Lol

...he’s out to destroy the, because.... he liked it- lol

He may be just touched!! LOL

It touched our hearts and his -ahem- never mind

He was probably using his high-end AR and got outshot by an old dude with a lever.

lmao

hilarious!

Best comment today

You're the best

But they do give you a +20 reload speed.

''faster than a bolt gun'' I somewhat doubt this especially if you factor in reloads. A K31 or other straight pull could smoke a lever gun in a mad minute imo.

@@oscarkilby4033 Yes. If you cut up what I actually said and turn it into something else, you're right. However, given that I didn't say what you quoted me as saying, you don't really have a point.

@@TheCharleseye '' They're faster to chamber than a bolt gun'' ''They have higher capacity than a bolt gun'' these are all supposed to imply you can put more rounds down range faster with a lever gun than a bolt gun. That's the point I was addressing. Unless you mean chamber from an open action only in which case a straight pull or regular bolt gun is going to be just as fast if not faster than a lever action regardless.

@@oscarkilby4033 I highly doubt even a straight pull bot rifle could ever match the speed of a lever action.

@@supremecaffeine2633 note how I said mad minute, that Includes reloads and a levergun firing a .303 or comparable round to a k31 (for example) will not have the additional capacity to outpace a k31 under those conditions.

So they are fun but not practical.

Robert W realistically they are just as practical as any other gun

@Rose they are practical for 99% of uses outside of a combat zone.

COWBOY INTENSIFIES

Yeehaw

I agree completely I am left handed and like using lever guns better than bolt actions

Funny 'smart guy' didn't think of that one?!

I too am left handed. Removing my right hand to cycle the bolt is a pain and lefty guns are expensive! I carried my model 94 in 30-30 this last season and I love the low weight and adequate power. I'm not going to take 400 yard shots on deer.

That's exactly why I like lever guns. The first centerfire rifle I ever shot was a pre-64 Winchester 94 in 30-30. Another thing he failed to mention is the 9+1 capacity of the 94. My left handed Savage 111 only holds 4+1.

yep the choice of lefties sucks. I got all levers.

Oh look! A hater of someone else's preference of firearms. Such a rare and exotic species you are.

right honestly

i have nothing against any Mauser, im just tired of seeing videos where everything is compared to bolt guns

Actually, he's not wrong. In terms of capacity, cartridge power, and rifle size, levers are outclassed by semis and bolts in every category. The only reason that levers are still so popular is that they are the only option for revolver cartridge lovers as pistol-chambered carbines.

+EngineeringWizard11 of course a semi out classes a lever action

exactly

I hate power windows, while probably younger than anyone else in this comment section.

I loathe Tesla interior and exterior door handles. One can hold onto a factory handle, but if your hanging off a cliff and need to grab on to something well your sh*t out of luck cause you'll slide right down (the exterior handles are flat). The interior handle is so well hidden, a friend of mine whose had the car for three yrs now only just discovered it because I was screwing around. There is also a button, but what happens when the battery dies and you don't know where the handle is.

He really isn't, action strength is important in a gun for the sake of using ballistically superior rounds. There are plenty of disadvantages to lever guns vs bolt guns, do they have some advantages? yes, do they outnumber the advantages of bolt guns? no.

Headless Thompson Gunner rotating bolts and better locking mechanisms that r equivalent to bolt actions have been developed in the past, just because a lot don’t have that doesn’t mean the best lever actions aren’t on par with bolt actions

@@oscarkilby4033 lol you ridiculous .....modern lever guns are chambered in the same rounds as most bolts : Browning BLR Learn your shit bruh. You look silly. The Browning 1892 action is probably far stronger than a rotating bolt. It is virtually impossible to destroy two giant slabs of steel. Dopey. Bolt guns are more accurate , levers are MUCH faster to fire repeatedly for MOST shooters . They are also inherently ambi..... The ONLY advantage to a modern bolt over a MODERN lever for the vast majority of shooters is: SLIGHLY improved accuracy .

@@roonbare2769 False, Rotating bolt has more locking surface hence lays the pressure on larger area thus reducing the stress on metal. Second point might be valid but I argue the speed gained on firing speed in general when levers lose more time in the loading vs the bolts with clips. You might get bullets flying in more "speedy" manner from lever but you are bound to lose when reloading starts.

@@oscarkilby4033 ever heard of a Henry All-Weather?

Matthew cochran agreed fuck Phuds

Matthew cochran I agree with you.

Matthew cochran niether di most actual combat veterans I know

I totally agree with you.

