 жыл бұрын
@@Badassvidsz type in google - Boulder, Colorado shooting. PS audio resides in that city, as well as Paul himself and his family. I think that there's been some Ask Paul videos from that mall but I'm not sure.
@Badassvidsz
@Badassvidsz 3 жыл бұрын
@@freekwo7772 Thank you i'll give it a try .
@m.9243
@m.9243 3 жыл бұрын
You're in great form today Paul! This was one of the best and simplest explanations of a rather complex subject. Excellent!
@iammodus
@iammodus 3 жыл бұрын
The reason why you need double the samplerate is because you need a minimum of 2 samples to accurately store any given frequency (one sample for the crest, one for the trough). The reason why aliasing happens is because when you go higher, the computer has less than 2 samples worth of space to store that frequency, and can't estimate its analog counterpart properly.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@AllboroLCD
@AllboroLCD 3 жыл бұрын
Wishing all the good PS audio folks the best right now.
@keeloraz9452
@keeloraz9452 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent response. Thanks Paul
@mkeysermann
@mkeysermann 3 жыл бұрын
Finally I found someone explaining this. When people told me "You only hear up to 20kHz, why high res then?" I could never respond adequately. Thanks!
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@Matthias Keysermann: You still can't. "High resolution" audio is only a marketing term, a gimmick. It doesn't exist.
@mkeysermann
@mkeysermann 3 жыл бұрын
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Paul provided a very good explanation for having high res audio. He did not claim humans could hear above 20k, neither will I. It's about the filters and I can respond adequately now.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@mkeysermann : You should watch and listen some actual audio engineers like this guy ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aap6gM2Q25PNYI0.html ) instead of the snake oil salesman Paul.
@BasiliusAlawad
@BasiliusAlawad 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏻 this is a very unique channel ..
@nicksnowbuildings
@nicksnowbuildings 3 жыл бұрын
Hoping you guys have stayed safe today! Wishing you all the best.
@murilohumbertocmcb
@murilohumbertocmcb 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, i'm new to all this and was kind of lost
@ljuboizsiska5448
@ljuboizsiska5448 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Paul, I hope you and your family as well as everyone from PS audio are well. We live in strange times of selfishness and self-occupation. More and more people are just looking for their freedoms and less and less people are wondering what their obligations to society are. I am sad and upset about this. Greetings from Croatia.
@freekwo7772
@freekwo7772 3 жыл бұрын
Lijepo ste to napisali Ante!
@andrecarvalhomusic
@andrecarvalhomusic 3 жыл бұрын
Direct to the point! Great!
@godhand6510
@godhand6510 3 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting on this for a good minute.
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee 3 жыл бұрын
Also sounds and music are full of harmonics. These harmonics interdepend on each other. If harmonics above the hearing threshold are removed then the harmonics inside the hearing threshold, that rely on the ones so many octaves above, are fundamentally altered and the music is now 'coloured.'
@ianbigsand7
@ianbigsand7 3 жыл бұрын
It was recognised right back in the early days of CD that harsh filtering is indeed damaging. Philips produced a chipset that incorporated 4x oversampling and made the filtering much easier. www.dutchaudioclassics.nl/Philips-TDA1541/.
@arnoldficquette4707
@arnoldficquette4707 3 жыл бұрын
A higher bit depth also allows for better math yielding more dynamic range between the loud and soft sounds. Higher sample rate as Paul states allows for frequencies that we can perceive from being filtered out. Both bit depth and sample frequency are key to hi res.
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
the dynamic range is almost irrelevant for playback. 16bit gives you something like 96dB of dynamic range, not ideal, but not bad. 24bit is really excessive for playback, but it is invaluable for recording, the extra headroom is a MUST. The biggest problem with lower bit depths IMO is simply the potential for quantisation errors when going from 24bit down to 16bit.
@BradReid
@BradReid 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy high-res, but I have to admit it’s a real subtlety. The way I think of it is in terms of “veneer”. CD quality has a slightly glossy edge on the sound, while higher res has a slightly softer and airier (satin?) edge that for my purposes seems more natural. CD quality satisfies, but higher quality gives just a small amount extra.
@user-sq9gr8qu4l
@user-sq9gr8qu4l 3 жыл бұрын
I have a great respect for you sir,so i am not trying to offend you with this comment but oh man,you got a real talent when it comes for bubbling!
@riccardobiemmi2103
@riccardobiemmi2103 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is the first time in years that I heard a convicing-sounding (from scientific perspective) reason in favour of the hi-res music. It would be great if you could tell us what the other reasons you mentioned at the end are.
@waldo3454
@waldo3454 3 жыл бұрын
I hope all of you great folks are safe!
@Elazarko
@Elazarko 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please recommend the best affordable tube amp that is worth buying under $200 ?
@AndrewDixonMusic
@AndrewDixonMusic 3 жыл бұрын
This is confusing me, my understanding has always been different, so I'm happy to be educated here if I'm wrong! In a speaker, if it has a 20kHz limit, that's referring to an audio frequency of 20kHz (i.e. a really high frequency that can be heard by dogs and teenagers, like the high pitched noise at the end of Sgt Pepper) , where as in a hi res file of 192kHz, that's referring to the sample rate of the digital data (how many times the data is processed per second). So in this case are these not 2 totally different measurements not to be confused with each other? One being audio frequency (how high or low the sound is) and the other being a count of how often the data is sampled. Am I wrong with this!?
@sayanchx
@sayanchx 3 жыл бұрын
that is my understanding as well.. human audible spectrum is 20Hz to 20kHz and you typically need to sample at multiple times of the audible signal to accurately capture all the nuances of the actual waveform for processing and playback. Sampling at 192kHz means that capturing the waveform of 20kHz part of the spectrum gives you approx 10samples (9.5samples). This video should have mentioned sampling not just say Nyquist and signal phase
@Davorduke
@Davorduke 3 жыл бұрын
No, you're not wrong and with all respect. Sample rate rate is a speed of sampling when is recorded you can keep it, while output measurment does not have (in this theory) any connection, "same language" or however you call it, together. You're completely right!
