God bless, Zoomer. It’s amazing and incredibly encouraging to see humility displayed by Christians, especially during “current month.”

Will you go to a gay PCUSA seminary or some other?

I may have watched a video or two, but I am not a regular viewer/follower of yours. I greatly appreciate this response! I hope there can be reconciliation and a moving forward. I hate to see Christians at odds with each other!

Punching "right" is usually an attack towards the woke right. I don't think an apology was needed.

Classy response!

Honestly, building up the conservative churches and seminaries is the way to go. The PCA has nearly 400,000 members and the SBC nearly 14,000,000. Already, Westminster Theological Seminary (founded 1929, PCA), Concordia Theological Seminary (founded 1846, LCMS), Calvin University (founded 1876, CRC) and Baylor University (founded 1845, SBC) are accredited. We already have strong, historical institutions. All we need to do keep watch for liberalism and weed it out as soon as it takes root. That's what I intend to do.

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊❤

You got off easy. Here and again someone will say something like that on his Discord and he just bans them without warning.

There are a lot of us, and each of us has our own part to play. Reinforcing conservative institutions is good, and retaking liberal ones is good.

He fights Baptists as much as Catholics and Orthodox lads do. It’s quite foolish of him to do so.

Zoomer tends to look at Baptists the same way that Lutherans do. This is in large part because he's convinced that Calvin and Knox were closer to Luther than they were to Particular Baptists on matters such as the sacraments. (And there's no denying that the Westminster Confession's sections on the sacraments are very different than the corresponding sections in the 1689 Baptist Confession.)

As a particular Baptist I've noticed he really seems to refuse to separate the different types of Baptist. The Particular Baptist and the Anabaptist came from two completely different streams, but he often talks of Baptist with a wide brush.

@@MAMoreno As a Lutheran, I just have to laught at the fact that he thinks that they are closer to us 😂 Fact of the matter is, the Augsburg Theologians have condemned the Reformed view of the Eucharist even more than the Memorialist view. Whether he likes it or not, Particular Baptist are a child of the Reformed tradition, and they are mich closer to each other.

My beloved baptist brother, a lot of Presbyterian, Lutheran or Anglican protestants don’t stomach Baptists because you are seen as the source of the problem. You, right there with the pietists and the puritans, are the reason the established protestant churches dropped in membership, you are the reason protestantism now has a reputation of shallow theology and unstructured ecclesiastical mess, you are the reason people think of church in a individualist consumerist way. You may agree with us on theological issues, but your practices have undermined the reputation of protestantism at large for centuries and for that there is a lot of frustration built up.

All well said. IMO, RZ should be encouraged, not dismissed.

He doesn't believe the Bible promotes capitalism.

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊❤❤

@@jamiejay7633 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@stormtrooper40 Explain? Two mutual parties who both benefit from a transaction. The competition is about who can provide the best service or product. Sounds biblical to me.

I've interacted with him a bit on KZfaq and Twitter/X and he has a huge ego problem. He can't see outside his own worldview and will tear down anyone who disagrees with him.

@@thejoshuaproject3809 This was my experience as well. Some very rude comments thrown my way for suggesting people should go to conservative seminaries (he thinks they are less prestigious and it is cowardly to attend them).

@@MO-bo2dueasy for someone who has never been to a liberal Satanary to advocate that it’s cowardly to avoid them. Having been to a liberal satanary and leaving it 9 months into my studies I can say mark and avoid them. Most seminaries are sadly satanaries now. We must mark them and avoid them. When you’re the only one in a class of roughly 40 to push back on a feminist professor against back against banning gendered names of God: Father Son and Holy Spirit; and then get told you’re just blinded by your white male privilege and your “opinion doesn’t matter” you’ll sadly learn really quickly that liberal mainline institutions are totally worthless.

@@thejoshuaproject3809 yeah he is very egotistical, like isn't he still a new convert? bro thinks he knows it all

He saw it, and his response cheered me up a bit.

Nice to find a Baptist brother out here. I still enjoy some of his videos, but I’ve long since stopped following him all the way. It’s just extremely hard when every other video starts with him roasting baptists for something we don’t even practice.

I very much agree, it’s sad the reformed presbytarian only critique when they’re to ones being criticized and not when everyone else is, in the low church.

