Why I Shoot A Long Bow And Does It Matter

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Why I Shoot A Long Bow And Does It Matter
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@reedmitchell6716 2 жыл бұрын

Great job on donation of bear mount. Your truly a stand up guy with all you do for the outdoorsman community. Good luck with the move.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm so happy the bears den took the bear. Now family's will enjoy it for generations and kids will get thier pictures taken with it etc.

@jackgriffith9229 2 жыл бұрын

I am a traditional Archer . I am gifted with an excellent and amazing ability to to Miss then think through what I did wrong and then continue to miss ! I am having fun shooting minute of broad side of an Airplane Hanger, but hey, who’s keeping track anyway?

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

hahahaha! Love it! as long as you are having fun thats all that matters.

@larryreese6146 6 күн бұрын

@@jackgriffith9229 no expert but you'll get better. Look a hole through the target and don't overthink the shot. If the target is 4 inches put a mental bb right in the middle of it, come to anchor, and let her rip. Schultz has a good video on you tube. Hitting them like Howard Hill. Listen to what that guy teaches. Hill made Fred Bear look like a novice.

@kduffin33 Жыл бұрын

I just wanted to say you seem like the nicest guy! Thanks for info, I’m 28 and have been Shooting compound for the last 4-5 years with my dad and just got into trad in the last month because of your channel and am freakin loving it! Thanks for the inspiration.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the world of traditional bowhunting. You are going to love it. These is nothing better and the hunting skills a traditional bow will teach you are next level.

@kentwilliams3326 2 ай бұрын

Years ago 1st day of deer season I was sitting down wind of a heavily used trail. I was carrying a Martin Mamba recurve. The next day I hunted with a Howard Hill "Big Five" longbow and as I stepped into the woods with that longbow I suddenly felt "as one" with the forest. No clue why, but from that day on I carried a longbow and smiled.

@SamkoTradBow 2 ай бұрын

That's how it should be. The bow should just feel like home. When it does, thats whats best for you.

@MrFreeGman Жыл бұрын

I bought my first recurve a little over a year ago and learned on it. The people at the shop convinced me to go with a recurve even though I wanted a longbow. I ended up buying an American longbow a few months later anyways. Something was drawing me to it. Today the longbow is what I shoot with 90% of the time. It just feels better in every way. People at the range told me that it was a bad idea because of the hand shock, but I don't even feel it anymore. And the fact that it's so much lighter is a huge factor when you're hunting. There's a weird bias against longbows in my local archery community that I don't really understand.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

yep its like that in pretty much all areas. local archery shops always think they know whats best for you because they spend all day telling people what works best. its a common cycle. but glad you stepped outside of the box and tried something different. im right there with you. got my first longbow many years ago and have not hunted with a recurve since and probalby never will again.

@bradleytannehill9585 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure I’ll be in the long bow club eventually. All I have is a few recurves and sinking my teeth into traditional archery still. Appreciate your channel, I learn something new from each video you share and appreciate it immensely.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

A longbow is definitely worth trying. But can't go wrong with recurves either. But you won't know what you like best until you try both

@mikefromoh2925 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jason, I appreciate so much that you put out these kinds of videos. Myself when I was a kid I used to shoot a longbow with plastic vanes and remember plenty of times how bad that hurt when the vaneslipped across my knuckles. For me to use a long bow I’d have to get over that fear, for now I prefer a shelf to keep my hand away from that thing!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep I was never a fan of shooting off the knuckle much either. I shot now where I just barely feel it with my hand right on the shelf. But I let the shelf do most of the work!

@roddnelson1519 2 жыл бұрын

Just switching from Compound to traditional, still have both but just for pleasure shooting traditional wins hands down. Recently I bought a Mad Dog reflex/deflex long bow and couldn't be happier. Also shooting 3 under now which is working for me. Really enjoying your channel, defiantly worth subscribing. Keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing more!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the world of traditional archery and you got a great bow! Thanks for commenting and any questions ask!

@joedaniels4646 2 жыл бұрын

Great video brother. I shoot recurves, but have built a few Mollegabet longbows and love shooting them. I actually shoot them a little more than my store bought recurves. Love your videos, God bless you and your family!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video! Glod bless you and yours as well!

@brianchantler2959 2 жыл бұрын

When I watched this video and you were talking about how a recurve grabs every little branch and twig, I thought to myself it can't be that bad. I just when for a walk through the bush to go stump shooting and you're right! Holy cow it's like it has a pair of hands reaching out and grabbing everything!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

hahahaha! Yep they sure love to hook the branches between the limb and string.

