Why History Judges the Wehrmacht too Harshly [WW2]

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Not all Germans in World War II were "Nazis," and there were even Germans in the Wehrmacht who actually stood up for what what was right and opposed the SS.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:59 The Wehrmacht vs the SS
3:13 Dispelling the myth
3:52 Reserve Police Battalion 101
5:25 Carl-Heinrich Rudolf Wilhelm von Stülpnagel
7:07 Battle of Castle Itter
8:41 Soldiers' Mentality
10:11 Conclusion

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@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
Don't agree that not every German in WWII was a diehard Nazi 😶? Why not voice your opinion in our Discord server? discord.gg/qt68efP
@DanTheYoutubeAddict
@DanTheYoutubeAddict 4 жыл бұрын
I agree that these men were not completely evil, but they were by far the exception and most of the Wehrmacht had no hesitation to commit atrocities against innocent civilians or POWs.
@dr69_420
@dr69_420 4 жыл бұрын
That you Geetsly ?
@pawe6473
@pawe6473 4 жыл бұрын
As a Pole i remember some Wehrmacht officer got himself killed in first days of war because of atrocites.
@Dontwlookatthis
@Dontwlookatthis 4 жыл бұрын
No need. I did it on the Front.
@petershen6924
@petershen6924 4 жыл бұрын
​@Fabian Kirchgessner In the book Hitler's Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg, Rigg interviewed many Wehrmacht veterans who are partially Jewish (Half or Quarter Jewish). Among them, most of them had never heard of Nazi atrocities, let alone acting as perpetrators. Many have relatives that were deported and died in concentration camps, but they didn't even know about it until after the war.
@techzeno
@techzeno 4 жыл бұрын
How german is your name? *Carl-Heinrich Rudolf Wilhelm Von Stulpnagel*
@kakake2098
@kakake2098 4 жыл бұрын
german noises Itensifying
@dave_sic1365
@dave_sic1365 4 жыл бұрын
Stülpnagel
@gsthomas187
@gsthomas187 4 жыл бұрын
Or in layman's terms, General Consonant ShitShow
@Oblio1942
@Oblio1942 4 жыл бұрын
UND DAS HEISST... ERIKA!
@drmystery2662
@drmystery2662 4 жыл бұрын
How scp is your name Me:DATA REDACTED EXPUNGED AND EARASED
@kayagorzan
@kayagorzan 4 жыл бұрын
They always say Wehrmacht, but never Howhmacht
@flynntom8057
@flynntom8057 4 жыл бұрын
Whyhmacht?
@omealvincarlosisgay4384
@omealvincarlosisgay4384 4 жыл бұрын
Whomacht
@raptordoniv6779
@raptordoniv6779 4 жыл бұрын
@@omealvincarlosisgay4384 Whomstmacht
@sevvysweetsparkles6969
@sevvysweetsparkles6969 4 жыл бұрын
Whenmacht
@Kenshi-23
@Kenshi-23 4 жыл бұрын
Ohhimacht
@GhiaceCube
@GhiaceCube 4 жыл бұрын
Castle Itter: is mentioned AND ITS AMERICAN TROOPS AND THE GERMAN ARMY JOINING TOGETHER AT LAST
@wolfgang6517
@wolfgang6517 4 жыл бұрын
Well, more like austrians but okay
@avgft3419
@avgft3419 4 жыл бұрын
mmmm sabaton
@Martin-vy7mm
@Martin-vy7mm 4 жыл бұрын
More like 8 artillery dudes and 1 officer
@adenkyramud5005
@adenkyramud5005 4 жыл бұрын
And it's the end of the line, of the final journey, enemies leaving the past. And it's American troops and the German army joining together at last
@MooShaka89
@MooShaka89 4 жыл бұрын
Sabaton!
@goodkingsnufflepaws2918
@goodkingsnufflepaws2918 4 жыл бұрын
I find tying the revival of the German army explicitly to the rise of the Nazis and Hitler in '35 completely ignores everything that happened during the Weimar Republic. Rearmament, massive reorganization, large scale mobilization, and most definitely 'a physical form' had already occurred/was occurring, even in multiple forms - remnants of the Kaiser's army fighting in the German Revolution, Freikorps units, the Provisional Reichswehr, and the Reichswehr. The growth of the Wehrmacht can literally not be understood without these developments, the entire model of the 'officer's army' that allowed that extremely rapid growth in the mid 30s is directly the result of the German officers from the 1920s - not Hitler waving some magic wand to create an army.
@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, mate. Thanks for your comprehensive response. We certainly could have gone into more detail here, though it wasn't the focus of the video. In the future, we may create a video on just this, in which we can afford it the attention it deserves. Cheers.
@goodkingsnufflepaws2918
@goodkingsnufflepaws2918 4 жыл бұрын
​@@TheFront I'd love to see one! It just seems odd, in a video where you try to provide the better moments of the Wehrmact, to so closely tie it to the Nazi party. It is not a matter of extra detail in this one, but just not directly saying the army gained a physical form after Hitler came into power. That in itself then presents the Wehrmact as a fully dedicated Nazi instrument from the very get-go and not a force of Germans who joined to fight for Germany. Basically, if you are trying to present an argument that not every German in WWII was a diehard Nazi, don't present the Wehrmact as a Nazi creation.
@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
@@goodkingsnufflepaws2918 You know what, that makes a whole lot of sense, and I think you are 100% right.
@amirudinadnan7024
@amirudinadnan7024 4 жыл бұрын
@@goodkingsnufflepaws2918 same goes to the Russian people too. Not every Russian in ww2 was a diehard Communists. Some of them were forced to fight or else they were executed for treason. Even some of the members of the Red Army also hated the Communists ideology. Both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were the bad guys in ww2.
@sidexmabaho
@sidexmabaho 4 жыл бұрын
@@amirudinadnan7024 to be exact,it's the leaders of the countries that's the bad guys and we're their toys being used bcause of their bullshits
@HeadsetHatGuy
@HeadsetHatGuy 4 жыл бұрын
how dare you scroll down while the narrator is speaking
@mks2987
@mks2987 4 жыл бұрын
What in hell is this flag my dude?
@HeadsetHatGuy
@HeadsetHatGuy 4 жыл бұрын
@@mks2987 Communist Germany what do you expect
@TrueSonOfWalhall
@TrueSonOfWalhall 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeadsetHatGuy remove that atrocious thing from rhe glorious flag
@HeadsetHatGuy
@HeadsetHatGuy 4 жыл бұрын
@@TrueSonOfWalhall off to gulag
@sidexmabaho
@sidexmabaho 4 жыл бұрын
how the hell did you know? my scrolling exactly stopped at this...
@lebreizhblond
@lebreizhblond 4 жыл бұрын
As a French viewer, I think it's really important to show that there is not a single war where a whole country/side is unified under one and only ideology. In France, it took a long time for politicians to admit about Petain's collaboration with Nazis, even if the population already knew about it.
@Uqwefsdjxsa
@Uqwefsdjxsa 3 жыл бұрын
Hell it’s not even nazis, people blame one group or another for horrible history, and tragic events. For example Turks are in many ways treated as shit in lands outside their country, and across Asia Japanese people have been seen as horrible for their actions in ww2. The sad reality is that everybody was and is a piece of shit. Every Race and nation has been in some way or form a piece of throughout history.
@empirespeech2430
@empirespeech2430 2 жыл бұрын
As for an example of you being a French, some of LVF fought in the Battle of Berlin for Germany. So even nations that appear to be pure in WWII, many are just hiding truth.
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 2 жыл бұрын
Most believed in the Nazi ideogy or supported them anyway, no sympathy, most of all of them would have to have ended up in jail or firing squad for everything they did and tried to do.
@paullakowski2509
@paullakowski2509 2 жыл бұрын
In Canada the armed forces had to be volunteers, because the French population, could not agree with dominion under British rule.
@stevensmileyprod
@stevensmileyprod 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't he hung shortly after the war? That's basically admitting it.
@smokingunstudios6474
@smokingunstudios6474 4 жыл бұрын
There’s only two types of view on the wachmact either people say that they were blameless, and the people who counter that by saying they were no better than the SS. There’s a gray area in the middle that’s the correct part
@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's way too polarised
@felipesubiabre314
@felipesubiabre314 4 жыл бұрын
@RadTheLad i have had debates with some classmates about this with both of us saying that the grey area was the correct, yet they called me a wehraboo and im like "B*tch we agree wtf"
@TheKrieg45
@TheKrieg45 4 жыл бұрын
@@felipesubiabre314 They are just communist then lol
@fredericusrex9397
@fredericusrex9397 4 жыл бұрын
Like my grandmother always says - the truth lays in the middle
@smokingunstudios6474
@smokingunstudios6474 4 жыл бұрын
Fredericus Rex I have to disagree with you, it doesn’t always there are some things that are just black and white
@old-moose
@old-moose 4 жыл бұрын
I have always been interested in the German resistance. I have an uncle-in-law who fled the Nazis in early 1938 for "unGerman activities" (i.e. helping Jews and being loudly anti-Nazi). 5 of his 7 brothers died during the escape and 2 of 3 sisters spent time in prison. My uncle, an editor & reporter for an industrial magazine, made it to England where he worked with the RAF and later the US Army Air Corp with the bombing campaign against industrial targets. In 1944 he moved to Montana and became a cattle rancher.
