Excellent analysis. The X2 certainly seems fast all around....!
@laslotiborc384 Жыл бұрын
Awesome job on the analysis. You actually sold me the boat based on the comparison I've made
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@pweigt3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. I had not idea that you went THAT analytical on the problem ;-). I hope you will get her soon and that she delivers on all the assumptions.
@clarebrown16033 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Looking forward to the delivery video. Well composed, thank you.
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I will post a delivery video for sure! :)
@Snadistsiistii3 жыл бұрын
Great info - thanks for the effort and sharing all this. Looking forward to your feedback on water
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
I gotta get my hands on your spreadsheet. Would love to add to it because I'm too dumb to start the work.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Feel free to email me at scott@canadaoceanracing.com and I'll send it to you.
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
@@CanadaOceanRacing Thanks! I will.
@istra703 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's all looking good on paper ( if data are correct)...... as we all know many if not all manufacturers try their best- to make it look better - at least on paper. In any case good looking boat ....
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. The proof will be on the water. Hopefully!
@pnaubry3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation ! I am also looking at the Farr X2 as well as the newly created Class 30 OD (no real info yet on the VPLP design). Very much looking to your experience on the water... There is also the AEOLOS P30 which looks like a rocket ! Best
@istra70 Жыл бұрын
Yes , and tests show it is in lite winds. Boat is very light may be too lite,
@Antipodean33 Жыл бұрын
Mate if I was in the market for a boat like that after watching this comparison it would be a case of "take my money" I'm amazed Farr haven't reached out and offered you a job selling their boats
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
If you do buy one, let me know and I’ll chase them down for a commission and split it with you! ;)
@nicolaspopp Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Would you be willing to share the spreadsheet?
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
I’d be happy to. Please email me at scott@canadaoceanracing.com and I’ll reply with the files attached. Thanks.
@antonioscano39403 жыл бұрын
Complimenti per il modello innnovativo
@jbalberts2869 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding analysis. Are your spreadsheets available for review? Brad Alberts San Diego
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Please email me at scott@canadaoceanracing.com and I'll forward the spreadsheets to you.
@tristankiddie17106 ай бұрын
I sail on the Farr x2 here in New Zealand. We just had B.P. down here to join us on board for Sail Week. Great boat, has some different characteristics to many others with the hull shape. But very fast when the groove is found. We matched much longer boats and we are still learning the boat. How have you found yours since you got it? I believe we have some different cut sails to you.
@CanadaOceanRacing6 ай бұрын
Mine is coming to me this spring and I'm really looking forward to getting out on it! Email me at scott@canadaoceanracing.com and we can keep in touch and compare notes.
@joseluisortin44173 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis, just be carefull with VPP and ORC polars, they can be quite off (10-20%) in some designs configuration and conditions. The optimistic/pesimistic calculation is not linear, so one design can be more pesismistic than other in the VPP results. Good analysis anyway 👍.
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Good point on the VPPs and polars. Thanks!
@ian_griffiths3 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott - I love your analysis. I'm in the same boat as you except you've already pulled the trigger and I'm in throws this month. Can I be cheeky and check out your data myself to help me to help inform my final decision?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
@Sailing Offshore Virgin - For sure! If you want to email me at sailcanadascott@gmail.com I'll send you my files.
@alexjband3 жыл бұрын
So you're the other mechanical engineer looking at buying an X2 in the SF Bay Area. I love the analysis. I'm curious how the X2 will perform in the 25+ we've been getting this La Niña season.
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
I'm in Canada and we get some nice 25+ winds too so I'm looking forward to that as well.
@tristankiddie17106 ай бұрын
From our experience here in New Zealand, it loves the 25+! Keen to hear of any experience you have with it?
@clanyoung142 жыл бұрын
Choose a one design boat with lots (100 or more) in your sailing area. There is nothing like coming over the finish line first and knowing you won. You will also know you are a good sailor. No one will really believe you are a good sailor competing in rated boat racing. The best sailors race one design, you will find the best competition there and you will learn the most there.
@TheBeingReal2 жыл бұрын
That’s just not even close to doable for most people who race. Fleets that large are rare, even for dinghy racing. I race on Lk Michigan, at best we’ll have 3 boats of the same design out of a fleet of ~40 boats racing. Even the Chicago to Mac and Port Huron to Mac races have few one design boat classes. Rated boat racing is what most normal folk do. Go out, have fun!
@williamgassman2310 Жыл бұрын
Do you think the speed/weight ratio hold up with only two onboard? I am concerned with the lighter boat with the full sail area it will be hard to keep the X2 flat going up wind. The 2 rudders help and ability to pump ballast up onto windward.
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
The numbers show it should. The water ballast helps a fair bit.
@tristankiddie17106 ай бұрын
The water balast definitely makes a big difference. Also, lots of twist in the main. Traveller up sheet out.
@johnlandrum46492 ай бұрын
The unspoken elephant in the room is its going to be fragile and often broken
@CanadaOceanRacing2 ай бұрын
I'll guess we'll see how it goes over the next few years. Fingers crossed that the build quality is high!
@pineapplepottery84653 жыл бұрын
Are you in Toronto? Great analysis
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Denise. I am in Collingwood.