Exactly different strokes for different folks

Now that I think about it, a Model 1887 would be a decent home defender if you don't want a big pump action or something.

+Confusing Cube a 300 grain 45-70 govt in an 18.5" barrel is a crushing round on meat. Bear, moose, deer, elk, bison, carabou, and 2 legged predators all fall to that classic round

They fit great in a scabbard behind the seat of a pickup.

+The Immortal Don't use fucking .45-70 for self defense, that's goddamn reckless.

how is it reckless? he didnt say he was using it for home defense. its no more dangerous through a wall than a .308 or 9mm.

I'll admit this, I'm a mark 23 fan boy myself...

Moma said” the best gun was the one you can get to first “

KAC.

@@coffee5605 me too. But i like these too

me in the corner with my AR-7 and 995TS.

LoneWanderer360 he’s analyzing it as a firearm, it’s a pathetic, inefficient firearm, it doesn’t matter if you need to, using a lever means you can’t, period

Hoss Ironvein oh yeah ok, I’m glad your one, very questionable, experience speaks for every species of bear Very funny

Hoss Ironvein holy fuck, that was brutal, and absolutely hilarious

The Looinrims It fires .45-70, can share ammo with revolvers, is easiest to reload for (second only to shotguns), and its straight stock makes it easier to pack and go through thick brush with. It’s the perfect bush pilot’s gun.

The Looinrims that pathetic firearm won the west though didn’t it

Just go all out and buy a Henry in 45-70

Bully for you ol' man! I met a fella back in Carolina some years back who got one in .35 Rem. (back in the eighties/nineties when you could find them every where) and said he never bothered taking any of his other guns out to hunt afterwards.

yep-you gotta be chef to make a turkey like this

@@gateway833 those are ass

Me to

Peter Kriz but muh bolt actions

I couldn't have said it better. If the lever gun design didn't work, they wouldn't have caught on. And they wouldn't still be around if they weren't still useful.

Best reply yet...

the pointy end doesn't have any effect in brush lol.

except you can get a BLR or Savage 99 for long range work, LOL

2023 The Lever Actions are still pertinent and even more than 20 yrs ago. 1) Do you need a quick repeater but you cannot own a semi or full auto rifle ? Lever has your back. 2) Do you need a Bison or Bear gun ? Lever has your back. This review shows the weakness of theoretical constructs and avoids the need of the momment. Mission parameters drive the choice of tools. To the KZfaqr who made this video: What was your mission in the first place - you didn't tell us in this video so we assume that you don't even know what you were supposed to be doing; douche meister.

Alex did state the flaws of the 30-30 round does not come from its power, or lack there of, alone. Going by what he quoted Nathaniel F., it's a round that's the size of a .308 but with the power of 7.62x39; in other words, a large round without that much power (for its size).

22LR exists because of cost and LACK of power, if you could buy 5.56 for the same price I'm sure you would see it almost fade out as well.

.30-30 has a little more power than 7.62x39 at the muzzle, but it loses this shockingly quickly. By 60 yards or so, the 7.62x39 is outperforming it, even with lighter bullets. That's not to say it's unsuitable for deer or anything, but in today's world of relatively expensive lever-actions (compared to 7.62x39 and .308 guns, even new ones), there's little reason to bother with the caliber.

Nathaniel F So, do you think that if somebody came out with a rimmed 7.62x39 and a lever action chambered for it it would be a good thing? Or maybe somehow adapt a lever action to safely accept 7.65x39.

No because lever actions kind of blow in my opinion. Just buy a CZ 527, and have a gun that's lighter, more reliable, way easier to clean, way more accurate, way easier to unload, way handier, and cheaper.

This is the channel with the 1911 haters. They are glock fanboys!

@@Magisktification **cough** James Reeves **cough**

1911, love 'em!!!!!!

Excellent point

It’s not so much the 1911 it’s the fans. If you guys would just appreciate them as the piece of history they are instead of telling me why there the best handgun ever because they wOn tWo WoRlD WaRs I would enjoy them.

Daymian Ricca this has been a age old argument and it’s sad to see people still buying into it

I actually laughed out loud.

lmao

heehee , that's freaking hilarious, 😂

that would be funny

That was funny

Harold Leicester good cause I hope he wasn't serious with this video but out here in the northern part of Wisconsin and I think most of the country but I'll stick with my neck of the woods 30-30 lever guns have been used to kill more deer than any other caliber and most people have switched to rem 700s in various calibers I and a quite a few other people love lever guns and still use them. Basically don't listen to him they're great guns

Same here I won't the Henry h010 4570

Harold Leicester I have henry all weather for 45-70 but that’s because it’s illegal to hunt with a 30-30 in Ohio

You might wanna go for a Winchester or Marlin, they're WAY faster to load

*Tips hat* Yupp.

