Why I BOUGHT a 2023 SS 1LE Camaro not a ZL1 1LE!

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Why I Bought a 2023 SS 1LE Camaro not a ZL1 1LE!
Ladies and gentlemen, today myself and Asfar from @HotRods - DFW will show you all the differences between his 2022 Camaro ZL1 1LE and my 2023 Camaro SS 1LE.
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@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Now you know why I bought the SS and not a ZL1. Check out Asfar’s channel here 👉 youtube.com/@HotRodsDFW

@dundiditallog2970 Жыл бұрын

That ZL1 is a race car. That car look like it just made for the track racing.. On the highway I'll have to be in the SS 1LE. The ZL1 is a investment how I feel. I'll hold it for 30 years brand new.

@Danny-nz9fh Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike for the video very informative, nice comparison. I have a question do you know what type of improvement will add the performance exhaust that GM offers as part of the options? And do you know if adding this exhaust would delete the double exhaust mode?

@AllIsWell_22 Жыл бұрын

As a ZL1/1LE owner…on a racetrack - no contest. ZL1/1LE puts down power better…it did 7:16 at the Nurburgring after all. Things that people don’t know - The Aero was developed at the Mercedes F1 Wind Tunnel. The rear glass is thinner for less sound insulation and weight. The front lower grill is very different and chugs in 106cu.ft more air than the base ZL1. The wheels are forged unlike cast wheels for most Vettes to date. You can brake harder beyond the ABS threshold in the ZLE and there is no ICE mode. The 6spd has a shorter ratio in 6th gear to go like a bat out of hell in any gear. The ZLE has a solid subframe where the chassis is bolt to the body with little to no rubber. What it means is information and confidence at the limit. The stock GY3R tires are for track only with very stiff sidewalls. Most change to the Michelin PS4S for the street and it changes the ride immensely. The ZLE is GM’s version of the GT3RS. In short - lots more easter eggs.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

Solid info boss - I forgot about the rear glass totally :) Yeah the car is indeed a serious track weapon and I did give a GT3 a run for it’s money ;) I like the Goodyear 3R due to insane grip as I don’t bring it out in rain or cold at all!

@danieldickerson4838 Жыл бұрын

All amazing info, and if I could add on as well: The ZL1 1LE also has under body strakes for additional aerodynamic efficiency on track, the suspension setup is multimatic DSSVs, and the huge carbon fiber wing, and dive planes + splitter are race derived. And, it also comes STOCK with R comps. So in short, the ZL1 1LE is indeed a GT3 RS for the Camaro, is a track focused car first and foremost, and is the most ultimate ICE Camaro that’ll likely ever be built. It’s the big daddy.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

@danieldickerson4838 yes sir...super solid info!

@goldeneagle9575 8 ай бұрын

Thank you guys for the facts. I have a 2SS but totally obsessed with the ZL1 1LE ill have one in the future promise that to myself

@nickydrifts 4 ай бұрын

Everything you said is true, but the standard ZL1 and SS 1LE also have forged wheels, they're just 20" instead of the 19" on the ZLE.

@oldschool6268 Жыл бұрын

Another life long Texan here, 4 years ago I test drove 3 ZL1'S all used, 2 were 1LE's they broke my heart on the rough ride. Found a white ZL1 with all OEM 1LE parts added, with 2700 miles, she's been with me for 4 years and almost 30K, magnetic ride is wonderful, and I will eventually get to COTA with it. The SS sounds louder due to higher compression, my ZL1 has borla Atak cat back, it speaks to your soul and everyone around you .😂

@SM-eu5xl Жыл бұрын

I've had both.. I sold the ZL1 1LE and and bought ANOTHER SS1LE.. I really enjoyed the ZLE,, but in the end, it was so overkill that it wasn't as fun to drive in 99% of my driving scenarios. In the end, I sold it for ALOT more than I spent on it when the market was crazy high on used cars and later bought a brand new 2023 SS 1LE. Super happy to be back in a SS 1LE.

@tmike200687 Жыл бұрын

I’m getting ZL1 soon. My 2018 Mustang GT will be my everyday car and ZL1 will be my weekend fun car.

