Why I prefer 12 fretters

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Silly Moustache

Silly Moustache

6 жыл бұрын

Edit: no juice was spilled and no sofa was damaged in he making of this video!
Firstly, - This is my sting changing methodology: • Re-stringing methodolo...
12 fret guitars are the original Martin designs - from size 2 to the dreadnought. Originally based on European classic guitars, they were redesigned and refined by C F Martin and co, with new methods of strutting the tops to enable varying sizes based on the size of venue - amateur, concert, grand concert, to auditorium.
The dreadnought design originally made under protest for the Ditson company was proposed to be a dual use instrument with an interchangeable nut enabling both Hawaiian and "Spanish" style playing. They we not a success and the were regarded as grossly oversized. After Ditson closed down during the depression Martin decided to try them under thoer own name in 1931 - the D1, and D2, soon after renamed the D18 and D28. Again, whilst a superb design , they were not a commercial success.
Popular music was changing and the guitar was changing from a small, rather quiet solo instrument to a rhythm instrument for ex tenor banjo players in jazz and dance bands. Gibson offered the Archtop guitar, National offered the loud but heavy resonator guitar, and Martin offered the "OM" (Orchestra Model) a squashed version of the 000 model with 14 frets exposed and a thinner fretboard (as close as feasible to a tenor banjo).They also produced a similr modified dreadnought which they also described as an "OM" but it didn't have the harsh projection of competitors and so Gibson won out. However the 14 fret Martin was a good strumming instrument for folk genres and has now become a world standard design although the original version is actually more suitable for modern more intricate styles.

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@mediation_services
@mediation_services 6 жыл бұрын
What fantastic advice! Took me 10 years to realize I really wanted a guitar that "fit" me, not just construction and sound. Thank you so for this video - and for sharing your time and insight!
@lancevoorhees1611
@lancevoorhees1611 6 жыл бұрын
Loved your playing, hope to hear more about playing, songs, and your demos! Fun and sounded great!
@micheljarry327
@micheljarry327 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir. After 55 years of playing, this “make sure the guitar fits you” case you brilliantly made may help keeping me playing a little longer.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Glad to help! Thanks for watching.
@sundownsigns
@sundownsigns 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I went through a somewhat similar transition to 12 fretters about 25 years ago after decades of playing Martin Dreadnoughts. I am blessed with two Collings 000-2H guitars now plus a Martin 00-21. They suit me just fine.
@krittmoore
@krittmoore 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this video together. Enjoyed it very much!
@generalpatzer6893
@generalpatzer6893 6 жыл бұрын
Great video presentation and beautiful guitars! You blew my mind when you pulled out that Harmony 12 string! Thanks for sharing this information.
@jimib3
@jimib3 6 жыл бұрын
The juice on the couch is making me nervous
@robdonell9915
@robdonell9915 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Dissiprin
@Dissiprin 5 жыл бұрын
James Berryhill 😂I concur
@Popcorn_Kernel
@Popcorn_Kernel 4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@GoodGuysCarry
@GoodGuysCarry 3 жыл бұрын
James Berryhill 🤣
@Ganache30
@Ganache30 3 жыл бұрын
I got juice on the couch once, and it happened to produce our first child.
@EKWC
@EKWC 5 жыл бұрын
Comfortable playing makes u play more n learn more. Now I think back this is the most important thing for people who is not a professional yet. Thanks for sharing. God bless you sir.
@brianrenenielsen923
@brianrenenielsen923 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great and intuitive eyeopener.. Really interesting the alll the facts you kick in, was greatly entertainer and came out with a new view to what to try next.. Cheers from Denmark
@lauramcflymusica
@lauramcflymusica 4 жыл бұрын
Love to hear your guitar stories. Thanks for your advice about 12 or 14 frets, very useful to me. Cheers!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! I'm s glad that you found my ramblings of interest.
@3cardmonty602
@3cardmonty602 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your enlightenment. Especially with all your physical afflictions.
@scottyoung6311
@scottyoung6311 5 жыл бұрын
What a great video. I felt like I was sitting in the front room with an old friend. Best wishes to you Sir.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Gosh, thanks Scott! By all means have a look at my other videos.
@visitur4914
@visitur4914 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your storytelling style, particularly the many proper nouns and specific details.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Blaze, looking back on it, this was just a while after my throat cancer treatment and I was still a bit of a wreck and talking was very painful. I'm glad (hopeful) that you found it useful and intelligible.