I always shot my Red Rider as a kid.

NOPE BOLT GUNS ARE DA BEST

35mm Autocannons for the win!

assault rifles? You have some full auto rifles do you?

I prefer the 150-grain out of the 30-30.

+Claude Herbert I load 150's on my Dillon. More than adequate. Much more than an AK.

Burt Hulbert jsyk the ak47/SKS/galil round is 7.62x39

Arviss -csgo yes though I believe there are other calibers too.

Arviss right

Well articulated point but its uncanny seeing this from someone with an anime pfp

wrong

Lets suppose that it did in fact compete better. Okay, now take apart and clean them. How much longer did it take for your lever again?

@jamel jay This is the most well structured, well thought out comment I’ve ever seen /s

@@mrasray7622 Lever gun are complex mecanic ! Just try it whive a 94 or a Marlin & check the reality .

@@jameljay2183 nice grammar

Spitzers didn't exist when it was designed. But they were used as guard guns in WWI and went to Britain in WWII. This is a silly click bait video so Alex can drum up some views and comments.

"30-30 was ahead of its time" "Lever guns are easy to maintain and clean" s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/33/40/0f33404e614ffad772cb4abbaeadc5ef.jpg

I say that 30-30 was ahead of its time because it is very comparable to 7.62x39 but it had a 50 year start. Also it was one of the first cartridges to be purpose built for smokeless powder, that is pretty cutting edge. On maintenance; one only needs to oil the action just like a bolt gun, much simpler than most semi-auto maintenance schedules.

I think you mean outdated or outmoded; obsolete would imply they are no longer in use but I can confirm that I have personally used one in the last few months.

Magickaldood .30-30 was the first commercial cartridge to be designed for smokeless powder, but that was nearly a decade after military cartridges were designed for smokeless, and Winchester couldn't even design the .30-30 to be very high pressure because the actions wouldn't support that. So it's lame and late to the party on that one. As for being comparable to 7.62x39... Well, lots of rounds from that period are as comparable to 7.62x39 as .30-30 is, but we don't keep using them because time moves on and things become obsolete. Not .30-30 though, because people keep wanting to look like John Wayne and will pay Marlin $550 for a cast piece of crap to that end. Taking a part the normal lever-actions (94, 336) is a giant pain in the butt. Bolt-action disassembly, in comparison, is basically a two-step process. So if your idea of "maintenance" is just squirting CLP into the action every few months on a shooting schedule of tens of rounds a year, then OK, but any actual maintenance is a much bigger chore with a lever gun than a bolt or semiauto.

LOL Freedom Fries!

Somebody let all the game & bad guys that were taken out over the centuries with lever guns that they can come back from the dead now. It didn't count because they weren't taken with Type-A gun using Type-C ammo.

Lever tech has come a long way from speedloaders to modern levers like the Henry Long Ranger that solves the tube problem by replacing it with a removable box mag which pretty much removes the faster reload and pointy rounds advantage from the bolt actions.

I love lever guns so please take this somewhere else far away

Guns with JTDFIRE And if there is more than one target? Does it just kill itself to save you the trouble?

So the only time you are firing from prone is medium to long range? What if I am hunting woodchucks with a .22LR? If I want to shoot prone I have to be 150m out? You are very silly, and lets keep it family friendly

It all depends on the situation, in this case woodchucks are my target, the weapon I am using is light in weight, and recoil, a bolt version would be fine in prone, a lever version not as much so. But perhaps a powerful bolt action, like a 30-06, I might lose sight picture when I fire, but with training, you can keep the recoil from messing up your sights, but a lever gun from the prone will prevent you from doing this ever. There are draw backs to both types. Basically all lever guns let you keep a sight picture while cycling the action from any position, except prone, not all bolt actions allow this, but you can cycle a bolt from any position. But as you say, self defense? From 150 yards? That might be a tough sell in a court room. And in combat, no one uses lever guns, because semi, and full auto is a thing, so realistically, it's a what if/so what question, if I am to be perfectly fair.

I would dubious of the effectiveness of an angled sight on a lever gun for prone shooting.

Well, if it's volume over accuracy, why bother with the sight, just use the muzzle like a bead on a shotgun, and slam away?

Did you even watch the footage afterwards where he pumps rounds downrange that way more powerful then normal lever-action rifle rounds?