As a baptist I agree wholeheartedly. He seems to really hate us more than anyone else even though we aren’t the main ones attacking him (cough cough Eastern Orthodox). It’s like he wants to be Catholic in every aspect but the Pope.

As a Lutheran, I approve that sentiment.

He seems to rub shoulders a bit too closely with Roman Catholicism while disregarding theologically sound and conservative evangelical churches because they are low-church, Baptist, or both.

He’s immature and has hardly any life experience. It shows.

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23😊❤❤

@MO-bo2du For Zoomer, its not about prestige, its about influence. Its undeniable that mainline protestant institutions have much much much more of an ability to influence Christianity and culture at large than the much newer and much smaller institutions coming from their more conservative counterparts. The mainline institutions have the money, the influence, and the history. That's what he wants to recapture. He knows that if you want to have a long lasting impact on the culture, you need to take hold of the levers of society that influence the culture.

This is why I left my last church. If I didn’t have children I may have stayed but I can’t put my child in the position to learn false teachings. I say I might have stayed bc I live close to Elevation and most churches have followed behind Furtick and other false teachers. It’s next to impossible to find someone who will teach the Bible and shepherd Biblically.

I agree. I’m in a similar position in my Indy baptist church right now, poor leadership and some bad teaching. Not sure I can stay to reform whilst my wife and children have to be put in a bad position

​@@BlackWomansReformation Does this mean that having a family with children makes one more vunerable and less able to fight against childless culture warriors

​@@danielwarton5343 Why are not the people with the bad teaching running from you. How are they always the leadership

Yeah I think it’s entirely situational. I’m pretty convinced that the PCUSA is completely unsalvageable but if the denominations more where the SBC was in the 70’s and 80’s then that’s a different story.

@johndavison6669 The only problem is that if we leave these denominations, we may lose the war in the long run. In order to influence the culture and leave a lasting impact on the world, you need to build things that will last. Like institutions. One of the reasons Christianity is losing influence in the US is that they have either lost or have less influential institutions. The institutions (collages, seminaries, endowments, hospitals, schools) of these old failing mainline churches have a huge impact on the culture, if they can be retaken, we can more effectively fight against the fading influence of Christianity in our culture. This is why Zoomer is trying to retake these denominations.

Ultimately, progressives PURSUE domination of all churches. Already, in the Anglican Church of North America, there were "progressive" parishes that split off and re-joined the Episcopal Church. The question is, how will you prevent your NEXT theological home from being overtaken?

True

Hey…..I just watched a guy read Machen’s “the good fight of faith” in a UMC church on KZfaq yesterday….then noticed he announced his last Sunday two weeks later😂

@lauraandrews1676 You do know there is still a sizable number of conservatives within the PCUSA, UMC, ELCA, and Episcopal churches right? Around 1/4th of the churches in each are faithful. Zoomer only encourages people to go to those ones, never ones that have gone liberal. Just because a denomination is known as "liberal" doesn't mean everyone or every church in it, is one.

@lauraandrews1676 Its not so unnuanced you know, around 20 to 30 percent of congregations within the PCUSA are conservative. Just because its a "liberal" denomination, doesn't mean everyone within it is "liberal". Around 1/4th of churches within the PCUSA, UMC, ELCA, and Episcopal church are conservative, and Zoomer only encourages people to go to those ones.

He’s got some funny thoughts too about evolution.

I lost respect for RZ when he was absolutely destroyed intellectually and biblically by Jay Dyer. Zoomer needs to mature in his faith before broadcasting.

@@danielwarton5343 How so?

Zoomer is likely about as conservative as you. His goal is literally to make these liberal denominations traditional and conservative again.

He mentioned he has encouraged him many times to come learn at the Seminary. 🙏

I did hear that but it seemed as if that comment was concerning just the education portion of Matt’s disagreement with him not on the over arching concerns he has with reformedzoomer platform lately. Which would support Matt’s past video on his strong belief preachers should be trained at a seminary. Thank you

I may have missed, but I didn't hear anything about his reaching out to RZ first, but he should have, no question. Mt. 18.

@@JohnDxianThis was not a private matter between them. This is about RZ’s public social media so it is perfectly appropriate to create a public video about it.

