Amen we are not perfect. No one is perfect.

Isnt that works salvation? Even if you do just a small part?

. . . except for Matthew 5:48, to wit: "Be ye perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect"

@@normanhavens8982 the verse is talking about loving your enemies

Jesus is the Word of God, not the book that changes over the centuries.

Praise the Lord

I love your comments

Can we be friends

Sure

Church of christ is correct

Did you find a home? Praying for you. Children raised in intolerance spend their lives sorting through the damage done to their tender minds.

M M Yes. Thanks to angels and God. The government that I paid 50% taxes to most of my career, didn’t help me at all. So don’t trust the government but trust God and him alone.

Jesus appeared to you? on a white robe? was this in a dream or you saw him live in person?

thomas okonkwo I was awake. He appeared to me as a right light. Very bright but not blinding. I felt complete unconditional love envelope me that I never felt before.

Since those of us who were from the CoC never learned the truth about the Holy Spirit in the first place, we were the most prone to every kind of deception under the sun, which is why many end up going from the frying pan into the fire...which is sadly what much of this testimony sounds like..... Jesus "appearing in a great white light" ??

Well said.

@@leeisenberg Can you please explain how the thief on the cross was REALLY saved, according to Hebrews 4:2, which equates the O.T. gospel with the N.T. gospel?

@@christrescuedme2182 Good question, all are saved by grace through faith just like the book says, but the thief on the cross was a very special exception. Only 2 men were crucified w/ Jesus & I understand that only 1 was saved by the generous grace of Jesus on that significant day. We don't have that specific opportunity, but our conversions are typically more like the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 when we study w/ someone & learn more about the gospel. Many baptists & probably others often refer to the thief on the cross, but it was such a special rare exception, so I would Not choose that example when studying w/ someone. There are very basic requirements that we may not even think about sometimes, they're just given. Some are mentioned in Acts 2, 8 & other places. The 2nd 1/2 of Saul's conversion to Paul mentions several. But most all the examples mention: hearing the word/gospel, belief, repentance, confession & baptism all done w/ at least 1 or more witnesses. Just basic requirements, then staying the course or "finishing the race" like Paul said in 2nd Timothy 4:7. Hope that answers your question. - take care

@@leeisenberg SO GLAD you brought up the Ethiopian eunuch!! For Acts 8:26-40 is ALSO intrinsically interconnected with Hebrews 4:2 and its parallel passages ( Isaiah 53:1, John. 12:38, Romans 3:29-30; 10:16 and Galatians 3:6-8)!! This is definitely not a coincidence!! God’s divine intervention is exactly what we see in Acts 8 with the Ethiopian eunuch and Philip. Its reference to Isaiah 53 pertains to all that Philip expounded upon to the Ethiopian concerning salvation. Since Scripture interprets Scripture, we find in all these parallel Scriptures a treasure trove concerning what the gospel truly is. it was only by God’s divine providence that Philip even showed up on the scene, just in time to explain the report of Isaiah 53 to the eunuch. There are no random coincidences in God’s created order!! According to Isaiah, John and Paul, the “report” of Isaiah 53 was nothing less than the pure and unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ, with nothing added to it. NOTICE: Isaiah, John and Paul NEVER equated water baptism with obeying the gospel (Rom. 10:16), because the gospel of Jesus Christ does NOT include man’s own contributions. The sum and substance of the entire gospel is simply Christ and Him crucified (1 Cor. 2:2), nothing more, nothing less. These truths not only confirm the fact that the true gospel was preached long BEFORE Pentecost, but they also further disprove the CoC’s theory of water baptism being a part of the gospel message.

@@leeisenberg So, again, we ask: What gospel did the thief on the cross obey according to Hebrews 4:2 and its parallel passages (e.g., Isa.53:1, Jn. 12:38, Acts 8:26-40, Rom. 3:29-30; 10:16 and Galatians 3:6-8)?

Donna Stanley In the first century church they knew nothing about denominations. There were no such thing as hyphenated Christians such as Baptist-Christians, Methodist-Christians, Lutheran-Christians, Catholic-Christians, etc., etc., etc. all teaching different ways to be saved. There is only One Faith, One Lord, One baptism.

@@lindahutchens8612 Can you explain what gospel the thief on the cross obeyed according to Hebrews 4:2?

​@lindahutchens8612 the first century church also didn't have most of the New Testament that you use as an authority for your opinions. Do you realize how diverse the beliefs and practices of the first century church was? Have you ever done independent, real study of the first century Church outside of CoC sources? Have you ever personally studied the writings of the Anti-Nicean Church fathers to know what the leaders of the actual early church actually believed for yourself? Can you name even three Anti-Nicean Church fathers using your own already held knowledge without using Google? Did you know there are 1st century early Church fathers who would deeply disagree with the way your CoC congregation does worship and assembles their church building? Who knows what Jesus wanted better: The guys who literally sat at the feet of the 11 guys who sat at Jesus' feet or your denomination that developed its beliefs almost 2000 years later? If you struggle to answer these questions, do you think you should really be appealing to the early church that you are actually supremely uninformed about to make your arguments?

@@christrescuedme2182 Jesus had the power to tell him he would be in Paradise. After his death, we go by what the Bible says.