***** That reason was cost, not effectiveness. If weapons were adopted based solely on effectiveness, I suspect that clip-fed Winchester 1895s would have caught on rather well. Most folks who don't make a habit of spending time in warzones will not need to reload in a defensive shooting. Therefore, the ability quickly fire a low-recoil round beats out the ability to use stripper clips of often-dubious reliability. Even if reloading is necessary, thumbing rounds into a loading gate is often easier than using stripper clips, and does not force the user to take the weapon out of action for reloading.

Nice flag, reminds me of Polk's Corp's flag.

thats only in 30-30 but you would be nuts to say to standard bolt action rounds ie 308, 243 or god forbid the 223, with my 70 I might not have the range of those rounds but at a 100 yards I can drop like I hit them with a sledge hammer and I can fire it faster than any human would want to even dare try and one handed none the less.

You are comparing apples to oranges when you compare competition shooters to the average guy. How about this instead: the lever action is faster in the hands of the average person compared to a bolt action in the same hands of that same average person......

That's a great analogy. You can get a new Honda Accord for about the same price as a good '68 Camaro, and no one should argue that the Accord is the better car. But if its not your daily driver and you can afford it, have the garage space, the ability to maintain it, and its what you want, by all means get the hot rod. I think Alex did come on way too strong, I would have preferred to hear "If you can only afford one rifle... lever guns suck"

Fantastic analogy!

+vachief cars from the 60s are in no way as reliable as modern cars, not even close.

You have a reliable MGB!? I'm impressed! I own one and it's not been the most reliable thing; I still love it though. It has been much more reliable than my 68 Firebird though in the little cars defense.

***** You clearly know how to set one of these up! I had the Webber, I wasn't about to mess with those SU's. However, I didn't do any of the other things you mentioned. I was slowly working my way around the wiring loom fixing problems. Parts of the loom were butchered when I got it. A few years back I started working on swapping in a Chevy V6 and sadly it still sits where I started it. I'm determined to get it up and running again, life just got in the way.

I'd like to see you on horseback

My Winchester model 94 is the only rifle I'd consider carrying while on horseback. I also carry my .45lc but that's a no-brainer

Operating a bolt gun on horseback isn't difficult if you are comfortable standing in the saddle. Whether sitting still or at a full gallop, it's easy to do with a little practice. On the other hand, a trotting horse and trying to shoot is almost impossible to do with any accuracy.

LOL, in WW1 a lot of armies used bolt action from horseback.

@@TheCrnic Check out the movie "Breaker Morant" about the Bushveld Caboniers(if I spelled that correctly) from Australia the English employed in south Africa against the Boer uprising. .303 a la horse.

hahahahahaha!!!!! Best reply ever.

Ryan Jarrad but there's no such thing as a wrong opinion... That's why it's called an opinion.

@@CAJfur /r/whooooooosh

Elijah Rivera how exactly did it go over my head.

@@CAJfur The comment is a joke. And you didn't seem to get the joke.

Elijah Rivera alright fair enough, rather it's a joke or not I was just saying though.

Imagine thinking like this when lots of his comparisons are referring to old bolt guns like the lebel and action strength. Especially when action strength is pretty important for higher pressure ammo etc.

Hunting with guns is for boys, men hunt with bows

@@v4sdude191 hunting with bows is for men,hunting with spears is for chads

@@YingHobbies Y'all pussys. I hunt with my *teeth!*

Fudd

RamblerTurbo nice reference 👌

The dude abides

Bolt actions aren't obsolete in the slightest, neither are revolvers. Double barrels have a use for clay shooting (though are mostly irrelevant as defensive guns) and single shots have a use in being fairly cheap and available as ''truck guns'' or beater guns (though are irrelevant as defensive firearms)

@Jimmy S just get a left handed bolt gun lmao and no it isn't. You can use higher pressure cartridges with better ballistics with a bolt gun

@Jimmy S given that I am infact right handed, no I haven't.

@@oscarkilby4033 The Browning BLR and Henry Long Ranger would like to know your location.

@@oscarkilby4033 but firing through brush even light brush can effect those faster lighter rounds its the slow and heavier rounds that are more effective when going through cover if you hunt in big open areas then awesome but most the hunting ive done my farthest shot is 125 yards and through light or heavy brush

You got it. I'm a southpaw; bolt guns don't work for me in general and I really have no intention of owning more than the one I already have.

I'm a collector, so I've got a number of bolt guns, but cycling them is a challenge for me. The easiest is my Krag Jorgensen sporter--living up to its reputation. Someday, I'll get a left-handed bolt gun, but they're always more expensive.