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 4 жыл бұрын
Something of note is that it was very diverse and not really a united thing. Like the 20th of July plotters had a specific goal in mind that didnt have to do with other individual germans who resisted SS atrocities and called out the government
@jannickmetz3150
@jannickmetz3150 4 жыл бұрын
@@Spongebrain97 Even the 20th of july plotters were very divers they hadn't one single Plan in Mind after Hitler was deposed. Many wanted the monarchy back others wanted a republic like befor 1933
@lxi9648
@lxi9648 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a traitor to me
@bubba98
@bubba98 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the facts
@lxi9648
@lxi9648 4 жыл бұрын
@NotFBIAgent ^the uncle
@Historyfan476AD
@Historyfan476AD 4 жыл бұрын
But the Wehrmacht did perform a good amount of the war crimes in the Eastern Front, they willingly worked for the SS as well.
@aleks1219
@aleks1219 4 жыл бұрын
They were committing war crimes since september 1939
@Historyfan476AD
@Historyfan476AD 4 жыл бұрын
@@aleks1219 Of course, but the East was there main stage to perform them in.
@erniefrijole2618
@erniefrijole2618 4 жыл бұрын
What number of war crimes exactly is a "good amount"? Does anyone on here proofread the nonsense they write? The number of Canadian and Italian warcrimes were a better amount? Really? Less per capital than the Japanese, yeah right! OK, got it, cheerio!?
@Historyfan476AD
@Historyfan476AD 4 жыл бұрын
@@erniefrijole2618 Well none but in the case of WW2 the one who did the least amount which is the western allies though there hands where not clean either of course.
@johanmikkael6903
@johanmikkael6903 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly if theyre communist they would kill them but if they are willing to participate, they let them.
@kingstar0084
@kingstar0084 3 жыл бұрын
I can highly recommend the book “Soldiers“. When Germans were captured from the British or the US they werw constantly spied out with micorphones. But of course they didn't know. The reason why this is the best source to know what the common German soldier was thinking is the fact, that those soldiers didn't know how it would end. When a soldier in 1942 said he doesn't like the Nazi party he did not say that to safe his own ass after defeat because most of the soldiers thought they would win in 1942. Overall a really good book
@benco41
@benco41 3 жыл бұрын
I second that. It was a fascinating read
@NeiasaurusCreations
@NeiasaurusCreations 3 жыл бұрын
There's actually a series on youtube covering British spying on top German officers captured. And the insight into the top brass really does kinda shatter this narrative. For example, here's an exchange that stuck with me, and really haunts me. 1st genera: "It was in Poland when we started killing women and children that we went too far." ---- ('when WE started killing, not when 'they' started killing') 2nd general "What good is it to kill the elderly and dying if we leave the spawn." 1st general "That may be so, but I will need time to get used to this." There was another exchange where a general said "The rest of the world will give one point to Hitler, that the Jews had to be exterminated. And that Germany did the dirty work for the west." Heck, the entire invasion of Russia seeped in nazi racism that slavs are a weaker race, and will just yield after they lose a little. I kid you not, the largest ground invasion in history, was steeped in so much racism, they never considered 'yeah but what if russia doesn't just give up? And we have to fight a serious war?" History man, can't even make this shit up.
@kingstar0084
@kingstar0084 3 жыл бұрын
@@NeiasaurusCreations Yes, that's completely true. In my opinion the German officers are the worst of all. Even an Officer who was later involved in the plot to kill Hitler said it's the best to shoot them all. That is also stated in the book, but what I'm interested in is what the normal soldiers thought. Did they think the same or completely different or whatever and as far as I know the answer is not very clear. There are documents of soldiers that stated them selves as Anti Nazis, they hated the war, the Führer, the whole regime but the “Endlösung“ was great in their opinion. And on the other hand you have the complete opposite, some soldiers loved Hitler and making Germany great again and got them out of the great depression (that's all what they said not me) but they had absolutely no understanding in the race theories about jews and aryans etc. Then there are people like “von Niedermayer“ who wanted to make the caucasian peoples independent from the Soviet Union and who was later sent to a concentration camp because he complained about the bad conditions for the Ukrainians. As I said, the answer is not clear.
@NeiasaurusCreations
@NeiasaurusCreations 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingstar0084 See for me, I'm not too interested in the "common soldier" thought about it, as many really didn't receive much of a choice, conscription among other reason, including from occupied countries like Czeck. I'm also of the mind it's not really possible to know what every individual soldier thinks. But the other thing is, I don't really think it matters. Because at the end of the day, the werhmacht is guilty of just as much as the waffen SS, and the SS as a whole is. And that more often than not the common soldier would obey criminal orders, for whatever reason. So it becomes a bit irrelevant to me if they fought hating hitler, or if they fought loving him. They still fought. The act meaning more than the motive in a case that it'd be impossible to know every soldier's individual thoughts and reason on a scale of millions of men under arms for Germany. Practicality winning out in that we can safely prove enough crimes to easily label the Wehrmacht as a criminal organization from top down. And while it sounds harsh, it is true.
@pannik_lucas
@pannik_lucas Жыл бұрын
Who's the author?
@jamesbodnarchuk6245
@jamesbodnarchuk6245 4 жыл бұрын
My best friend's father served in The luftwaffa as a radio operator. His brother was murdered by the SS in the final days of the war for not wanting to fight.
@chongxina8288
@chongxina8288 3 жыл бұрын
It was a heroic action. That man wasn’t a trendy. Respect.
@romullbog
@romullbog 3 жыл бұрын
Your father was a criminal. And your uncle a saint.
@goldenirets8930
@goldenirets8930 3 жыл бұрын
@@romullbog what
@carbonmonoxide20
@carbonmonoxide20 3 жыл бұрын
@@romullbog how can his father be a criminal kid
@jeda3129
@jeda3129 3 жыл бұрын
That’s amazing man, the Luftwaffe had a huge sense of respect and honor towards their enemies! It’s amazing to read stories about the German aces and learn how much they hated the fuhrer and Herman goring. They talked about the Gustavo a lot and hated the political types. Really changes the perspective
@petervanrillaer7184
@petervanrillaer7184 3 жыл бұрын
My father often told me that during the war, his parents had a café in Brussels. They hide a Jewish family on the attic. When they moved, you could hear it in the Cafe below. Because Brussels was occupied, there where a lot of German soldiers from the wehrmacht present, and although he was a kid then, my father swore some of the soldiers knew (because they were looking up) but they didn't say anything or betrayed them to the ss or Gestapo (which would have been execution by the bullet for his parents). The wehrmacht soldiers also disliked the ss, Gestapo and even Hitler when they were drunk and often the conversations, in the beginning jolly, would mute when the ss or Gestapo entered the room.
@arvidsky
@arvidsky 3 жыл бұрын
History doesn't judge the Wehrmacht too harshly. It took us until the late 80s (and really the 90s and 2000s), before we seriously started blaming the Wehrmacht for its complicity in the atrocities of the war (mainly on the Eastern Front). I don't know anyone who says "they were all Nazis"; but on the contrary, most people still seem to believe that they were "just soldiers".
@zer.m491
@zer.m491 2 жыл бұрын
Lol Millions of German Soldiers were freed from prisons becouse no crime was found and there is actually a picture how the Wehrmacht Soldiers reacted to Videos of the SS work camps and they were ashamed
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 2 жыл бұрын
@@zer.m491 Hahahaha, your lies are funny: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
@mervinvanoort7877
@mervinvanoort7877 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an interesting video. an interesting example is the 18-year-old German-speaking Belgian Mathias Schenk. He was a soldier in the wermacht. His regiment fought against the poles during Warsaw uprising. His unit came into contact with SS Oskar Drilewanger brigade, which supported the unit. The Dirlewanger brigade committed horrific acts of war against the polish population. In a interview with Mathias Schenk, Mathias tells how he was an eyewitness to the horrified war crimes. He tells how he saw how these SS men used civilians as living shields on their tanks. when a mother drops her daughter, the child ended up under the tracks. The screaming mother is shot in the head to silence her. the rest of the civilians fled and were shot in the back. Mathias hated these war crimes. After a few days Mathias is also under SS Dirlewanger's command Mathias tells what tells what happend. “That was probably my last action in Warsaw. We were storming some building, I ran through a field. A wounded soldier lay on the ground. I gave him some water from my canteen, than ran forward to blow some doors. The SS was moving behind us. When I ran back, Dirlewanger stopped me. He pointed to the wounded soldier: 'You gave water to this pig?' Only then did I notice, that on a German uniform the wounded had a dirty white-red armband." "'Shoot him!' Dirlewanger handed me his pistol." "I stood motionless, sick of all of that. Dirlewanger was so furious, that I couldn't understand what he was shouting. The Pole looked at me. I will never forget his eyes. In Warsaw I learned to recognize if a wounded would survive the next ten minutes or a couple of hours. When one sees so many people dying you just know how long they will live. One of Dirlewanger SS-men grabbed the gun from me and shot the Pole." Mathias couldn't take it anymore in the winter of 1944/1945 he deserted from the army. he went into hiding with the Polish farmers, who pitied the young Schenk. After the war, Schenk returns to Belgium where he marries and has three daughters.