@DLawrenceMarketing
@DLawrenceMarketing 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and your articulate advice. Nice tones you get from your instruments.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks David,
@PeterJohnsonWales
@PeterJohnsonWales 6 жыл бұрын
Thoughtful and thought provoking - thanks. Some particularly good points about ergonomics and comfort. I have arthritis in my right shoulder that comes and goes. It can make reaching across my dreadnoughts painful. But my parlour guitar is no problem. It's not something I considered when buying it, so it was fortuitous. In future it's something I'll take into account.
@stforgione
@stforgione 6 жыл бұрын
thank you andy i have been with guitars for many years and i still learned something i didnt know......thanks again!!
@andrewreynolds2647
@andrewreynolds2647 6 жыл бұрын
Hi just came across this and thoroughly enjoyed your superb explanation on a subject I really had not even thought about. certainly has given me food for thought, well done and thank you once again for your excellent insight. cheers. Andy.
@MrEmoor
@MrEmoor 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have been playing 14-fret guitars for a bit but recently - December - I picked up a Martin 000-15SM and I fell in love with it. The comfort and the sound just agree with me and caused me to wonder why I had not tried a 12-fret guitar prior to this. Now I find that is my “go to” guitar, and when I play my GPCPA4R I feel like my fretting hand is hanging way out in space! I end up putting it away and grabbing my 000. Plus, I love the look of a slotted head stock! Thanks for the video and sharing all your beautiful guitars with us.
@gosman949
@gosman949 2 жыл бұрын
and how do you like changing strings on that slotted head stock!
@jamespuleo3269
@jamespuleo3269 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting~~ I enjoyed that! Jim, Brooklyn NYC~
@BlessedMe11
@BlessedMe11 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Tutorial and Advice!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Most welcome. Let me know if you need anything else.
@saxMD2008
@saxMD2008 2 жыл бұрын
That was great!! Info I often wondered about and I love love love the historical perspective. Thank you:)
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm delighted that you foud it informative. I feel that this is a little aged now - I was still very ill when I made this but the points hold true. (as am I) but I'm planning another video about the development of the American acoustic guitar, so please keep watching. Thanks for your kind comments.
@Racking40
@Racking40 6 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Cpmprensive and easy to understand.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim.
@coffeekhan
@coffeekhan 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. Some good lessons in there for people looking to sort out their first guitar. You have some beautiful instruments there.
@dfpguitar
@dfpguitar 5 жыл бұрын
as for slotted headstocks, it does greatly increase the break angle of the strings across the nut. Theoretically this would mean string vibration is transferred to the guitar body better.
@gosman949
@gosman949 2 жыл бұрын
but must be hell changing the strings!
@chrisw5742
@chrisw5742 Жыл бұрын
But if you pluck the strings at that spot it is super high pitched. Will not resonate the guitar body at all. There won't be much vibration up there.
@otterman7441
@otterman7441 6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, thank you. My last acquisition recently was a Huss & Dalton 12-fret slope-shouldered dreadnought. I will say that the projection and presence of the 12-fret outdoes the rest of my 14-fret guitars. The volume is indeed a banjo killer and the sound also seems to be a bit richer than the 14-fret equivalents. The only downside is if in a jam I want to use a capo, one can't go up as far comfortably as on a 14-fret, but nonetheless, overall the sound differential is easily evident. So for us 'older' gents, the comfort is also a strong consideration.
@keithskelton5596
@keithskelton5596 3 жыл бұрын
Andy Very informative video Many thanks All the best for 2021
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@ViktorAlvar
@ViktorAlvar 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely guitars, great information. I really enjoyed watching this!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
@robertblackstock6866
@robertblackstock6866 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That was quite helpful and much more informative than anything else I've found. I am beginning guitar and like you I have short fingers with fat flat fingertips. It felt as if you were the person I should of been talking to all along. Thanks again. Much much appreciated.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, I'm so glad that you found it useful. It is a journey that e all have to make notonly to learn to play the things -but to find the size, and type of body and neck that best suits our hands and playing style.
@rvrwdr8623
@rvrwdr8623 5 жыл бұрын
Nice summary. I have a 12th fret joint slotted headstock coming. Good timing on finding you. Cheers.
@robinspat
@robinspat 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely talk, many thanks, very enjoyable. Best wishes
@Aljoshaaa
@Aljoshaaa 6 жыл бұрын
Great video thnxxx for posting, that 12 string at the end sounds like a piano, awesome guitarsss
@PhilTaylorGuitar
@PhilTaylorGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable to watch whilst having breakfast. Regards, Phil.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Phil, best to watch during breakfast - as I wouldn't want to spoil your evening meal! arf arf.