@@devonstewart5524 Do you truly believe that Jesus was only forgiving sins while He was physically on earth (Mt. 9:6)? Because that would imply that Jesus is no longer exercising His power and authority to forgive sins today! And that would be such a terrible contradiction of Scripture. Jesus has pre-eminence in ALL things, and He is alive forevermore (e.g. Col. 1:18; 1 Jn. 1:9). Therefore…. “See that ye refuse not Him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him that speaketh from heaven; Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.” (Heb. 12:25, 26). If you continue to go by the CoC’s line of reasoning, then you would have to conclude that Jesus’ atonement no longer atones, for He accomplished it while He was still physically on earth. How ludicrous! Just because Jesus’ atonement took place on earth, that does not mean that it doesn’t still apply to us today. Likewise, just because Jesus forgave sins while He was still physically on earth, that does NOT mean the same forgiveness no longer applies to us today. God forbid! Jesus accomplished redemption while He was still physically on earth. And yet, it still applies to us today, just as much as it did to the thief on the cross. Our forgiveness depends upon the definite atonement of Christ, just as much as his did!! Every believer throughout redemptive history has always been saved based upon what Jesus accomplished at the cross. Even His resurrection became manifest on earth and was founded upon what He accomplished on earth (Heb. 13:20). And yet, the CoC has the audacity to claim that we cannot be forgiven like the thief on the cross, all because Jesus forgave him while He was still physically on earth! So again, what gospel did the thief on the cross REALLY obey, according to Hebrews 4:2?

Same with me. I didn't leave the church but I work out my own salvation within the church. I always questioned the Lord's Supper because we break bread and drink grape juice where the Jews always had wine for the Passover Feast. Jesus and his Apostles were celebrating the Passover at the Lord's Supper. They were drinking wine. The church is so anal about this that they even write books on how it was grape juice or "the fruit of the vine". I just shut up, drink the grape juice and don't cause problems. I never felt like that young lady. She apparently has missed the point. I'm glad my Dad wasn't a preacher in the church. One thing good about CoC is that we meet early and therefore get dismissed early and beat the Baptists to the restaurants.

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@John Harrison You embody the term ‘lost’ beautifully. What a tapestry of untrue adjectives you have woven. Actually it was a funny read.

@John Harrison OK. I'm a cultist if you mean I'm a fan of the Blue Oyster Cult.

@@ktcarl I like the restaurant comment, 🤣

Amen!! Amen!! Well said, your English is great! Please continue to share to word and God bless🙏

Amen! Praise Jesus you are living by the true words of God. I am a church of the Nazarene member here in my hometown of Castle Rock Colorado but all of our other neighbors in our cul-de-sac belong to the Church of Christ so from time to time we do visit there as well. It is very conservative there is no music other than our voices but sometimes I find that beautiful. They do preach the true word of God as does my church straight from the Bible. I'm living word of God. There Is perfection in all God does. Your English is great! ♥️ God bless all my brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray for anyone who does not know Jesus I pray right now for you to seek him! He loves every single one of us Sins and all. Redemption is not by works alone but by faith and the will to want to do good!

Well said. Thank you for your comments!

So true and well said Sister.don't listen to people..listen and embrace The Word Of God!!🙏☝🙌💕😄

@@AliceWonders22 not a coincidence the church of the Nazarene's initials spell CON ..... false doctrine!!!

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All have sinned . God does not expect anyone to be perfect. That is why Christ died on the cross for our sins. I feel sorry for your views on.what the Bible teaches. You need to study more. God bless you

I don't believe of judgement day. They are just invented it or even the hell and heaven are not true at all.

@@josevil1513 I see, this is why I love God so much, he gave us a borrowed life and strength from him whether you beleive it or not atheism cannot really explain why do we exist and what is our purpose. It makes sense when it comes to Christianity that we have a sole purpose either to server God or to follow your own will. Living a Christian way of life is nice for me since we have the reason of our existence and our purpose.

Hindi yan iglesia ni cristo ibang church tinutukoy nya

It may have been a "blessing in disguise", or it may be that you missed and walked away from a blessing so well disguised by your own thinking that you just couldn't see it.

Not having heard with a Bliss and because she's a nut job today but I do miss the traditions of that church kind of

I'm so sorry.

continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Sounds like she knew what she was doing

Very sorry this happened to you. The Church of Christ is a Horror denomination. It keeps people frightened and in a state of perpetual doubt about their salvation. I come from the Pentecostal church which uses similar insane fear tactics plus they add hootnannies of speaking in tongues, dancing in the spirit, and fake miracles. I have come to detest the mental damage done to me by the Pentecostal church. It looks like your ex-girlfriend had much damage done to her also. It is unfortunate indoctrination like this is so powerful and long-lasting.

Instablaster.

That song literally contradicts everything they teach. Hey, and b the way, quick history lesson; did you know that alexander Campbell, the founder of your doctrine is also responsible for Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and united Pentecostals? Just doing what I'm told and judging a church based on its fruit.

I really do not know where this is coming from but how do you not teach grace when it's all over the bible. God's grace is sufficient for us. The church is pure , the church is holy and no other foundation can any man lay except that which Christ has laid.

Oh honey. I’m sorry you didn’t feel His love! You see every time we sin his grace covers us we are not kicked out we still need to ask for forgiveness but if we walk in the light His blood continues to cleanse us! 1john 1:7. Please look into truth! So many verses on vain worship and deception. 1john4:1! Luke 21:8. There’s one pattern. Only one!❤

I've learned from these videos that there are a lot of CoC factions and some are downright bazaar..crazy belief systems. I was raised in the CoC..and never heard of any of these beliefs that others are saying...and imo, trying to call the church out as "cults" which they are not.

John im glad you made it back...id like 2 say..you discount the name on the door..why..? It identifies what's going on inside...the church is your vehicle 2 heaven according 2 scripture..we are going to be saved by the gospel which directs us to the church...we have 2 have an obedient faith which leads us to live faithful lives...its all in scripture...when we don't study...we lean on what we think..and mess it all up...