I concur. I found out near the end of my military career, that while I'm right handed, I'm left-eye dominant. So I had to learn to shoot a long-arm left handed in order to improve my marksmanship (such as it is). I do fine with magazine-fed weapons, but trying to cycle the bolt-action weapons I inherited from my dad was too difficult for me. I gave away the bolt-actions to other members of my family, but kept the lever actions, and even acquired a couple more since his passing.

You make me facepalm. They are painful to load off handed, and I am left eye dominant, right handed, and I decided to shoot with my right because of how many more guns do that. Once more, nobody is talking about magnums, and there hasn't been a tech improvement that can bring animals and people withing 50m every time, either.

Painful? No, not really. Your technique may be off. Also, virtually all lever gun chamberings are effective out to at least 100m. Coincidentally, the vast majority of game taken is shot within 100m or less. Want to reach out further? LeverEvolution, .308MX/.338MX, Savage 99, or a BLR.

Ben I realize this is a year-old comment, but man did you hit the nail on the head. Phenomenal job, sir.

He did begin the video saying “but damn if they don’t suck...”

That wasn't his point. His point was comparing bolt guns to levers in a more practical or military scenario.

Exactly. I hunt deer with a 1911, a home made longbow, and a 1903A3 with the original sights. It's about the challenge.

and i carry a WW2 Inland M1 carbine on the farm every day.. Milsurp FMJ leaves two .30 cal sized holes in rabbits, sure i could use my full barrel length suppressed .22 thats the same length and has a decent optic and is a lot cheaper to shoot (joy of living in NZ, bought that rifle like i would any other gun cause suppressors aren't restricted at all here). But the carbine is much more fun to use.

So you are upset he doesn't like something, that is only good for looks alone?

This is kinda the point. I'm a noob so can't offer anything on the lever action debate but cool they are. I use film cameras because of human control of the process and imagine the in hand appeal of levers may be awesome. Chuck Connors made it look facile anyway. Just a noob here, don't shoot me.

I hunt deer with a Kar98K. Mildot reticles and laser rangefinders and night vision and Tracking Point and whatever else simply aren't sporting. I still like lever guns though.

Yep. Stupid comparison.

If it’s a non hi point firearm I like it

just look at all the comments in this video and you'll spot a bunch of assholes, hell, conservatives complain that liberals are easily offended and look at how many people (most likely conservatives) were offended with this video and bothered enough to angrily comment how he is wrong and they are right... hilarious...

+LibertyPrime1982 Well... yeah.

"This aggression will not stand" love The big lebowski. I hope that's what you're referencing. Otherwise I'm gonna look like an idiot. But that's typical! Lol.

No offense but since pretty much all modern bolt action rifle have box magazine options the slight advantage lever actions have in terms of speed when it comes to chambering a round, is completely shot once you have to reload.

@@Terminalsanity lever actions have box mags now.. henry long ranger and browning blr

+Terminalsanity you let me know how many bad guys are going to take more than 2 rounds to put down with a .30-30 in center of mass. Unlike handgun calibers these rifles WILL CAUSE SHOCK.

@@cultofmalgus1310 abosulutely. lever guns are not a joke.

I find myself even disagreeing with Cooper on a good scout rifle. I find the Marlin 336W to be a more "all purpose" rifle in 30-30 than a bolt action in .308? In an urban SHTF/zombie apocalypse.....?

By 1894 everyone had bolt actions, why switch to a firearm type that offers no advantages?

@@TheAlexagius cheaper to manufacture , cheaper to purchase , cheaper to maintain , cheaper to modify . Bolt guns are very simple machines . Military adopted them for their lower cost and simpler function (easier to train soldiers to clean it ) . These surplus rifles then ended up on the civilian market . The non tubular magazine levergun (manlicher style magazine) outperforms the boltgun in every respect except for "possibly" firing while prone for some sissy sized dudes. In short: cost and logistics is why.

@@roonbare2769 I know why bolt guns were adopted, cost and logistics are a thing, but the main reason was timing. Bolt actions predate the rimfire cartridge (with the needle rifles) so already has a military presence when centrefire black powder rounds became the norm. At the time lever actions were in pistol rounds, which militaries of the time did not want for front line infantry. So smokeless powder comes about and by 1894 everyone pretty much has a bolt gun in a smokeless chambering. So why in 1894 would you adopt a lever gun? That’s the big issue, if you have a rifle already why would you spend huge amounts to switch system to something that is worse; got to remember in the 19th century there is no lever gun with a packet loading system exists, that alone is a reason to dismiss the lever gun for frontline military use. No idea what lever action had a “manlicher style magazine”, even if it existed what can it do that a straight pull cannot? " The non tubular magazine levergun outperforms the boltgun in every respect except for "possibly" firing while prone for some sissy sized dudes." - Such as what? They reload more slowly (outside of the ~WW1 era 1895s which came way too late for use outside of the WW1 demand for anything that shoots) and they don’t shoot any faster in full power chamberings; at least not effectively, if at all faster, for most people.