@peterellis4262 2 жыл бұрын

The compound grip is similar to the recurve ;) Remember which came first. Both are effectively pistol grips. I've shot for sixty years, recurves and longbows, no compounds for me ;) And it's about what you enjoy using, more than anything else. Whatever floats your boat, if it feels good to you, if you enjoy using it, there's the why. :)

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

agree 100% with all of that

@draven3838 2 жыл бұрын

I really like my longbow over compound bows ,I like the challenge it presented and the smoothness of the release from a long bow

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@TheWVgoodguy22 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video explaining YOUR preference between the two main styles or shapes of traditional bows 🏹🏹. After listening I may be inclined to go towards a takedown longbow. Best of both worlds for me as a beginner. A grip style that is more familiar and comfortable to me but with the durability and forgiveness of a longbow, plus not as much string snagging branches etc… I have been looking at the Galaxy Ember 60” takedown longbow on Lancaster for $199. It’s pretty much their version of the Black Hunter. I saw a couple more reasonable priced options on Amazon that I may think about as well. Plus with a takedown I can buy limbs and maybe a different string for a recurve if I wanted to or vice versa. Thanks again for sharing

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a rock solid plan with great reasoning! You will love that bow! Hearn many great things about it.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

I have both, an old Actionbow 8200 by Actionrod 60 inch duel sided all fiberglass flat limb longbow made from 1961 to 1979. Bow has minor notch handle with flat front to handle, I use more of a straight gripping style. With the flat limb longbow it is a 36 pound bow that I pull 34/35 pounds due to bow having a 4.5 to 5.5 inch brace height, once of the lowest in a mass produced bow that had weights over 30--35 pounds (with a 39 pound and 42 pound) until the super recurve bows came out. I then have a better Chinese made recurve bow off Amazon using a better fast flight Flemish twist string with Bear hair rest. The recurve is an OEELINE Airobow, the 54 inches one piece model that is basically a Super Grizzly but all proportions down to a 54 inch bow except the brace height of 6.5 to 7.5 inches. I pull that 54 inch recurve that is 45 pounds to 35/36 pounds due in part to a higher brace height of 6.5 inches I set bow to. I still try to as much as I can use a flat handle longbow/Asiatic bow type grip for the recurve as this feels best for me. The reason I have both styles is I wanted to try a longbow when I got back into archery in 2021, having only ever used except one time recurve bows or at one point a beginner compound from Genesis but the older 15--35 pound bow only made until sometime in 2000's. I just wish my flat limb longbow was a laminate bow because I find even in recurve that an all fiberglass bow as the speed of arrow release is more tied to poundage then with laminate bows but even more so due to this bow being a longbow design. I do like how little recoil the flat limb longbow I have has probably due to the bow being all fiberglass as the big reason as the flexible material can take up the shock. I know one bow I have used in the past have given me some hand shock, an old 35 pound Shakespeare/Root Targetmaster, probably because that bow needs one of two types of almost no grip styles of holding the bow to work best.

@terrymattson3587 2 жыл бұрын

Very well said. These are the reasons I switched to longbow or D bow.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video!

@calhiser8265 5 ай бұрын

I have been bow hunting sense 1969. I have had a recurve bow make noise, when string wax lifted off the limb in the draw. And yes there are fixes but a long bow can't do that. The Howard Hill Wesley Special is my favorite. In 60lbs and 65lbs.

@SamkoTradBow 5 ай бұрын

Always wanted a wesley special! Amazing bows.

@kentwilliams3326 2 ай бұрын

My favorite also. The Wesley Special is with a "lamboo" limb core. Sadly, Craig is retiring.

@charlesgray372 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you on shoot what is the best fit for you. I love shooting longbows but got caught up in shooting for score at 3D tournaments and went to recurves. 2 months ago I traded my 64 inch Black Widow PMA to a friend for his 64 inch 3rivers Tomahawk. It draws 45 lbs at my draw length. I shoot longbows better because I enjoy shooting them more if that makes any sense. I enjoy the feel of the longbow at the shot. I don't have to worry about twisting a limb and you are right about recurves collecting every limb, twig or vine between the string and the limbs. Also I shoot higher scores on the 3D ranges than a lot of recurve shooters.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Love hearing this. Your 100% right. It has to be fun or don't do it. For me I enjoy a longbow more.

@meganrosche3842 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Shot my Bear Kodiak Magnum all year last year and it's just not quiiiiiiite what I want. Been thinking a longbow is what I'm really looking for and your video addresses the points I've been considering. Like the hill style grip! Now to start tracking a bow down for purchase...

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Lots of great longbows out there. call steve at northern mist for sure and many other amazing bowyers out there.

@CHALLENGE_M.O.T. Жыл бұрын

Good job. Perfect explained. Best wishes from Germany

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it

@HobbiesHobo 2 жыл бұрын

Team Recurve checking in! Just cause I like 'em. haha. Although I have to admit finding an "Archery Shop" that knows what "Brush Buttons" are can sometimes be tricky. haha, Mike.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep love those sexy recurves! And it is amazing how many places never heard of a brush button!