@scottmatheson2390
@scottmatheson2390 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful guitars S.M. The Collings do sound very full and balanced and resonant. I also appreciate your ideas concerning finding an instrument that is ergonomically ideal and doesn't cause any unnecessary discomfort. This is a subject that isn't discussed enough but certainly is a factor especially later on in life.
@Oklatucky_Guitarman
@Oklatucky_Guitarman 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I found you extremely informative and entertaining.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, so glad you enjoyed it and found it useful.
@user-ek1nv2yn5d
@user-ek1nv2yn5d 4 ай бұрын
You have shown me more in this video than any thing I have watched. You must be a teacher! Thank you so much!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 ай бұрын
Hi, yes, since 2020, I havebecome a guitar,singing, and performance teacher , or, I prefer, a mentor. I use "Zoom" to offer one to one sessions - please see : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otKCiMt30MC6enU.html
@rifugioseremus5943
@rifugioseremus5943 3 ай бұрын
So grateful for all this knowledge and wisdom you shared, I’ve had such a great time listening to you. Thank you 🙏🏼
@everythingbobbywolfe
@everythingbobbywolfe 3 жыл бұрын
This video is precisely what youtube is all about. I still enjoy many aspects of it, but this is the essence of what it used to be and what I wish it still was. Cheers to you, good sir.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@denismguitar1552
@denismguitar1552 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy you sharing your experiences with your guitars. I too have a strange draw to a 12 fretters. I don’t have one yet.... Thanks.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Denis, Some say that the 12 fret design gives a better sound than the 14 fret modification. I do not totally agree with that as I think that there ar more factors than the positioning of the bridge and the cubic capacity of te body that influence overall sound. When I began my search, it was purely about fretboard width, and before discovering my first Collings I had had a beautiful Bourgeois which had the most exquisite tonality but the 1 & 3/4" nut width and shallow profile still did not suit me. Once I'd got to know the Collings with its 1 & 13/16" nut width and 2 & 3/8" string spacing, I began to realise the other benefits of the design namely the way that my picking hand fell on the sweetspot, the overall balance of the guitar when seated and standing, and slotted headstock which allows for much easier fine tuning as the buttons for all strings fall straight into your hands without the wrist contortions that slabheads require. String changing is actually simpler for me than on slabheads although many seem concerned about it, but I have another video showing my method: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9xolKWo3avSgZ8.html. 12 fret guitars are, of course, not so suitable for the jazz players who need to chord above, say, the 7th fret. (I've got my archtops for that!) Thanks for watching, and if you can try out some 12 fretters, you might discover your "ideal" as did I.
@TomCafiero
@TomCafiero 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative... finally ordered a guitar with 47mm nut because I couldn't find anything stock, and refused to believe I was just "clunking" strings because of my lack of skill...thanks for the validation brother!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@michaelstrickand3858
@michaelstrickand3858 6 жыл бұрын
Great advice. To paraphrase, find the guitar that fits your body and desired sound. Takes some looking but we can eventually find it! Thank you, Andy!
@jgrossma
@jgrossma 6 жыл бұрын
Big advantage of a slotted headstock is that you can reach all the tuners easily with your left hand. Since I tune much more often than changing strings, for me this outweighs a possible slight increase in difficulty putting in new strings.
@Bagfuld
@Bagfuld Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Great video.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I try to help.
@Michael4yah
@Michael4yah 5 жыл бұрын
As a beginning guitarist with bad shoulders, large fingers, etc I really appreciated this video. Thanks for your efforts.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mchael, I'm s gald that you foud it useful. Regards,
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Seems I'm not so good at spelling today ! I mean to say that I'm very glad that you found it useful! (must be my keyboard!)
@kathie8842
@kathie8842 4 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this video and THANK YOU for all you put into it. The size of the guitar fitting a person is what I have struggled with! I will not settle for anything unless it is a 12 fret, for sure, and probably a parlor size, also. Glad you didn't spill that OJ... I was WATCHING it every time your hand went near it...
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Katherine, Glad it was helpful! Sorry about the juice. This was made a short while after my throat cancer treatment and I have to keep drinking.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, heard of them - forecasted their first single would do Ok, but I was a Stones man. Used to go see them live every Wednesday,helped Charlie in with his drums and he'd givema short lessons and homework. Mick and Keith were really kind to us little guys, tellng us abuot the blues giuys to lookout for. Never tried to sing a Beatles sing, but quite likes Sgt. Pepper.