@@TheAlexagius again your information is inaccurate ....you keep assuming things that are not true. Again you are adled by your lack of understanding : thinking all leverguns are tube fed mags . They are / were not. Several winchester models fired full power spitzer (pointy bullets ) loaded from stripper clips in the top of the action . In fact boltguns copied this from manlicher who was in turn copied by Winchester . Again....MOST is not ALL shooters given the same hours of practice with each rifle , WILL fire followups with a levergun MUCH faster than even a strait pull bolt (hence why its not even a thing anymore) . You can kid yourself all you want, boltguns are now, and always will be MUCH slower than leverguns on repeating fire . Only someone with ZERO to NO time operating both actions would even question that. Modern leverguns with gear driven rotating bolts, box mags, and free floated barrels , such as the browning blr, and the henery long range... ARE superior to boltguns in EVERY respect accept perhaps some "slightly " increased accuracy . Though both are very fine accuracy out to 800 , boltguns are just very very fine accuracy . So please , stop making yourself look silly. Not all leverguns are tube fed single round loaders, and haven't been for a hundred years . The savage model 99 was an insanely popular rifle over half a century ago (floated barrel, box fed, 300 savage "pointy bullet " caliber). The fact you probably have no knowledge of these very common leverguns reveals : you have no practical application, youngin, you just blowin smoke.

@@TheAlexagius The most popular deer hunting rifle in his unity is the Winnie 94

So uh Where are the fakes? The lies? The opinions I hear facts more than anything, but I mean that’s why you didn’t say any of the supposed stupid opinions

The presenters lack of knowledge was astounding. He threw out a few terms and facts to make himself look knowledgeable. It was obvious he did not understand that guns are tools. He clearly did not understand the wide ranges of conditions different tools (guns, calibers of guns, & different kinds of ammunition) can and would be utilized.

Exactly. Different guns have different uses for different people.

Maybe not prone, but maybe laid across a truck hood, table

Brandon Ebaugh Just move the gun to the side or kick it up a bit. It shouldn't take you more than a half a second to re aim

cause your the type of guy who goes to "tactical" milsurp bolt competitions. like, it doesnt sound like it should be a thing. but the guy who made the vid makes it sound like its a thing. im guessing the real challenge at these things is figuring out if its mark or mike on the working side of the glory hole. "yeah, work that bolt mike, erm, mark"

Its a more stable shooting position than standing. There's at least one reason. Now with regards to the whole operating the action i'm inclined to think while prone it isn't significantly more difficult than a bolt gun however there is a point about having to change body position etc.

Well played sir, well played indeed

Shit, I forgot!

TFB TV Pretty much how the comments section is on KZfaq and the rest of the internet.

+TFB TV Hey... I like your opinion.

I don't think people are scoffing at his opinion, rather that he states his opinions like facts. The only fact I heard in the video was that it is harder to operate a lever action in prone than a bolt action which is due to design. The rest was opinion. In my opinion the lever action is almost twice as fast to shoot, the 30-30 caliber is not dead as it is keeps deer meat in the freezer and as a fact the 30-30 delivers 1900 ft lbs as compared to 1500 ft lbs of out of the 7.62x39. In my opinion its easier to carry a lever action as it is shorter, and thinner than most bolt guns in the brush of the south east.

watch Longmire

I would love to see a cop with a leaver action against a criminal with a kriss vector, im sure it would be lots of fun , for the criminal

+Ben Peters I literally LOLd

because a million misses with kriss vector is worth so much more than one hit with a 30-30.

You can take a lot more hits to body armor from a Kris Vector than you can a 45-70.

Honestly there is no reason to use a lever gun over an AR as a home defense gun in 2019. Even in antigun states semi auto is a huge advantage over manual action.

Ogre King has spoken

Part of appreciating history is understanding its place; I think Alex does that in the video. He notes the lever-action's place in history, and takes it from there. If we're being honest, lever-actions primarily persist because of the Hollywood Western films that prominently featured them. We don't see, for example, large demand for Trapdoor or Rolling Block clones or lookalikes, even though the lever-action is on a fundamental level just as obsolete as those designs. So what's "disappointing" about calling a spade a spade? Not indulging this Hollywood-born idea that the lever-action is just as relevant today as it was in 1860? Or just that someone likes different guns than you do?