@graphguy 2 жыл бұрын

I love the traditional element of a long bow, but I love recurves too. I HATE the fact that archery shops know almost zero about longbows, recurves for that matter.... they focus on compounds almost exclusively and I am not talking about big box outdoor shops either.

@TheHYENA87 2 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean, I sometimes day dream about owning a "traditional archery shop" but then I wake up and realize it would be myself and maybe 2 others playing with 60 bows in a shop, with bankruptcy to follow....it helps to find a fellow hunter that has been doing it for a long time in your area, second best is forums, that's more helpful then most stores.

@graphguy 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHYENA87 great thoughts. If I was an old crusty trad expert, I would do it and not worry about bankruptcy. Instead I am just an old crusty neophyte lover of tradition.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

yep box sporting goods stores and even most of the archery only shops ive been in are 99% crossbow and compound

@allthingsarcheryandshootin9380 2 жыл бұрын

Mandarin Duck makes a great 2 pc takedown longbow for about $500, and it is mass produced, but on a smaller scale. A great bow.

@bruce6341 2 жыл бұрын

New to your channel and loving it. Think I need a longbow now!!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying the videos! I agree, I think everyone should have a longbow🤣

@SamuraiJake22 2 ай бұрын

this pushed me to try a longbow. thank you

@SamkoTradBow 2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it.

@Dungeons_and_Crawdads Жыл бұрын

I shot my first longbow in middle school… then again here about 3 weeks ago at the Celtic Fling PA Ren Faire.. immediately fell in love with it. Now my issue is finding an affordable traditional longbow cause budgets be tight.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

The black hunter longbow on amazon is excellent and very affordable. Know many people shooting it and love it. The bewr Montana is an excellent longbow for a good price and there are lots of used custom bows for about half what they were new on places like the leatherwall and tradgang

@blackhatch46 5 ай бұрын

Recurves are factually better with every measurement except noise. But no one can argue if your preference is a longbow! I like both.

@sheerwillsurvival2064 2 жыл бұрын

That’s so awesome love that bow

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Steve sure does build an amazing longbow

@robertcunningham8374 2 жыл бұрын

I began my bow shooting with a Recurve bow. What I like about the long bow is for me the draw is smoother. Also I just like the feel of the shot more than a recurve. Totally agree they are still great bows but I like the long bow more. Just a preference.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Well said and I 100% agree with everything you said

@ronmesser9091 Жыл бұрын

Most bows today are pistol grip Bear has made this very comfortable pistol grip since the beginning many other bowyers of the past are not built that way , I have about 14 vintage bows different makers but I still love all of these old bows regardless of the grip style

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Yep. 100% correct. Bear always does things right. Such a great company that has brought so much to the bowhunting world

@TheHYENA87 2 жыл бұрын

There is no touching a longbows durability, and silence. Your AK reference is spot on! Yes personal preference, what shoots best for YOU is what you should shoot an animal with... I would like a video on your opinion on draw weights, particularly for the crowd using sub 40s longbows, and how that effects hunting.... Lower draw weights for hunting are quite the topic lately.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

This is to the persons draw weight, low under 40 pound bows mind you.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Will make that video happen asap! Great topic and great idea. Will be making that video very very soon.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

@@caseysmith544 I will be making that video asap.

@TheHYENA87 2 жыл бұрын

@@caseysmith544 I'm chasing elk, bear and deer this year with a 45 pound longbow 🙂

@TheHYENA87 2 жыл бұрын

@@Chriskelly19067 I couldn't agree any more with ya. Absolutely, the bow/arrow combo that goes to the lung best is what weight you should shoot...I usually get pass throughs with 3 blade vpas on my 45 pounder if placement is good.

@rampantcolt1684 2 жыл бұрын

Good video! 👍

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@jamescooper2618 2 жыл бұрын

The recurves you were demonstrating are modern bows. The grip on a '50s style recurve is much different, usually very slim and straight. It's a much different feel.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Correct

@chattahoocheeoutdoorsman4865 2 жыл бұрын

I really like ASL longbows. I always heard about the "hand shock" they had until I shot one. It was a JD Berry and it shot like a dream. I regret not buying it when I had the opportunity.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep hand shock is user error. An asl is not designed to be shot with light weight arrows and a whimpy grip.

@chattahoocheeoutdoorsman4865 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow yeah. I've shot a variety of styles and they are the smoothest of them all. I don't know what the arrow weight was for that bow, but I'm pretty sure they were on the light side.

@plsbanhackers9031 Жыл бұрын

I used to shoot years ago. I started out with Olympic style recurves, and when I got my hands on a longbow for the first time it felt just right. Wasn’t as snappy but it felt like how a bow should be, if it makes any sense

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Can 100% understand that. Was the same for me. A longbow just felt right and from the day I got my first one I never hunted with a recurve again

@MrRourk 5 ай бұрын

I have been eyeing this Grayvn U Finish It English Longbow Kit. I think it will go nicely with the Rarog I ordered from Sarmat Archery.