@koonyeezy6433 Жыл бұрын

@@tmike200687Lucky Flucker!😂

@quickdeuce 15 күн бұрын

Agree,, the SS makes more sense to most of we "average Jane and Joe" drivers and I'm betting in the real world it will sell easier, better and at a greater price than will the ZL1. The ZL1 is attractive to the HIGH PERFORMANCE Camaro enthusiast but in reality WHERE can you experience all it has to offer than on a track and how many of us have the time or inclination to find one. We drive up and down the "streets" of America therefore the more streetable car is more desirable. Just say'n 🙂

@tylermoore4976 Жыл бұрын

This 100% helped me. I currently drive a 2019 GTI and plan on keeping it as a daily when I get my next car. It's fun and practical. For a while I was really deadset on getting a 21+ Mach 1 with the tremec. Then I saw how much cheaper the SS was with the 1LE package. I was looking at ZL1 1LE's as well. Just like you had mentioned, I want to also be able to put 100% of the power to the ground on the street and not worry as much about losing traction. Did not know it did not have the magnetic ride suspension. For me, that's a big selling point. I've never had a car with it and would love to experience it. Another selling point is the torque and power curve of the LT1 compared to the Coyote. I'll test drive one eventually but I do like the idea of how much more usable the entire torque curve is in the LT1. So now I'm looking to get an SS 1LE by the end of the year. Not sure if I want to get a lightly used one or build one to my own liking from the factory for the final model year. I have no doubt they are, but the LT1 is a pretty reliable engine right? Even with a good chunk of mileage on it? P.S. Found your channel about a week ago and love the content! Very informative. New subscriber

@bird-man4022 Жыл бұрын

@Tyler, Appreciate your post. As an SS1LE owner, do yourself a favor and GET this car! You can put ALL the power down and the chassis tuning allows you to feel “one” with the vehicle. There’s a reason a driver like Randy Pobst has given this car such high praise. It’s a driver’s car! Next, the LT1 is VERY RELIABLE. Mine’s a 2018 and it’s had ZERO issues. Lastly, make sure you get the 6-Speed manual for maximum driver involvement. Hope this helps!

@GoodKong.BadKong Жыл бұрын

LT1 engine is also direct injection only, so eventually you're gonna have to get the engine serviced to clean up all the carbon build up, I don't know how expensive that'll be but I'm guessing its not gonna be cheap. The Coyote engine is both port and direct injection. Ford did this so that you won't ever have to service the engine for carbon build up.

@tylermoore4976 Жыл бұрын

@@bird-man4022 I think I’m definitely sold on getting one. Can’t stop looking at them everyday on Autotrader lol. And I will definitely be getting the manual. Thanks for the info!

@tylermoore4976 Жыл бұрын

@@GoodKong.BadKong I guess it’s the price you have to pay to have a cool car lol. I’m no stranger to the carbon buildup because my GTI is DI as well and have to get that cleaned

@GoodKong.BadKong Жыл бұрын

@@tylermoore4976 how much does it cost for that kind of service or do you do it yourself?

@coastalparasail Жыл бұрын

Because you can’t afford the ZL1 🤣 I’m kidding !

@scottschneider5866 Жыл бұрын

Truth 🤣😂

@lilpre504 Жыл бұрын

Lol!

@machinis Жыл бұрын

Honestly, that was the reason why didn't buy a ZL1 1LE. The price tag was almost $20K over the SS 1LE.

@matt-ts8cx Жыл бұрын

That was my initial thought.

@ClickbaitMotorsports 10 ай бұрын

That's a fact. 😂 Only real reason would be 💰. Or allocation issues.

@andrewjohnson7695 Жыл бұрын

The ZL1-1LE has wider front fenders, thinner glass, also has parts that you add underneath to help with airflow that come in a box in the trunk when you get it new, when I got my ZL1-1LE, although it was very difficult to get (waited a year) the SS-1LE was even harder to get. I don't daily mine, and if I had to, I would definitely say the SS-1LE or regular ZL1 would be a more livable choice. The ZL1-1LE also has a completely different front fascia than the reg ZL1, beyond just the dive planes, it eliminates the led lights, and has additional scoops around the central grille opening, hard to notice unless u see them side by side. I really liked this video, because I really feel like these 2 are going to be Camaros that people will want, and will be the ones that hold their value. 👍👍👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

@Jwdude123 Жыл бұрын

6-speed manual is Everything.

@canaryveteran Жыл бұрын

I have an SS and I swear I floated a rib taking corners. She holds the road so well!!!

@mzaccagnini7179 Жыл бұрын

Love that supercharger whine.That would be my choice.

@thecarpergarage916 Жыл бұрын

Good comparison! Change the tires to PS4’s and the ride will improve somewhat. The important thing is to get the best Camaro within a person budget before it’s too late.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

This car sure is something to get and keep :) I went back to 3Rs from Continental Extreme Sport - not the daily and wanted to experience maximum grip but 100% agreed on comment that softer sidewalls can make it a tad bit better!