@@thewaka Again, Mt. 18, which addresses dealing with public matters first in a private way. But regardless, I don't object to a public venue, I just felt that it would have been more appropriate for Pastor Matt to invite Redeemed Zoomer on to discuss so he can explain his views. That's all.

BRUH TRUE XD

How.

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊❤❤

ECO is confusing.Not sure what it is.

@@cleavisnowell1240 I would agree with that sentiment. It is basically minority PCUSA that lost out to the progressives and didn't want to go to EPC (next most closest). I am not sure if it is due to the fact that EPC only holds to Westminster, or what. The EPC and ECO (I believe) do have similar position on buildings (one of main sticking points in PCUSA). It looks like ECO has dropped the Scots Confession, so it isn't a Scottish tradition issue. In general, I take it as ECO wants a broader confessional viewpoint and also is firm on egalitarian position whereas EPC allows churches the option of complementarian. In another 20 years, maybe there will be reconsolidating (e.g., ECO and EPC merger).

@@thomashcase The only problem is that if we leave these denominations, we may lose the war in the long run. In order to influence the culture and leave a lasting impact on the world, you need to build things that will last. Like institutions. One of the reasons Christianity is losing influence in the US is that they have either lost or have less influential institutions. The institutions (collages, seminaries, endowments, hospitals, schools) of these old failing mainline churches have a huge impact on the culture, if they can be retaken, we can more effectively fight against the fading influence of Christianity in our culture. This is why Zoomer is trying to retake these denominations.

He does not advocate that Christianz should go to liberal churches. He mapped the conservative ones within PCUSA and advocate Christians to participate in them to strenght them If possible.

At no point is Zoomer saying to any of these young men to go into churches with pride flags, but into the conservative holdouts within these denominations. Its not so unnuanced you know, around 20 to 30 percent of congregations within the PCUSA are conservative. Just because its a "liberal" denomination, doesn't mean everyone within it is "liberal".

@@pedroguimaraes6094 I agree with this in principle, but his church finder leads to congregations with female pastors. Far from biblical conservatism.

Have you seen a more effective plan against the left?

There is no such thing as being reformed and being conservative. The reformation is radical leftism by definition. The pope rejected traditional values and left the church. Then the reformers rejected the Pope's traditional values and left Rome. Then the atheists rejected the reformers' traditional values and left Christianity. Every one of you is just a different spot on the downward slide from traditional conservative values into atheist secular relativism. You're ALL on the left, it's just a matter of how far.

I think for Zoomer, he sees the liberals/modernists lose battles but continue to fight fiercely to win, and because they never give up they continue to stack up win after win. For him its frustrating to see conservatives ever having to give up or split off, when it doesn't seem like the opposition often has to.

You know RZ wants people to be part of churches that have remained conservative in the mainline denomination and strengthen them and he has really mapped them out. He does not advocate that you should go to a liberal church. However i got your point.

@@pedroguimaraes6094I recognize that too. My issue is not with him calling for Christians in good mainline churches to stay, it is with him calling those who left for good reason like Machen retreatists or cowards

J. Gretchen Machen didn't leave PCUS voluntarily, he was kicked out for not supporting liberal mission board. He appealed without success. Gretchen was targeted form removal by liberals and General Assembly for not supporting Prohibition. From then on, they went after him for everything because Machen said "Presbyterians should be fundamental in theologically, not politically". Zoomer knows this and still criticizes him.

It's always unnerved me how easy it is for protestants to come and go to this or that denomination

I can’t speak for everyone, but just spit bowling. A potential reason, couldn’t it be because many of the more faithful denominations and churches are united on the essentials, so minor differences don’t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things?

Bit of an uncharitable reading of the situation I feel like. I think Everhard definitely misrepresents why Zoomer has an appreciation for church buildings. Its not because he likes them purely on an aesthetic level. Zoomers reasoning is that Christians used to focus on and appreciate beauty, and now do not. That protestants put their livelihoods into creating these buildings and institutions for hundreds of years, only for them to be abandoned, defaced by evil, or used to influence the culture in negative ways. His love of buildings is a proxy for his love of classical Protestantism and the institutions they built. He wants to retake these institutions so they can no longer be defaced, and so Christians can have more of an influence on the culture like they used to. That without these "buildings", without these institutions, it will be very hard to accomplish these goals.