@SamkoTradBow 5 ай бұрын

Very nice

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

If anyone is looking for a lightweight recurve, the Bear archery bows they make tend to be some of the lighter/lightest recurve bows on the market with the one piece bows they make. I have not really found any of the laminate recurve bows to be lighter except some of the all fiberglass one piece bows, mainly Ben Person or Bear being the lightest for hunting weights. I bet some like the Martin or other even higher end recurve hunting designed bows are lighter bows for a recurve then what Bear makes, but I have not used those bows.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep a one piece recurve sure is light weight! and they are sexy as well. love the lines of a one piece.

@journeyman7189 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Jason. Have you ever had trouble with feathers shooting off your fingers? Nate

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

I cut the points off the feathers bases before I glue them on so never been an issue. I don't actually shoot off my knuckle but rather have my knuckle right at the edge of the shelf so I do often feel the shaft go by.

@keithatwood5648 Жыл бұрын

His praising of the recurve, throughout the video, is like him trying to explain why he had to leave one of his kids behind in the woods

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

It's a longbow

@kidneystones3406 2 жыл бұрын

I am fan of Fred bear and the last couple years I have been adrenaline whitetails with Jared Shaffer. I listened to Jared Shaffer on a podcast and believe the reasons why he chosen the longbow were very similar to yours.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

yep its all personal preference just like ford or chevy, ar or ak. etc. but I sure do love my longbows.

@jackgriffith9229 2 жыл бұрын

Oh C’mon! Let’s face it! Longbows are fun ! Recurve bows are fun also! Properly Spined arrows cut to the correct length with the right weight field point make the bows even more fun ! Now throw in the right quiver tab/glove target 🎯 and place to shoot and then you are a happy archer!

@rootjr.3658 Жыл бұрын

Not all recurves have a high-wristed grip. There are still many bowyers making 50's style recurves. They will likely have more of a dished area under the shelf than an ASL, but still require a low-wristed full grip to shoot. I am sure you already know this fact, but wanted to point it out because you were talking in absolutes. Also, between myself and my father we have owned several longbows and reflex/deflex bows. I love the look, but have yet to find one with with as smooth of a draw or as quiet as our Kohanna Kurves. I think we have about 6 of these between us also. However, you do have me wanting to try out a Northern Mist for myself. I might have to see if they will be at Cloverdale or if I can find a used one at a reasonable price.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct

@johnk5193 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video! What brace height and nock point are you shooting? I bought a used NM classic. I'm trying to tune it up. Thanks

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

I run my nock half inch above center and my brace at 7 inches. If I drop to 6.75 I hit my arm

@pathfinder5804 Жыл бұрын

So for pure looks I like the way a recurve looks better. Now I like the absolute simplicity of a long bow! Funny as much as I like both I’m actually wanting a Hoyt Satori for some reason. I guess I’m thinking one setup with multiple limbs could be more versatile? Lighter limbs in off season to keep shooting and as season comes closer quick switch and heavier limbs. The look is a little different but does look kinda mean. Still luv the look of a Black Widow KBx!!!

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Can never have too many bows and so many great styles out there.

@duanejeffries5067 Жыл бұрын

I have some GOOD NEWS for you. NO ONE has only one bow! If you haven't talked yourself into several additional bows after your first one, then you need a shooting partner or partners. Also, I would be hard-pressed to decide between a Hoyt takedown recurve bow and just any model of Blackwiddow recurve. No, I'd have both. (They would hang in my den next to my Howard Hill longbow, when not in use).

@jamesgunter9100 8 ай бұрын

One more plus when hunting with a longbow: I frequently use my longbow as a "steady stick" to steady my binoculars when glassing from a standing position. The recurves I have are too short for that.

@SamkoTradBow 8 ай бұрын

Great point!

@draven3838 2 жыл бұрын

My first bow was a fred bear recurve ,I have a samic sage and love it , I'm building a yew longbow and a tri lamenent longbow

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Thats awesome! its has to be such a great feeling harvesting food from the wild with a bow you made yourself!

@timothym9398 2 жыл бұрын

I shoot two types of bows. Historical longbows i make myself, with no shelf whatsoever, shooting off of the hand, and historical Turkish style bows with a thumb draw. Mostly because I'm a giant history nerd. The best bow for you, is the one you actually get out to the range with. I don't enjoy shooting modern bows nearly as much as historical bows. I just wouldn't practice as much with even the modern style longbows with a shelf, not because they're bad, but instead because they just don't have the same intrinsic appeal for me.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Well said and there are many styles of traditional bows out there. We all have to find what we enjoy shooting the most

@larryreese6146 6 күн бұрын

The length of a longbow is a plus. Recurves tend to be shorter and fussier. I like a longer recurve. Problem is a longer recurve tends to be lighter in pull weight, usually. I'm 71 years old and shoot a 65 pound longbow just fine. The longbow is just more forgiving.