I’m glad he brought you to the right church of Christ

Thanks for sharing! There are factions of every church that are flat out insane. I do not condone this insanity one bit. What I am saying is Scripture plainly says we must be obedient and when we are un Christ we are saved. Regarding my past I left church for over ten years, struggled with sin mightily, I can go on and on. I am thankful for Gods grace but we are kidding ourselves and inventing things untrue if we think we can dictate to God what His truth is. Love you all!!!!!

Press on John! Amazing testimony, proud of you brother

Organised religion attracts some and repels some .Scripture can confuse as it is translated through the different languages and whether something literally happened or metaphoricallyJust love yourself and others .Do unto others as you would yourself. Ask yourself if God would approve of what you think or what you are about to do or say .

@@alexross9355 you would bed happy being a Baptist.. as we believe scripture.. without all the confusion.... try it and see...

I'm happy a Baptist ww praise God they allow you run around the church

@@brentjames2425 Amen to that!!

@@jeffcarlson3269 only God can judge ys not coc members

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. John 3:18 “He that believeth in Him is not condemned; but He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Revelation 21 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” 1 Corinthians 6 18 Flee fornication. Every other sin which a man doeth is outside the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. Matthew 12 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” Romans 8:6 21st Century King James Version 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace, Luke 12:20 21st Century King James Version 20 But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee. Then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?’ 1 Timothy 5:6 21st Century King James Version 6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. 1 Corinthians 6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God. 1 John 2:17 21st Century King James Version 17 And the world passeth away and the lust thereof, but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Matthew 22:29 21st Century King James Version 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. John 8:51 21st Century King James Version 51 Verily, verily I say unto you, if a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.” 2 John 9 21st Century King James Version 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son. Titus 1:14 21st Century King James Version 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth. 2 Peter 3:18 21st Century King James Version 18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. Romans 12:2 21st Century King James Version 2 And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Hebrews 9:24 21st Century King James Version 24 For Christ has not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Colossians 2:10 21st Century King James Version 10 And ye are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power, Deuteronomy 6:14 21st Century King James Version 14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people who are round about you 2 Corinthians 11:14 21st Century King James Version 14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 1 Corinthians 10:20 21st Century King James Version 20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils and not to God; and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Proverbs 14:12 21st Century King James Version 12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 1 John 4:3 21st Century King James Version 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world. 2 John 9 21st Century King James Version 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son. John 8:12 21st Century King James Version 12 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, “I am the Light of the world. He that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” Mark 8:35 21st Century King James Version 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for My sake and the Gospel’s, the same shall save it. John 8:51 21st Century King James Version 51 Verily, verily I say unto you, if a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.” John 17:3 21st Century King James Version 3 And this is life eternal: that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent. 1 Timothy 2:5 21st Century King James Version 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Acts 4:12 21st Century King James Version 12 Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.” James 1:21 21st Century King James Version 21 Therefore lay apart all filthiness and the superfluity of wickedness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls. John 11:25-26 21st Century King James Version 25 Jesus said unto her, “I am the resurrection and the Life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; 26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John 6:68 21st Century King James Version 68 Then Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life, Psalm 119:30 21st Century King James Version 30 I have chosen the way of truth; Thy judgments have I laid before me. Psalm 119:11 21st Century King James Version 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against Thee. Romans 12:2 21st Century King James Version 2 And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. 1 Corinthians 2:5 21st Century King James Version 5 that your faith should not stand on the wisdom of man, but on the power of God. 1 Peter 5:8 21st Century King James Version 8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 1 John 2:16-17 21st Century King James Version 16 For all that is in the world - the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life - is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away and the lust thereof, but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. James 1:21 21st Century King James Version 21 Therefore lay apart all filthiness and the superfluity of wickedness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls. 1 Corinthians 15:44 21st Century King James Version 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 21st Century King James Version 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ John 3:18 21st Century King James Version 18 “He that believeth in Him is not condemned; but He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:36 21st Century King James Version 36 He that believeth in the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Luke 6:5 21st Century King James Version 5 And He said unto them, “The Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” Matthew 22:29 21st Century King James Version 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. John 5:29 21st Century King James Version 29 and shall come forth - they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 8:12 21st Century King James Version 12 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, “I am the Light of the world. He that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” John 8:32 21st Century King James Version 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 6:40 21st Century King James Version 40 And this is the will of Him that sent Me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.” Mark 13:13 21st Century King James Version 13 And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Revelation 14:12 21st Century King James Version 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. John 8:36 21st Century King James Version 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Mark 13 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

When you understand the bible, you'll know it's a fairy tales book.

@@salserokorsou If the Bible is such a fairy tail book, then why is it banned in about 52-countries?

@@robkeen2818 I don't know. Maybe cuz it supports slavery, genocide, rape is full of evil laws...?

I grew up in a family with true and close relationship to God, and now I found christians that are part of “the church of Christ” and they are telling me that me and my parents are going to go to Hell because we believe in speaking of tongues etc, because we have experienced visions and stuff. And I just feel very scared, they are forcing me to completely give up on my parents and to not believe them at all for anything but only believe in the Bible, which is a good advice but my parents could also show scriptures that support their views. So i’m very confused on what to do and I want to get away from the “church of Christ” and seek for myself but I just don’t know, would that be wrong, are my parents wrong? I just… i feel lost

@@IoniB They arnt forcing you to do anything. Think for yourself. Believe what you want to believe. Don't let religion rule your life.

Begonia Not only trust but trust and obey. Please read the book of Hebrews; it show faith must be active.

@@lindahutchens8612 you are absolutely correct. Thank you.

@@IoniB The church of Christ is correct; speaking in tongues is not for today. You need to start going to bible classes and meeting with the elders and let them show you scriptures on why tongues have ceased.