@MrBiggmartin
@MrBiggmartin 3 жыл бұрын
Sample rate has NOTHING to do with frequency, it's just how often a snapshot is taken measured/recorded per second. The higher the rate the more likely is your music sounding better if your setup is up to reproduce it.
@johan.mp4
@johan.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
Do you mean 192kbit/s? I.e. not hertz but kilo bits per second.
@AndrewDixonMusic
@AndrewDixonMusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@johan.mp4 No, hi Res 192kHz files can be several thousand kilobits per second. I've got Pet Sounds in hi Res and they are something like 6,000 kbps , huge files.
@D1N02
@D1N02 3 жыл бұрын
My DAC is specced up to 768KHz it causes some people stress because they can't find music recorded at that rate.
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 3 жыл бұрын
Great answer Paul. Even though I thought knew the theory, it's nice to have a major industry figure confirm it! All the best, Rob
@IsmaelMartinezPR
@IsmaelMartinezPR 3 жыл бұрын
Please take a little time and search the academic credentials of the major industry figure which you refer to.
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 3 жыл бұрын
@@IsmaelMartinezPR Why?
@IsmaelMartinezPR
@IsmaelMartinezPR 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobWhittlestone Respectfully, this is what I found about Mr. McGowan. I quote: "I am a self-taught analog electronics engineer and have designed most of the analog product built by the company". I will reserve my assessment of such statement. However, there are other resources where technically trained professionals address this same question available. Best.
@lindsaywebb1904
@lindsaywebb1904 3 жыл бұрын
For a deeper dive, the fabfilter people published a very good video on the topic a year or so ago. It’s called Samplerates: the higher the better right? (Is here on YT). It is very illuminating.
@IsmaelMartinezPR
@IsmaelMartinezPR 3 жыл бұрын
@@lindsaywebb1904 I can refer you to Amir Majidimehr channel a video called Antonio Forcione looking into files of Hi-Res Audio.
@gizmothewytchdoktor1049
@gizmothewytchdoktor1049 3 жыл бұрын
hi paul. this got me thinking about an exchange some time ago about tube pre-driver/transistor back end amplifier. the general thought is this in basic terms: along those lines...have you considered using AlGaAs or GaAs fet's in the back end of the digital amps? seems like their high speed and low noise could possibly eliminate the need for a choke coil altogether in the output stage of a digital amp. the premise being that the amp could be cycled well above any perceivable digital hash harmonic and still remain stable. smooooth from a digital amp maybe?
@VladoT
@VladoT 3 жыл бұрын
Do you refer to the new GaN FETs?
@gizmothewytchdoktor1049
@gizmothewytchdoktor1049 3 жыл бұрын
@@VladoT yes. :-)
@davidtomsett
@davidtomsett 3 жыл бұрын
192khz is the sampling frequency of the musical signal. It’s got nothing to do with the frequency response we are expected to hear.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed so. I'm surprised Paul confused the two.
@josepharchila1496
@josepharchila1496 3 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly I was thinking
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio 3 жыл бұрын
That's simply not true. Let me try and explain. A 44.1kHz sampling rate is bandwidth limited to 20kHz (half the sampling frequency). 192kHz is similarly bandwidth limited to 96kHz. Now, having said that, obviously we cannot hear 96kHz, but that was never my point. What we want is to have a gentle filter so that we don't suffer audible phase shift in the music. That cannot be done with lower sample rates but it can with a higher sample rate. Put another way, if we were dealing with strictly analog circuitry, a preamp that was bandwidth limited to 20kHz would sound rolled off because of the affects of phase shift that extend down well into the audible frequency range. An analog preamp with a bandwidth of 50kHz will sound much more open and less limited because of this. That's the difference - and higher sampling rates allow for wider bandwidth in the audio band.
@davidtomsett
@davidtomsett 3 жыл бұрын
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Paul, thanks for replying. This means that all the information I have read elsewhere online about sampling frequencies is wrong! Thanks for your ever boundless knowledge.
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio
@Paulmcgowanpsaudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidtomsett Hard to say if it was wrong but I think in general there's a bit of misunderstanding out there. The higher the sample rate the higher the possible bandwidth of the audio signal. What the recording engineer decides to after that is up to them.
@albertorobinson7611
@albertorobinson7611 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@SKY666777
@SKY666777 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah a Brazilian question!!
@xbldev11
@xbldev11 3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!
@dwmaudio7514
@dwmaudio7514 3 жыл бұрын
Finally
@FireTriode
@FireTriode 3 жыл бұрын
Most modern speakers and equipment can resolve at least 20 kHz @ -3 dB easily, but actually go much higher. The same applies to human hearing. It's about ambience and the "feel" of the music, beyond hearing it .
@Projacked1
@Projacked1 3 жыл бұрын
yes , our ears are just part of our auditory/ scanning (lol) system. The hairs on our skin pick up much higher frequencies.
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
Just because a speaker can go above 20KHZ does not mean it is highly resolving , Magnepans and speakers with electrostatic or ribbon or AMT (mid and high frequency drivers) are way more resolving than most other types of speakers.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak No kidding! It's like some kind of pathology.
@sebastianbachert9528
@sebastianbachert9528 3 жыл бұрын
This was my click-moment. Thank you, Paul! Stay safe!!
@gtric1466
@gtric1466 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a pretty serious pre-amp. CD Quality not specifically CD's does it for me. the rest is all about the mastering. it's amazing even with good quality mastering you can notice at times the compression. and to me that's "mucks up" the sound.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@titntin5178
@titntin5178 3 жыл бұрын
Good recordings are what we are all looking for. A poorly recorded piece of music will sound like a turd even if that recording is recorded at the best possible bit rate. You just end up with a very pricisely and shiney turd. A great recording can sound fantastic, even on a casette tape (some of my best master material originated on a simple 4 track cassette). However, re master a great recording at 24 192 studio master quality, and you can really reap the rewards if tge mastering is done correctly. Ive recently moved to Roon as my front end, so now i have access to Tidals mqa studio masters. Some of these are trully fantastic, but some of them are not sympathetically mastered and decenly masterd cd quality version will sound better despite the bit rate. Good recordings can sound better with a more precise digital version at higher sampling rates, but a turd will always sound like a turd no matter how many bits were used to digitise it.