@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
Dirlewanger was probably one of the most despicable Nazi's I've ever researched. A through and through psychopath
@arscomica6349
@arscomica6349 4 жыл бұрын
German soldiers were using civilians as living shields many times durning uprsing. The most known examples: - 02.08.1944 Okopowa str. (Wola district), Luftwaffe (Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Herman Goering") - 03.08.1944 Wolska str. (Wola district), Luftwaffe (Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1 "Herman Goering") - 03.08.1944 Jerusalem Av. (Downtown), Wehrmacht (Königlich-Preußisches Grenadier-Regiment König Friedrich der Große (3. Ostpreussisches) Nr. 4 ) - 04.08.1944 Monopol Tytoniowy (Ochota district), Schutzpolizei - 05.08.1944 Krakowskie Przedmieście st., Królewska st., Świętokrzyska st. (Downtown), Wehrmacht - 05.08.1944 Piusa XI str. (Downtown), Sicherheitzpolizei, Schutzpolizei - 07.08.1944 Chłodna/Elektoralna str. Karowa str. Bednarska str. (Downtown), SS (SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger) - 08.08.1944 Bielańska str, Senatorska str. (Downtown), SS (SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger) and also during the attack on the Polish barricade on Leszno str. (12.08.1944), during the assault on the hospital of John of God (21.08.1944), or during the fighting after the fall of the Polish Security Printing Works (28.08.1944), during the fighting in Powiśle, Górny Czerniaków and Marymont.
@erniefrijole2618
@erniefrijole2618 4 жыл бұрын
Another example of a Wehrmacht Samaritan would be Anton Schmied posted in Lithuania
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheFront The SS runs a bunch of really hated auxiliary units in the occupied areas. They keep scrounging up locals with matching ideology, anticommunist fervor or just a desire to loot the local jews and put them up as third-line police units. You can be a heer soldier just doing your job, but your job means covering for these guys. These dudes can do what they do because they know heer units will back them up as they do it. These guys didn't have the manpower and firepower to make antipartisan sweeps themselves. Sometimes it seems like it simply depends on which officer you get. The ostfront becomes a sort of military anarchy where you can be an utter twat without repercussion.
@mathiaspoelman1493
@mathiaspoelman1493 3 жыл бұрын
I am really interested in the French Malgré-Nous or the "willens nillens" from East Belgium. All from German ancestry, as they were mostly born right after their areas had been taken from Germany after WW1. I know about one "willens nillens" who was born in 1900, a very nationalistic period, so he really wanted East Belgium to be annexed by Germany again and let his children join the Hitler Youth in the 30s. In 1940, his dream came true when the Germans invaded Belgium but after a few years, he himself was drafted to the front despite being too old to fight. He lost both his legs from a landmine. In the 50s, the King of Belgium visited a Veteran's organization of former East Belgian Wehrmacht soldiers as an act of reconciliation, and shook hands with the man who lost his legs. Great story about Mathias Schenk. Thanks for sharing it!
@FirstnameLastname-qe3ry
@FirstnameLastname-qe3ry 4 жыл бұрын
these where all soilders who faught for their home, Nazi or not. this was their job, they did it, half of these soidlers are not Nazis or represent or support Nazis. just like my grandparents in the red army, they hated stalin and communism, but they fought for their land, their motherland, their family, not for stalin not for communism.
@dossiebigham2280
@dossiebigham2280 4 жыл бұрын
Владислав Брежлавичz h That and I'm pretty sure if they refused to fight. Much like in Germany as in the USSR They would have been shot or "Disappeared" so yeah both leaders and systems where horrible.
@mohamedsewilam4134
@mohamedsewilam4134 4 жыл бұрын
Someone give that man a medal
@aumann0452
@aumann0452 4 жыл бұрын
Saying that only half of the Wehrmacht where Nazis is grossly understated. The NSDAP had the political majority before 1933. After that there was Nazi propaganda in every media so even more people became Nazis. Political activists where shot or emprisoned so now non-nazis where even rarer. And those who weren't Nazis didn't see a point a fighting for Hitler so they didn't join the army. Only later in the war, when the situation became more critical, more and more people were drafted so saying that 50% of the Wehrmacht were Nazis is absolutely disgusting
@tassel4713
@tassel4713 4 жыл бұрын
They never called nazis.
@hanfpeter2822
@hanfpeter2822 4 жыл бұрын
@@aumann0452 a few things that i think you are incorrect about: 1. You didnt really have a choice in joining the army as a male. You were drafted, if you wanted or not. 2. The NSDAP in the 1933 election only had somewhere around 35% percent of all votes. Thats not the majority. 3. Many people had to fight or Joined the NSDAP because they had to. Progress in Job, social Prestige and the access to certain items was only possible when At least acting like you Support the Nazis. Its a similar principle with many people and Religion nowadays. A great amount on Paper is a member of a religious community, but many dont believe in god and dont actually do anything for their community.
@Newdivide
@Newdivide 4 жыл бұрын
when Germany entered Lithuania, a Lithuanian soldier who collaborated with the nazis found a Jewish mother and was prepared to shoot her for the "crime" of being Jewish. At the last minute, a german officer stops him. When asked why he step in, he said, "one day history will judge us". It was not known who the officer was till this day. The woman and her children survive the war
@adamk1711
@adamk1711 4 жыл бұрын
That's a excerpt from Horrible Histories right?
@marquisdelafayette1929
@marquisdelafayette1929 4 жыл бұрын
My FIL and MIL were from Lithuania and Ukraine respectively. My FIL was born in 1946 in Lithuania and my MIL in 1950 in Odessa, Ukraine. They don’t really talk about it but I know they fled or “defected” right after my ex was born in 78. The family that didn’t come to the US emigrated to Israel. He was like an aircraft engineer but it didn’t transfer so he had to basically start all over but growing up in that time couldn’t have been easy. I know her mom (my daughters great grandmother) lived through the holdomor where millions were starved by the Soviets THEN as if things couldn’t get worse the Germans invaded. They didn’t have love for the Germans but certainly hated the Soviets more.
@lxi9648
@lxi9648 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like anti German propaganda to me
@Newdivide
@Newdivide 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamk1711 yes sir ree woeful world war 2
@kilachiki538
@kilachiki538 4 жыл бұрын
@@davids.654 sounds like the soviets
@ezragamer9696
@ezragamer9696 4 жыл бұрын
There are intelligent people, and there are people who think that every german soldier was a war criminal, and deserved the death sentence after the war.
@spqr1945
@spqr1945 4 жыл бұрын
Not all of them, but so many. There were some exceptions, but most german soldiers followed criminal orders and commited many war crimes whithout any order. Most of them didn't even try to protest.
@phuct4980
@phuct4980 4 жыл бұрын
spqr1945 ya think they can protest and put their whole families on the risk of getting kill for anti government thoughts. Operation Valkyrie is the prime example of a army coup that didn't went well.
@mirage_panzer2274
@mirage_panzer2274 4 жыл бұрын
I like how some people in the comment sections just "well if they dont agree with the Nazi, why dont they protest??? if only its that easy... if only..."
@zexal4217
@zexal4217 4 жыл бұрын
@@mirage_panzer2274 They had more choices than just willingly committing warcrimes...
@josemiguelcaballerorestrep2101
@josemiguelcaballerorestrep2101 4 жыл бұрын
Zexal42, like what? The only ones who could realistically opt out would be old high ranking officers that retired during the war.
@j.peters1222
@j.peters1222 4 жыл бұрын
The Wehrmacht on the Western front were different than the ones on the Eastern front. The Eastern front was a barbaric slug fest of attrition and war crimes committed by both the Soviet military and the German Wehrmacht. Not to mention, the actual Nazis basically told their military that the Slavs are not human therefor slaughtering them isn't considered as significant as say an Anglos. All that eugenics superiority bullshit is weird but it's how they operated. The Nazis also weren't very cozy with the Italian Fascists for the same reason. They viewed Mediterranean Europeans as better than Slavs but not by much. Many Italian soldiers were not big fans of some of the Nazis because of these views (They often weren't afraid to voice how inferior they thought the Italians were genitically). Your average Wehrmacht soldier likely wasn't a blindly devout follower of Nazi ideologies though.