@normanbuffett4642
@normanbuffett4642 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for the history lesson. I have a 12 fret Samick OM
@joshuabush1339
@joshuabush1339 Ай бұрын
Thank you for your advice. It helps ma think a bit differently about comfort with my small hands and stature, how I fret and stretch to reach as well as where my picking hand naturally falls. Thanks again!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jackd2587
@jackd2587 6 жыл бұрын
"Methodically" :) I enjoy your videos, thank you for sharing.
@alexmcmurtrieSits
@alexmcmurtrieSits 2 жыл бұрын
I love your capo analogy. Spot on. Thanks SM.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, and thanks for your comment. I confess that I haven't looked at this video for some time, and I'm a bit embarrassed at my speech back then - as I'd not long finished throat cancer treatment and speaking was very painful and difficult. However, thanks for watching.
@alexmcmurtrieSits
@alexmcmurtrieSits 2 жыл бұрын
@@SillyMoustache It's great to have you around and doing well.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexmcmurtrieSits Thanks, I'm touched!
@JoelBiger
@JoelBiger 6 жыл бұрын
A great sound for a great player !
@Baci302
@Baci302 4 жыл бұрын
What a great surprise to stumble onto your front porch, sir. Subscribed and Liked.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks so much - I just checked and I've done over 300 videos now - so please come in and have a look around- and I'm ALWAYS delighted to get comments and/or queries. Pl.note that the videos I made from about half way through 2017 for a year - some of my speaking might be difficult to understand as I was recovering from treatment on my throat. All the best!
@Baci302
@Baci302 4 жыл бұрын
@@SillyMoustache Absolutely. I'm a 61 year old guitarist who is beginning to develop some arthritis in my fingers and heard that 12 frets are much easier to play. So now I'm doing a lot of research on the different 12 frets out there. I really enjoyed your video and will definitely start checking out your other vids.
@arnlmndza
@arnlmndza 6 жыл бұрын
I was contemplating on selling a 1918 martin parlour (that needs neck and body work) for a new acoustic but this video is convincing me to have it repaired instead :) Thanks.
@michaellange6598
@michaellange6598 Жыл бұрын
Ivory keys?
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife
@TheWhiskeyCowboyLife Ай бұрын
Great video! I love how you went over "you" and how "you" fit with the guitars (and they with you). I find this to be overlooked so much by folks (more so those just jumping into playing). They get what they saw someone else like and play well, but not realizing it may not "fit" them the same and thus not play as nicely. The width of the neck, shape of the neck, string spacing, body shape and how it lays on you, and on and on. It all matters.. and more than some might think. I am a big guy so thought a dreadnaught would be the guitar for me, and more so I "had" to get a Martin, But after owning and playing a dreadnaught a lot, I found that my shoulder would ache. So I kept searching and playing other guitars; and fell in love with Taylors and more specifically their "14" shape (grand auditorium). It allowed me the size of a dreadnaught but the shape dropped the guitar lower when played sitting down, eliminating the shoulder stress.. BINGO! And the neck shape was also PERFECT for me (as some guitars just make me feel like I am playing with at 2X4. I also prefer (and I didn't know I would) a 14 fret with cutaway. This allows me to get to the higher notes I DO play. What and how I play is not as I thought it would be when I started really playing the guitar. And I smiled listening to your journey into finding YOUR prefered guitar(s) and why. Cheers!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Ай бұрын
Hi Whiskey, thank you for your comments and I'm glad that you found the guitar to suit you. Thanks for watching.
@davidrivas5740
@davidrivas5740 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns Mr. Silly Moustache. This is truly a lovely video. I hope this message finds you doing well. Merry Christmas! - DSR
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, considering that 12 fretters are deemed less popular than the later rhythm designs - I seem to have had a remarkable number of views on this video - which is great of course, and I'm so glad that you have found it of interest. All the best to you and yours for Christmas and 2019.
@bryantrockfield9865
@bryantrockfield9865 4 ай бұрын
Excellent Video !!!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@richtfingers
@richtfingers 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting chat! I especially agree with your point about finding a guitar that “fits” you. And “Walk Right In” sounds great on that 12 string! But slot heads are a pain to restring, you have to be so careful not to scratch the finish with the ends of the strings as you are fitting them and winding them.