@colanitower
@colanitower 3 жыл бұрын
Is the poor preamplifier on the table digital? It looks very upset.
@clothyardshafts
@clothyardshafts 3 жыл бұрын
That helped, thanks.
@bananasplitbrain476
@bananasplitbrain476 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, so maybe you get it this time: it only makes sense, if ever needed, in the studio NOT as a distribution format. It is the recording which is important, PCM 44.1 is sufficiently perfect for the human hearing physiology.
@JeanKatana
@JeanKatana 3 жыл бұрын
+ after converting the transients are a lot sharper, more exact. Double PCM makes sense to my ears, but above, I dont notice more improvement, to be honest.
@bobbyy8711
@bobbyy8711 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, how can I formally send a question to you? Greetings from the Philippines.
@maxchristianpota779
@maxchristianpota779 3 жыл бұрын
wouldn't upsampling fix all of what you describe?
@xane2577
@xane2577 Жыл бұрын
FINALLY! I've been scratching my head for years about this, and now it makes sense. I just couldn't wrap my head around all that extra data, it felt like complete snake oil. Granted I'm probably not going to invest in Hi-Res, the redbook has done well by me, but at least now it makes sense
@kimatong1166
@kimatong1166 3 жыл бұрын
The more samples you make to an analog signal, the faithful a digital circuit it can recreate to the output. The greater the sampling rate, the greater the fidelity.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@Kim Atong: Wrong. Digital audio and sampling does not work that way. The greater the sampling rate, the greater the potential frequency response since higher sampling rates allow higher frequencies to be recorded and played back. Has nothing to do with fidelity whatsoever.
@raykuiper4979
@raykuiper4979 3 жыл бұрын
We all read about the very bad news from Boulder Colorado, I hope it will be save soon
@Distorted-Vision
@Distorted-Vision 3 жыл бұрын
Hope all the PS Audio family are safe after today's terrible events.
@bartvanransbeeck1341
@bartvanransbeeck1341 3 жыл бұрын
The highest harmonics are from the triangle and around 16khz...and our hearing drops steeply at 8khz in sensitivity....the famous fletcher..munson curve...
@laurentzduba1298
@laurentzduba1298 3 жыл бұрын
My DIY loudspeakers are -3dB down at 120,000 Hz after I installed a supertweeter. For all intents and purposes it is hi-rez 24 bit 192 kHz / DSD ready loudspeaker. The supertweeter also allows my rig to tell the difference of the harp guitar used by Michael Hedges from the one used by Saigon Kick.
@gtric1466
@gtric1466 3 жыл бұрын
120 Khz?
@derlowe4590
@derlowe4590 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's for the bats?
@chrisharper2658
@chrisharper2658 3 жыл бұрын
You don't discern between today's DSP filtering which would have no phase shifting and the discrete filters of years ago. The D2A output can have more and finer discrete steps, lessening the need for those more complex discrete filters that can introduce phase shifting. And what do you do when your high res. DAC can only resolve to 15 bits anyway?
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
the issue is when you record you cant let anything above the nyquist frequency hit the A/D converter in the first place, hence the need for an aggressive low pass filter right at the nyquist frequency when using the standard, relatively low sample rates.
@chrisharper2658
@chrisharper2658 3 жыл бұрын
@@PAPO1990 Yes I know, but your missing the point that the majority of the filtering is now done digitally and that greatly reduces the discrete analog filtering needed.
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisharper2658 you seem to be missing the fact that the filtering NEEDS to happen BEFORE the signal ever hits anything digital. I literally got a diploma in sound engineering studying this stuff, you can’t process it digitally if you haven’t digitized the signal yet, and you CAN NOT digitize the signal if you don’t filter out EVERYTHING above the nyquist frequency
@chrisharper2658
@chrisharper2658 3 жыл бұрын
@@PAPO1990 But your talking about recording and the subject is playback as in the DAC
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisharper2658 but in recording, the damage would already be done. Plus, down-converting always results in rounding errors.
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any advantage to recording in 24 bit if the master file will be 16?
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
More bits and higher sample rates are used in the recording studio to give editing headroom but are pointless for playback.
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoff37s38 how is the headroom not defeated by 16 bit conversion?
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
@@graxjpg The bit length determines noise floor, this is all it does. 16 bits gives a noise floor below hearing threshold. This is why silent sections on a CD are perfectly silent. You cannot improve on perfection.
@graxjpg
@graxjpg 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoff37s38 thank you for your succinct responses!
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
@@graxjpg Just to clarify. 24 bits may be used by the recording engineer to ensure capture of full dynamic range, especially on a live performance where dynamic range is unknown before performance starts. 24 bits gives engineer room to capture loudest sound without risking horrible distortion on these peaks. The recording can then be put in a 16 bit frame which is more than enough for the finest playback equipment.
@josetorres5566
@josetorres5566 3 жыл бұрын
What happen??? I hope everyone is safe 🙏
@joz411no8
@joz411no8 2 жыл бұрын
I recently saw a video on KZfaq where a guy is arguing that singers/musicians need not record above 16bit/44.1khz. He said that 24 and 32bit were absolutely unnecessary, as human hearing could not detect either, therefore it was also wasteful of storage space to house it. I can only wonder how people are listening to music, to not know anything above CD quality. It certainly explains the love-fest people had with low-to-average-quality MP3s over the last couple of decades.
@SuperMcgenius
@SuperMcgenius 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@paulelliott7727
@paulelliott7727 3 жыл бұрын
To everyone who says that sampling frequency has nothing to do with the audio range, it absolutely does. Try going the other way, and downsample a CD from 44.1kHz to 22kHz. You will instantly lose everything over 11kHz. This is just how digital audio works. Full disclosure, I do not subscribe to hi-res, but Nyquist is digital law.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
Paul, would you arm wrestle me?
@rickc661
@rickc661 3 жыл бұрын
as my ears ( using Utube Freqency response tests / CD ) drop off @ 9 KHZ....... ( I'm 72 )
@googoo-gjoob
@googoo-gjoob 3 жыл бұрын
youll still _know_ when it happens.