@bruhstasa6784
@bruhstasa6784 4 жыл бұрын
Well i mean croatia sent an legion witch when going to ukraine were befrending the people there also the apparently soviet forces rather surrendered to croats... I guess they knew about what the wermacht did to prisoners
@TOO_TALL305
@TOO_TALL305 4 жыл бұрын
The French people, Italians, Belgians, Norwegians, And Dutch would like a word with you
@beninwarrior4579
@beninwarrior4579 4 жыл бұрын
War crimes were still committed in the west, just on a smaller scale.
@TOO_TALL305
@TOO_TALL305 4 жыл бұрын
Commissar order, Barbarossa Decree, Nacht und nebel decree, Ciepielów massacre, Vinkt massacre, Should i keep referencing
@j.peters1222
@j.peters1222 4 жыл бұрын
@@beninwarrior4579 Of course they still happened. The Melmedy massacre is the one that I immediately think of. It's pretty obvious though that the Germans on the Western Front generally committed far less atrocities than the Germans on the Eastern Front. Especially when you listen to testimonies (the best of which in my opinion came from the soldiers that fought in both the East and West) from the people that were there. There is a reason German soldiers were threatened by their superiors to be sent to the Eastern Front in order to ensure compliance.
@JohnDoe-jq4re
@JohnDoe-jq4re 4 жыл бұрын
Criticizing the Wehrmacht for being generally terrible is different than saying every solider in the heer was evil
@jaggerfoxland8103l
@jaggerfoxland8103l 3 жыл бұрын
Heer is just a German word for army
@togglefire3537
@togglefire3537 4 жыл бұрын
I'm personally about a third German when it comes to my Heritage and you don't know how many times I will tell people that and they automatically will jokingly and or purposefully call me at Nazi. Im absolutely flabbergasted how many people think that just because you were a German that you were a Nazi. My family came to this country before World War 1. Thank you for making a very extensive and detailed video explaining the differences between these two. It made me smile when you said that not all Germans even those in the army during that time were Nazis.
@faros6090
@faros6090 4 жыл бұрын
I feel this. I told people I'm half German and some people said the same thing. My great great some thing grand father's fought in World War 2 on the American side against Germany. When they were German.
@edizy6547
@edizy6547 4 жыл бұрын
I am half German , My great grandfather fought in the Wehrmacht and died in Normandy. But he was no nazi , he fought for his country not for some madman but i still get called nazi sometimes
@redpanda6398
@redpanda6398 4 жыл бұрын
Well if you know its a joke laugh at it, if its not funny then don't. If they're seriously accusing you, you shouldn't mind at all cause you're not one. Don't get your panties in a twist, darlin, as long as you're not one you shouldn't pay it so much sensitive attention
@NemoNobody2092
@NemoNobody2092 4 жыл бұрын
You're not German, Amerimutt.
@speedster2464
@speedster2464 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but it wasn't just the Nazis that committed vile acts against humans, other Germans, and those serving their cause also willingly participated.
@stephenbrand5661
@stephenbrand5661 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody has ever said that "every German during WW2 was a die hard Nazi." Whitewashing the crimes of the Wehrmacht was official government policy in the United States once the Cold War got started so I think this video must have been made by somebody who wasn't even born yet when the Berlin Wall fell.
@JosiahJS976
@JosiahJS976 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@milliondollarmistake
@milliondollarmistake 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people who don't do any in-depth research believe that WW2 was as simple as "German soldiers = jew hating nazis".
@dardick1213
@dardick1213 3 жыл бұрын
@@milliondollarmistake this but unironically.
@milliondollarmistake
@milliondollarmistake 3 жыл бұрын
@@dardick1213 what?
@dardick1213
@dardick1213 3 жыл бұрын
@@milliondollarmistake all germans were complicit.
@unofficial_computer
@unofficial_computer 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno dude, try taking that up with the Polish, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Hungarians, Romanians, Norwegians, French, Finnish, Jews, Communists, LGBT peeps, Catholics, Freemasons, Belgians, Dutch and Americans?
@wizzoelmano5724
@wizzoelmano5724 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the Danes.
@unofficial_computer
@unofficial_computer 2 жыл бұрын
@@wizzoelmano5724 Yep, very very true.
@gordonsylvester8457
@gordonsylvester8457 3 жыл бұрын
My grandpa was a Wehrmacht soldier, when I remember correctly he was a "Leutnant"or "Oberleutnant". I remember one time, it was summer and my grandma told me I have to go to the bar (Kneipe) and get my grandpa home.On the way to the bar I hear men singing,I went inside, standing near the door and tried to find my grandpa.he have seen me brought me to a table and said to a very old man "Herr Hauptmann, dat is menge Jong" (Captain, this is my boy). I was 8 or 9 ,very thin, very small and he touched my shoulder and says: "Junge,du musst Stärker werden“ This evening was a meeting from old soldiers,I remember the smell from cigars, beer, Jägermeister and cologne water. Lots of them had missing arms, hands,legs or fingers.A few of them looked broken and like alcoholic.
@user-vp8mu5fj7o
@user-vp8mu5fj7o 2 жыл бұрын
Boy, you gotta get stronger! Haha, I like that.
@travisreed1730
@travisreed1730 4 жыл бұрын
I remember watching a series of interviews in the bonus features of "Call Of Duty 3," and I remember an interview with this Canadian WW2 vet, and told the interviewers, that the Wermacht were frightened of the SS.
@twitchydom8689
@twitchydom8689 4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a Canadian vet and he said the same thing. He had a lot of respect for the Wehrmacht. He said they were the same as our soldiers; they followed orders
@americaninternationalist1917
@americaninternationalist1917 3 жыл бұрын
ah yes, call of duty, a reliable source
@endutubecensorship
@endutubecensorship 3 жыл бұрын
@@americaninternationalist1917 it was an interview of a veteran, not sure why where is was viewed makes a difference.
@leichtmeister
@leichtmeister 3 жыл бұрын
And finally, the discussion reaches the topic of propaganda and psychology.
@americaninternationalist1917
@americaninternationalist1917 Жыл бұрын
@Dystopic aura oh you you mean the WW2 cod 3 and not the MW3. Ok I agree then.
@inferno7381
@inferno7381 4 жыл бұрын
I just finished reading a book about the SS. For what it seems, Wehrmacht its just so guilty for the atrocities as the SS, but at the end of the war, the allies needed experient non-nazi military officers and forces to rebuild the post war Germany, and it was easier to use Wehrmacht for the purpose, as they were not nsdap affiliated. For the public opinion in general that was better acepted, so they ended up protecting the Wehrmacht image and using SS as the full guilt carrier because they were a political force beside being a military force. A lot can be said about this tho
@smanchgibley3839
@smanchgibley3839 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes the Wehrmacht was very bad and you acknowledge this unlike everyone else in this terrible comment section perpeuating lies!
@Normalguy1690
@Normalguy1690 3 жыл бұрын
@Fabian Kirchgessner Josef Dietrich, Paul houser and willhelm bittrich. Also the Wehrmacht knew what it was doing why try and deny this?
@Pectopah123
@Pectopah123 2 жыл бұрын
I just finished best seller: Mein Kampf and for what it seems that Nazis were good Samaritans... Is written text always the truth? Just wondering...
@inferno7381
@inferno7381 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pectopah123 I said the regular army was so brutal and criminal as the SS, which part is difficult for you to understand? If you want to be funny, apply your jokes in a context dude. Plus I like to believe in people that take years sitting on a desk investigating historical records to provide a good piece of history documented. If you don't believe anything how do you achieve knowledge and wisdom? It's not like I have read it on Reddit, maybe that's your source lol
@osamabagdadi5789
@osamabagdadi5789 2 жыл бұрын
@@inferno7381 what’s your source?
@ralphjosephacobo8014
@ralphjosephacobo8014 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, I don't even speak German but your pronunciation sounds really on point
@JackAkaJCK
@JackAkaJCK 3 жыл бұрын
Well I speak German and yes it's amazing for someone who learned it as a second language
@Historylord15
@Historylord15 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he is very good
@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078
@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078 2 жыл бұрын
His accent is audible, but all in all his pronunciation is very good, yes.
@trycoldman2358
@trycoldman2358 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I work in a nursing home and got a resident who was a Panther Tank driver in the Hermann Göring Division from late 43-45. Joined up to the tankers, cause of those "shiny black uniforms for the ladies" . He always tells me his story how he managed to keep his engine from ever breaking down, how shook Görings hand, drove the Panther on the Autobahn with over 60 Kmh or how an American paratrooper landed 100 meters from him during Operation Market Garden, while repairing tanks. He is no bad person for fighting on a certain side, he just did what everyone did.
@wernerheisenberg71
@wernerheisenberg71 4 жыл бұрын
There is no difference between an US Soldier or Wehrmacht Soldier. Just 2 men fullfilling their duty. You have a twisted Mund if you compare that to a Gangster... Most US Soldiers respected their German counterparts and how they were formidable fighters and soldiers
@fuhrersavior9575
@fuhrersavior9575 4 жыл бұрын
What country is this nursing home where you work?