Good

@@MrBattlestar10 I get your point, but maybe that means that going forward we should focus less on our buildings and institutions, and more on our characters and the impact of our congregation overall? I like pretty buildings too and I get it's sad to see them fall into the hands of evil when we spent so much time and money building them, but maybe that's an indicator that we should spend our resources on things evil CAN'T take away, i.e. nonmaterial things like relationship-building. Obviously some building is necessary for church and ideally it has an element of sacredness to it, but the over-attachment to buildings that RZ has honestly reeks of worldliness and misordered priorities.

@@SilentEcho4178 Again its not about the church buildings themselves per se. The issue is that things like hospitals, schools, collages, and media companies all serve to influence the culture much more substantially. Without these things we can't hope to influence the culture nearly as much. The old mainline denominations have these things and much more substantial resources than most of their evangelical counterparts. It doesn't have to be one thing at the expense of another. We can care about beauty AND cultivate relationships AND build long lasting institutions that will be around once we die. Protestants used to do this...why not now?

@@SilentEcho4178 If churches would do better at gate keeping, they could keep the buildings and kick out heretics rather than let them metastasize to the point where you have to secede or be kicked out.

I mentioned him as a possible successor. His rather humble response to this video sees me continue to think this could be the case.

@@WilliamSwartzendruber I’m glad to see his response but his insistence on the PCUSA being the best denomination is a fatal flaw. He may change his mind in the future but for now that leaves him out. There are lots of people that could have made the list if we ignored major flaws in their thinking. 🤔

@@austinrothjr He doesn't think its the "best" in the way your probably assuming. He obvious abhors the rampant heresy and liberal thinking within the PCUSA. That's why he wants to retake it after all. He considers it the best because it (in theory, especially if its retaken) best holds onto classical protestant, and specifically (in theory, especially if its retaken) classical Calvinist beliefs. He also considers it the best because it has the most well formed and influential institutions of any Calvinist denomination by a mile. Institutions now being used by the enemy to spread bad ideas and influence the culture negatively. He wants to influence the culture as much as possible to be as christian as possible, and with the institutions of the PCUSA in the hands of conservatives again, that will happen much more easily compared to the much smaller and much less influential reformed denominations.

@@MrBattlestar10 Yeah…I get all that. He’s just very wrong. They’re as Calvinist as the shuddering demons.

@@austinrothjr I literally started my statement saying he abhors the modernism and liberalism in the PCUSA, I would ask you to be a little more charitable here. When I mentioned that it best holds to classical Calvinist beliefs I made sure to specify, "if the denomination is retaken". Obviously in its current state, many in the denomination are as Calvinist as a rock. He says this all the time as well. However, IF he were able to retake the denomination. And get people to follow the PCUSA's confessions, they would be the most historically rooted and most influential denomination in the hands of Calvinists, this is undeniable. This is his goal.

Watched a little of an online service of pcusa people in short sleeve tees looking more charismatic than Presbyterian and will skip by them from now on.

The reconquista video I saw with zoomer and a I think methodministries said reconquista is for childless young men who are strong in their faith. That may have been in reference to the openly affirming congregations.

Neither does RZ recommend bringing your kids to a liberal denomination.

@chrisfrenette1978 At no point is Zoomer saying to anybody to go into churches with pride flags, but into the conservative holdouts within these denominations. Its not so unnuanced you know, around 20 to 30 percent of congregations within the PCUSA are conservative. Just because its a "liberal" denomination, doesn't mean everyone within it is "liberal".

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊

@davidleonard6593 I think for Zoomer, he sees the liberals/modernists lose battles but continue to fight fiercely to win, and because they never give up they continue to stack up win after win. For him its frustrating to see conservatives ever having to give up or split off, when it doesn't seem like the opposition often has to. He wants people to stay and fight as hard as the liberals do. Around 20-30 percent of PCUSA churches are conservative as well, and he only encourages people stay or go to those.

Which friend?

Neo-orthodoxy is just paleo-heterodoxy. It's no wonder it's fruit has been rotten everywhere it took hold

What's the Auburn declaration?