@jjquinn2004
@jjquinn2004 3 жыл бұрын
@Rick C I’m feeling a bit better now. I had my hearing tested at a medical center last month and mine drops off at 12Khz. But then, I’m “only” 66.
@hiresaudiocosta873
@hiresaudiocosta873 3 жыл бұрын
Some youngsters hearing have been tested up to almost 24Khz. But besides that, 40Khz can be perceived. Check out Dave Rat's video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNiIZ9CJu8zFdok.html
@corprakken3375
@corprakken3375 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you are allright at PS audio. Wishing you all the best from the Netherlands.
@csabakereszturi945
@csabakereszturi945 3 жыл бұрын
No more technical questions please! Only room treatment and speaker spikes.
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
I have another argument : shannon-nyquist theorem works only if you have infinite precision in your digital signal. But we don't because we you a finite number of bits (16 or 24). That's why increasing the number of bits is useful : you decrease the digital error amount, and you get closer to the shannon nyquist theorem. But even with 24 bit there is still digital error. So you need some headroom from signal frequency. In this case maxFreq x3 is better than x2. "Max freq X2 is enough" works only in theory, not in the real world.
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak you can see the shannon nyquist theorem, you need infinite digital precision and we cannot have this in real world. It's fact
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak he is saying exactly what I'm saying : we do not have infinite precision (we have a finite number of bits), so we cannot have 100% accuracy in conversion. The DA conversion add aditional noise because of that. If we respeted the shannon theorem, there should have 0 noise in DA conversion (which is the theorical 100% accurate conversion that cannot exist in real life) And to reduce the effect of quantization error, increasing the frequency is a solution. That's why I'm saying : "192 khz gives a better result thant 44 khz because the shannon theorem cannot be applied in real world, it's a theorical result" Now I hope you understand better how it works
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak no a 8 bit digital does not allow it does not because the digital errors create digital noise, so the conversion cannot be perfect ;) And yes there is no such thing as perfect conversion because there is no digital signal with infinite bit depth. That's what i'm saying since the beginning of this thread ^^
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak i don't say it's wrong, i say it's a simplification of the real world. As a lot of theorems are. And i say it again, the more bit you put, the closest it is from the infinite accuracy needed for the shannon theorem. A lesser bit means higher digital inaccuracy/errors and thus higher digital noise. It's quite simple. Which part don't you understand ^^ ?
@geekosa63
@geekosa63 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak it needs infinite precision (no quantification error) Because if you have quantification error, you cannot reproduce exactly the signal. Because you will reproduce the signal with errors (which is noise and distorsion). It's the reason why we use dithering : to mitigate this. I say it again : to reproduce perfectly a analog signal, you need the digital signal with 2x freqmax, and with no quantification approximation, which means a inifinite level of precision (number of bits) ! It's basics We dont have infinite level of precision, it's impossible to reach.
@audiokees4045
@audiokees4045 3 жыл бұрын
Fasefaults are not welcome, here I do speaking over the highest frequencies , so we need very high bandwidth and speed, Nice amp, see capacitive mosfet driving? I have two designs who use dc coupling. one of them is all plate follower soo complete nonfeedback except mosfets. I am not against feedback, but we need really a complete fase efficient system to get succesfull without harssnes sound.
@larrywe3320
@larrywe3320 3 жыл бұрын
Genalex - Gold Lion Tubes !?
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
Paul those electrolytic capacitors near those heat sinks is not good as heat makes them dry out and fail prematurely , I know that from much experience. Also shame on you for handling that board without electrostatic protection ,even though there may not be any CMOS (which are super susceptible ) devices there .all semiconductor devices can be injured by static discharge (that we may not even feel) causing them to fail prematurely in the future.
@FireTriode
@FireTriode 3 жыл бұрын
Like the older Power Plants... ;-) I recapped my P-600, and wow, what a difference!
@titntin5178
@titntin5178 3 жыл бұрын
Since when has sampling rate got anything to do with audio spectrum? Talk about confusing apples with oranges. Even entertaining this question is to improperly equate the two...
@jesusgavemeaids
@jesusgavemeaids 3 жыл бұрын
Lol he always shows "what we don't get to see" about their products. Anyone else notice that? I've seen that bhk amp 2 or 3 times now at least. Just wondering if anyone else notices that. Lol
@torfinnjohnsrud793
@torfinnjohnsrud793 3 жыл бұрын
Granted I haven't done any AB comparisons of hi-res audio, but I'm still in the camp that recording and mastering should be done at hi sample rates and bit depths. But downsampling the mastered audio to 44 or 48kHz and 16 bit depth is all that people can truly appreciate... I very well could be wrong 🤷🏼
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
I have done AB comparisons between a CD and a MFSL half speed mastered vinyl (which technically is hi-res ) and the vinyl wins easily but that was on an expensive highly resolving system.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
@@leekumiega9268 Vinyl is nowhere near "hi-res" - nowhere.
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
@@AntPDC Point #1 vinyl is capable of preproducing frequencies around 122 KHZ (see you tube anadialog sound above 20 KHZ ) , in show more the last link shows that MoFi was able to cut the lacquer at 122 KHZ but over heated the cutting head so it is limited below that but still Hi-Resolution. Point #2 the 70's quadraphonic records had the rear channels modulated on a 30 KHZ carrier with the frequency going up up to 45KHZ , and a good cartridge with a shibata or microline stylus could track that high, so vinyl is easily capable of Hi-Resolution. All of MoFi's vinyl records are in fact high resolution.
@user-od9iz9cv1w
@user-od9iz9cv1w 3 жыл бұрын
To me, a well recorded 44.1kHz red book recording is far more enjoyable than the average 96kHz recording. Why people sweat over not finding HiRes eludes me. A well recorded HiRes is very good, but not much better to be worth paying extra.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
True.