@ImsavageIvan Жыл бұрын

Yup, trying to get an order in before they’re gone hopefully a 2ss1LE

@donniewebb1792 Жыл бұрын

Got my 6-speed manual 2022 SS 1LE last May Satin Steel Metallic. Took six months from order to delivery. It's not a daily only have 2200 miles on it right now but I enjoy driving it every time I get it out. I probably could have ordered it without a sound system, I rarely listen the radio because I love the sound of that LT1 engine. So, for me the SS 1LE was a much better option because of $20,000 difference and I can put full power to the road without traction issues. It's also a fly looking ride.

@rondavis5189 Жыл бұрын

I couldn't resist, so I bought both. Both are in the rapid blue. Both are awesome track cars.😎

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Жыл бұрын

Huge news. Michelin pilot S5 the successor to the pilot 4s is coming to market and it will change most lap times, including the Stingrays track times.

@ccc3350 Жыл бұрын

I love my 21 2SS Convertible. Almost as much as my 23 C8 Convertible. ZL1 is amazing but I can go fast enough in what I have.

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Same here, my Camaro is a blast to drive. 👍😊

@kingraul3186 Жыл бұрын

Have a c8 with the Z51. However, the ZLE is on another level.

@thomasangelo4219 Жыл бұрын

2 beautiful cars Really fast It responds so quickly

@anthonygarland933 Жыл бұрын

I remember growing up thinking 300hp was the magic number. My 2SS RS has just short of 500rwhp and wow! At this point it's faster than most which isn't always what's best. But sure is fun.

@Alan_Chapman Жыл бұрын

It was the magic number when the car didn’t weigh 3700lbs.

@Tmrolln Жыл бұрын

Thanks again. I always wanted to know about the differences.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

It was an awesome day Mike - loved hanging out with your beautiful SS 1LE and those crazy C8 launches for sure :D

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Sure was bro! We always have a great time together! 👍😊

@CrusaderX Жыл бұрын

And here I am liking the LT-1

@matrox Жыл бұрын

Exactly I would not have one of these without a manual trans. Had a 2011 Camaro with stick, then got my 17' SS with a stick.

@livinglife3230 Жыл бұрын

My ‘18 SS is manual also, only way to go

@johnathanhurd3561 4 күн бұрын

I've always been a manual shifting guy but I have to admit I'm older now and the 10 speed automatic is calling me! Lol

@shanerivers8141 Жыл бұрын

Well done. I was faced with this same decision last summer when I went car shopping. Im not wealthy but could have gotten either car. It was between a 18' 2SS 1LE with 6k miles or a 18' ZLE 3k miles. I was omw to drive the ZLE and saw the freshly traded SS 1LE at local Chevrolet dealer. Decided to stop and take a look at the SS 1LE took it for a drive keeping in mind this is pretty much be my DD except for couple months or rain. Id heard all the things about the ride of ZLE making it almost impossible to DD, loved the 2SS 1LE and never went to drive the ZLE. I love my 2SS 1LE but been thinking maybe I made a mistake. This video reminded me why I made the right choice for me. Great video. Thanks guys

@cski12894 22 күн бұрын

During your intro on Concrete pavement I saw both cars rear ends slapping up and down. It is more pronounced with a stiff suspension....or one that is trying to keep you level. I have a 2018 1SS. It was the right car at the right time . I bought it in April 23 with 11,250 miles on the odo. It was a one owner car who passed away. I have done visual mods and it has PSS and the Sunroof. I will be adding the Bilstein B-14 suspension, already bought, as soon as my installer is ready. Great review. With my 6 manual and the 2018 original front end...I get compliments all day long when I drive it. I am thinking about the 1LE rims as well. A 23 offset front and 43 rear. So that is a definite 👍 😅

@5150hammerhead Жыл бұрын

Awesome cars. I bought a 2020 ss 1le 1ss at the beginning of covid when you could still get a deal. It stickered for45000 and i got it for 42000 otd. I think that is a fantastic value for a true sportscar.

@norwegianblue2017 Жыл бұрын

It's true, if you're not going to track this car or take it to Germany, you're never going to be able to use that extra power of the ZL1 on the streets. But if the extra $20k-$25k is no big deal to you, then get the ZL1 with or without the 1LE package. For the rest of us, makes more sense to get the SS. You're gonna have a blast in either car.

@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video great comparison between the two cars. I liked the sound of the SS over the ZL1 in the video

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome Andrew, I’m glad you enjoyed it.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

I was jealous as the SS did sound better in person as well - hahaha!!

@doughooks7411 Жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, sorry I have been AWOL for a bit…a couple of weeks in the Caribbean doing some snorkeling. Great to see Asfar again! Welcome back, man! Love both cars. I must say that as much as I enjoy my C8, I do not get the rush I do in my modded C7Z. But I love both and they both serve different desires. My C8 is stock, and my C7Z has 681/675 wheels numbers. If I had to choose one of the Camaros and could only have one toy, it would be the LT4 With mag ride. I have Z51 and mag ride on both of my Corvettes and love it, but I know I would miss the extra horsepower given the choice of only one. Great video, guys! I am one of Asfar’s subs and enjoy his content as well.