Conservative in the PCUSA have problems regarding bein Neo-Orthodox. Meanwhile in PCA pastors don't hold to Westminster standards about the Sacraments.

@@pedroguimaraes6094 have you been to a PCA church? They very much do. It's better than the PCUSA that has the auburn declaration.

Obviously ignoring the elephants in the room to chase after mice.

@@OllieOverTheMoon Zoomer doesn't ignore the elephants in the room. But as a calvinist he's going to focus just a little bit more on them compared to others.

If you believe that baptism confers forgiveness of sins you would be in the minority even among 1689'ers, at least the popular ones. James White is constantly attacking the doctrine of baptismal grace, implying that it is even akin to the Corinthian heresy due to baptism being a "work." Even Gavin Ortlund, in his dialogues with Jordan Cooper, made it clear that he does not believe baptism literally confers the forgiveness of sins. Now, these figures may not be proper representatives of the Particular Baptist confessions; that's not my point. My point is that Zoomer is warranted in his generalizing when all of the most prominent voices are all consistent with it.

Nice Channel name "SaintAndersonOfArizona" Also Protestant Conservatiwe Orthodox Polish Baptist here; Reedemed Zoomer, is a liberal who i don't aprove, who is suporting liberalism to take over churches by claiming that woman pastorship is in any shape or for to be accepted. And all his talk about buldings, is innmature nonsense.

@@BenjaminAnderson21 Hey, thanks for the response! A couple of points I would make (sorry, this post is long): 1.) I think there is an inconsistency when people talk on this subject, mainly regarding your last two sentences. If we are going to judge a specific tradition by the views of its laity, or the views of popular modern apologists/teachers claiming to defend said tradition, then we must also hold this standard throughout. If we use the laity as the standard, then each group will be misrepresented, as they tend not to know or hold to the same beliefs that originally founded their professed tradition. A few examples of this are: the majority of Roman Catholics not believing in transubstantiation, Presbyterians in denominations like the PCA holding to a lower view of the sacraments (specifically baptism, which Zoomer rightfully points out), many Reformed being completely confused on Reformed, and honestly just pre-modern as a whole, political thought, many in Western traditions not believing in predestination, and Baptist laymen having very low sacramentology, having an incorrect view of Sola Scriptura, as well as disagreeing with Inseparable Operations while agreeing with EFS/ERAS. Obviously we want the layperson to agree with the confessional documents of their tradition, but unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case in our modern era. (A discussion on proper catechesis not being done enough could be placed here.) I would say that using popular modern apologists/teachers is also unsatisfactory, as they too seem to err on what their tradition and confessional standards say. James White disagrees with 1689 Federalism, Inseparable Operations, has a lower sacramentology, and differs on Divine Simplicity. Trent Horn called double predestination "monstrous" and said "the Church rejects that" despite it being an allowed position in Rome. (I think Wagner does a good job showing that it's the main view.) Prominent voices and pastors in the PCA still have a lower sacramentology, many Reformed teachers misunderstand Reformed political thought, Bruce Ware and Wayne Grudem support EFS, and Ortlund would have a variety of disagreements with the confessional Particular Baptists (although he is better and more careful than James White). (Again, discussions surrounding improper catechesis, what seminaries have taught in modern times, and how that has affected everything could be placed here.) Thus, we are left with what I believe to be the most satisfactory option: use confessional documents and writings from Reformation and Post-Reformation figures to represent each tradition. I believe this solves the misrepresentation problem that arises from using the other two methods. Additionally, this shows Zoomer's inconsistency as he would utilize this standard when discussing his tradition, but then switch to the other two when discussing a group like the Particular Baptists (even worse, he'll use figures like John MacArthur to represent us, despite him not holding to the 1689 or Covenant Theology). He has constantly mentioned how the Reformed Confessions are the standard for discussing and defining Presbyterian beliefs, and not what leaders in the PCUSA say. Hopefully this shows why I believe that RZ isn't warranted in his statements about "Baptist" beliefs. 2.) I would say the confessional Particular Baptists would fully affirm the Nicene Creed, including when it states, "one baptism for the remission of sins." People tend to misunderstand confessional Baptist views on the sacraments and think they are much lower than they really are. They truly believed that Baptism and the Lord's Supper were means of grace and means of salvation (you see this in The Baptist Catechism by Benjamin Keach, as well as throughout their writings). They were in agreement with the Reformed tradition in their views on the Lord's Supper. There is also misunderstanding on their use of "ordinance." To quote James Renihan in his exposition of the 1689 LBCF, "There is a fundamental mistake many make when noting that the word ordinance is employed in 2LCF 28-30 rather than the common post-Reformation term "sacrament." They assume that this choice entailed a rejection of "sacrament" and a preference for ordinance, thus establishing a "Zwinglian" trajectory in subsequent Baptist circles. This is a false deduction. The term "sacrament" and its cognates (e.g., "sacramental") regularly appear in Particular Baptist literature, without any indication that the word was controversial or inappropriate for a description of their confessional theology." He then discusses their very specific reasons for using "ordinance" in the confession. Some better modern voices for confessional Baptist beliefs would be James Renihan, Samuel Renihan, Richard Barcellos, Brandon Adams, Pascal Denault, Sam Waldron, and those at International Reformed Baptist Seminary. I would especially recommend James Renihan's 2 volume Baptist Symbolics set discussing the 1st and 2nd London Baptist Confessions. There's honestly a lot more I could add, but I'll end with that. I am curious though, which tradition are you a part of (if you don't mind me asking)?