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
HiRes is about more information not just extended frequency response. The increased detail and musicality of a 24bit file is blindingly obvious even over my crappy laptop speakers. The source is the single most important part of any audio system ("garbage in, garbage out" as Ivor Tiefenbrun used to say) so it makes absolute sense to use the highest quality source file you can obtain. Remember the source signal can only ever be degraded as it passes through the audio system chain
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak So maybe, just maybe, the "wider dynamic range" is why, subjectively and to my ears very obviously, there is "more detail?" Certainly with an analogue system an extended dynamic range reveals low-level details and ambiance etc. previously masked by the system noise floor. Maybe, just maybe, "a lot more bits a lot more often" allows for easier error correction (as there are more check bytes) and lower jitter? Thanks for the reply - enjoy your day and stay safe
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Probably not as it appears you've already made your mind up you won't. "There are none so blind as those who will not see (or hear!)" Stick to measurements and theory and leave the subjectivity to us loonies ;0)
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Firstly you may, for all I know, be partially deaf. The fact that I can easily and consistently recognise HiRes variants of familiar recordings doesn't necessarily mean the next man can and, I have to say, have literally a lifetime's critical listening experience under my belt. For a visual analogy a colour blind person could not judge a painting, for instance, the same as you or I and, in likelihood,would be incapable of the same analysis (and response to) colours and colour balance . Accurate, consistent measurements don't lie; I agree, but perhaps you're measuring the wrong things. A van Gough may measure the same as some art student's scrawl; same canvas size and weight, same paint consistency, similar number of brush strokes.... How do you measure a Miles Davis solo against an indifferent but competent player's? Same eight note scale, same acoustics, similar instruments, identical volumes..... How do you measure beauty and inventiveness? How do you measure Shakespeare against a schoolboy essay? Same word count, similar language, all words composed of the same 26 letters of the alphabet.... How do you measure the person you love against a similar human? Same weight, same colour eyes, same age, similar education and background......How do you measure great culinary cooking against a Big Mac? Same calorific value, similar breakdown of carbs and sugars, similar ingredients of wheat, meat and vegetable matter... How do you measure what one man hears against the other? In a very crude sense you can test auditory response in terms of volume and frequencies but how do you measure his interpretation and experience? How do you measure his social conditioning and emotional response? I'd happily go blindfold a/b 'ing against standard 16 bit / HiRes files. Would you accept a consistency of correctness as a "measurement?" "There are more things in heaven and earth, ReaktorLeak, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy" to paraphrase the Bard.(who,incidentally, is no greater writer than Harold Robbins. I've measured a sample each of their books and they both weigh the same with similar page counts and pictures on the cover. This proves conclusively that Shakespeare is no more substantial or influential writer than Robins as they both measure identically). At the end of the day we're just going to have to agree to disagree my friend and, in the great scheme of things, it really doesn't matter does it? I'll continue to get pleasure from my HiRes files and you continue to enjoy your stance which I actually envy as that way I wouldn't have the expense of replacing my existing Red Book recordings! Take care, stay safe and thanks for a lively and thought-provoking debate ;0)
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeakTTo quote Mr Zimmerman; "You go your way (and I'll go mine)"
@russputin6294
@russputin6294 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Just because you can't, or "have never met anyone who could" isn't a definitive argument; it just casts aspersions on your own dogmas, closed mind, abilities and those of your associates. I can't run a minute mile or walked on the moon nor have I ever met anyone who can but that doesn't mean people who have don't exist. You're perfectly entitled to your opinions; go off and fill your boots with my blessings but please remember they're nothing but that; opinions.
@ThinkingBetter
@ThinkingBetter 3 жыл бұрын
Nice preamp. But all that great analog circuit isn't doing much in my digital system. I used to have a rack of analog sources. Now I have none and even gone preamp free. Bit perfect streaming FLAC from Amazon HD Music provides me all the music I could ever dream of in up to 192kHz 24 bits. I hope PS Audio will start to focus more on the future of digital systems e.g. I would love to see an active HIGH RESOLUTION DSP cross-over (pre-DAC) and discrete mono amp blocks where we can play with the filtering optimization for optimum frequency response and optimum phase.
@googoo-gjoob
@googoo-gjoob 3 жыл бұрын
youll be amazed how much (i know i was) how much 'love' the BHK-pre will give your system. they give you an in home trial. what have you got to lose? oh... and dont get me started in the DirectStream DAC. _mind blowing_
@ThinkingBetter
@ThinkingBetter 3 жыл бұрын
@@googoo-gjoob No doubt PS Audio makes awesome stuff. I use the Stellar S300 in my dining room at the moment. But preamps are gone from my setups as I archived my vinyl discs and have gone 100% streaming.
@infinitytrippyvideos1662
@infinitytrippyvideos1662 3 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest: we're all high, right? 😳🥴🤤
@justinbell7188
@justinbell7188 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the time i am when im watching this guy talk
@stephensmith3111
@stephensmith3111 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm high alright, but not on false drugs. I'm high on the real thing: powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoe shine. Over." -- Pastor Rod Flash, a.k.a. The Firesign Theatre (1970) Or words to that effect.
@infinitytrippyvideos1662
@infinitytrippyvideos1662 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephensmith3111 yeaaa lets slonk juul gasoline and windshield cleaning liquid 🥴🤤
@michaelturner4457
@michaelturner4457 3 жыл бұрын
"High Resolution" just a way of making one buy the Beatle's White Album yet again, isn't it? Having already purchased it multiple times in various formats over the years.
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
While that is sometimes just a marketing ploy other times is is better but you need a highly resolving system to hear the difference.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
@@leekumiega9268 Are you speaking from experience? What system are you using?