@fuhrersavior9575
@fuhrersavior9575 4 жыл бұрын
@@davids.654 american police?
@fuhrersavior9575
@fuhrersavior9575 4 жыл бұрын
@@wernerheisenberg71 There is a huge difference. Unless the american soldier you are talking about are american indians. Germans are Europeans. White americans are not in the homelands that gave them life. They are so brainwashed from that spiritual and tribal aspect, they are nothing more than seething hordes of zombies who would devour their own sons when their pay masters tell them to. I see this everyday. And now, from what I'm hearing from modern day Europeans...what's going on in today's americanized Europe?
@daboi7567
@daboi7567 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm Sounds like something a wermacht soldier would say
@chrishernandez2490
@chrishernandez2490 2 жыл бұрын
>.>
@thebateman761
@thebateman761 2 жыл бұрын
Australian Wehrmacht soilder?
@fisklars3579
@fisklars3579 3 жыл бұрын
09:37 explains the german perspective so good. This can be translated for all wars and politics world wide, and is timeless.
@ronryan7398
@ronryan7398 4 жыл бұрын
The Wehrmacht's involvement in war crimes is all too real, and depressing. There were heroic individuals who refused to participate, most didn't refuse.
@jorenbosmans8065
@jorenbosmans8065 3 жыл бұрын
When my grandfather lost his leg in a train accident during the war, Wehrmacht soldiers (I assume it wasn't SS) took him to the field hospital to take care of him. When the family asked how they would have to repay the doctor, he just asked for some Nice flowers. So yeah, there were some good People in the Wehrmacht indeed.
@thing8357
@thing8357 3 жыл бұрын
You can always get good people in an evil system no matter the side. My friends grandfather was a wehrmact soldier on the eastern front and he said how he was shot and got abandoned by his platoon. Soviet soldiers found him and took him to a medbay where he was treated and was of course arrested to become a pow. However a soviet officer let him go at night and said in german "go, I hope we meet again some day my friend". He doesn't know what happened to that officer but he always said he hoped he made it. He died somewhat recently but he went through a lot at lenningrad and the eastern front almost dying twice and lived a good life afterwards. Sadly ww2 veterans are constantly dying and soon there will be no more.
@jorenbosmans8065
@jorenbosmans8065 3 жыл бұрын
@@thing8357 this is why it is important to gather their stories. I regret not asking for more stories from my grandparents.
@flyer3154
@flyer3154 3 жыл бұрын
They were like everyone else. Only humans
@tiernanwearen8096
@tiernanwearen8096 3 жыл бұрын
@@jorenbosmans8065 what nationality was your grandfather?
@jorenbosmans8065
@jorenbosmans8065 3 жыл бұрын
@@tiernanwearen8096 he was Belgian. So yeah it was in occupied territory and a lot of bad things happened here and to his family too. Appearantly his Godfather was taken away and shot nu German soldiers. So good and bad people
@wlemonte
@wlemonte 4 жыл бұрын
German historians, highly regarded, say that a great many Heer troops knew of, turned a blind eye to, or actively participated in nazi atrocities. Yes, there is a difference between the waffen ss and its adjuncts, but much of the German army was complicit in many of the atrocities, either wilfully or by omission of action. There were notable acts of resistance and disobedience which should be lionized, but they were sadly few and far between.
@Abensberg
@Abensberg 4 жыл бұрын
german historians also like to hate their own heritage ;-) like most of germans in spotlight... we are in a "nazi paranoia" and thats even worse than anywhere else
@zexal4217
@zexal4217 4 жыл бұрын
@@Abensberg What kind of proof is that? These people searched through the archives and found evidence of this... You meanwhile dismiss it as some paranoia? Pathetic...
@carlosmedina1281
@carlosmedina1281 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, scholar Omar Bartov has done excellent research in showing that the Wehrmacht was not apolitical and several journals from German soldiers highlight their anti-Semitism or contempt for Slavs.
@seanshultze220
@seanshultze220 4 жыл бұрын
@@zexal4217 unfortunately,you know how the word "nazi" was you use in the west?
@zexal4217
@zexal4217 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanshultze220 What?
@amirbiscevic8944
@amirbiscevic8944 3 жыл бұрын
My grandma was a little girl during the World War II in Yugoslavia unforgettable hunger raged in the region her and her siblings were able to survive things to German soldiers giving them their food rations!
@hafmaint7557
@hafmaint7557 3 жыл бұрын
My father landed in Normandy on D + 3 and always said the Wehrmacht were just ordinary soldiers most never caused trouble when captured, but he despised the SS who wouldn't be leave they were losing the war and always said he was one of the luck men to come home
@josephwinmill3365
@josephwinmill3365 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I am reading the comments debating about war crimes committed by the various militaries, I don't take any revisionist seriously, whether they be a Neo Nazi revisionist or a Communist USSR obsessed revisionist. They ruin discourse.
@hiddenwoodsben
@hiddenwoodsben 3 жыл бұрын
well, true. my mother's father was an engineer, pressed into service and later seeing combat in the battle of the buldge, where he deserted after fighting side by side with ss-troops, never disclosing to us what exactly he saw there. he was a good man, i loved him dearly and still do. my father's father was waffen-ss and as evil as they come. my father, luckily, didn't know the full extent of his father's deeds, but we researched a few years ago and haven't been to his grave ever since and don't plan to visit there again. both happend. don't generalize.
@user-zo1pd7ld8u
@user-zo1pd7ld8u 4 жыл бұрын
Only the defeated are punished for their war crimes not the victors
@maxgrozema1093
@maxgrozema1093 4 жыл бұрын
Bullshit
@johnsaathoff7732
@johnsaathoff7732 4 жыл бұрын
Not true. The victors punish their own as well.
@acolytesun
@acolytesun 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnsaathoff7732 If that's true then why isn't the US held accountable for the burning of Dresden.
@simosmaximos3642
@simosmaximos3642 4 жыл бұрын
Stalin for his gulag ? Of the 6th Army ( surrender in Stalingrad with 300.000 soldiers ? ) Out of all this man only 6000 came back home
@opairsoft8100
@opairsoft8100 4 жыл бұрын
Acolyte of the Sun ....that wasn’t a war crime...
@TSmith-yy3cc
@TSmith-yy3cc 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! You covered a lot of interesting information in a quite short video (as usual). Thanks for your work.
@Jim-Stick
@Jim-Stick 4 жыл бұрын
Been binging your videos. I really appreciate your perspective and information.
@rockbay79
@rockbay79 4 жыл бұрын
I've read and watched many documentaries on WWII. This is a good example of truthful documentation. Good Job!
@TheBrat99
@TheBrat99 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I come from a German upbringing and this is something that my father had preached to me for years as a teenager. I guess that had more to do with what I asked my parents, given what I was taught in history class that day, etc. Growing up my father and I used to watch the various WWII historical shows on tv and he used to stress that what was depicted in some episodes was a half-truth, etc. Or as he put it the victor's version. Not "all" were the devils that history makes them out to be. (Father was conscripted into the Gebirgsjaeger as a young teenager.) As luck would have it my father didn't see action, thank goodness. Much of what is said from the german soldier, Hugo Sharnowsky's thoughts and feelings, is in line with what my father used to say as well.
@MKJNS7086
@MKJNS7086 3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel. It's excellent, and thank you for getting real history out there.
@Raven-ne9cg
@Raven-ne9cg 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the novel Allegiance and Choices of One. For those Star Wars fans, I feel like Timothy Zahn tried to show this with the Hand of Judgment
@adrianrosenlund-hudson8789
@adrianrosenlund-hudson8789 4 жыл бұрын
Finally. Someone who actually knows what Wehrmacht means. There's still people using the word when talking solely of the Heer.
@ammarzuhair1233
@ammarzuhair1233 3 жыл бұрын
When talking about war crimes in WW2, I dare to say that every nation's army did it. For some reason, the victors get to foreshadow their war crimes because the victors are "War Heroes".
@maxoconnor5087
@maxoconnor5087 2 жыл бұрын
As a Russian, this is true
@user-co3uc8vt7e
@user-co3uc8vt7e Жыл бұрын
Yet there's also question of scale. If you take a random soldier of anti-Hitler coalition, the chance that he hasn't committed any war crimes is very high. If you take one on the Axis' side, though...
@philiprufus4427
@philiprufus4427 Жыл бұрын
Some Asian Armies have been doing it with regularity, in my lifetime of sixty odd years.
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 4 жыл бұрын
My Great uncle was demoted and sent Into the strafbatallion for not Shooting a child Speaking of no Punishment
@flynntom8057
@flynntom8057 4 жыл бұрын
What were the circumstances?