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Hey Doug, welcome back. I guess I need to vacation with you guys! 😉 Wow, what a trip! Yep, Asfar is a great guy for sure and has an amazing assortment of fast cars! The LT4 is definitely a beast and so much fun to drive, but it wanted to do a car that more could afford and would be better for the track, for me. I’m loving it! Welcome back and I’ll see you on Octane Hour. 😊👍

@camirocz Жыл бұрын

Regular Zl1 is by far the best Camaro to drive if you use it on the street Zl1 1le is very harsh in terms of ride quality and if you arent tracking it then it s the wrong one to get . Regular Zl1 is quicker in a drag race due to less aggressive aero.

@drewpackard6646 Жыл бұрын

Mike very good vlog sir! Keep up the good work!!👍🏽

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I sure will. 👍😊

@perrymnazjurgens Жыл бұрын

Summary: it's boils down to $20K, which is the price you pay for another 200 hp - I have a 2023 ZL1 and it is a rocket ship with the ride of a baby carriage in Tour mode. By the time Mike puts all the "manual" upgrades on the SS the price gap drops, and in the end it's not about the quality of ride, it's about the initial price difference. I liked the video, but too much emphasis on the quality of ride between the SS and 1LE version of the ZL1 - if you can afford it, simply get the ZL1 without the 1LE package and you'll NEVER regret it. Thanks again Mike, another great video.

@sammacintyre2583 11 ай бұрын

I had a Yellow 2017 1LE and it was one of the best cars I’ve ever owned or driven. Great engine, great transmission and one of the greatest suspensions ever! Lightweight 0-60 in 4.0 seconds

@whereisthedollar Жыл бұрын

I brought a 2SS with the Magnetic ride. With the performance suspension she came with the ride is good as the MB coupe E350 she replaced.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

Yeah the mag ride does make it nice and plush and an all rounder - miss that from my ZL1

@everjeff Жыл бұрын

Great video, MIke! I'm going on 3 years of owning my ZL1 1LE and still enjoying it. No doubt its a harsher ride but I like it. I get stopped so many times when getting gas and if you go through a drive thru, someone is usually going to compliment the car hah so definitely don't get one if you don't want to talk to people! Best thing I have done on my ZL1 1LE was switching to the Michelin Pilot 4S tires, huge difference from the Goodyear Supercar 3R tires that came stock for daily driving. It's funny I drive mine in manual mode for the Auto all the time. The shifts with the A10 are much better than the 2016 Z06 A8 that I had.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

100% agreed on someone wants to talk to you when you are in the 1LE - thanks for watching Jeff and thanks to Mike for featuring the car - what color is your beast?

@everjeff Жыл бұрын

@@HotRodsDFW I have a 2020 Satin Steel Metallic, also the A10.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

@@everjeff love it!!

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff! Yep, it is an amazing machine for sure! Same here, I actually got stopped pumping gas on Friday night. The guy had no idea that is was a special Camaro, but he said “wow, that’s one of the coolest Camaros I’ve ever seen. I pulled up next to you so I could pump my gas and look at your car.” Yes the manual shifts are definitely quicker with the 10 speed than the C7 8 speed.

@jtriplet Жыл бұрын

And with the ZL1, you have PLENTY of times to talk to people as you're always getting gas 🤣

@danieldickerson4838 Жыл бұрын

The ZL1 1LE is a track car first, and street car second. It’s a VERY focused and serious car, and while the SS 1LE is a serious machine as well, it’s less harsh and just dead set focused on road course work than the Z is. I mean, the ZL1 1LE comes STOCK with multimatic DSSV shocks, under body aero strakes, R compound tires, race derived aero etc. The SS is plenty and then some for most people; the ZL1, especially in 1LE trim is a monster and a half.

@Brian_horwath Жыл бұрын

If you wanted to actually drive the car like road trips and what not would you go SS? That where I’m leaning

@rldeppe1 Жыл бұрын

I can see the shadows of your Mini 3 pro. Awesome little drone.

@charliejg Жыл бұрын

My son had a Crush Orange 2019 2SS 1LE. It was sooo much fun to drive. That mag ride was sweet. He now has a 2023 ZL1 1LE. Equally as fun, just a very different animal and ride!

@charlesgrimm13 12 күн бұрын

Equal?

@charliejg 12 күн бұрын

@@charlesgrimm13 LOL! Well...... That ZL1 1LE is such a beast!!