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
@@AntPDC Yes I speak from experience , the system was my friends very expensive system ,the speakers used 4 electrostatic panels for the mid and high frequencies.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@leekumiega9268 : The only way things can be better, is if they are mixed and mastered differently.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the comments below, along the lines of "it's just marketing", "you can't hear a difference" etc etc are just plain wrong. I have both the hi-res audio and the CD quality version of John Powell's 'Solo: A Star Wars Story', the same mastering, released at the same time. The hi res version is FLAC 24-bit 192 khz, the CD version is the standard 16-bit/44.1 khz. The difference in sound quality, the sense of space and soundstage between the two is simply incredible - if you *cannot* hear a difference then either your ears are knackered or your equipment isn't up to it.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Yes, I'd like to know that too.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Looks like KZfaq may be stripping out my reply with links, so I'll just have to give you generic details - it's on Prostudiomasters in the US, and on Qobuz for most of the world. Qobuz gives you the benefit of multiple file formats and qualities, whereas PSM gives you just FLAC hi res. Just search for Solo: A Star Wars Story Deluxe
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak Why on Earth would I want to do that? I already have the full 24-bit / 192 kHz complete album, as well as the CD quality 16-bit / 44.1 kHz, and when I play both files through my system I can tell the difference. I have already "judged" for myself. I don't need to listen to your adulterated files when I own the originals and can easily listen to them, without having been downsampled or otherwise manipulated. What a daft waste of your time and efforts. Oh, and you're welcome for the links by the way - sheesh.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak They are the exact same source - as you'll see from Qobuz, you can download in multiple file sizes/options - I downloaded both the high res files and the CD quality files. It's exactly the same source material.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak You seem to have missed my original point - I HAVE the 192/24 bit version and the 44.1/16-bit versions, both from Qobuz, both bought at the same time. I am able to do my own listening test, and have done so - played back through my Node 2i the difference between the 192 and the 44 is clear.
@edgararanda8722
@edgararanda8722 3 жыл бұрын
Bit-rate, audio frequency 20-20khz, same difference!! The point is all the audio quality comes from the source, all the audio systems are “garbage in, garbage out” you cannot make quality out of thin air!!
@DuaLeaD
@DuaLeaD 2 жыл бұрын
Why is the question worded this way? Was it from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about? Pitch frequency and digital sampling rate are not the same thing....
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
it doesn't matter why? yes it does, it's not even that hard. you need a sample at the top and the bottom of the waveform, if you have a 100Hz wave for example, to get a sample at the top and the bottom of that wave, you need to sample it at a minimum of 200Hz. Higher sample rates mean you also get more samples per wave. if you have a 20Khz wave, but it doesn't line up perfectly with when the samples occur, reproduction could be flawed. As a HUGE proponent and lover of hi-res audio though, even I admit anything past 24/96 hits diminishing returns pretty hard.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@PAPO1990 : If you understand how sampling works, then you should also understand why 16/44.1 or 48 is more than enough for the human ears.
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. If you really understand how sampling works, you'd know how wrong you are, especially once to take into account the aggressive low pass filters required to make things work while recording, and the phase problems those create. If you only have 2 samples per cycle on a wave, there is a good chance those samples won't line up perfectly with the peak and trough of the wave, creating errors. Add to that the staircase shaped digital waveform and you can SEE 44.1/48Khz isn't "more than enough" it's a bare minimum. As for 16 bit, it's ALMOST enough for playback, but it is BAD for recording. If you are recording you NEED 24bit, the extra headroom is invaluable because if there's even a TINY bit of digital clipping, it's going to sound ATROCIOUS. A little extra dynamic range is nice for playback, but I'll admit 24bit is overkill, HOWEVER, the conversion to a lower bit rate can lead to errors, yes, they are minor, but with storage and bandwidth being so plentiful these days, there is NO reason to down convert the bit rate just because you don't need the dynamic range.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@PAPO1990 : Unfortunately you are incorrect. 2 samples is actually enough to sample a high frequency. Also there is no such thing as a "staircase shaped digital waveform". It doesn't exist. All signals with content entirely below the Nyquist frequency (half the sampling rate) are captured perfectly and completely by sampling. When it comes to bit depth, 16 bit is 96 dB worth of dynamic range and 120 dB if dither was used. There is no song nor album in existence that would come even close to having 96 dB worth of dynamic range. For example one of the most popular songs, PSY - Gangam Style, only has 8 bits. You are lucky if you can find a mainstream song that uses over 10 bits. The 16 bit noise floor is already below what we can hear however. For recording, sure, 24 bit is just fine. For playback, it's useless. I highly suggest you check out a video here on youtube called: "D/A and A/D | Digital Show and Tell" since that explains these things way better than I do.
@PAPO1990
@PAPO1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. I literally studied this stuff, everything below the nyquist frequency is not PREFECT. Dither is literally noise being added to the signal. And while most mainstream releases are compressed to use very little dynamic range, high quality classical and orchestral music often uses significantly more, even necessitating more than 96dB in some cases. As for stair casing. That is literally what the digital representation of the waveform becomes. The higher the sample rate, the finer the stair case.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@PAPO1990 : Then you should ask a refund since they teached you bullshit. As long as we keep using a sampling rate that is double the desired frequency, we can perfectly capture and reproduce those frequencies. Simple as that. If you have an oscilloscope, you can actually test and prove it yourself. When it comes to dither, it is shaped noise and replaces the original noise produced by quantization. Again, there is no recorded music in existence that would come close to 96 dB or exceed it. Again, there is no such thing as "stair casing". Watch the video I told you about already, since otherwise you are just wasting your time talking nonsense.
@ericnortan9012
@ericnortan9012 Жыл бұрын
Just trust me......
@ericnortan9012
@ericnortan9012 Жыл бұрын
*Before I watch the video. Answer: To keep me pissed off.
@DR-lc9qg
@DR-lc9qg 3 жыл бұрын
Thoughts and prayers with the people of Boulder, all those effected directly by the awful events that happened. I hope all at PS Audio are safe and well.
@georgekonstantakis6740
@georgekonstantakis6740 3 жыл бұрын
I would say it in a simpler way. What's the point of having a car which can travel at much more speed than the maximum speed limit; Because in speeds near or below limit, it will travel with much less noise and will be much more controlable by its driver. It will also have better quality brakes system, aka, safer.
@Commiefornia
@Commiefornia 3 жыл бұрын
To me that it more of an analogy for power amps. Perhaps a better analogy would be digital cameras. Say you wanted to crop an image. You'll get a higher quality picture if you crop a 10 megapixel image than a 5 megapixel image and then later make a large print. By having a higher resolution audio signal you are able to crop (filter) the extraneous audio signal and still have good sounding audio.
@georgekonstantakis6740
@georgekonstantakis6740 3 жыл бұрын
@@Commiefornia 👍
@DrLoveQc
@DrLoveQc 3 жыл бұрын
Lol sampling frequency has nothing to do with the audio range. I cant believe Im watching this.. not the first time with wrong response. Since the questions are taken in advance, a little bit of double check on wiki would be great before to make the video.