@kulliperse1007
@kulliperse1007 4 жыл бұрын
Fucking disgusting order to give. A child cannot be evil, therefore he or she can always be made the best version of themselves. I would have done the same but was he in SS or? Being honest if I had born in those times and been a young man in the 40s I would have probably joined the Waffen-SS Division Wiking, Returned to Finland to keep fighting for my country. Had I been given an order like that I would have refused to obey the order aswell. Your great uncle was/is a good man. I lost two of mine in the continuation war (my own grandpa was only 10 at the time of the war, he lost two brothers).
@MistahKurtzASMR
@MistahKurtzASMR 3 жыл бұрын
Wehrmacht in 1939 was involved in most atrocities in Poland killing tens of thousand civilians, killing POWs, elites, Luftvaffe was strafing civilians and bombed hospitals. That includes the „oposition” like Stauffenberg.
@ericgu9036
@ericgu9036 3 жыл бұрын
Hm never knew about the luftwaffe. I never thought those pilots never shot at civilians.
@monkas1833
@monkas1833 4 жыл бұрын
7:40 That‘s one of the Generals of HoI4, when you recruit one with PP
@despacito_boi4484
@despacito_boi4484 3 жыл бұрын
I think you mean fuhrer_mana
@romullbog
@romullbog 3 жыл бұрын
Helping a crime to happen is not a crime? Worst crime in the entire history of the world.
@lxkkxs
@lxkkxs 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to Thank you guys for Making this Video its great!
@sif_2799
@sif_2799 4 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather was in the Wehrmacht (in the music corps in Russia) and he was a very kindhearted man. He barely made it back. And couldn't return home to the Sudetenland since the Germans there were driven away.
@fishoil1928
@fishoil1928 3 жыл бұрын
The exact same thing with mine. Maybe they were even in the same unit? We may never know but blessed be their souls.
@tomfrazier1103
@tomfrazier1103 3 жыл бұрын
The Germans pretty much all knew bad stuff was going on. The Prussian military had traditionally treated civilians harshly, put on world display in the 1871 war with France. British propaganda went to town with this in 1914 with the Belgian invasion.
@samg.5165
@samg.5165 4 жыл бұрын
I don't dispute the facts you brought up, but I'm not sure about your conclusions. Obviously, there were some righteous or even heroic members of the Wehrmacht, as well as young men pressed into service who otherwise wanted no part in atrocities. But the fact remains that the vast majority of officers (and soldiers) had no objections to the extermination of Jews, Romani and Slavs on the Eastern Front, and carried out their orders without question and without regret. The few mutinies and attempted coups there were occurred in the closing years of the war, and generally stemmed from military or political disputes rather than ethical ones. If anything, the Wehrmacht is too often absolved of its crimes. A few "good" members don't erase the organization's explicitly genocidal goals. However, one interesting case that wasn't mentioned in the video is that of Johannes Blaskowitz, a Wermacht general who demanded that Hitler punish the genocidal actions of SS members in Poland, and was subsequently relieved of all duties. He was given back his command in 1944 and continued the war without objections. When Blaskowitz was put on trial for war crimes in Nuremberg, the case against him was weak, and his lawyers told him he would likely be acquitted. Shortly after, the general committed suicide by throwing himself off a balcony. Some say he was assassinated by the SS, who feared he might implicate them in his testimony, but it's also possible he felt genuine guilt and shame for his actions.
@smanchgibley3839
@smanchgibley3839 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for acknowledging the terrible faults of this video and being educated unlike most everyone else in the comment section here
@thesecondwolf1
@thesecondwolf1 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting to word my reaction to the video. Its an uncomfortable thought that a people's army could so intimately and actively participate in a criminal war. But its also why we should try to study and understand its true history.
@thing8357
@thing8357 3 жыл бұрын
He says in a comment reply that he isn't denying the atrocities. But he made the video to show a grey area people leave out. I'll say who he reply to let me find his name its one of the top comments. Benjamin Awrey is the name he has the red Canadian leaf as his pfp.
@ianmack5203
@ianmack5203 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@mosquitomilitaria8147
@mosquitomilitaria8147 4 жыл бұрын
The Baltic state SS units, like the Latvian legion, were volunteer only and were used to fight the Russians. The Baltic SS were seen as liberators by the Baltic people because the Russians treated them awfully.
@simplicius11
@simplicius11 3 жыл бұрын
The 'real heroes' Operation Winterzauber (Operation "Winter magic") was an anti-partisan operation from 15 February to 30 March 1943 aimed at creating a depopulated zone of 30 to 40 km along the Belarusian-Latvian border. It was mainly conducted by the Latvian collaborators under German command in the period in the triangle of Sebezh-Osveya-Polotsk in Northern Belarus (Drissa, Osveya, Polotsk, Rasony districts) and in Sebezhsky District of Pskov region in Russia "From 16-18 February 1943, the Nazis destroyed the village of Rositsa. Younger and stronger people were sent to the station of Bigosovo, where they were loaded into wagons and taken to the concentration camp of Salaspils and work in Latvia and Germany. The remaining people were burned in houses, a large group of people was driven into a barn that was then set on fire. Among those killed were Roman Catholic priests Jury Kashyra and Antoni Leszczewicz: one was burned with other residents, the other was shot for persistent requests to save the children (according to other sources also burned). In 1999, Pope John Paul II declared the murdered priests blessed. Several hundred villages were destroyed. In one Osveya area, *183 villages were burned down, 11,383 people were killed,* and over 7500 residents were deported - adults to work in Germany, children in the Salaspils concentration camp.
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 2 жыл бұрын
GeneralPlan Ost go brrrrrr.
@jack_batterson
@jack_batterson 3 жыл бұрын
Good job at giving a brief overview of a complex topic.
@ngthomas3456
@ngthomas3456 4 жыл бұрын
"If one is to understand the great mystery,one must study all of it's aspects,not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi." Sheev Palpatine,from "Revenge of the Sith" Great mystery=Were every German in ww2 were diehard Nazi? Aspects=The entire history of Germany Jedi=Those foolish historians who only studies half of it
@stephenvargas5806
@stephenvargas5806 4 жыл бұрын
Ironic... you are quoting a dictator that built a planet destroying super laser twice and killed billions. The empire is a direct allegory if the Nazis. The funny thing is George Lucas makes no room for interpretation, the Sith and the Galactic Empire are considered evil without question in the original narrative of Star Wars, regardless of how stupid and stagnant the Jedi were portrayed in the Prequels they were clearly considered the good guys, as was Luke Skywalker.
@Lex-dw7ng
@Lex-dw7ng 4 жыл бұрын
appropriate you would use a quote from the head of the space Nazis in your attempt to rehabilitate the Nazis.
@fuhrersavior9575
@fuhrersavior9575 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenvargas5806 We know who and what George Lucas was and was about, so naturally his views are going to be....
@stephenvargas5806
@stephenvargas5806 4 жыл бұрын
や哟亚よ oh they weren’t? Then please tell me what they did in Canon. No EU. That was worse than what Palpatine and the empire did? It’s called light and Darkside for a reason my friend. It’s stated in the original Star Wars right out of the Gate. The Jedi were the guardians of peace and Justice. Luke Skywalker is the protagonist, he wants to be a Jedi. At the end of the story he triumphs and revives the Jedi. Story ends good guys win. This interpretation of the Jedi bring as bad as the Sith is modern day fans deconstructing a story about black and white. The original Star Wars is a fairytale , young boy goes on an adventure to become a knight and defeat the Evil Empire everything else is fans and the EU altering the story to suit their own views.
@lick28
@lick28 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenvargas5806 yeah, they also destroyed a multi trillion dollars worth of tax payers' money infrastructure, weapon or not. They're called rebels for a reason. You think the Empite would just destroy a planet for no reason? I don't care how good you think the Jedi are or how the author makes them look, they're rebels that indirectly caused genocides. I'm not saying the Empire is good, I'm saying the rebels are bad.
@folgore1
@folgore1 3 жыл бұрын
A good book on Reserve Police Battalion 101 is: "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" by historian Christopher Browning. The people in this unit were mostly older men, those not suitable for the Wehrmacht or the Waffen SS. They were also working class and Browning speculated that most would've been supporters of the Social Democrat Party rather than the Nazi Party during the Weimar Republic period. In the first massacre they participated in, the commander did gather his men and gave them the option not to participate in the massacre. One lieutenant stepped forward, a fellow by the name of Heinz Buchmann, openly stated his opposition to this operation and said that he wouldn't participate unless ordered by his commander to do so. Something like 20 other men also objected and they were all given the duty to guard those Jews who were to be sent to a labor camp. Sadly, most of the unit willingly participated in the atrocities even though they had been clearly given the option to not participate in war crimes.