I like RZ, but he obviously doesn’t understand what a Baptist is in my opinion. I’m a reformed Baptist minister. The way he constantly conflates nondenominational churches with Baptist churches is completely off base. If anything, nondenominational churches are basically Pentecostal as far as I can tell, not Baptist churches

@@BeniaminZaboj Thanks on the channel name, I thought it was funny with the Anderson icon😆. Happy to see a fellow conservative Baptist! Do you also hold to the 1689? How are things for Baptists and the Church overall in Poland? I'm from the US and it's sad to see liberalism get worse here with each passing generation (although there are small groups of young men standing against such depravity). Also, I feel like I've seen you in the chat of The Other Paul's live streams before. Yeah, I disagree with RZ's stance on women pastors as I would say that it's ontologically impossible for a woman to be one, and that churches that have them aren't being administered the sacraments (obviously Scripture is abundantly clear that only men can be pastors). With regards to the buildings, I can somewhat understand why someone would be upset, feeling as though a historic church which championed Biblical orthodoxy for generations has now been stolen by demonic liberals. I do disagree with how Zoomer sometimes approaches the subject and constantly attacks those in the PCA/OPC or other conservative denominations (as Matthew Everhard discussed in the video). Zoomer has a wrong gauge for what conservative is, as he will call groups like the SBC and LCMS "staunchly conservative" even if they've compromised on stuff like CRT, DEI, and the whole side-B "gay Christianity" garbage (Jon Harris from Conversations That Matter does a good job covering Baptist groups in the US).

how has have LCMS churches "left"? from my understanding they are theologically conservative and hold to the Book of Concord.

​@@LukeBowman08 Harrison has began a big push to liberalise LCMS last year Check out Ryan Turnipsees

Hi Erik - good to see you commenting here. That's all... just hello 👋🏻 Great verse you quoted there too.

@@LukeBowman08 yeah... he seems confused. Or maybe he is WELS? I could see someone from those parts thinking of the LCMS as liberal.

@@oswaldrabbit1409 lol yeah maybe but he said in an interview or some older vid he's non-denom

Machen was kicked out of Princeton, but he left the PCUSA of his own volition.

@@keelanenns4548 Exactly the opposite. He left Princeton voluntarily, and several years later was defrocked.

That's why he wants to retake these denominations. Female pastors are not ideal in his view. If the church is otherwise conservative on most other things, is why he puts churches like those on the list.

@@MrBattlestar10 His site says that they don't have a hard stance on women being in office or not, effectively allowing them to be in a pastoral position. His church finder led me to two prospective churches with women in leadership. I immediately lost trust in his judgment.

@@Isaac-wl6wu Where on his site does it say that? Also he literally made a video saying that he doesn't think women should be pastors. As I said in the message you replied to. If the church has a female pastor, but is otherwise conservative and traditional in literally every other way, its better to join that one than to not join one at all. That's Zoomers perspective.