@johan.mp4
@johan.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should check the Wikipedia article about Nyquist theorem before posting. Or actually watch this video where this relationship is explained 🤦‍♂️
@DrLoveQc
@DrLoveQc 3 жыл бұрын
@@johan.mp4 dont worry about the theorem I learned it at school long time ago in my electronic degree. You clearly dont understand how it is apply to hi-res audio if you think that the goal is to get frequency over 20Khz, it is to get more precise audio reproduction of the signal, combine with higher bits it create an higher fidelity reproduction of the analog signal. Of course higher sampling will be able to record higher frequency, but most will be attenuate by the speakers, amplifier and internal dac filter.
@johan.mp4
@johan.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrLoveQc never wrote that was the only goal. It was you writing it has NOTHING to do with audio range. Chill.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrLoveQc : You have no clue what you are talking about. Please go back to school or at least educate yourself about this topic before commenting.
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
Anadialog's KZfaq site has a video where he mentions that while we can't hear those high frequencies we do indeed some how perceive them and he has links to the research that prove that we can .
@leekumiega9268
@leekumiega9268 3 жыл бұрын
@ReaktorLeak No one heard the high frequencies but some people could tell when the high frequency content was there or not and some reported what they could hear sounded better even though they could not actually hear the high frequencies .
@DomRivers67
@DomRivers67 3 жыл бұрын
A bad recording played at 32bit is going to sound worse than a good recording played in 16bit Sometimes the bad recording played in 32 bit sounds worse than the same recording in 16 bit. If you're over 60, CD is as good as you're ever gonna hear too I'm afraid lol
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone interested in a great explanation of how digital recording works should watch the KZfaq video D/A and A/D digital show and tell by Monty Montgomery. This video clearly debunks the hi-res myth.
@edfort5704
@edfort5704 2 жыл бұрын
That's why it has a closed comments section, ey? Though shall not question the gospel of CD PCM! P.S.: We can hear multiple concurrent soundwaves in the audible 20Hz-20kHz, likely very many, possibly even the entire audible range. Just like our eyes can see the entire visual spectrum at the same time, it may be possible that our ears and bodies could hear & perceive the entire audible spectrum at the same time. That's how hi-res audio makes sense. It's not about the bs misdirection of hear 100kHz soundwaves, but about perceiving many of the soundwaves in the 20Hz-20kHz at the same time.
@drjooteoh8078
@drjooteoh8078 3 жыл бұрын
Hope family and staff at ps audio are all safe.
@TallSomeone
@TallSomeone 3 жыл бұрын
Useless. Sampling frequency is not audio reproduction data.
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
Sampling frequency in the digital domain has nothing whatsoever to do with the frequency response of the human ear at playback. That Paul conflates the two here is disappointing. At any rate, I'd love to see a live video of a double-blind AB test of Red Book CD compared with so-called "hi-res" using the same masterings, played on the same equipment. Nobody in their right mind from the audio industry - including journalists - would ever, ever agree to participate. Why? Well, we know why don't we?
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
Except that this has been done on multiple occasions, and published warts and all. As an example have a look at The Guardian, which did a test and published their findings way back in 2014, shortly after Neil Young launched his Pono tech: www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res Really would be better to do some research before claiming no journalist would "ever, ever agree to participate".
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardt3371 Thank you for your comments - even your acidulous concluding remark. I totally stand by my comment. The Guardian article you cited did not feature a live video of the tests they ran; nor were they conducted under double-blind AB listening conditions. No, the write-up was done post-facto, in close collaboration with the other participants (although it is fair to say that the conclusions reached lacked any apparent bias). This is a cost/benefit issue for prospective purchasers of audio equipment, including those whose enjoyment of their existing kit may well be undermined by hi-res marketing claims, thereby encouraging them to shell out on costly and probably quite unnecessary replacement gear. A live video featuring double-blind AB listening tests involving the industry and its audio journalist co-conspirators would assist in this process - especially when the outcome of 50/50 (ie a guess) can safely be predicted, judging by previously published tests conducted by the AES under controlled conditions. Best wishes.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
@@AntPDC Good heavens. So they did not do it exactly as you wanted them to? Even though it was done in 2014, and was - as I stressed - just one example of audio tests carried out by journalists and their findings published? There was no bias in it, no axe to grind - it was a fair summation of the experiences of 3 music journalists. But apparently only if they do it double blind (which wouldn't work, and would be impossible to carry out, suggest you look into what double-blind would actually entail, as it would mean both participants AND those doing the test wouldn't know which was which, which is daft) will you consider their experience worthwhile. Son, you can't always get what you want.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardt3371 : You just have no clue what you are talking about. Please go back to school or at least educate yourself about this topic before commenting.
@MrBiggmartin
@MrBiggmartin 3 жыл бұрын
It's called the Nyquist Theorem and nothing else. It was published in the thirties by Nyquist and Shannon. The reason for it to called a theorem was that at the time there was no way to prove your concept because the technology was not available. But it was deemed to be so logically sound that it was named a theorem.
@williampearson4968
@williampearson4968 3 жыл бұрын
High Resolution is a BHK Preamp. Check out the insides from 1:05 to 1:50. Gotta know what you are doing in high end audio like Bascom and other HiFi geniuses.
@IsmaelMartinezPR
@IsmaelMartinezPR 3 жыл бұрын
Well why have Hi-Res Audio at all. No Mr. Paul, not most of us can hear to 20K. Why do we need sample rates of 292k, or even 96K when typical adults don't hear past 16K. Much less middle aged adults. Its called Presbycusis and all humans suffer from it. However, even worst there are many of hi-resolution files from times when there was no digital means and there are also plenty that have useless information past 20K that our gear has to work to decode, our tweeters also and that can be a problem. This has been thoroughly debunked by ASR and others. The music industry is simply packaging the same music and selling it again in a different format. Same record (Beatles, Stones, F-Mac) has been sold in vinyl, 8-track, cassette, CD, MP3, remastered into more CD's, vinyl again and hi-res download / stream. New hi-res files sound better in part because there are re-mastered and not as blasted as the ones for radio or current pop music. BTW the filtering has also been debunked.