@exe5936
@exe5936 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly amazing video good job you are an amazing history teacher
@wattiespotatoes6401
@wattiespotatoes6401 4 жыл бұрын
*that is a damn true man...* And the sad thing is my great-great-uncle did when he was in charge of the Brits at Caen unexpectedly two tigers came around a corner. So we and a few of his men went around he shot a piat into a driving train of a Tiger 1 but then the Tiger Tank burst into flames and he jumped on top of the tank and tried to save the lives of the crew inside but the tank blew up killing everybody in or on top of the tank :( I was really surprised hearing of an account like this because he went out of cover under fire to help save the enemy?! Anyway some crazy stuff like this happens (rarely) as in the video u were talking about how harshly they were treated... *nobody is probably gonna see this any way but yeah this is just a little bit of show and tell which I wanted to give a little bit of knowledge about... So I hope you enjoyed reading this reader :) and have a nice day (or sleep)*
@itsyaboiwan6416
@itsyaboiwan6416 3 жыл бұрын
Suprised no one commented here
@gyurza__
@gyurza__ 4 жыл бұрын
Half of the waffen ss divisions were actually comprised of foreign volunteers and some have very cool/intresting stories including a belarusian unit that fought in France and killed their NCOs to join the French resistance.
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of those guys start as police troops or third-line security units. A lot are ideological volunteers who genuinely wanted to fight judeocommunism on the ostfront. There is a bunch of folks who are pretty much slave labour units, I think a bunch of them was in France building the atlantic wall.
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 3 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin Who wouldnt genuinly want to fight Commies?
@davidmarsden9800
@davidmarsden9800 4 жыл бұрын
SS Hauptsturmfuhrer is an SS rank roughly equivalent to Captain not a party rank as the text in the video reads.
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of dictatorships run parallell state security organs. You want to have the army, and the second army in case you want to put down a palace coup from the army, or three intelligence agencies with a side duty to watch eachother. It keeps popping up everywhere from the soviet union to saudi arabia.
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
@Himalayan Duck More like a separation of power. It's not about destroying the state. But if one part of the state should start a palace coup, there should be other parts of the state ready to step in and take over, or contain it to that rebellious agency. Like if my uncle the general starts a coup, his personal influence over stuff should be limited.
@Normalguy1690
@Normalguy1690 3 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin look at Iraq it had the Iraqi army then the republican guard. Also isn’t it well known that like 2 Iraqi intelligence services spied on each other.
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
@@Normalguy1690 It's spread among a bunch of dictatorships. Part of the army's job is to prevent palace coups while also being the big source of palace coups.
@Normalguy1690
@Normalguy1690 3 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin yea man same way CIA NSA and FBI all stand on each other’s toes in the US
@blski
@blski 4 жыл бұрын
My parents who through the war and German occupation of Poland welcomed Soviets, whom in the prewar times every pole hated dearly) as saviors and liberators. Quoting my mother words "I am sure there are good Germans, I just was not lucky to meet one". Being born at the end of the war I grew in devastated city, was given name after cousin who was tortured to death by Germans. My grandad was murdered with personnel and patients of the hospital, one of the uncles was shot and crippled for life. My mothers lifelong friend was disfigured by torture to the point that she couldn't work as a physician and became pharmacist (not to scare people by her looks and posture). I can understand that Germans in the present day have difficulty reconcile their history and this video is part of it.
@saulchristie6725
@saulchristie6725 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@csbanki
@csbanki 2 жыл бұрын
It's important to keep in mind that these people were living in a time we can't even imagine today.
@jadengarcia5086
@jadengarcia5086 4 жыл бұрын
5:30 most Germanic name I have ever heard or seen
@nghtm-yk2tj
@nghtm-yk2tj 4 жыл бұрын
finally a correctly video! good job! btw as a german i can say that ur pronunciation is very good
@johnkilcer
@johnkilcer 3 жыл бұрын
Good episode.
@PureHayabusa
@PureHayabusa 4 жыл бұрын
It was said that Nazi fanatics were only few. The Wehrmacht were fighting to redeem themselves from the Treaty of Versailles, not because of political ideology
@MainstreamPoPsucks3
@MainstreamPoPsucks3 3 жыл бұрын
They were fighting for nazism and Hitlers imperial ambition.
@ninetenduh
@ninetenduh 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video, I feel it gives the scene in Band of Brothers more and more credibility, Soldiers are soldiers, the great majority isn't a Soldier because of some ideology or politics, they are because of patriotism, to defend their country from the enemy. Many Soldiers thought being a soldier is all shiny and heroic, as far as I know, so did my grandfather, there was family tradition involved as well, but my Grandfather according to my grandmother changed, he Saw Stalingrad up close with his own eyes, he experienced the utterly senseless massacre that was Stalingrad, he didn't see the fragmentation grenade fast enough. He became a chauffeur afterwards for generals of the Wehrmacht, but he never smiled again. In the end, everyone committed War crimes and atrocities in the thousands, be it Axis or Allies, but there are the exception, and history chose to ignore the wrong ones.
@diegode415
@diegode415 2 жыл бұрын
"Everyone committed war crimes" Denmark and Luxembourg: BRUH
@broed731
@broed731 4 жыл бұрын
Whether its the Germans, Soviet, Japanese, Americans, etc all of these people are humans and no different from one another except their surroundings and leadership. When you give boys guns they could do great things, or terrible things based upon who holds them responsible. If you encourage young men with relative power that they can do whatever they want, then you will see a disgusting side of humanity. War crimes make me more scared of what we are capable of doing to each other when there are no repercussions rather than how disgusting the people of that specific nation are. German and Japanese Leadership promoted these kinds of things but I think any army from any nation is capable of these atrocities and that these people arent somehow naturally more evil than any other humans you find on Earth.
@cress5580
@cress5580 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking about this, as with many armies. Many soldiers wanted to volunteer to fight and later defend their homeland.
@josephwinmill3365
@josephwinmill3365 3 жыл бұрын
I've been studying this a lot recently. I have come to a few conclusions that could be wrong, and I am always willing to change my mind as I am presented with more information. It's a lot, but I hope you take your time to go through it. 1. The Wehrmacht was a key instrument in the Holocaust. While most German soldiers may not have directly pulled the trigger to murder a non-combatant, the main purpose the Wehrmacht filled in the Holocaust was the expansion of territories under German control where the Nazi racial policies would be carried out, usually by political organizations like the SS (assisted by local collaborators/auxiliaries). However, there were instances where German Army soldiers would take part in the mass murders as well. 2. The biggest atrocity committed by the Wehrmacht was not their actions against Jews nor partisans, but rather the treatment and starvation of over 3 million Soviet prisoners of war (however, I have heard of German soldiers and officers trying to help the Soviet POWs by trying to provide them with more food or protection from other Nazi organizations, but their actual ability to accomplish that was limited. I am not sure how extensively things like this happened, but I could imagine it wasn't the norm). 3. A huge number of atrocities carried out by German soldiers weren't necessarily motivated by political interests, but rather by sadism. War twists men, war twists good men, or at the very least desensitizes them. And that is only magnified when their leaders allow these men to do twisted things. A major cause of German war crimes was not necessarily Nazi ideology, but sadism magnified by a lack of accountability. We saw very similar things from American soldiers in Vietnam as they burned down villages and gunned down fleeing civilians to try to "combat" the Viet Cong. Were the majority of American soldiers who fought in Vietnam evil? No. Were the majority of German soldiers who fought in WWII evil? I feel the answer to both questions is no, however when you legalize criminal activity (Germany in WWII) or at least don't punish it (US in Vietnam), a lot of criminal activity is going to happen. 4. I think we would be surprised by the amount of people we know in our society and in our personal circles that would have gone along with the Nazis if they had been in that society. It is very easy to say we'd never follow Hitler or the Nazis in hindsight, however the Germans did not see him like the madman he was who was responsible for the murder of millions, but rather they viewed him as a hero who restored their poverty stricken country to a great country, like it once was. 5. It may be true that most of the individual German soldiers may not have been evil, however the Wehrmacht as an organization was not a good organization to say the least. And when we study history, it is okay to recognize that most individuals aren't evil, however we cannot let that distract us from the bigger picture that Nazi Germany was one of the most evil regimes in human history. And the Wehrmacht being the largest armed organization of Nazi Germany, we would be fools to believe that it was not used to further the agenda of the Nazi party. 6. Many good and many evil men damned their souls to hell by their actions in Eastern Europe between 1941-1945.
@JosiahJS976
@JosiahJS976 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@commonwealthrealm
@commonwealthrealm 3 жыл бұрын
Let's also remember that the Wehrmacht West of Berlin and East of Berlin during WW2 behaved a little differently. In particular, in German-occupied Poland and German-occupied portions of the Soviet Union, they committed Major War Crimes. Yes, there were honest german soldiers, but as a whole that the Wehrmacht along with the red army is considered the criminal armies. The Wehrmacht was much like the Red Army from 1939 an aggressor who committed war crimes as early as September 1939. In other words, the Wehrmacht deserves its reputation, it was an aggressive and militaristic army that waged war and with the help of Luftwaffe (which was a part of the Wehrmacht) committed war crimes by bombing civilians and civilian targets (big cities like Warsaw, Rotterdam and so on). The air raids on German cities were a response to this inhumane warfare from the Luftwaffe. Meanwhile, on the ground, the Wehrmacht took part in the expulsion of Poles beginning from 1939 and soon after the mass murder of the Polish elites. Then followed in other countries. The Wehrmacht was a criminal organization, but some soldiers within its rank did behave admirably, it is just that videos like these try to put the blame on the SS when the Wehrmacht participated often on their own in the deportation of Jews and murder of civilians in the name of the Nazi Regime.