@@kaleb798 i hope you are aware that you just insinuated that she was evil. Careful with your words brother. You might take that to the Lord in prayer. She was merely cautioning & not condemning the CoC. I grew up in a COC just like this. Extremely conservative. Never touched the OT hardly, still don’t talk about a rapture or return of Jesus Christ. Rituals overshadowed fellowship after I got a little older. Now on the other hand, my aunt went to a less strict CoC and wow what a different spirit of freedom. When it’s time to go (move on to another church) the Spirit will move you so you continue to grow. Some stay in the same church a life time which is great, but some of us move on. I personally am glad she shared her testimony, not so unfamiliar to me. Blessed my heart.

@@kaleb798 Any specific questions? I'm not a "scholar" but I have been in and out of several "cultic organizations" - enough to know a lot of the important things that get twisted around in these places more interested in PROFIT than PROPHET

@Ryan McAlister Colossians 3:17 does not say we have to have authority for everything we do. You just made that up like a good punk

I was in the CoC for over 30+years until the Lord saved me. Although our doctrines indicated that we had to be absolutely perfect or end up in Hell, deep down we all knew that we couldn’t really pull off perfection. So we excused our sins (especially the sin of self-righteousness) by constantly and legalistically performing what we thought was repentance for our sins, according to our “second laws of pardon” doctrine.

Amen

But no feeling they don't believe in the holy spirit they don't shout running nothin just sit there in worship

Did your husband get saved too ?

Bitter perhaps because a soul may be lost❤

@@UgochukwuOmiko-zv5nv sadly, religious cults take poor souls to hell. Get out of false religion 😂

@@Over-for-now what made the Church a cult?. I would love to know

@@UgochukwuOmiko-zv5nv Hello What makes a cult ? It's a religion that does not honor God's chosen time plan. God wants us to HEAR Paul's gospel NOW. God chose Paul to receive the MYSTERY of the gospel of the FINISHED and COMPLETE work Jesus accomplished for salvation. When Jesus was on earth HE instructed His disciples to go NOT in the way of the gentiles. It was not God's time to go to the gentiles. Paul was chosen to bring the gospel to the gentiles. Peter was the apostle to the Jews. If we DO NOT rightly divide scriptures we make a MESS to our own destruction. Ask the Lord to SAVE you now. HE is offering you the FINISHED work He accomplished for you. Don't let satan take you to his house of destruction !!!

Amen to that. 👍

@Jennifer Seay "yada, yada, yada": Amber's right; you're wrong; that's all. 😏😉😜

Willdo1951 Aldone Why the question in Acts2:37 "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" See if the answer is "there is nothing you can do; Jesus paid it all; it is finished. The answer in verse says "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION OF YOUR SINS and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

@@MrNyathi1 Roman 6:1 and Matthew 7-21-23, brother don't be decieved, Jesus paid the price, BUT that does not give us a license to live a life full of sin without repentence. That is a lie from satan

D.E. Franklin When we "handle aright the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15) we see that the thief was not subject to the New Testament command of immersion because this command was not given until AFTER the thief's death. It was not until Christ was resurrected that He said, "He who believes AND is baptized shall be saved; Mark 16:16. It was not until Christ's death that the Old Testament ceased, signified by the tearing of the temple curtain (Matthew 27:51). When Jesus died, He took away the Old Testament, "nailing it to the cross" (Colossians 2:14). The word "testament" means "covenant" or "will." The last will and testament of Christ is the New Testament, which consists of those teachings that apply to people AFTER the death of Christ. If we expect to receive the benefits of the New Testament (salvation, forgiveness of sin, eternal life) we must submit to the terms of the will for which Christ is mediator (Hebrews 9:15), for "where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator; for a testament is of force after men are dead, otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives; Hebrews 9:16-17. Jesus of course will not forgive us if we don't believe that He is the Son of God who died who died for our sins, repent, confess Jesus is the son of God and be baptized (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16) for the remission of sins . Baptism is not a work of man; it is faith in the working of God; Colossians 2:12. Read Acts 8:5-39 and see what needs to be done when Jesus is preached and it is NOT the sinner's prayer (which is no where in the word of God. Also baptism is how we put on Christ; Galations 3:27....can one be saved without putting on Christ in baptism? I Peter 3:21 says baptism doth ALSO save us; man says baptism doth not now save us. Who do you believe Peter or man? Baptism is done before one is added to the Lord's church; Acts 2:41, 47. There is only 1 baptism; Ephesians 4:5. Baptism is commanded; Matthew 28:19; Acts 10:48.

@@lindahutchens8612 Thank you for breaking this down, God bless you

@@sheldenkay1751 Your very welcome, Shelden; glad I could help!

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wowwwww.... 30 years in Icoc... I was exposed to about 3 years of it... San Fran, NYCmostly... and Kip's recordings. Did you know of Jim Brown out of NYC (formerly MT)? I was considering going on their San Paulo mission in the mid-80s after our San Fran mission to Rome fell apart. ..... I would be interested in your long-term experience. The "regular" coc had so many cold-hearted issues of their own to overcome, it was interesting seeing them all hot and bothered about the ICOC. ... Take care!

Good for you! 👍

ICOC is a harmful cult. I know too much about it for you to convince me otherwise. Sorry, I do not mean to be offensive, but the ICOC is a cult. I hope you can escape.

Yes we do.

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Well said.

You strengthen yourself or the Holy Spirit does?