@SamkoTradBow 6 күн бұрын

@@larryreese6146 I think a longbow is more forgiving too

@soulsnatcher6525 2 жыл бұрын

I like a standard grip.

@Bowfella Жыл бұрын

I made the switch to recurve after putting my bows through a chronograph. My 40lb recurve limbs were going the same speed as my 47lb longbow limbs with the same riser, brace height, and arrow. If I can use a lighter bow without sacrificing speed I will obviously take it

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Yep crazy how much variation is in speed between different bows.

@tomh7708 2 жыл бұрын

Agree.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video

@barrystricklin2230 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice thing donating your bear l have 5 bear mounts myself it would be tough to give one up so many memories when l look at them your a good feller l loved this one about the bows l have killed deer with both but l prefer the recurve l just shoot it better

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It's great that the bear is in a good place and will be enjoyed by so many now.

@Nick-wn1xw Жыл бұрын

Personal preference is all the answer anyone ever needs to give.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

True but sometimes people want to know why that personal preference is what it is.

@TheIconicFisherman 8 ай бұрын

I mean yes there are very few bolt down takedown style longbows I can only think of one manufacturer that has them. But as far as ILF longbow limbs there are plenty of manufacturers for those that I could mention.

@SamkoTradBow 8 ай бұрын

Very true

@truebeliever8605 Жыл бұрын

What tyoe of bow do you have? Great video thank you

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Northernmistlongbows.com classic model

@FISHUNTREECOUNTRY 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@WildernessMedic 2 жыл бұрын

Curious what you mean there are no mass produced takedown longbows? I have a Galaxy Ember that is a takedown longbow.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

I ment longbows not longbow limbs bolted onto a riser. I should of been more clear. There is nothing wrong with 3 peice longbows. But my mind was thinking no mass produced sleeve or hinge style take down longbows.

@graphguy 2 жыл бұрын

Not a directly related question/thought, but......... Do you think that most dear shot at in the under 20 yard range (maybe even more so with a recurve) respond to the sound of the bow by dropping in spring mode to take flight before the arrow gets there? The point is that if so, then one's aim should be lower than on a static target. Watching videos of actual hunts I have observed two things. 1. Most misses are high 2. That a significant amount of dear did drop to spring load their flight My hunting experience is with guns, not yet tradbow. Shotgun shooting for deer at 30 yards typically has ballistic speeds around 1,200 fps, give or take. Which is far faster than any arrow. The deer have zero time to respond, but at a arrow speed of 170 fps... it seems it is a significant factor. Thoughts?

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct. But it's not just traditional bows. Until arrows reach 5 or 600 fps deer are fast wnough to jump the string on any bow today. Probably less likely with a traditional bow do to most trad guys shooting heavy arrows and the bows are so quiet. But nonetheless, all deer can jump the string as we call it and duck the arrow. It is a good idea to aim for the lower 1/3rd of a deer so that if he does drop you still get him and if he doesn't drop you still get him.

@kentonward97 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to try a short “ long “ bow. The one thing I don’t like is the length. But I would agree a recurve demands mostly perfect form. But like you say it’s preference. I love my 48” bow for blinds and tree stands. I love my 58” bows for ground stalking. I am like you though vertically challenged so choices sometimes are limited. I buy all my bows off of eBay and I have gotten very lucky getting reasonably priced good bows. I agree you can control hand shock by brace height and arrow weight. I have had hand shock with recurved as well so I don’t believe someone when they say hand shock with a long bow only.

@TightwadTodd 2 жыл бұрын

There really, is no such thing as a Short Longbow. Its a contradiction and a term made up by people to designate bows for classes in competition. The length, is what makes them Smooth to draw and forgiving. The shorter you go, the more you have to manipulate the limbs to accommodate the same draw or, you encounter stacking and finger pinch. When that is necessary, they are no longer, an ASL or Longbow, but a Hybrid, regardless of what people want to call it.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

You are not alone, I have gotten hand shock from a Shakespeare/Root 35 pound Targetmaster due in part the bow probably needs to be used the way you see modern ILF target bows being used by most people with either the one/two finger grip or even using the finger brace with almost no contact.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

@@TightwadTodd About as Short as I see is a 60 inch longbow but 90 precent of these bows are all fiberglass with new bows highest weights of these all fiberglass bows being advertised as 30--35 pound bow like the SAS Robinhood or the Bear Firebird with the Bear Firebird being a true reflex deflex bow. 62 inches is about as small as I have seen for a laminate flat limb longbow.