@jimmyfranklin3862
@jimmyfranklin3862 6 жыл бұрын
Had a Collings D-1 Slotted it was amazing. I now own a 1971 D-35-S.Love it
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Surely that would be a DS1?
@DubMartin
@DubMartin 3 жыл бұрын
well done and well thought through. Oh, nice guitars too.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, seems I've converted a few folks along the way! Thanks for watching,
@peterstoltman8383
@peterstoltman8383 3 жыл бұрын
You got my full attention when you mentioned Isaac Guillory. I've been a fan of his since my teenage years and he was a rocker here in the US. Too bad there isn't more recorded output or video of Isaac in his later years available. Thank you for your insights on guitars.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, Isaac was a great talent and a real gentleman. There is an Isaac Guillory Appreciation society on Facebook and his son Easton is active on it. Easton has Isaac's ol' D35-S! Regards,
@JamesDonatelli
@JamesDonatelli 3 жыл бұрын
What a great history of the development of the modern guitar. And some great common sense tips gained from experience as to what makes a guitar fit the player for comfort and ease of play.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you James, I have another video about seeking instruments that fit you, your hands and your style. Thanks for watching.
@karlmichaelcronin9618
@karlmichaelcronin9618 Жыл бұрын
Great videos. Educational and interesting.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
I try. Thanks. Questions, comments and suggestions for more videos always welcomed.
@dylanthomas7443
@dylanthomas7443 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You are so precise and don't waste time. Thank you.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I'm delighted to read this, I feel that i tend to ramble somewhat. Maybe this one was an exception.
@dylanthomas7443
@dylanthomas7443 3 жыл бұрын
@@SillyMoustache No No whatever you say makes sense and your demeanour will let you say what you have to say. Great job.
@myacousticblues
@myacousticblues 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you!. I love the Harmony, that was an extra bonus! I have several old Harmonys, but nothing like that one! Great info on the 12 frets. Beautiful Collins guitars. Although i don't own any, I love the slotted headstock look! Best wishes!
@BhanteWayne1
@BhanteWayne1 3 жыл бұрын
In this video on 12 fretters, I like your logic and methodology for choosing an instrument. I followed the same process and brought home a Takamine EF740FS-TT two days ago. Still in new guitar heaven. Thanks also for your video on changing strings on the slot-heads. I'll be using that in the next few weeks.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Wayne, delighted to hear, er, read! had not heard of that guitar but it seems to have a nearly 1 &7/8" nut width. I wish you every happiness with it!
@dylanthomas7443
@dylanthomas7443 2 жыл бұрын
Wayne would really like your feedback on the Takamine EF740 how do you compare with the Collings or Martins that you may have tried? Thanks.
@josephduchene5849
@josephduchene5849 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I currently have a Martin HD-35 from 2008, but it's never felt like "my" guitar, despite being beautiful and sounding great. I got a Larrivee parlor guitar, 12-fret, thicker neck, and love it. This video helped reaffirm my decision to look for a dread that fits me better. We have similar hand shapes and thicker/wider neck doesn't seem like the intuitive choice, but here we are. Really great explanation
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
I believe that it isn't about the size of the hands ,more about the thickness of the fingertips. I hve coined the phrase FFTS (fat fingertip syndrome).
@jan-penny
@jan-penny 2 жыл бұрын
I happened across a 12 fretter some months back. I was steadily playing my way through Manson’s acoustic stock when I picked up a Taylor 322e, I fell in love with it immediately and it’s now home with me 🙂.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, I confess I know little about Taylors but I'm gald you found your ideal guitar.
@MichaelWatts
@MichaelWatts 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video Andy! We must catch up soon
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, many thanks !
@wildthistle535
@wildthistle535 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting discussion, thanks! FWIW, the new 2017 Martin D-28 ( I have one) neck is 1 3/4" at the nut, 2 1/8' at the 12th fret. I fond it easier to play than my 1970 Guild D-40, whose neck is a tiny bit narrower.
@mdavenpo
@mdavenpo 6 жыл бұрын
excellent... thanks coming to you from michigan. I love my martin d28hd :)
@Icanbyorsuprman1
@Icanbyorsuprman1 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video as I'm searching for the right nut width having bigger flat finger tips like you.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Joseph, then I hope I may speed your journey in finding the right guitar for you. Thanks for watching.
@angelbreath6539
@angelbreath6539 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff thanks uploader
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@JoelRossFilms
@JoelRossFilms 3 жыл бұрын
Well, your influence has created a monster. I never knew I needed a 12 fret guitar until I “met” you. I just came home with a 1971 Martin D35S and a 1969 D20-12. Last week was a 2014 O-15MS and a 00-15MS. Thanks a lot Andy!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
My Pleasure. The D35-S was what started it all for me! Seems you've bought a job lot!