@isaacrivera3895 Ай бұрын

Base ZL1 with 1LE Aero Kit/Wider Tires is the best in my opinion. you get the magna ride & the looks.

@Nick_Henri 9 ай бұрын

Great video. I've had two 2SS's (current generation) and have considered the ZL1 but I far prefer the sound of the SS engines and I find they're just the right amount of usable power.

@JoshuaFLO86 Жыл бұрын

That’s why I got a regular ZL1 , mag ride is awesome and you get a sunroof for the already cramped interior

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

Yep, the regular ZL1 is definitely nice.

@stevezx900 Жыл бұрын

Sunroof ruins the roofline!

@nurzrachit7133 Жыл бұрын

I love that ZL1 in white! I too got the SS 1LE in Wild Cherry Tintcoat as I honestly couldn't justify the extra money as I knew I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it. The SS is already fast as crap man and although it would lose in a drag, I wanted the cornering ability first and foremost. It's hard to find a decent price for the ZL1 but I got a smoking deal on my SS. It would have cost me more than $20K to get a comparable used ZL1 and it just didn't work for me. I will say though, the motor build of the entire LT4 is really enticing. IMO it is one of the best performance motors being built right now, very freaking stout!

@richardmorris7063 Жыл бұрын

I live in Florida where the roads are better than most, I couldn't imagine enjoying driving something so harsh. To me 450-500 hp is more than enough, I'd put that ZL1 in a ditch or worse. Overkill for sure.

@yellowgold Жыл бұрын

I've got the same car and i live in the same area! i think i saw your car from far away the other day.

@yelltona3928 3 ай бұрын

Nice video, im debating on which one to get after i pay my hellcat off. I kinda want a ss just to build it and have fun with it . But i do like the ZL1 lol

@TheNewNick2.0 9 ай бұрын

Does the 1ss have magnetic ride also? Or is the 2ss just mainly creature comforts?

@willieharris1618 10 ай бұрын

Mike your thoughts. I'm getting tired of waiting on my allocation for my C8. I missed out on my 23 allocation now I have to get the 24. I'm really thinking on ZL1 Camaro. What's your thoughts.

@landmine940 Ай бұрын

Hello from just down the road in Carrollton I’m looking to buy SS Ss2 1Le white with black wheels and hood. I had a 2015 SS Ss2 convertible for quite a while it wasn’t very powerful with the L99 engine and the weight of the convertible is more than a hardtop I ended up selling back to the dealership when they were having trouble finding cars they offered to pay off plus 3500$ in cash. I’ve never been in a ZL1 or the 1le yet I have found a SS 1le that someone has put the super charger on it. How do think that would turn out?

@Oneway_myway Жыл бұрын

I just ordered a 2SS 1LE last week in shadow gray. I’m excited! Just waiting for Chevy to respond for allocation 🤙🏻

@iconquer42 Жыл бұрын

You’ll be waiting 8 months minimum for it.

@Oneway_myway Жыл бұрын

@@iconquer42 I’m ok with that

@u.b.469 Жыл бұрын

Mike, which car do you enjoy driving more, the C8 or the Camaro?

@ttown918 Жыл бұрын

If you don't spend time at the track (which 98% of the buyers of V8 mustangs and camaros don't), why the F would anyone get theh ZL1 1LE (over a "regular" ZL1). Who wants to drive around town knocking their teeth out. The ZL1 1LE is like a car rolling on rock wheels.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

Well I haven’t taken it to the track yet and enjoy every bit of it but I agree to your comment - if it’s going to be your only fun car! Doesn’t bother me as got a few others on the fun side! It more than makes up for the bone jarriness when you are super glued on those exit ramps and make lane corrections mid corner!

@richardmorris7063 Жыл бұрын

Status symbol?

@dreamachines8584 Жыл бұрын

Cuz its badass

@4411825 Жыл бұрын

With that logic why buy this type of car over a more practical and comfortable sedan or SUV!

@namename1 Жыл бұрын

Ok without the back Wing without front bumper without the Supercharger but if you change all other 1:1 to 1le (brakes example) how much it will cost $

@claudiucristian5632 Жыл бұрын

I really loved and enjoyed my 2SS Fifty Edition when it was stock. After a couple years I wanted more power but my heart wouldn’t let me trade in my special camaro for a ZL1.. so I “built”my own. Added an LT4 Supercharger, ZL1 brakes, suspension and fuel system + bolt ons and full AWE exhaust. Now my little SS with 200whp extra is a raging bull on steroids and I absolutely enjoy every single bit of it 👏🏼👏🏼. Great video as well! I really enjoy this content!