@TightwadTodd 2 жыл бұрын

@@caseysmith544 Ron Laclair was having a hybrid bow made, that was as short as 54 inches, if memory serves.. it was called the shrew.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Love that you have figured out exactly what works best for you in each situation you hunt in! Thats what the world of traditional bowhunting is all about! And agree 100% on the hand shock. hand shock is just wasted energy by bad arrow choices.

@jamesh.2138 9 ай бұрын

Hello there just wanted to thank you for your awesome videos I have learned a lot from them, just recently started traditional archery 2 years ago, from a compound, I have a 55# bear Montana, was wondering if that is a good quality bow or not, or should I go with a custom? ( your opinion) thanks

@jamesh.2138 9 ай бұрын

I think that would make a great video lol when and why to switch from a mass production longbow to a custom, is it like trading in an old ford Taurus for a Cadillac? They both will still get you there, but the Cadillac is much better lol

@SamkoTradBow 9 ай бұрын

The bear Montana is an absolutely amazing bow that will serve you well forever! Quality bow thru and thru. I did make a video called are mass produced bows any good. It cover alot of the differences. If you search "mass bows" on my channel it will pop right up.

@jamesh.2138 9 ай бұрын

Awesome will do and thanks again for the advice and input greatly appreciated!!!

@SamkoTradBow 9 ай бұрын

@@jamesh.2138 anytime

@glenurquhart2300 Жыл бұрын

Great explanations ! I'm still in the studying phase and money is tight . I have pretty much settled on the Sage as my first bow. I will mostly be shooting targets but will probably hunt with it when my skill level gets good enough. I'm an old bush Alaskan close range rifle hunter. So I know how accurate i Need to be to cleanly take game. One question I have tho. Everyone says start with a light poundage bow. How light should I need to go ? I'm a 220 lb 5'9" retired timber Faller, framer, Laborer. 63 y.o. stronger than average but no powerlifter. Currently still logging, milling , building and taking care of my homestead. Off grid in Interior Alaska. My thoughts for hunting is to use 50 to 60 lb. Would 40 lb limbs be light enough for starting out ? Or should I go lighter. Not trying to pin you down, but looking for some real world advice.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Trad bow weight is measured at 28 inch draw. And goes up or down about 3 pounds per inch of draw either direction. So you will want to find out what your draw length will be. If you buy a 50 pound bow and you draw 29 inches your weight will be 53 pounds. If you draw 27 inches your weight will be 47 pounds. I bet 45 pounds would be a great starting point for you and very easy. Or you could go right to 50 with no problem. Will only take a week or so to develop the muscles needed when you start shooting. After that week the 50 pounds will be a breeze

@glenurquhart2300 Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow Thank You so Much. That was something I couldn't understand about all the light poundage advice given on many channels. But it seemed like the automatic thought process was to shoot 100 arrows a day . Every day. I don't do Anything that Much ! I think I have a 27 1/2" draw. At least that's how long I can reach with both hands on a yard stick touching my chest ( actually a drywall square) . I was thinking if I can shoot 15 arrows a day for the first week. Then 20 then 25 ect per day for 5 days each week. Pretty soon I should have pretty good control of the bow. I really enjoy your vids. And your straight forward , practical approach to getting hunting accurate. I'm thinking to start my hunting by hunting snowshoe hare and grouse. But that won't be for a while.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

@Glen Urquhart yep I don't shoot 100 arrows a day either. More like 100 a week! It won't take yoy long to be hunt ready with it

@jscott4431 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason. I'm fairly new to traditional archery and currently shooting a recurve but I really want to purchase my first longbow. Can you recommend any brand or longbow company for someone on a budget? Appreciate any thoughts. Thanks!

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

The black hunter longbow on amazon is affordable and excellent. It has a cult like following for that bow and people love it. Cal also check out the bowhunting forums and Facebook groups for used bows. Often great bows can be bought for less than half thier normal price

@jscott4431 Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow Thanks for the feedback. I'll check it out. I've learned so much by watching your videos. Very much appreciated!!

@samleverett58 Жыл бұрын

I like my longbow because its much more difficult to torque than my recurves. So my my shots that aren't spot on with the longbow tend to be closer to the bullseye than with the recurve.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Agree 100

@tradmanmike3360 2 жыл бұрын

I SHOT A MARTIN MAMBA AT A 3D SHOOT YEARS BACK. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT. NOW DAYS MY FAVORITES ARE THE 56" CURVES DUE TO SHORT HEIGHT 5'8". I DID KILL A BUCK IN 2020 WITH A #40, 62" ALL CARBON LONGBOW. I DO FIND MYSELF GOING BACK AND FORTH, LAST FALL HUNTED WITH BOTH CURVE AND 60" HYBRID LONGBOW. IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING OUT THERE IN GOD'S WOODS.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Well said! it is all about getting in the woods and the enjoyment and adventure. Bow length never mattered to me to much. I have hunted with 58 inch recurves to 66 inch longbows. all work great. I shoot 64 inch longbows all year now. and im only 5'6" tall. with a 25.5 draw. but the 64 is so butter smooth and forgiving i stick with that length.