@JoelRossFilms
@JoelRossFilms 3 жыл бұрын
I came across a fellow whose father recently passed. He had quite a few guitars. I bought the four from him. I figured I’d give them all a test drive and then decide which to keep. Of course I have a few of my own so decisions will need to be made as to what needs to go.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoelRossFilms Wow! It took me years of hard searching to get my 12 fret dreads, 12 strings nd othw together - you go out once and et "the set". Well done, Of course, I'm getting old and decrepit now so I may well be falling of the twig soon, and there will be all my gear for my family to dispose of. I'm anticipating a lot of good guitars coming up for sale as we baby boomers buy the farm.
@poppacooter
@poppacooter 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing. i liked the conversation.
@fixitmyself
@fixitmyself 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
and thanks for watching!
@ajlmirrormist
@ajlmirrormist 6 жыл бұрын
Most informative... many thanks. btw I bought my National Resophonic Style O in 1997 from the Acoustic centre in Birmingham.
@stickmanmusic5840
@stickmanmusic5840 Жыл бұрын
Aside from your excellent advice on finding guitars that fit (I like smaller guitars like the Martin 0-18 and Taylor GS Mini) I appreciate your playing!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jonboy8181
@jonboy8181 Жыл бұрын
They sound great. That juice on your couch made me nervous the whole time! 🤣
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Hi J.O., I got so many comments about the "OJ" on the seat! So I out in the detail below tat none was spilt. I was recovering from cancer treatment then (still am really) and needed liquid all he time. Thanks for watching.
@tommacdonald6295
@tommacdonald6295 Жыл бұрын
Great, very helpful, video. I prefer 12 frets with a slotted head just from experience over the years. It is a matter of both sound and playing comfort for me. Thanks for the great video 👍 .
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, and writing Tom, best, Andy
@f5mando
@f5mando 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, sir. I have the same requirement, with the small hands and fat-callused fingertips. I reached the same conclusion as you did - the slotted peghead for a steeper break angle at the nut, producing a more 'authoritative' tone IMO, and of course the wider neck to accommodate my fat tips. I also needed a smaller body size, as the dreadnoughts were bothering my right shoulder. Needing one immediately for a gig with a working country-rock band, I settled on the (newly released at the time) Martin 00015S. After a visit to the local repairman for a setup including a bone nut and saddle, Fishman under-saddle pickup, I was all set. I still am. I'll likely never part with it. Never say, 'Never', but hey...I've still got it! Cheers.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Hi F5mando - FYI I also have an F5 mandolin with a wider fretboard. - See: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nb2fd7Om1K29mYU.html Thanks for watching.
@williammorton7044
@williammorton7044 6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate ALL of your input - I wish I'd had access to it back before I ordered a custom Heritage Super Eagle back in 1999 who's body was Way Too Large for me - everything you said makes perfect sense to this wanna be player of 74 years Old - may GOD BLESS You and Your's and THANK YOU ! ! ! --- Snortin' Morton
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Snortin/ Norton (what a great handle!) I'm only glad that my comments have been of interest, and maybe of some use.
@sustainablelife1st
@sustainablelife1st 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 harmony guitars (OM style and classical) that i got in the early 70's. Amazing little guitars. solid cedar/solid mahogany.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@hubcitymn1
@hubcitymn1 5 ай бұрын
I am grateful for your sharing your knowledge with us. Thanks! Oh, by the way, I adore the Collings guitars, Sir.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 ай бұрын
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching.
@ukestudio3002
@ukestudio3002 2 жыл бұрын
Santa Rosa Ca. here. Thank you for immediate reply on your audio/video process. I See you attract polite, patient and appreciative viewers (comments); well deserved result from your Informative, subtle and necessary content - Happy to have found your channel.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure. It's about communication. I'm not selling anything, just speaking and playing for folks. Thanks for watching.
@Mr512austintexas
@Mr512austintexas Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very enjoyable and informative. In 2008 or so I got hold of a 1995 Santa Cruz 12 fret D, mahogany with slotted headstock, and it's surely one of the best guitars I've ever played.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Hi, in '99 when a kind sales person presented me with a Martin Hd26VS, a Bourgeios DS260, a SCGC d12, and a Collings DS2h, the Santa Cruz came a very close 2nd, but I preferred the slightly wider neck of the Collings. I also have a SCGC "RS" 12 fret deep body jumbo which is most satisfying.