So he hates tube fed shotguns for the same reason? They can not be fed from a Stripper Clip either. They too must be a loaded through a gate. You run a Lever Action just like you run a tactical shotgun... Only carrying your ammo on the Strong Side instead of the Weak Side. You Load as you Go. Now - if he's talking about a Henry Lever Action - well - then I agree. I dislike Henry rifles. Because of it's truly poor loading manual. But Winchester, Marlin, and now Mossberg are viable rifle even in these modern times. You just have to get used to how they run. Just like you would with a Bolt Gun... especially any bolt gun that's fed from a stripper clip.

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Kinda sad that you guys are stooping to James Yeager Yankee Marshall levels of Clickbating. And then basically saying that everyone that disagrees is emotional and ignorant. I guess that's the most disappointing thing.

Most of these are 600 plus what do you mean affordable haha

8mm Mauser $40, 30-30 Winchester $20 Prices of modern bolt guns 550$ Prices of lever guns $625 You save more money in the long run with a lever.

I got my marlin 45-70 for about 500 if I recall a really good price I believe they go for 700 to 1000 dollars

To my knowledge all bullets suffer severe deflection when fired through debris / brush, doesn’t matter if they’re flat tip.

So cheap….

Mshark That’s a perfect analogy.

Well it is a bias.

I smell a gay

Yeah. The first "real" gun I shot (aside from .22 and maybe .222 Rem.) was my dad's Marlin .45-70 and man did it kick. But well. It was fun!

Shoulder tore up by a 3030? Are you you a piece of paper lmao

Rick Chacon I was thinking the same thing

no he was a kid.

My first thought when I read this was that you had bern shot in the shoulder with a 30 30 as a kid.

Alex also doesn't like the glocks, because they're "boring". It's seems that handguns needs to be fun, but rifles can only be practical…

Lever guns are not difficult to shoot prone. Pumps are a different story, but figuring out a good manual of arms for a lever gun takes about fifteen minutes and a couple snap caps.

+qianzhou lou Never said that about Glocks.

+TFB TV my bad, you only said "boring"~ Anyway, great channel willing to share your opinion!

They don't like lever actions for all the reasons in the video, not just because they are "fun". The round is useless. I will vouch for that, as I grew up hunting with a lever action 30/30, and honestly it sucks. the cartridge just isn't well made, and around here 30/30 is the onl;y lever action I've ever even seen or used. Mostly everyone now has switched over to tactical shotguns for home defense and the AR or AK platform. Although for hunting I now use the R700.

Good, the lever action love is unwarranted, and while fun to shoot at the range they don't have any purpose that every other action does better, heck even the pump action rifle makes more sense than the lever action and that's pretty much a dead concept (as it should be) only resurging thanks to BS laws.

All good buddy. To each his own. I love lever guns, but don't like nor do I own any bolt guns anymore.🇺🇸🔫👍

Ya darn right it is. However, you did bring up some good points. That being said, my .30-30 lever gun is my go to gun.

I like lever guns because they are fun. Would I want to use one for any specific use other than a deer rifle? Probably not. But then again any gun is better than no gun when it comes to defense of any kind.

Its just a fun gun to shoot nothin really more now

@General lee yes

but he’s not. He’s comparing guns to guns.

michaelkeha why is comparing to different types of guns not valid? He’s comparing two different types of rifles that have both been used in the military and hunting.

WhippedSauce it's an unfair comparison due to the relative age of both gun types and their different applications in this case you are basically compairing as close range rapid fire rifle with a long range rifle they have different uses and thus are built differnetly given most combat situations a lever action would have seen the shooter was on his feet or at most crouching and keeping on site with your target isn't needed the issues he brings up aren't issues the gun was made to deal with this is basically complaining a sub machine gun isn't performing as well as a lee enfield rifle at long range

Compare apples to mah dick

WhippedSauce ok you spastic, he’s basically comparing bream to tuna. Both fish both do the same thing but one is obviously more evolved than the other that’s the point he’s making

I have not owned an AK-47. What will happen if a person fires an AK-47 prone? I am guessing the gun is going to bounce around, right?

BullittMcQueen I am guessing here but I think he is referring to the 30 round curved magazine sticking out of the AK's guts. Real hard to shoot prone. I have owned 2 and got rid of them both.However my Marlin 336 in the dead 30-30 caliber is still with me, go figure. You can shoot the AR from prone but anything more than a 20 round mag is going to interfere. I like the fact that he is down talking the lever action about shooting prone but the 30 rounder he has in the Smith and Wesson is also going to give him issues prone firing.