@pridefulobserver3807
@pridefulobserver3807 2 жыл бұрын
so if its vengeance its ok, sure double standard
@niviera7807
@niviera7807 2 жыл бұрын
Did you just justified allied raids on German cities, and civillian casualties?
@paulwilkinson4073
@paulwilkinson4073 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos mate
@RDR12344
@RDR12344 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about the Myth of the clean Wehrmacht?
@sisyphusvasilias3943
@sisyphusvasilias3943 4 жыл бұрын
Example 3. The "rebels" were just saving their own skins. The war was over.
@zachariahwade8482
@zachariahwade8482 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@nrdy8221
@nrdy8221 4 жыл бұрын
ok buddy pal homeslice breadslice chum pal buddy-o friendy pal
@ThermicLight
@ThermicLight 4 жыл бұрын
Hey everyone we found the selfless internet martyr. It's a wonder that you're still alive to tell or point fingers oh brave warrior.
@redjaypictures4528
@redjaypictures4528 4 жыл бұрын
This is false, in my want to write a screenplay for a movie about castle itter, I have researched it extensively, and all historical reports prove that major Gangl and his men were actively collaborating with the local Austrian resistance long before the Americans had even reached austria
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
There is a bunch of SS units going around trying to motivate people to keep fighting, or to form anti-US partisan units. They don't get much done, most people start to figure out that the war isn't going that well towards the end years. Doesn't stop them from hanging a bunch of people and killing a few mayors first.
@ninaa4192
@ninaa4192 4 жыл бұрын
So, in summary, German soldiers were human too. Fantastic video, so important these things are talked about.
@unofficial_computer
@unofficial_computer 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno dude, try taking that up with the Polish, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Jews, Catholics, Freemasons, Communists, Belgians, Dutch, French, Romanians, Hungarians, Brits, Americans, and even a few Germans?
@flagassault9715
@flagassault9715 3 жыл бұрын
Whats the german veterans name that you mentioned at the end of the video?
@JamesC1945
@JamesC1945 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah no en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
@gogopedroe1873
@gogopedroe1873 4 жыл бұрын
They almost all knew the objective of the Reich: to conquer the lesser races in order to get the lebensraum the Aryans deserved. Most of the population liked to think of themselves as superior, and the wehrmacht enthusiastically pursued the Reich's objectives. Only after losing they started to rewrite and retell what they were mostly eager to do in the last 12 years.
@mamavswild
@mamavswild 3 жыл бұрын
This was the mission of the SS; the Wehrmacht fought for their nation- who else could they fight for if not the land of their birth. They generally associated the nazi org with bringing them out of the darkness of the Versailles treaty and for returning lands with ethnic Germans and German history back to them (Prussia, Alsace-Lorraine, Sudetenland). By the time everything else happened, they were caught up in the ‘Grande Machine Infernale’....is like to see what you would do under the same situation. It’s easy to judge from your bed.
@Seawiiplay
@Seawiiplay 3 жыл бұрын
@@mamavswild plenty of Axis nation citizens knew what was happening and left... Including most for their top scientists... You can't plead ignorance when the warcrimes and objective of the Reich was well known... Like Hitler didn't hide is ideology. If you fight for him you unconditionally support that ideology
@mamavswild
@mamavswild 3 жыл бұрын
@@Seawiiplay not so; most war crimes were known only after the fact. That’s how history works. Not just for this nation, but for them all, of which Germany was sadly far from the first and certainly far from the last.
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamavswild That's bullshit, the Wehrmacht participated in the war crimes and in a war of extermination.
@chulebam
@chulebam 4 жыл бұрын
Are there any books on this subject that you could recommend? That would be a great addition to your videos, also its the right thing to do to correctly quote or reference to your sources.
@connorbranscombe6819
@connorbranscombe6819 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah read any of the German generals memoirs, you’ll get a super editorialized and Wehrmacht biased book just like this video that seeks to pin all the bad things on the SS and make the Wehrmacht just look like any other army.
@johnnybulldog1322
@johnnybulldog1322 4 жыл бұрын
Not many ww2 channels talk about the actual soldiers in the war they just focus on what each side did and is precvied as I’m glad that your showed that not everyone is like what there nation is thought to be.
@shanemize3775
@shanemize3775 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think that you gave a very balanced view. Only a fool would think that they were all die-hard Nazis. They were mostly kids fighting for their country, just like in our armies. It doesn't excuse the horrible actions taken by those who did or by the nation as a whole. Well done! Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you and your team, my friend!
@morganofil
@morganofil 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that clip. You are doing a great job showing history, not just from a black and white perspective, life is never simple. Keep making similar clips to destroy the myth that every German that time was bad and every Pole was good. I'm Pole, good job mate.
@Notis516
@Notis516 4 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo when I was watching this I was like “Why do I recognize his voice” and I was going crazy trying to find out who you were then I clicked on your channel and checked the channels tab and saw Geetslys and I was like “OHH YEAAHHH”
@piercemybb
@piercemybb 4 жыл бұрын
Where do you get this information? My grandfather was similar to the chief of police at Alexanderplatz ... His name was Kurt Ziegler .... I have always been trying to find information on him.... can you help?
@LPPokefan
@LPPokefan 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the intro music?
@TheFront
@TheFront 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrOba9qm3J3SlZ8.html
@tim.n6283
@tim.n6283 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, a perfectly normal comment
@johnsaathoff7732
@johnsaathoff7732 4 жыл бұрын
19 yr old Vietnam vetran Paratrooper sergeant here. I went over there for blood and country. But in the end refused to shoot and old farmer who couldn't follow orders. I was discharged as "adaptable to military Duty." Wars are confusing places for teenagers and young men to grow up in. You go in one way and come out another. Then one day you find that there were only different shades of gray. There is no permanence in memories or histories. Things Change.
@roadhouse6999
@roadhouse6999 3 жыл бұрын
That's nuts... the way it was taught to me (in the late 2010s) was that you can disobey illegal orders and hold them against your commander if you're charged for insubordination
@stevenhaas9622
@stevenhaas9622 3 жыл бұрын
@@roadhouse6999 if you don't get fragged first.
@bubba98
@bubba98 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a video about this thank you
@thebeanman99
@thebeanman99 4 жыл бұрын
It’s about time someone made a video about this subject
@cadian9432
@cadian9432 4 жыл бұрын
I would say that the German Army in world war 2 was a tool of evil and was capable of some truly terrible acts.....but wasn’t completely bereft of compassion.
@NemoNobody2092
@NemoNobody2092 4 жыл бұрын
Explain in detail how the actions of the German army were any different than the actions of the allied army.
@douglasstrother6584
@douglasstrother6584 4 жыл бұрын
Research the numerous non-German SS units; it's rather fascinating. The Wehrmacht could draft conscripts, but the SS had to recruit; so they recruited units based on ideas of a greater Aryan Nation, anti-Communism and anti-Semitism.
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 3 жыл бұрын
My first impression about a lot of them is third-line police units. Germany has a ludicrously undersized organisation for adminstrating and securing the occupied areas and starts to rely on this mix of local nationalists, anticommunists, plain looters and opportunists. They're supposed to take pressure off combat units needed elsewhere. Not sure if it works, a lot of the heer remains tied up in antipartisan operations on the ostfront. You get a german uniform and a gun, and the chance to loot your neighbours that you've always disliked with the wehrmacht as backup. Sometimes the SS just seems to grab whatever they can get.
@colejacobs4440
@colejacobs4440 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit! Geetslees the star wars lore dude has a history channel? Why had he not mentioned this? This is awesome!
@Skyl3t0n
@Skyl3t0n 4 жыл бұрын
My family comes from yugoslavia and we are now living in germany. My grandfather said that while the germans treated them with respect when they invaded their land towards russia and took only what they needed (food and weapons), the soviets on the other hand raped almost every woman and even slaughtered some people as they occupied it back
@americaninternationalist1917
@americaninternationalist1917 3 жыл бұрын
This is just straight up Wehrmacht Apologia
@random0755
@random0755 3 жыл бұрын
Wermacht in western front:we are just soliders who fight for Hitler and we don't do a warcrimes Wermacht in eastern front:NO
@ericgu9036
@ericgu9036 3 жыл бұрын
*pulls out gun* “Geneva suggestion” - Wehrmacht and Soviet forces on the eastern front
@random0755
@random0755 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericgu9036 SS: what is geneva suggestions?
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video on the various German resistance to the Nazi regime and whatcha one had the biggest effect?
@johnhazlett6874
@johnhazlett6874 4 жыл бұрын
Well done and thanks.
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