@Mr512austintexas
@Mr512austintexas Жыл бұрын
@@SillyMoustache I noticed that you have the RS! I've never gotten the chance to try one of those, but it sure looks like it would be fun to play. One of my friends here in Austin has a Collings DS2h, which is for sure a beautiful guitar. I haven't noticed that the neck on the Collings is wider, but next time we get together I'll check that out. In any case, I'd never trade; my SC suits me just fine. It's noticeably lighter, and it always just sounds better to me. (This friend also has an enviable collection of vintage Martins from the '30's, '40's and '50's ... an embarrassment of riches ... ) 🙂
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
@@Mr512austintexas Hi Bruce, Yes, I got my RS from a private seller in New England in 2014. it replaced a Huss & Dalton 12 fret custom order that was unplayable from the start - lots of build issues. the RS seller couldn't get on with the deep body, but I don't have that issue and it booms away beautifully. Collings DS2h has a 1 & 13/16" nut width to a 2 &3/8£ string spacing. The SCGC D12 has a 1 & 3/4". Original Martins (by which I mean the 12 fret design have/had 1 & 7/8" nuts. it is all about what suits your style and your hands.
@Mr512austintexas
@Mr512austintexas Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that about the Huss & Dalton ... that sounds like a very disappointing experience, especially since it was a custom order. I've only bought two "new" guitars in my life: a Martin 00-16C (small body nylon string classical with wide neck and 12 frets to the body) which I bought in 1966 or so, and my first Santa Cruz, a D/PW, which I bought in 2002. Now I'm almost 71, and I'm enjoying playing more than ever. My guitars are like a small circle of really close friends to me, and every day we spend some time, asking "What's new?" There is so much to learn! 🙂
@dalehamon4295
@dalehamon4295 3 жыл бұрын
Love ❤️ this....I have two Gibson 12 fret guitars a 12 fret southern jumbo special and a Nick Lucas sunburst Brazilian rosewood
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear, please have a look at some of my other videos.
@harryhole4427
@harryhole4427 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent informative video. Like you I have been hooked on 12 frets for a long time and all for the same reasons. Recording King make some good ones for those just starting out. My go to is an Alvarez Masterworks solid mahogany which I find a joy.
@johnlynch6248
@johnlynch6248 6 жыл бұрын
Good advice. Get the guitar that fits. I have small hands, also, but every time I’m in a music shop I always prefer the larger necks. Afraid to pull the trigger on one in case my hand begins to hurt later on. That Martin 000-28vs looks so tempting. Thanks and you sound very clear in your speaking.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, delighted to hear that you could understand me - as I seem to have lost some sibilance in my voice as a result of my pallet being a little deformed after cancer treatment. BTW - the two guitars are Collings versions of the pre '34 12 fret dreadnought and the 12 fret 00028. It is a beautiful and practical design, so kudos to Martin for that!
@jeremyandelisha
@jeremyandelisha Жыл бұрын
Wow you have some fine guitars sir and you are a wealth of insight. I bought my first 12 fret guitar (Taylor 322) simply because I love the look of a slotted headstock lol. Then like you, I had a profound realization that It also had a slightly wider nut/ string spacing and most importantly I instantly became a better guitar player (still not very good but better indeed) with cleaner chords. I have drooled over the collins and Santa Cruz 12 fretters for a while... I wish I would have bought one in the 90s like you did but I played drums in a punk band so I had no chance of making a wise decision of any kind back then. Thanks for sharing!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache Жыл бұрын
Hi Jeremy, As you might have noted, most of my guitars are based on Martin designs, with just a couple on Giibson styles. I started playing in the mid/late '60s but only realy started acquiring this collection in the 21st century, and mostly after I retired. I also played drums in the '60s and early '70s. Thanks for watching.
@wayneosman8971
@wayneosman8971 6 жыл бұрын
I love your video on 12 fret guitars, it's too bad here in the States there aren't more musicians like you. I personally have a recording King ROS-10 a 12 fret OM, she's not a go getter but still gets the job done. I notice music stores and, or Internet stores are all about sales and nothing mentioned for people with distinct preferences like 12 fret instruments. You have woke a sleeping bear inside me and now the search is on for that elusive 12 fret. Please do more Videos, I'll be watching, Thanks Again.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Wayne, whilst I am proudly British my guitars, my playing style and my musical preferences are surely American or American influenced. I'll do more videos but what do you want me to talk about?