25:00 you forgot that he also supports materialistic evolution being somehow how God created and is thus compatible with Genesis among other passages of scripture This is a massive No-No and clearly is not going to go anywhere with reconquista if they can't even stand on basic truths that God is creator

No, it had to be public because he's warning all of us too

@@guilleagudelo777 And Zoomer wasn't warning people about how breaking off from the libs to form new institutions is a losing strategy?

Richard has been confronted privately about all these things before- he doesn’t change his tune until it escalates to public rebuke. Too, he’s got an audience that needs to be warned against certain beliefs and attitudes.

"Are you the one to build a house for Me to dwell in? I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as My dwelling. Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, 'Why have you not built Me a house of cedar'?" -God Almighty God doesn't want ornate buildings. Our faith matters infinitely more to Him than the appearance of our churches.

I agree 100% our faith is more important than the building. But I would say that’s part of bringing the kingdom to earth. Does God dwell in the strip mall Protestant church? If they are faithful then of course. But we are called to change the earth here and now. Ornate church buildings are part of that. Blessings

@@dugga4617 Show me one part of the Bible where God says "Thou shall construct for Me the most opulent and extravagant dwelling places possible".

I don’t think you’re understanding what i mean. But since you seem to hold to sola scriptura, you can look over exodus 36. Where Yahweh gives an artistic spirit of wisdom to construct the tabernacle in ornate fashion. And that’s just one chapter expressing God’s love for beautiful things

@@dugga4617 the Tabernacle was ultimately a giant tent. It wasn't anywhere close to being as grand as any of the palaces of the ancient world. David himself pointed this out, to which God responded by asking him when He had ever commanded Israel to build him such a magnificent house? Again, God does not care about how fancy His places of worship are. In fact, He has had plenty to say towards people who outfitted themselves with the luxuries of their day and claimed to serve Him while in truth being far from Him.

Give me some examples. Actually what i see is that he has good relationship with big youtubers across all denominations.

@@pedroguimaraes6094Pentecostals and none denominationals there’s certain things he doesn’t seem to understand about the complexity of the lower church

He did a pretty fair job.

@@Emmanuel-3.16 Ah.... i fully agree with him that these forms of Christianity are highly problematic. I'm currently reading the Westminster Confession Commentary by the great OPC pastor "G. Williamson" and he also makes important critics. Usually Reformed Christianity and Pentecostals don't get along and some of them are actually calling "Calvinism" a heresy because of their arminianism.

@@Emmanuel-3.16 Pentecostals and non Denomination are not Christian, RZ is actually Correct there, please read the Canons of Dort 1619, the Westminster Confession 1646 and the Westminster Larger Catechism 1647 which are all gravely clear that Arminians are not Christians and are classed alongside the Papists. So he is correct on that one. Note. "Low Church Anglican" which RZ correctly Described as "just Calvinists but with Bishops", so he does get it right sometimes!

@@SilentEcho4178he criticizes how they retreat and effectively allow liberals to take over. Which in turn makes them have less impact on culture because they arent grounded in history

@@SilentEcho4178 i mean i dont really got a say in this since I am a soon to be convert to catholicism, but doesn’t a city get influenced by whatever institutions are in its downtown. For example toronto, a city bleeding churches on every block. But all the churches downtown are basically United Churches which are super liberal, woke presbyterian or anglican churches that are also liberal. All the sound churches are in the suburbs while all the beautiful buildings that people (tourists or non christians) will go to out of awe are flying pride flags despite having gothic aesthetics. So the more you take those over, the more influence it will have. So unless you were going to Catholic or orthodox church in Toronto, you will not find any conservative traditional churches in the downtown area that attract non believers with it’s sacred design.

What do you mean "take back"? Like using Calvin's liturgy, reviving Psalm singing, encouraging local evangelism, and adult catechesis?

Why do they listen to him instead of you older lot

@@goyonman9655 Did you listen to your elders as a young man?

Conservative PCUSA members who had 100 years to "educate" liberal Christians did NOTHING. Not only nothing, their children became liberal Christians. Denominations where conservatives retook the leadership did it when the cancer didn't spread so wide (see SBC). PCUSA's liberal cancer spread everywhere for 120+ years. You can only save people at the early stage of cancer...not at the final stage. The church works in the same way....unless God directly intervenes.