@Spiro climb I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed the wording. I know I can't do anything out of my own means...not clean nor wash up myself and definitely I can't remove my own sin, but I can give it to God by faith that the works He's begun He's faithful to bring to completion. Kind of "Jesus take the wheel style". Once you realize that, then the heavy burden is lifted from you and you come to a place of surrender and it begins a cycle of that, from faith to faith, growth to growth. It's a pretty amazing thing to experience. My only struggle has always been with myself, but that's the physical wrestling with the spirit 😆. My spirit works with His Spirit and my body resists it...could be as simple as getting up out of bed 😆. Resistance is futile because who could resist God, but the devil, but it's not like we don't struggle and wrestle, but God's will will always be accomplished. Jesus fulfilled His purpose here even without all the temptations and demonic influences and betrayals...and so will we also. I'm struggling with the part where He says...you will do these things likewise and you will do even greater things that I. Like what greater thing is even there than what Jesus has done???? And then wouldn't it be blasphemy to make such a claim as to saying I have done greater than Jesus??? I suppose I'll know what He meant by that when I get to meet Him.

@@aqua6613 I was in the CoC for over 30+years until the Lord saved me. Although our doctrines indicated that we had to be absolutely perfect or end up in Hell, deep down we all knew that we couldn’t really pull off perfection. So we excused our sins (especially the sin of self-righteousness) by constantly and legalistically performing what we thought was repentance for our sins, according to our “second laws of pardon” doctrine.

Thank you for your comments. I was brought up in the Nazarene church but now attend a CofC. I was taught and believe that only Christians will go to heaven. That is what I still believe. It is not my place to judge who is and who is not a Christian-I do not know the heart of another, I can only see the evidence of their actions. The devil has a celebration over the division between Christians.study the Bible, don’t just read STUDY. I ATTENDED a very narrow minded CofC for years and was miserable because of judgment of others. Finally learned about the GRACE of the Lord!

Thank you for taking the time to write this. I grew up in the Baptist Church. Then I married a Man who was a member of the C of C. We raised our children There'd BUT I finally figured out that nobody CAN be perfect. That is why the perfect man named Jesus died on the cross.

What does the New Testament say on the matter??

Freddie Burleson Could you clarify, please? We are instructed not to cause division, but I believe the issue is not black and white.

I believe what he is saying is you make many claims but no scripture to back it up. For instance " Ultimately, though, a person finds communion with God not in any church, but in the quiet and humble and broken moments of their own life. " The bible teaches in Ephesians 1 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: So all spiritual blessings are found in Christ. How does one get into Christ? Well, in Romans 6 Paul tells us: 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. Paul also tells us in Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So only those who have been baptized INTO Christ's death and in union with Him, who have put on Christ's righteousness in baptism are truly IN Christ. To be IN Christ means to be in His body, His church, the church of Christ and it is in this body that all Christians receive spiritual blessings. Therefore if one is not IN Christ, they are not able to take part in spiritual blessings and commune with Christ.

dsvet Well said and you are right. Worshipping God in fellowship certainly draws many closer to Him. I was making a statement about my own experience...that I first came to speak with God in humility and contrition when I was broken. I was painting with too broad a brush when I made that statement. I have a great deal to learn and it seems like I'm growing more plainly aware of that daily.

Adam R. Meade *The Trinity Doctrine is Not Biblical !* The Holy Spirit is not a 3rd God ! called God The Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth ''THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON'' into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. The Holy Spirit = The Spirit of God and Christ

Narcissistic much?

Can you please explain how the thief on the cross was REALLY saved, according to Hebrews 4:2, which equates the O.T. gospel with the N.T. gospel?

Thanks for sharing. Glad you found those answers u were looking for. Take care. - Leeroy

@@leeisenberg Again, how can one reconcile the CoC's hyper-dispensational theories concerning the thief on the cross, with Hebrews 4:2?

@@christrescuedme2182 Are you really still here pestering people? You have made over 170 comments on this video 😂

Al Watson Me to AL. My husband us a former coc minster About 2 yrs ago, we started to come out of the fog. It's been difficult at times to get passed the deep coc doctrine, but is getting easier!! We are in our late 50's and we both grew up in the coc. We worship God everyday and feel no need to have to go to a building 3x a week. May God bless you in your journey!!♡

Al Watson amen!

I am a member of the Church of Christ and grew up in one as well. While there is a tendency towards legalism and suppression of the Holy Spirit by certain congregations, I don’t think what you said is indicative of them as a whole. Sorry you had a bad experience.

G Will Anyone who is a member of any church believes that they are in the “right” church. Or they wouldn’t be there. You just happen to have had a lot of time with the CoC, so you were able to witness them attest to that. If other churches seem less pushy about their beliefs, it’s not due to their level of tolerance, but more to do with a lack of conviction, or even compassion. Or they are just afraid they might scare you off, and are more worried about what you put in the plate, than souls. You might debate that CoC is the “one faith” one “true church” mentioned in the NT. But at least acknowledge the narrow gate and admit that Jesus and the Apostles painted a definite picture of what his Church must be. To your 2nd point, there are a lot in the faith who feel compelled to legalism, as I already admitted: zealous over ritual and ceremony, suppressing the power of the Holy Spirit. I remember as a kid, watching a split happen because someone clapped after a baptism. I’ve been there. But God calls us to mold his Church after what he wants it to be, not to abandon it. Because of the Charismatic Movement, the CoC sought to distance themselves to the point where the Holy Spirit became nonexistent. They embraced being careful, and rejected being carefree. This mistake is being corrected. No need to seek something else that gives you the “feels” just to abandon truth. God bless.

Joe Tapley I would to get a better understanding of what you mean as suppression of the holy spirit?

Sadly, I can remember only one sermon in the CoC that focused solely on the Holy Spirit and how He is a Divine Person of the Godhead. It was when our "church" was trying out new preachers, to replace the one that retired. Needless to say, that particular preacher did not get the position. He was seen as being too controversial, for the CoC system limits the Holy Spirit to just being the mere influence of the Word, made effective by baptism. When in actuality, He’s the divine agent Who effectively wields the Word like a sword that cuts to the heart (Heb. 4:12). CoC sermons actually belittle the biblical concept of being eternally indwelled and sealed by the Holy Spirit. They will even mockingly ask how He could ever actually enter a person… through the hand or foot? Yet they will never deny that the devil entered Judas Iscariot. Therefore, the CoC implies that the devil had the power to enter a person, but that the Holy Spirit didn’t.