@alexjband3 жыл бұрын
What kind of sail configurations are used to generate the reaching polars of these various boats?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
From the X2 sail crossover chart, at 90 degree TWA it's a code 0 up until about 8 knots, then it's the jib. Not sure about the other boats as I all have is their polars or tables.
@wckoek3 жыл бұрын
How do you think about the L30 class? It was adopted by a few offshore events. I would like to hear your opinion on the now dead Open 30 class as well and if it is a good choice today without regards to rating.
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
A freind of mine included the L30 in some analysis he did for this blog www.figaro24.com/2020/05/15/why-figaro-3/. Regarding an open 30 class, I understand the Farr X2 team is talking with UNCL and RORC about detuning the X2 to fit in to a class 30 OD program they are discussing for a club based initiative. The current X2 is pretty close to open 30 as not much was done for ratings. Not sure about the potential for a pure Open 30 class with one-off custom boats all over. Would be fun to see some of them though!
@wckoek3 жыл бұрын
@@CanadaOceanRacing The existing Open 30 is great for offshore, but need a different set of criteria for ocean I think. There is quite a few Open 30 on the market but couldn't find the niche to fit in. Anyway, I have been talking to the people at L30, so they confirm that they have a configuration for CE A keel while the standard version is CE B, your friend might update on that. Despite your friend's assessment, the M34 came out a failure because of many reasons.
@mikeforsyth21223 жыл бұрын
how do i email you another design to add to your list, the F33, Dibley / Forsyth design
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Feel free to email me at skicanadascott@gmail.com.
@arpaial3 жыл бұрын
Ok nice ! But how physically demanding is compared to a fast cruiser?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
The systems on the X2 are really well thought out so the loads will be very manageable. It has furling downwind sails, lazy jacks on the main and is really well set up for short handed sailing. Many fast cruisers are not set up for only one or two people to manage.
@tedhoppe59183 жыл бұрын
Why did you not compare the new Antrim 27C to the FarrX2? Basically a new faster boat, not the nice one designed in 1996? Seeing the 27C in the three bridge fiasco in 2020 - she was the fastest in her class. Second question is - with water ballast as used on the FarrX2, isnt that a rule 52 violation in non class racing? I note this as many new boats of this new generation that are being deleviered are forgoing water ballast option and skipping the complicated issue.
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ted. I didn't compare the new Antrim as I'm looking for a boat I can sail double and single handed. I understand it has a higher ballast ratio than the old Antrim but it's still not set up for solo sailing. I sailed my Antrim solo a fair bit and it was always a bit of a struggle. The 27C is sure a fast boat though! With respect to the water ballast, my understanding is that it is taken in to the rating and is not a violation of the rules. I will do some digging to see if I can find this in writing.
@tedhoppe59183 жыл бұрын
@@CanadaOceanRacing Thank you taking the time to respond. I am trying to figure things out too. Single and double handing in different regions is real tricky with the pros and cons with each boat decision. The Farr looks to be a real fun boat and i can understand why you would want something different and fast. I am planning on getting a new race boat for long distance racing with a bucket list of events to do. I am most likely being relocated to the east coast from San Francisco and want to be prepared as the lead time to have one built takes advanced notice and commitment. I look forward to following you on your journey. Maybe some day, you invite me as crew to show how special this next boat is. Have fun!
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
I'll be racing on the east coast of the US this winter and beyond. Would be fun to catch up with you at some point. Feel free to email me at sailcanadascott@gmail.com once you get situation. I found this in the ORC manual and believe other ratings view it the same: 201 Ballast, Fixtures and Equipment 201.1 The second sentence of the RRS 51 does not apply for the water ballast and/or canting keel systems and it is modified by adding non-movable items recorded in the measurement inventory (IMS B4.4). Water ballast shall be moved only transversely.
@keithmoorechannel3 ай бұрын
Cape 31?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 ай бұрын
A quick boat for sure! That said, it takes a crew of around five or more and I was looking for a boat that can be sailed shorthanded.
@NoWheyHombre Жыл бұрын
So, did your Farr X2 come in?
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Should be arriving early spring!
@andrewsumpton800 Жыл бұрын
Hello - did you get your X2 ?!
@CanadaOceanRacing Жыл бұрын
Not yet. I have been focusing on my IMOCA sailing lately and let some of the earlier builds go to others. I should be getting mine this winter!
@benjaminsutton80763 жыл бұрын
How will you move the boat around?
@CanadaOceanRacing3 жыл бұрын
Hi Benjamin. I'm assuming you're talking about on land? If so, it will come in a 40' shipping container that I will keep and when I can't move it by water I will move it by transport.
@alexandreozon89362 жыл бұрын
Comparaison ridicule… comparer des bateaux course croisière habitable avec un pur course complètement épuré n’a aucun sens… et on verra son rating IRC… alors comparer des choses comparables et vous paraîtrez plus malin 🤔
@CanadaOceanRacing2 жыл бұрын
Hi Alexandre. Thanks for your comment. I don't believe any of the boats in my comparison are race-cruisers. I believe they are all in the same class as the Farr X2 - double handed ocean racers. I would be interested to hear the particulars of why you may think differently. Thanks.
@nicolaspopp Жыл бұрын
Alex, on a side note, do you have an opinion on the competitivity of the 3330 under ORC?
@alexandreozon8936 Жыл бұрын
@@CanadaOceanRacing partez une semaine en croisière avec et vous verrez que les bateaux ne sont pas comparables…