Good point. I do not care for this guy in the video. His reasoning seems flawed. That is why I will not subscribe to the channel.

Grim Exactly, lol

+BullittMcQueen1 The mag gets in the way as well, same with an AR or any semi auto with a magazine.

AMEN! Love the lever-action rifle. As a lefty, the only rifle that I know for certain that I can shoot without hunting for a scarce left handed version.

Brian Isaacs same here

Left handedness drove me into the arms of lever guns and I've come to love my Marlin 1895

Yup - I’m a lefty looking for a lever action. Love the Browning BLR.

+Rajbir Dhadda Are you new to this channel? Rails and magpul shit cause cancer.

*TFB hates lever guns because they aren't mausers

Rajbir Dhadda of course

lame video

Rajbir Dhadda he likes old milsurp cnr guns so ur comment is irrelevant

Luke Rhode he is respecting better guns

Well considering that lever guns were completely replaced by bolt actions everywhere...

daylon boender dude... just... bro... that's cold. Accurate... but cold.

Clickbait? It is titled "Why I don't Like Lever Actions" and then I... you know.... explain why I don't like lever actions.

Well clickbait might be a bit harsh but you know what i mean. You seem to specifically search out topics that will draw negative attention. Like who in the hell actually dislikes Mosins? For the price you pay.. good luck finding another rifle that usable. Is it as well built as say a.. Mauser? No, but for 3 - 10 times the cost it better be better.

sgthl You can find yugo mausers for under $250. I bought two from JG Sales for $220 a year or so ago.

While your points are all valid Alex, you have to admit that the title of this video is a bit inflammatory to an American audience. Own one or not, the lever gun is iconic and has a special place in the heart of most American shooters. You might as well have made a video called "Why I think American Bald Eagles Should be Turned into Cat Food." And it's not a _Lonesome Dove_ thing, by the way; I was thinking more Chuck Connors in _The Rifleman_ :D

TFB TV is no stranger to clickbait titles for sure, but honestly this one is pretty tame - it's not as if he called it 'Why Lever Actions are Useless and Anyone Who Says Otherwise is a Moron;' he just says he doesn't like them. If that's inflammatory to an American audience, then we as a nation need a major reality check. One of the things that made America great was freedom to disagree, in thought and practice, with prevailing thought. If those days are over, even among firearm enthusiasts, then we don't deserve a great America.

That's the fallacy of the argument from popularity. Saying that something is popular doesn't mean that it is better.

But then again, the bolt action fanboys here are making a fallacious argument from features. Just because something has all sorts of nifty features doesn’t mean IT is necessarily better either. After all, those fancy features may be utterly irrelevant to what you’re actually doing. So it is with bolt guns. What REALLY matters in a hunting gun is a cartridge powerful enough to kill what you’re shooting at, in a gun that’s accurate enough to reliably kill the game you’re shooting at, at the range you’re shooting from. For most people, the game is deer, which has a vital area (heart and lungs) 9 inches in diameter. And the average distance a deer is shot at is 80 yards. At those ranges, any decently made rifle or carbine-at any price point, of any action type, shooting nearly any centerfire cartridge, and using any style of sights-is more than adequate to do what needs to be done to kill the game, even at twice or three times the range. So any differences between them, though they may seem significant to the bystander unfamiliar with the actual task at hand, are not enough to matter appreciably in the final summation.

powerdog242 see, here's the thing though. Yeah, lever actions are good enough. But that doesn't defeat the argument that the bolt gun is superior. Here's the proof: the military still uses bolt guns, but never any lever guns. The lever gun really only beats the bolt gun by speed, but not by enough to make up for all of its other shortcomings to the bolt gun. For that, you have semi auto rifle. I'm not saying that lever guns aren't great in their own right, nor that you are wrong for prefering bolt guns over lever guns. And sure, 90 percent of what a person would need a rifle for, a lever gun would do just fine. But a bolt gun is still objectively superior overall. You may not ever need a bolt gun to get the job done, but it's still better. Face it, the main reason why people like lever guns over bolt guns is because of the old west fanboyism and the subjective preference for the lever action feel. That's not a bad thing, it just doesn't make lever guns better than bolt guns.

ShadeSlayer1911: Are you saying there are no “wet dreams” among the bigger-is-better crowd? Surely you jest.

Popular =\= Better. That being said, you don't own a lever action because they're state of the art, you own one because they're classic and iconic. They're popular for a reason.