@bernatbabcsan8248 2 жыл бұрын

I have 60 lbs vegh turkish, it has no arrowshelf, shoots 8.5gpp 200-210 fps, but i have a recurves, all wood selfbows, magyar hornbow, love em all :-)

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep any tradbow is a beautiful bow

@joeromesburg1388 11 ай бұрын

Baraga or Classic as your favorite tree stand hunting bow then?

@SamkoTradBow 11 ай бұрын

Classic. the classic is my favorite bow Ive ever shot. and I didnt notice any difference going from 60 to 64" no big deal at all.

@bwfreel 2 жыл бұрын

I do think your point about durability is valid

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

And thats 100% ok. To me in my mind its 100% valid and thats all that matters in my decision making Yours can be completely different and thats all good too.

@bwfreel 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow I think you Mia

@bwfreel 2 жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstood…… I agree with you , I think those narrower but thicker limbs ARE more durable@@SamkoTradBow

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

@@bwfreel you are correct. I did miss understand. Actually I read it wrong and thought you said you "didnt" think my durability point was valid. My mistake for reading it wrong. What you said is my thinking to the limb design in my mind would be stronger. Sorry for the mistake

@michaelpozzini6426 2 жыл бұрын

Shot many longbow they all had handshock to me. While others didn't feel it, I prefer a shooting a recurve

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found what works best for you.

@CaddRome Жыл бұрын

I don't mind handshock personally, just isn't fun for long periods of time

@chiliboom6140 Жыл бұрын

I may have missed it, what is the brand/model of your longbow?

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

Northernmistlongbows.com classic model

@chiliboom6140 Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow Hey thank you, sir! I really appreciate that. I only recently found you on here but I really enjoy what you're doing. Thank you and please continue.

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

@@chiliboom6140 Thank you. Greatly appreciated

@TightwadTodd 2 жыл бұрын

The Reflex/ Deflex as many call the modern laminated Hybrid bows, is actually a contradiction, that i see many, including Bowyers, improperly use for the style. Its actually a Deflex/ reflex. A true R/D is the style common among many Native people, often referred to as a double curve or Gull wing style. In talking with some of the Men who developed the style, in the modern laminated hybrid bow, they referred to them, as a Duo flex.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

Other companies from 1940's to 1950's when this style was developed, I see them selling in catalogs as a Semi Recurve or Semi Longbow depending to which design was closer to the bow style, they were selling even into the 1960's. Then by the early 1970's somebody started the Reflex Deflex name most use still today, though some of the almost recurve still get called a semi recurve by some companies again because they are making nearly recurve bows.

@TightwadTodd 2 жыл бұрын

@@caseysmith544 That is correct. Some did call them that as well. Earl Hoyt and Tim Meigs called them a Duo flex.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting and learned something new. Thanks for sharing that info.

@mauricesmith4270 2 жыл бұрын

No the compound bow grips copying from the recurve in Wich came first I do not consider a compound bow archery enough said

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

there are more and more people every day that feel the same way you do. Especially with all the tech that keeps coming out.

@kitsune7215 2 жыл бұрын

Do you ever use your longbow in a ground blind? Wondering how well that'd work if it does.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Used to shoot out of our double bull ground blind and they work just fine.

@kitsune7215 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBowGreat to know, just found your video and channel and perked my interest in trying longbow, comming from compounds and recurves. Have a good one.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

@@kitsune7215 glad you enjoyed the video. Any questions anytime just ask

@Kyle-sr6jm 2 жыл бұрын

I primarily run a longbow built with a recurve style grip. It is quiet, casts heavy arrows really well, and a great shooting bow. But my ILF setup with Uukha limbs is nearly as quiet, throws the same weight of arrow just as fast, with a #5 lower draw weight.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you have 2 great set ups

@Hyper_Inflation 8 ай бұрын

I was taking you seriously 😳 until I saw you are left handed.

@SamkoTradBow 8 ай бұрын

😂😂

@davidgodley521 2 жыл бұрын

Is Bass Pro better than Cabellas? LOLOL!

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

was a time cabelas was much better. now the same..lol

@curleex3838 3 ай бұрын

Is like a detailed video about the difference between a recurve and long bow apart from the visual, how they feel and why is one more practical than the other at a given task etc, i own recurves and never even let ONE off a long as yet, might buy one but i need more info! Whats the kill range compared to a recurve of the same draw weight etc..! Keep um comin pal ✌🏻💙✊🏻🇬🇧

@SamkoTradBow 3 ай бұрын

The longbow might be a smidgen slower than a recurve bit kill range for any longbow or recurve should be inside of 20 yards in my opinion for many reasons. But the feel of the grip and the way the string feels as you pull the bow are completely different. It would be worth trying one out. You might fall in love with a longbow.