Sorry to tell you but, you have actually put on chains, not gotten rid of them leaving the ONLY church that you can read about in scripture!

@@janicemurphy8175 I did not "leave" the church of Christ. I may have left a building with the name "Church of Christ". God is my Rock. Jesus loves me and died for me. He took my sins to the cross. I praise Him every day! I'm so thankful for the Holy Spirit who lives in me. I am a sinner and will never be perfect but praise be to God, I am free in Him. Really curious about what you mean that I have put on chains? Very interested! 🙏🏻✝️

@@nancysanders766, this is equivalent to saying, “I left the house that my husband purchased but I didn’t leave my husband!” We are a very weak weak people when it comes to “doing” the will of God. You are absolutely correct, Christ loved you enough to shed his blood to not only to purchase your sins that you repent of but also to purchase his church in which he adds us to upon baptism Acts 20:28, Acts 2:47. I don’t understand how you can leave the local congregation in which we are all to be under and still believe that you have not left the church? How do you worship God without assembling with his people? How do you accomplish the acts of worship that you saw them in the First Century Church do? Truth is, you guys mostly were under leadership that made heaven seem impossible, and probably tainted how you see the “church of Christ” but that simply comes from a lack of study on your part as well. I have left congregations that were not growing, and congregations whose doctrine did not line up with scripture...I’ll NEVER leave the church of Christ! We have been commanded to be apart of the local congregations, we are to be under leadership at the local congregations, those leaderships have been given the duty to feed and watch over us, so how does your statement make since? To be worshipping in a manner that doesn’t line up with how they did in the First Century Church is fantasy worship. If when you were baptized into the CofC and you didn’t understand this, you might want to have a Bible study to learn what it is you missed. You are telling us that you were merely convinced about the word of God and not truly converted. Being baptized into Christ is having the chains removed, to go into worship according to your own understanding is to put yourself back in chains. You might want to check out Don Blackwell, Apologetics Press, Gospel Broadcasting Network, and World Video Bible School for lessons and sermons to lead you correctly. KZfaq Don Blackwell’s, “Why are there so many churches” to get your foundation on track. Message me if you have any questions.

@@janicemurphy8175 who says.. the Church of Christ of today.. is the ONLY church one can read about in scripture... because in the bible it uses the term "Church of Christ".. I think it takes a lot of audacity.. to claim to be the Church Christ intended in the scripture.. simply bases on the Name they have chosen... if you are going to take that view.. I could state that Baptists are Church of Christ as well.. and so are the Catholics... since they claim Peter was the first Pope... so because they believe Peter was the first Pope.. then the Church of Christ.. must be the Catholic church correct?...was Not Peter one of the first members of the church?..

@@chantuesesongs4418 I believe the "chains are removed".. once we confess Jesus as our Savior... hence.. this act of Faith.. BELIEVING is what saves... NOT baptism.....Romans 10:9,10... Acts 16:31... John 3:16.. and countless other scripture tell us we are saved once we believe.. with No mention of baptism.. why does the CoC,.. believe that Baptism equals salvatiom?.. baptism is never mentioned in the bible alone in regards to salvation... anythime it IS mentioned in regards to salvation it is mentioned WITH Belief... and why do they believe because they strapped that name on themselves they are the ONLY true church...?... another falsehood..

Due to an artificially induced standard of evaluation, many in the CoC are plunged into a socially sanctioned, pseudo-science perspective, rather than a purely biblical perspective. Far from promoting spiritual growth in the midst of life’s problems, the CoC’s system of theology serves to promote neurotic and psychotic tendencies under the pretense of religion. For the CoC's conditioning process produces a type of religious schizophrenia, where one finally has to disassociate their legalistic and perfectionist theology from their actual lifestyles. Yet there is such a deep denial of these kinds of dissociative disorders in the CoC, especially within the family context where one's theological views are actually lived out. Instead of being led to Jesus Christ as one's only hope, the need to be saved by Him is minimized, and the true meaning of mercy is distorted.

No; "churches of Christ" members do what they do because they're members of a superstitious-fear-instilling cult. Their position is that one's final, eternal abode actually depends-upon such physical-actions as if/how one is dunked in water. [based upon, of course, intentionally-ill-informed, simplistic, childish, absurd interpretations of a book that they can quote SNIPPETS from all day, but have practically NO actual knowledge/understanding of. they're ILL; they need TREATMENT]

Ana Romero Trust and obey; people need to read the book of Hebrews.

MAKE DISCIPLES “Make disciples of all nations immersing them" Who is "them"? the disciples you make. We need to teach people to be followers of Christ before immersion. Go (traverse as you are going) therefore and make disciples (followers/students) of all the nations (peoples), baptizing (immersing) them in the name of (into the possession of) the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (Matthew 28:19) Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized (immersed) in the name of (authority of) Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38 Those outside of Christ are under the curse of the Law. They cannot be saved without meeting the Messiah at the cross, therefore, they must follow Him in His death, burial, and resurrection (Romans ch. 6).

Yan ay opinyon mo mas naniniwa kapa sa dady mo kay sa GOD ang doctin ng INC is base on the bible act 20:28 roma 16:16

No trinity in the bible

@@tolitsr6188 Mhm, it is true in the bible with no mentions of the trinity. Although Catholicism states that there is one God, but they say there is 3 Gods that make in one? I can point it out for you for example 1 Timothy 2:5 ESV "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" And there is many more in the bible that states that Jesus is man. If you have anything to oppose from what I have stated am I wrong here?