@spring74light
@spring74light 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative. Thank you. [Tyneside, England.]
@TheGreg2710
@TheGreg2710 3 жыл бұрын
That guitar is gorgeous. 🤟🏼
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Sadly I'm not! (but I mean well!)
@OpenDGuitar
@OpenDGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
I too have developed a love for the 12 fretters! Got a OOO but long for a slope shouldered dread version.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I started with a dread, then thought i needed a 000 to go with it. Both designs are excellent but the 0002h (Collings) or the Martin 0002hVS are extremely "ergonomic" - the 000 has been around since (I think) 1902!
@ericsharp3849
@ericsharp3849 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting observations nice playing and great guitars. I have a 000 12 fret (Faith/Furch) which I love because it has the volume and tone which seems out of proportion with its size. On top of that, it's great to sing with because the fretting hand is a bit closer in, and the body isn't such an armful. I understand that the shorter neck and the bridge shifted towards the middle of the lower bout both contribute to the sound. I'm a root position player by and large, so don't miss the higher frets.
@budm.1450
@budm.1450 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very informative video. I've been playing stringed instruments for more than fifty years now and again, I learned something. Like me, you have a few guitars. Just wondering what you do to keep the humidity level correct for your guitars. Do you have a room dedicated to your instruments as I do, or do you keep them all in their own individual cases? Thank you.
@mmd1957
@mmd1957 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, Very nice guitars! ..... (btw. Try “me - thod - i - cally”.......). I just got a 12 fret Martin Whiskey Sunset, it now my main gigging guitar, the D35s is still going strong with home use. Hope you have a very Happy Christmas!
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 6 жыл бұрын
Yup, I will - still having trouble with talking after the throat cancer. hope you can understand most of it.
@Johno143
@Johno143 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks for the vid.i found it really useful. Good information ..12 frets for me 👍
@ejsguitarplease
@ejsguitarplease 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, thanks from America! i'm trying to choose between the Collings DS vs. the Santa Cruz RS, did I see you pick up an RS briefly on this video? If you haven't already I'd love to see a side by side and your opinions on each. My main question is whether the slighty longer scale length of the Collings allows you to dig in more, as I typically play harder. Also any qualitative differences you feel are between the two! Thanks again, F
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Francis, Yes you did see a SCGC "RS" - Want a comparison ? Ok - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6eDebeht9jOhnk.html Digging in? Std 25.5" scale - definitely. Qualitative differences ..Huh? the Collings will always be the best built/finished, but SCGC will always be on the podium. Hope that answers your question, but happy to answer questions.
@JustClaude13
@JustClaude13 6 жыл бұрын
I can sympathize on the shoulder. I pulverized my left upper humerus at the end of November and the recovery is slow and tedious. As an experiment in tone color, could I suggest unison tuning on a 12 string? I use ball end nylons, which aren't loud, but I find the sound to be delicious.
@johntripp5159
@johntripp5159 6 жыл бұрын
I have an affinity for parlour guitars. My first one is a Yairi I bought in 1970. so far I haven't found anything comparable and up popped Recording King under $300 so I got one and now my antique sits in the humidifier more than she sits in my lap. under $300! round neck makes for easy finger picking which I prefer. i hope someday to hang a Martin on my wall for decoration.
@Morten_Nielsen1979
@Morten_Nielsen1979 6 жыл бұрын
john tripp Which model is the Recording King?
@johntripp5159
@johntripp5159 6 жыл бұрын
ROS-06... time for new strings. I use Ernie Ball light gauge and Gibson medium picks if I use one.
@jessd1952
@jessd1952 6 жыл бұрын
I am quite amazed at the sound of the Recording Kings. I thought they were cheap toys until I heard one
@jodydeboer7927
@jodydeboer7927 5 жыл бұрын
I have the rec-king as well,wonderful guitar for the price..
@bishopk99
@bishopk99 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I commented on this particular video. If I did, I am not sorry, lol ! Such a great teacher and love all of the stories behind your Guitar Arsenal. Thanks, I am purchasing two new (to me) 12 fret guitars. I will post them on the AGF site. So cool to find you in the big Google Search engine for my question 12 vs. 14. You sir, have arrived in the internets Hall of Fame for guitar wisdom. Thank you and look forward to watching and reading you sage posts on the AGF.
@SillyMoustache
@SillyMoustache 2 жыл бұрын
Well, thank you! I'm so glad that you have found my video and writings of use!
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