@adammichaud7890 11 ай бұрын

I drive a ss and love it.. I subscribed

@J-zf4eh Жыл бұрын

The pre-owned market looks suitable for camaros. I mean, a lot of 16,17,18,19 SS models are decently priced, and pre-owned ZL1 (preferably, the 17-18 models are going for reasonable prices as well).

@fatninja2828 Жыл бұрын

I just bought a used 1SS with 544 miles on it and I LOVE IT!

@cyruschen7442 Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the video just being a fan of the muscle car, not really in the market right now to buy one. I'm still in the mini van stage of life. If the camaro is still around in a few years then I'll check in with your videos then. I am little bummed they didn't keep the 1le option around for all the trim levels like the turbo 4 cylinder and v6. That would have also been an economic option for those who want that muscle car looks without breaking the bank and don't plan to track the car but just use it as a daily driver.

@ReevesTop Жыл бұрын

Im a little bias because i owned both but i definitely enjoyed the ZLE a lot more but i totally get where your coming from.

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

It sure was a fun car to drive, no doubt about it. 👍

@CyberCrusader27 Жыл бұрын

The front fenders are actually wider on the ZL1 as well.

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

Yeah - both me and Mike were super confused and we did scratch our head if it is actually wider agreeing that it indeed was by about an inch on each side!!

@brennanlinnell7769 11 ай бұрын

I just moved to The Colony and drive on the exact same street in the beginning of the video by Scheels in my silver SS 1LE 😂👍🏼

@nemesis_zl1180 Жыл бұрын

Love both... love the manuals.. I wouldn't have anything else

@RacingforALS Жыл бұрын

The normal ZL1 is in the middle of the two cars with 90% of the track performance of the ZL1 1LE. The SS 1LE is probably the best balanced car and is a great deal for the money.

@toddaulner5393 9 ай бұрын

Went for a ride with a guy who had a 2018 SS, he had upgraded such as cam and some suspension but I was shocked when we went up a pothole road in the rain and we were going 90-100 mph, it was frightening believe me! It did grab though!

@theguyz550 10 ай бұрын

I got 2021 ZL1 covertible and its amazing

@Chasethe1le 9 ай бұрын

Am I missing the link to the steering wheel cover on amazon or was it not listed?

@Dormantee Жыл бұрын

I had initially ordered the 1LE package for my ZL1, but dropped it cause I didn't want to drive on track suspension on the street

@jorgeirizarry5971 7 ай бұрын

Now I'm glad I got the manual SS. Mine has the track package and still not a comfortable ride for a daily. Good thing is not a daily. I'll go crazy if it was.

@javabl3ck Жыл бұрын

I am saving up to buy my first camaro. i currently drive a chevy aveo lt 2007 1.6 lt, so wish me luck.

@RonCrumbaker 11 ай бұрын

I daily my ZL1 1LE. But roads here are good. Still a rough ride, but the pure joy of driving this car out weighs the rough ride!

@aninja7628 Жыл бұрын

I did the Ss and put the Eaton supercharger on it/ I like the daily driver feel if the SS in all modes way better

@Bike_bender Жыл бұрын

I am glad I bought the ZL1 1SE,,,really,,how often can you spend that kind of money for the amount of track time you can afford

@CreasyEQ 7 ай бұрын

I agree 💯. I couldn't have an automatic Camaro, or Mustang 🐎 ❗

@markiuzzolino 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for doing this comparison. Exactly what I needed. However, I have a question. If I got the ZL1 without the 1LE but got the Magride, would that car ride the same as the SS?

@BrinkofSpeed 11 ай бұрын

You’re welcome. The normal ZL1 automatically comes standard with mag ride. It will be a little smoother than my SS 1LE.

@amill1563 Жыл бұрын

I thought for sure it would have mag ride. But appealing to a wider audience with cool mods sounds good for your channel.

@cecilotto504 Жыл бұрын

A 400 plus hp car is more than enough to enjoy on the streets. Anything more is wreckless needs to be on a track

@19hundoc47 Жыл бұрын

Lol says the guy that drives a civic probably

@everjeff Жыл бұрын

The ZL1 is easy to drive, unless you are hammering it, it’s pretty tame, having the 650hp and especially the 650tq just means you’re not full throttling on public roads. I mean you can but it could get expensive quick, bond etc hah.

@cecilotto504 Жыл бұрын

@@19hundoc47 no chump i got two 5.0s

@Sloimer 11 ай бұрын

@@cecilotto504so you’re basically rationalizing your 5.0’s… got it.

@darthnatas953 11 ай бұрын

If it was 1977, you would be saying a 170hp Camaro is more than enough to enjoy on the streets. Anything more is wreckless (sic) needs to be on a track.