This also means that God disapproves man to write anything in the bible yet they do this. Meeting at Nicaea in present-day Turkey, the council established the equality of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity and asserted that only the Son became incarnate as Jesus Christ. ... The Emperor Constantine presided over the opening of the council and contributed to the discussion. That's how the trinity was created by man, not God. Nothing has been stated in the bible.

It depends on what sin you commit that leads to hell if your in that state of sin at death .

@@danviccaro3920 that is true if we do not repent and ask for forgiveness.

@@joanlebleu4003 but in doing it through the church you are on good standing grounds with the church .

@@joanlebleu4003 and that church is the church Jesus Christ started and that church gave us the Bible.

@Joan LeBleu.... you would Not have to bother trying to analyze this if you were a member of the Baptist community.. as they believe all of that without having to search for it and figure it out for ourselves... God's word is plainly and simoky taught by Baptists...

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If u don't mind can we be friends

Darn Pharissees. Unfortunately that happens in all flavors of Christianity, but it really needs to stop.

That is shameful treatment. Where are you located? The true church is identified by 3 things, the disciples love one toward another, the fruits of the their lives, and the doctrine they hold. Sadly most of the COC has deviated from these things drastically and become pharisaical with an overemphasis on legalism.

@@jayandrew87 What doctrine does the church of Christ teach that is not scriptural?

Ask CoC's to explain how the thief on the cross was REALLY saved, according to Hebrews 4:2, which equates the O.T. gospel with the N.T. gospel. They will flip flop all over the place!!

But that's not a church of Christ problem, that's a "your dad is ruthless" problem. And now you want to "feel" free and throw terms like legalism at a group of people without really understanding what it is.

Heritage Ways So sorry you attended a church of Christ like that; not all are the same.

That commenter is wrong. It IS a COC problem. The idea that if we don't take communion every Sunday we are doing something wrong IS a COC belief and it's not biblical. There are so many unbiblical COC beliefs. I'm a COC PK as well, and now I attend non-denominational churches (actual don-denominational). I understand exactly what you meant, and you're right. Examples are not commands, the bible never said they are, there isn't supposed to be a list that explains how to worship (and there isn't). We aren't even supposed to be seeking "authority" to do something or not so something in worship (and the bible doesn't say to). The COC desperately wants us to seek authority and have a list in the bible but there isn't one, so they made up a rule that isn't in the bible that you look at examples and create rules based on them. But who chooses which example is a rule and which isn't? I'm a COC PK and I can say with certainty that the Church of Christ does things in worship that there isn't an example of (the building for starters), and DON'T do things that there ARE examples of in the bible (many examples). This is exactly what Amber Head is saying. Don't listen to the COC commenters that claim you don't understand, when CLEARLY they have not even ever looked into it. They have never prayed that prayer of surrender...surrendering their beliefs of all doctrine and start over and asked the Holy Spirit to reveal what they need to know as they study. Anyone that ever bashes what Amber said in this video never surrendered themselves to the revelation of the scriptures to the Holy Spirit, and only are trying to back up what keeps them in their comfort zone. The members of the Church of Christ are mostly beautiful, devout believers in Christ, and they are saved. But the man-made philosophy of looking for examples to make into commands accidentally corrupts their beliefs, and hinders their walk in Christ.

@@Concatenate Can you please explain how the thief on the cross was REALLY saved, according to Hebrews 4:2, which equates the O.T. gospel with the N.T. gospel?

You are absolutely right, my friend...absolutely NO MAN can be perfect but, as you grew up CofC (and hope you still attend☺), I'm sure you know that is the reason Jesus had to spill His blood on the cross, as that blood was necessary to remove the sins of mankind because we WEREN'T perfect. Thank you sir for your contributions to this discussion.

Although our CoC doctrines indicated that we had to be absolutely perfect or end up in Hell, deep down we all knew that we couldn’t really pull off perfection. So we excused our sins (especially the sin of self-righteousness) by constantly and legalistically performing what we thought was repentance for our sins, according to our “second laws of pardon” doctrine. This man-made idea is strikingly similar to the Roman Catholic sacrament of “penance” (the so-called “second plank” of justification), where one must try to regain the salvation one initially had in baptism, but lost again and again due to sins committed after baptism. In summary, subsequent works were necessary after baptism, as a secondary means of justification. So, although I was constantly performing what I thought was repentance, there was never a true removal of guilt, for the sin supposedly pardoned through repentance one minute was replaced by another sin the next! And it had the potential to land me in Hell just as surely as the one previously pardoned! So, without the true gospel, I had to try to stay sane by either adopting an antinomian view of sin (an abuse of God’s grace as an excuse to live in sin), or else become an obsessive-compulsive perfectionist. That lasted for over 30 years!! But thankfully God saved me!! I've been a true, born-again believer and follower of Christ now for over 17 years.

@Blondie Girl... you could find peace as a Baptist...

@@BigA7x7 it is the blood of Christ that saves us.... Not the waters of baptism... believe..... and thou shalt be saved....

Wow you realized perfection is unachievable? Tell us more! Strawman…every man knows perfection is not achieved in this life, but Scripture calls us to strive for perfection by Christ’s empowering and if you find that cruel or upsetting than you are not in any way ready to enter discipleship. Thats not CoCs issue but a problem between you and God. God wants you to repent come out of sin and be sanctified anyone who preaches a gospel besides this is preaching another soft and convenient gospel to gain numbers and money and they do this to the ruin of many souls including their own.

Maria Conforti church of Christ is not denomination read Ephesians 4v4

yes it is,,its a denom just like any other church,,to think not is laughable.