@ryanslife4478 2 жыл бұрын

I shoot bear revurves but I definitely wanna get a Montana longbow see what those are like

@bowhuntingsoul2149 2 жыл бұрын

Save yourself the headache. I’m a huge Bear fan but the Montana ranks as the worst bow I’ve ever shot. Try a longbow for sure, even an ASL, but skip the Montana.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

Also in that vain skip the SAS Longbow they make too as it needs this scientifically 100 exact same grip placement each time and shape based on your hand size with this 100 precent same grip strength/hand pressure on the bow each time as well making for a very difficult bow to use. I have seen people who are Howard Hill style archers complain on Amazon reviews for that model of bow for this same problem.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

@@bowhuntingsoul2149 I bet despite having a notch grip the bow requires as close as one can get using the notch grip a straight handle grip as with that model the older bows had a straight handle grip. In 2021 they switched the grip when the older/other model sold out and that was when in reviews complaints went up on that model.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

good thing about bear bows and the Montana is you can often find it in a sporting goods store to test out for yourself before you buy it. I know quite a few people that love the Montana. Its worth trying out yourself.

@doncaruso1949 2 жыл бұрын

Was it Starlight archery?

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Nope but I sure do miss that place

@doncaruso1949 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow I bought my first bow from them on Rochester rd, a Browning Kodiak. .

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

@@doncaruso1949 yep was such a great store and great people.

@doncaruso1949 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow yeah,it was.

@caseysmith544 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, there is a single Chinese unknown maker of all fiberglass takedown English style longbow that max weight for the model is 75 or 80 pounds sold on Amazon and E--bay. Just stay away from the epoxy fiberglass versions same as I would for the single piece sold on Amazon and E-bay. This is the only model of mass produced takedown longbow that I can think of and it is sans a shooting shelf of any kind. This takedown English longbow and the one piece English longbow are about the only all fiberglass bows with draw weights over 35 pounds I can think of, even the Asiatic/Middle Eastern bows the static tips are wood on all of these as is the handle wood on most of these bows as well.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

I know nothing about and of those style bows.

@aaronravlich6859 2 жыл бұрын

I love Americans who prefer longbows over AR15s Archery rules

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

hahaha. Love ar's too!

@henryvandervort9891 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any one who makes a long bow right and left handed thanks

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep called a dual shelf bow. Steve and Norther Mist has built a couple and I know other bowyers have as well. But usually its something you have to ask them for. not many advertise doing it.

@henryvandervort9891 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow I thank you for responding

@nakoawarrior3186 2 жыл бұрын

If your like me you shoot what you can afford. I think this guy would like striker bows.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Yep all bows today are great bows. so you nailed it with shoot what you can afford.

@nakoawarrior3186 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow Archey skill is in you not the bow,....I had custom bows and while I was at work they were dry fired or vandalized,.....I believe used limbes in 97 ran $550.00 New were $650.00 After that I bought cheaper bows and keep them in safe's. And make self bows for fun.

@earlofcockwood4757 Жыл бұрын

Yeah man, you shoot whatever the fuck you like. Thats the problem…. I like all of them. Except selfbows because i am too bad to shoot them. But they look awesome❤

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

hahahaha! Love it! And 100% correct.

@shawnwegner3746 2 жыл бұрын

stay on the subject

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@bipolarbear69 Жыл бұрын

You should get a compound so you can say your the "master at archery" with barely doing anything

@SamkoTradBow Жыл бұрын

😂😂🤣

@johnbehr5785 2 жыл бұрын

Beware scammers are using your comments pretending to give out prizes if you pay shipping.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

they have been blocked and banned. they were not using my accout or computer, they just stole my profile picture. But it should be taken care of now.

@pathfinder5804 Жыл бұрын

Ya this sucks!!! I had same scam tried on me after commenting on a “The Hunting Public” video. Mr. Infalt had same issues by some of the comments. I sniffed it out when they were offering me a free VX3 for a THP video. They have their own signature series “Bear” bow why would they give you a Matthews? Hate that this is part of our world now!!!

@davidgodley521 2 жыл бұрын

Did you kill that bear?

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

nope my daughter did with her bow on her 16th birthday. There is a video of it on my channel under the bear hunting play list.

@7echoseven7 2 жыл бұрын

I should like to point out that this is an American Flat Bow and not a traditional Longbow. The traditional Longbow has a flat back with a rounded belly. It has a "D" cross section.

@SamkoTradBow 2 жыл бұрын

steve turay who builds northermist longbows calls the the classic model an ASL. I go by what he tells me.