@xmadman19x Жыл бұрын

I chose the ss 1le over the ZLE because i couldnt truly afford the ZLE 🤣

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

Haha - you have an amazing car - I loved Mike’s car and it sounded better to my ears!

@everjeff Жыл бұрын

Always good to have fun but not over extend yourself!

@robertcirilli6577 Жыл бұрын

I would definitely prefer the SS. I like driving.

@gloriamaletta8667 Жыл бұрын

Both are nice but with the price difference l would prefer the 2SS 1LE over the ZL1 1LE the only thing l need from the ZL1 is the fuel pump and injectors for the difference in price l would send the 2SS 1LE to GPI for a no fly cut camshaft CNC port and mill stock heads E85 Flex fuel system long tube headers cat deleted 3 inch X pipe 3500 rpm Circle D stall converter High Ram intake and computer tuned and dynoed with supporting bolt-ons l think l would be pretty happy with this over a ZL1 1LE this GPI setup has 590 rear wheel horsepower is streetable naturally aspirated and runs mid to low 10s in the quarter mile in a full interior Camaro with AC 10.20s-10.40s with drag radials and can cruise all day on the highway at 80-90mph l would use it as a nice weather weekend car only

@jiggy7928 5 ай бұрын

I wonder if the 2014/15 Camaro Z28 suspension setup and the feel of it, is similar to the ZL1 1LE. Would anyone know?

@johnniezuniga6841 Жыл бұрын

Both beautiful muscle cars😎🤗

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

I agree 💯

@jdwxflyer 8 ай бұрын

Great looking cars, the both of them, but I like the SS look better, and you can’t argue with the cost. How much power does one need?

@michaelthebarbarian3380 8 ай бұрын

Sound's like my decision to buy an R/T Scat Pack Wide Body over a SRT Hellcat. I wanted a manual, I wanted to be able to throw it around a bit without being terrified, and wanted something a bit more poised in the twisites than the big Hellcat, I am not a pro driver so nearly 500HP and a torque curve that hits right off idle is at the limits of my skill for a road course. To top it off, it was like 60k fully loaded with the shaker vs a Hellcat that was about 80k. Yes, I track my Challenger.

@isiahgomez6860 Жыл бұрын

Because of money, nothing more nothing less

@Por_981 8 ай бұрын

It would be a 2SS for me. BTW, can you get a 2SS 1LE without the black hood?

@A91Armin 11 ай бұрын

Great video, what’s the difference between a ZL1 (non1LE) and a SS 1LE suspension wise? Seems to be the same

@darthnatas953 11 ай бұрын

I believe the mag ride suspension is the same on both.

@bradturner3361 10 ай бұрын

It’s the same. Really it’s the same car other than the LT4 and SC. And that’s not worth $20-$25k

@davidhorne2326 Жыл бұрын

I had a ‘19 ZL1. Really miss it! But I can see that the SS would be a better daily.

@MidnightBenz 8 ай бұрын

Better daily and better on technical roads/tracks..

@mugmasher4309 10 ай бұрын

I picked up a 2SS 1LE besides the extra cash I did not like the huge wing on the back I like the style of the SS1LE way better

@camarolover3477 11 ай бұрын

The ZL1 is so much fun!

@AustinMathias Жыл бұрын

You have great size canards man

@danaberman6929 Жыл бұрын

I would not get rid of my 21 SS1LE for the ZL1. I like the performance and ride of the SS 1LE. I prefer the 6 speed as well. I sold my Hellcat Challenger because it was an automatic. It handled ok, but was nothing compared to my Camaro for getting around the corners...

@livinglife3230 Жыл бұрын

I got a ‘18 SS manual & challenger hellcat, best of both worlds. Luv em both the same. Seems like we got equal taste in cars, what’s yo next vehicle?

@danaberman6929 Жыл бұрын

@@livinglife3230 Not sure yet. I can't do automatics, and that seems to be where all the car makers are going. Whatever my next car is, it has to be a V8 with a six speed. Nothing beats the sound and driving experience when row'n gears...

@livinglife3230 Жыл бұрын

@@danaberman6929 manuals are pretty much done. If I went zl1 next it have to be a m6. The thing about the zl1 is that it looks just like a SS. My SS is stock, i don’t modify my vehicle usually just straight pipe em. I’d luv to get the new Demon at MSRP but I know that’s not a option. The c8 is a option & I can also use the excuse of not having a manual b/c it’s not a option, lol

@Doc236 Жыл бұрын

I'm driving a 2021 SS1LE that I bought brand new. Even with the magnetic ride suspension and the Michelin tires and the tour mode its a HARD ride. I was hoping as I drove it the suspension would soften a bit but at 6K miles I'm still waiting. So I agree if your buying one to daily drive its a bad choice. I had rotator cuff surgery and after 9 weeks post op I took out my Camaro and the stiff ride practically tore my clamps and stitches out! At least it felt like it. I would compare the ride to the famous wooden roller coaster in Coney Island NY called the cyclone. People have herniated their lumbar discs on that ride! All that being said if your going to weekend drive it and go on long out of state trips on super highways that are smooth there is nothing that can compare. Of course same goes if your gonna track it. However inner city driving on weather beaten roads with bumps can really put you in a grumpy mood lol.