@TobyIKanoby
@TobyIKanoby 3 жыл бұрын
I heard some terrible news from Boulder, of course the first thing I had to think about is PS Audio, hope everyone is safe.
@CptMark
@CptMark 3 жыл бұрын
placebo
@allansh828
@allansh828 3 жыл бұрын
why fast car?
@fsmoura
@fsmoura 3 жыл бұрын
Great answer. Here's a better one: "Because it's more expensive."
@AntPDC
@AntPDC 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
Paul is confused on sample rate and sound frequency. Modern DACs resolve the steep filter issue by over sampling. A modern $100 DAC can out perform many older $5000 DACs. A 44.1 kHz/16-bit CD or file is indistinguishable from an HD file regardless of whether it comes from a disc or is streamed to your DAC. In properly conducted blind tests no audiophile could get better than chance. It’s time to stop pushing the myth of hi-res and accept it is the quality of the original recording that matters. For the end user loudspeaker quality and room acoustics are by far the most important factors in determining sound quality in any home system.
@easystreetphoto2401
@easystreetphoto2401 3 жыл бұрын
oversampling is exactly what he's talking about.
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
@@easystreetphoto2401 he said nothing about over sampling. His explanation was muddled and confusing.
@easystreetphoto2401
@easystreetphoto2401 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoff37s38 oversampling is literally the only thing he talked about.
@geoff37s38
@geoff37s38 3 жыл бұрын
@@easystreetphoto2401 oversampling is used to denote a process used in the reconstruction phase of digital-to-analog conversion, in which an intermediate high sampling rate is used between the digital input and the analogue output. Here, digital interpolation is used to add additional samples between recorded samples, thereby converting the data to a higher sample rate, a form of upsampling. When the resulting higher-rate samples are converted to analog, a less complex and less expensive analog reconstruction filter is required.
@easystreetphoto2401
@easystreetphoto2401 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoff37s38 yes. that's the one thing he talks about here.
@tomamyx3980
@tomamyx3980 3 жыл бұрын
Why? To make more MONEY!!! It's always something new to foist on an adoring public, isn't it?
@taroistok8751
@taroistok8751 3 жыл бұрын
This made no sense at all, you cannot hear any if that shit above 20khz, filter are a really poor explanation for the overshoot. This guy probably cant hear above 14000khz at is age, audiofooling at its best. So where does it end 2 ghz ??? Lol
@timharig
@timharig 3 жыл бұрын
Where it ends depends on how steep you can make a filter that doesn't significantly distort the music.What the Nyquist-Shannon theorem does is to define which frequencies contain the quantization noise. If you have a sampling frequency of 44kHz, then the quantization noise is at frequencies starting at 22kHz. It is very difficult to create filter that allows frequencies of 20kHz to pass unattenuated while blocking the noise above 22kHz that do not add their own distortion -- particularly phase distortion. However. If you sample at 192kHz, the noise is all above 96kHz. It is much easier to make a non-distorting filter in the gap between 20kHz and 96kHz.
@taroistok8751
@taroistok8751 3 жыл бұрын
@@timharig its hilarious that you consider filter that allow frequencies of 20KHZ to pass...lol why does it matter exactly... lol ?
@timharig
@timharig 3 жыл бұрын
@@taroistok8751 Because if you do not, you end up with the samples as a kind of square wave instead of the recreated analog wave form.
@taroistok8751
@taroistok8751 3 жыл бұрын
@@timharig nyquist explained this long ago..... at 44hz the human ears cant see the difference at all it perceived a analog wave of sound and cannot hears the step or know its squares, for frequency up to 20 khz. The problem is audiofool paying thosand of dollars for no reason..... When you go to the cinema do you look at a movie and think you see the individual frames? No your eyes cant, same with ears and high rez
@timharig
@timharig 3 жыл бұрын
@@taroistok8751 You are mis-reading the theorem. Unfortunately, most sources only state Shannon's part of the theorem about the Nyquist limit rather than actually showing the mathematics behind it. Like all mathematical theorems, the Nyquist-Shannon Sample Theorem has criteria that determine when it applies and when it does not. In the case of Nyquist-Shannon Sample Theorem, that if case specifies that the theorem ONLY works for bandlimited systems. This is why DAC's always have a low pass filter. It is referred to as a reconstruction filter, an anti-aliasing filter, or an anti-imaging filter: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_filter The output of the DAC will not be a square wave or step. Once the signal goes through the low pass filter, all of the sampling noise above the Nyquist limit will be removed and a perfectly smooth recreation of the original sampled sound will be output. All this works because Nyquist part of the theorem isn't just about the Nyquist rate. What it really shows is how the sampling rate determines the higher order aliases that are produced by the sampling pulses. It shows that an infinite aliases occur at integer multiples of the sampling frequency in order to create the sharp sample boundaries.(Remember short pulses in the time domain equals broad bandwidth in the frequency domain.) Low pass filter to remove all of the aliases, and you are left with just the original smooth signal from the baseband.
@johnsweda2999
@johnsweda2999 3 жыл бұрын
just a marketing ploy the question is why does 16-bit sound better than hi-rez
@mariuszgorka4713
@mariuszgorka4713 3 жыл бұрын
Too many people concentrate on number crunching and measurements as opposed to letting their ears do the judging.
@johan.mp4
@johan.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
That question doesn't even make sense. Bit depth and sampling frequency goes together. High bit depth makes a lot sense when making and mixing music. But when it's time to play it back 16 bit is enough.
@richardt3371
@richardt3371 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't, and that wasn't the question. 16-bit *cannot* sound better than hi-res, but you could argue that hi-res doesn't sound better than 16-bit. It's all in the mastering.
@johan.mp4
@johan.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
It's like asking how fast is one kilogram.
@IsmaelMartinezPR
@IsmaelMartinezPR 3 жыл бұрын
CD quality is most than any human may need. Maybe 48K sample rates to accommodate for not such as steep filter. However don't forget that the music industry is simply packaging the same music and selling it again in a different format. Audiophiles and others buy a DAC that reads 768K and you want a file that lights up that LED so you feel you got the best. All placebo.
@michaelturner4457
@michaelturner4457 3 жыл бұрын
So the dude in this video doesn't know what oversampling is?
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