It’s not a denomination. Denominations have leaders that people have to follow. People that make the rules. The c of c doesn’t have anyone like they. We all operate individually. And as far as studying for yourself...I agree. And that churches I have worshipped at teach to study the word for yourself.

Ask CoC's to explain how the thief on the cross was REALLY saved, according to Hebrews 4:2, which equates the O.T. gospel with the N.T. gospel. They will flip flop all over the place!!

@@christrescuedme2182 I think you are referring to the thief on the cross being saved without baptism. You make an excellent point. The CoC has no satisfactory answer for this.

@@omartorrio1512 Strangely enough, the CoC seems to be fine with the fact that church discipline (Mt. 18), the Lord's Supper (Mt. 26:26-29) and the Great Commission (Mt. 28) were all ratified and applied to the church BEFORE Pentecost. And yet, the CoC absolutely refuses to acknowledge the common salvation that all true believers have with the penitent thief on the cross, all because he was saved BEFORE Pentecost. So one must ask: Why the double standard? The answer is painfully obvious.

@Jennifer Seay Unwittingly, the CoC furnishes its own refutation by embracing a false gospel, which is a fundamental denial of the only way a sinner can be justified before a holy God. Therefore, the CoC condemns itself, and in effect, ceases from being a true church, though it ironically claims to be the only true church…just as Romanism does. So, with this being the case, the CoC system collapses and falls under the same condemnation as Romanism and the Israel of Apostle Paul’s day, which embraced God but rejected His message (Rom. 10:1-3).

@Jennifer Seay Christ Rescued Me from the Church of Christ, by Lee Anne Ferguson, available at amazon.

I was at ICOC

It depends what group you are in.

@@trippin6118 international church of Christ

@@trippin6118 disciples today

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Tom L How does one become a child of God and please use scripture.

Already Forgiven How does one become a child of God and please use scripture; thanks,

Church hurt is the worse

@@brentjames2576 Romans 16:16 the churches of Christ salute you; a small "c" is used in the word church because the church of Christ is not a proper name, it's simply a description of Christ's body, His blood-bought church. It's a descriptive term of Christ's church. Where does the Bible say that Jesus will save the church?; see Ephesians 5:23-25, Note He purchased the church with His own blood ; Acts 20:28. If Christ is the Savior of the body, the church, then it is impossible to be saved outside the church because that's the very thing that He is going to save. People do not choose the church of their choice; God adds them to the church of His Son; see Acts 2:47. coC is one of many Bible names used in the New Testament to describe the one body of Christ. The church of Christ was born as seen here in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost . Most people do not realize that the church is essential to their salvation. The saved are members of the church and the church is made up of the saved. The 2 cannot be separated, The body of Christ is the church of Christ. You cannot be saved one day and join a church on another day. Christ is the head of the church and churches of Christ have no man made statements of faith, no denominational creed books, no associations, no conventions, and no board of directors, The word is to direct us into one FAITH, one LORD, one BAPTISM (see Acts 8:35-39). The Bible is our only rule of faith and we must read and study the word of God to make sure what we are being taught is correct for there are many false teachers in the world today.

Sand or solid rock? Which one, if there are so many errors, is your "church" built upon? If there are so many errors that need corrected, you might be on "shifting sand"??!

I was in the CoC for 30+ years, until God saved me. Despite the CoC’s deceptive language, I still remember being torn to pieces when I would read in the Bible about how Esau sought repentance with tears but couldn’t find it (Heb. 12:17). That alone planted a seed in my heart that God watered over the years, to help me realize that I needed to pray for Him to grant me repentance (2 Tim. 2:25). Just because one is sorry for sin, doesn’t mean one has a godly sorrow that leads to true repentance, which is realizing one’s repentance even needs to be repented of! True repentance is realizing we can never repent enough to cover the sins we’ve committed and that Jesus’ righteousness is our only hope of Heaven, for we have no saving righteousness of our own. If only we had known back then that our only hope was that God would accept the righteousness of Christ in our stead. Just like the song “Rock of Ages” says, “Could my tears forever flow, could my zeal no languor know, these for sin could not atone, Thou must save and Thou alone.” Although we passionately sung these words with great, religious zeal in the CoC….we just didn’t get it!

I would gladly give you decades worth of information. You are the FIRST male in the church to ever ask ... they have no clue of leadership nor do they seek to learn. It seems they assume because they are men they know how to lead effectively. If one never seeks honest feed-back, how will growth ever occur?

Same been there since birth

@@lildurk3004 I was introduced to the church by a coworker. I was very reluctant, but my eyes were opened. I never new how to read the bible. In fact, being Catholic, we were never told to pick up a bible. We were to believe what the priests told us. Now I am 67 years old, and so very grateful to the lady who practically dragged me to a bible study with her and her husband. I'm not perfect, though we all strive to be, but are forgiven when we repent of our sins. You may have been born into a Christian family, but you can't become a Christian until you believe and are baptized.

@@carolsmith4144 thats right. Thats what the bible says. Be baptized. Ofc people dont know that you don't have to be baptized to be a Christian. Christian has been used so many times and so outta context and its not necessarily church of christ.

@@carolsmith4144 It's sad that they have resorted to dragging people to their CoC. Though the CoC places great emphasis on getting people into its church, it does not have the true gospel of Jesus Christ, for it perverts the doctrine of the cross, while proudly sporting one on a church steeple. And though it sings “Amazing Grace,” it despises the true, biblical doctrine of grace, which is God’s merciful disposition toward His people and replaces it with something that’s “imparted” or infused…. in exchange for human works.

Humanism is a dangerous way to reason scripture. study God's word the way He wrote it and why.

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The ICC is completely different from the church of Christ as described on the pages of the New Testament. The c of C and the ICC are two very different entities. Just making sure others don't conflate the two.