@darthnatas953 11 ай бұрын

If you think the SS 1LE rides stiff, try the ZL1 1LE. It feels at least twice as stiff.

@bradturner3361 10 ай бұрын

Strange, I own a 2023 2SS 1Le and the ride is fantastic! This is my first sports car and I’m wildly impressed with the ride.

@Doc236 10 ай бұрын

@@bradturner3361 a lot depends on what the road conditions are. Here in NY , the 5 boroughs all have really terrible roads. When I drive upstate or I95 it’s a fantastic ride. Maybe the 2023 was given an upgrade? Or maybe my magnetic ride control is defective. lol

@bradturner3361 10 ай бұрын

@@Doc236 we have some rough roads down south as well but this suspension has wowed me. Everyone is different but I have no complaints on the ride it’s the most comfortable car I’ve owned.

@jonathanbuford1793 5 ай бұрын

Can’t you take a used Honda and around 10-$15,000 worth of mods and it would take the gl1 or is it less if you do the work and find deals🤔

@petercarey6883 Жыл бұрын

The ZL1 presses all the buttons without a doubt. But (yup always a "but") you can't get it with a manual transmission. I'm sure the transmission is not an issue for most here and in reality, it wouldn't be for me either if I had a bad knee or hip. Then without a doubt it would definitely be the ZL1. GM hit it out of the park. Save the Wave 🙋‍♂

@DullerCrab Жыл бұрын

You can get it with a manual, same Tremec 6060 that’s in the SS

@HotRodsDFW Жыл бұрын

100% The car feels such an all rounder especially the regular ZL1 The 1LE is like a serious weapon :)

@rockyarchambeau5820 Жыл бұрын

I like the the ZL1 better,but I agree the SS is more usable on the street ,and definitely more affordable for sure ….

@BrinkofSpeed Жыл бұрын

👍😊

@MidnightBenz 8 ай бұрын

The SS is the better car, not faster, but better. SS 1LE will put better lap times on more technical tracks and on tracks with more straights it will slightly be behind the ZL1 1LE. The better car will also include the miles you drive before fueling up, SS gets the upper hand in that field.

@raymondfrank9202 Жыл бұрын

i had a 2ss with 455hp. I thought how could you use the 650hp. The 455 hp was really fast. I would take either one in the future. They both spend the tires. I was buying tires and gas all the time. I love them both.Cadillac Blackwing?

@MidnightBenz 8 ай бұрын

Well the ZL1 if babied (which no one should - no point in buying it then) will get 12 mpg. Push it and 9 is your magic number. Drive the SS like a complete maniac and you'll still get 16 mpg. Turns and technical tracks, the SS is the better choice. You will carry more speed through the turns as you don't get to the higher speeds in the straights. But then again, compare the top speeds on either base SS and ZL1 and 15-20 mph on top end will equal in $1000 for every mile per hour. The top speed difference for the 1LE is smaller. You are looking at 186 mph for the ZL1 and still 180 for the SS. So the catch is mid range. Pick a bumpy track, and unless the person that owns the ZL1 is someone that lovea playing with legos, the ZL1 will stay behind the SS. ZL1 needs the smooth sweeping turns and the straights to get an advantage. That is never the real world unless you live in the middle of the country. East and West coast streets will deem the SS as rhe better chice hands down.

@gbass7328 6 ай бұрын

FYI - SS 1LE spring rates are 178F/540R and ZL1 1LE rates are 450F/1100R

@tetolink12 Жыл бұрын

Zl1 1le is on another level 650 hp

@austink4712 9 ай бұрын

I wish they put the zl1 front on more models

@brucetumblinjr7980 Жыл бұрын

As a Mustang guy & current owner of a new 22 Mach 1 with TREMEC & Handling Package I’ve always respected the engine & performance of the Camaro, it’s a shame GM is discontinuing it (no more rivalry) 😢

@lacesout1199 Жыл бұрын

Ya and the mustang gt will go back to a 4.6 v8 with no comp

@brucetumblinjr7980 Жыл бұрын

@@lacesout1199 I’m still keeping my 5.0 Coyote in my S550 regardless

@lacesout1199 Жыл бұрын

@Bruce Tumblin Jr hell ya ma I don't blame you dam nice cars