My hometown PCA lost the historic building to PCUS because there was an oil trust attached it which liberals wanted to retain above all else.A quick move to a smaller more modest building when the court battle was lost.

Your own personal conscience guided always as best you can in the moment through the Indwelling HOLY SPIRIT.

There is nothing wrong with your crucifix. It's possible because Jesus Christ came in the flesh. The basic Calvinist argument is that they do not have depictions of Jesus to protect the doctrine of his divinity. Well, what about the doctrine of the Incarnation? Your crucifix is "protecting" that and reminding you that Jesus suffered and died for your sins. As to your question about the Ten Commandments as a whole, the answer is a bit too complex for a KZfaq comment. But they remain an important guide for the Christian life, but they are not enough in themselves.

RZ has good videos on church history but yeah he does appear arrogant. I wouldn’t be surprised that by the time he’s 30 his own opinions on the PCUSA would change.

Until quite recently, he had a couple of people like Machen there. But they left because their commitment to the commands of God turned out not to be wanted in the movement (or very appealing to him.)

Twitter too

He tells David in I Chronicles that he never asked for a temple.

But He does give detailed instructions for the tabernacle and does tell David that because David is a man of blood (as a warrior), David's son, a man of peace, would build GOD'S house. Psalm 132

​@@WilliamSwartzendruberand he still says that Solomon will build it

We're not in the Old Covenant. We don't worship at a temple but in spirit and truth

@@Niko-zg6uq Indeed.

Why would that break the second commandment?

Christians have zero prohibition on religious images. Christians use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Christians also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus, when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). Early in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural object (e.g., a bull or the sun). But later God did reveal himself under visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: “As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire.” Protestants make depictions of the Father under this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies. The Holy Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms-that of a dove, at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4). Protestants use these images when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars. But more important, in the incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. St. Paul said, “He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Christ is the tangible, divine “icon” of the unseen, infinite God. We read that when the magi were “going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and myrrh” (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem. Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God. That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues and pictures are made of them.

Its not

@@triggered8556 No

@@richlopez5896 what do you mean no?

You can get a full MTS online, with the exception of 2 week-long intensive courses.

Did you actually watch the whole video?

@@JenniferoftheSea Yes. What are you thinking I missed?

Let me be clear. I am a huge, long-time fan of Pastor Matt. I have learned much from his excellent ministry and hopefully will continue to do so. My only beef in this ONE case was that I also learn a lot from Redeemed Zoomer and I felt Pastor Matt was dismissing him just because for his reasons RZ favors the PCUSA over the PCA,. I agree with Pastor Matt that the PCUSA is a lost cause, but hey, if RZ can be a gospel witness, let him. But all that is just my take. This channel belongs to Pastor Matt and he works very hard at it (along with a million other responsibilities), so he should state his views, as he always does.

Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊❤❤

​@@JohnDxianeye on it when I heard which denomination it was fun my my ears perked up to however I listened to him and I hear somebody who is grasping with the truth of the scripture and if he can't be an agent to restore that denomination he may be an agent who moves to another is doing work for god. We have to remember that young people do not know all the struggles of the PCA in the 60s and 70s or wherever. I remember my parents telling these stories but I didn't live them personally well I don't feel the same reversion that some people may have to the PC USA I do understand why I find them to be a questionable church and I would choose not to sit under them for that reason. However I think there is potential in in this other fellow simply because of the way he is learning and articulating he has the opportunity to grow and yes receive correction on things he doesn't understand as he grows play that many people who have been in the ministry for a decade or more are so fixing their ways that they can no longer hear anything fresh from the word. And for this reason I'm interested in hearing what he may have to say but there are certain things I'm never going to accept if he says them I feel like this is jumping too fast to cancel him specifically

Because he rather cry about it in a YT video like a man child.

Good thing there still are right-believing churches.

The things he's said about Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox in his private communities are truly appalling.

@@SonsOfTitansoh wow I didn’t even know about that. That’s really unfortunate.

@@SonsOfTitans And the Baptists and Non-Denoms

@@the_hortator It’s really unfortunate, and has accomplished little more than to push people away - people, for whom, he’s offered nothing but scorn and derision.