Technically the eternals betrayed ikaris, who did exactly what he was supposed to do. The others caught feels and went against their creator.

He didn't betray them, They betrayed the true purpose of their whole nature this was a complete Grey topic . They were truly "betrayed" by Ajax who purposely kept them in the dark from the start about their true purpose .

I can well understand, and sympathise with, why Ikaris betrayed the Eternals and tried to make sure that the Emergence happened. For thousands of years Ajax told him that's what his purpose was, it was as said in the video why he couldn't stay with Sersi even though he loved her as he would have eventually told her the truth and that would have broken her heart so he spared her the pain - and sacrificed his own happiness - of it by leaving her. From his perspective he sacrificed everything to fulfil his purpose as Ajax wanted - only for at the end Ajax to change her mind and suddenly want to stop it all. Thus its understandable why he did what he did. Hopefully he'll be back in the future or if he did die Arisham recreates him and he can have a redemption arc.

Yes , bring Ikaris back in Eternals 2 or other future mcu movies.

i love sersi and ikairs chemistry, they literally promoting sersi and ikairs are the immortal soulmates. i hope they end up together at some point in the future

I am on Ikaris side. Besides the rest didn't want to stop the emergence for humanity alone, they have their own selfish reasons too. They stopped the great cycle of life in the universe because they caught feelings.

Part of me knew he was the villain, and the other half wanted me to deny it.

Technically he didn’t betray the eternals. The eternals betrayed him and their true purpose.

Your duty vs love argument opened my eyes. I only watched Eternals once so I'm still a little confused if I'm satisfied or not, but i hope the phase 4 and 5 will make the Eternals and this movie even better.

I basically loved everything about Eternals but I definitely would’ve loved to see more of Richard madden as Ikaris. I heard that Salma Hayek (Ajak) and Don Lee (Gilgamesh) did get multiple movie contracts which makes me incredibly happy! But I hope Ikaris (and maybe even sprite too) will return eventually.

Tbh I think what Ikaris did in this whole movie was right. If I was told for 2000 years that my purpose was to help my creator to end the world and I couldn’t tell that to the girl I loved more than myself and that's why I had to leave her only to find out that my leader changed her mind suddenly and tell me to stop helping my creators purpose. I would have killed my leader at that moment bcz of him/her I gave up everything only to find out that I have to do another thing would have pissed me off really bad. And at the end I couldn’t have kill my love bcz She is my humanity. She is everything. That's why I think the movie was deep and beautiful. I just hope ikaris comes back we really need him against kang or celestial. The Avengers will need him.

Ikarus was one of the few highlights of this movie. It's kind of annoying that all the most interesting characters are dead by the end of it.

If Ikaris doesn't come back... then I don't want it. I loved Ikaris and I LOVE the idea of a redeption, Ikaris reborn. He needs to come back.

He is not a villain. He was doing his job. The others were attached to the world.

ikaris just a man who really committed with his job

I think "VILLIAN" is an oversimplification

*SPOILER* I was really bummed when they made Ikarais the villain. It was a fine twist but I wanted to see Madden grow in the MCU. They could have waited for another movie or two to kill him off.

I think I clicked the most with Ikaris, honestly. Just that weight of him being the only one to know what their true purpose is, and being afraid of such a big change, and if they were to disobey the Celestials, I'm sure he worried a lot about the repercussions of their actions. He was definitely misunderstood, (and I don't mean misunderstood like how Falcon kept saying that Karli girl in TFATWS was "misunderstood" her and her terrorist group killed plenty of innocent people, not the same thing here lol) I'm sure the weight of all these thoughts were mentally draining and stressful on him.

i was literally rooting for ikaris in the final fight, cuz earth (and all the other planets if they convince the other eternals to do the same) will eventually die out and with no new celestials, no new planets. no new planets, no universe.

He’s too good of a character. He must come back

He was right, sad to see that the guy who was right being portrayed as the villain

Ajax was truly the one that betrayed them all but not telling them the truth from the start they all have flaws

Yes yes yessss! Bring him back and give him more screen time!!!! He’s a great actor! Also great job predicting this haha 😆!

I very much like to see ikaris again

Anyone who has flying. laser eyes. and super strength is officially becoming a villain at one moment.

I'm perfectly fine with what happened as long as he comes back. Otherwise, they wasted a good character.

for everyone saying ikaris was wrong, technically, what eternals did was to prevent other worlds from existing.

Imagine Bucky shooting down the bad guys and then gets overrun by them. Ikaris shoots laserbeam from his eyes and offers his hands to Bucky. Spider-Man comes in between the scene and calls Ikaris “Bucky” and Ikaris gives him a dirty look.

Ikaris will be back and he definitely will be redeemed

Great idea. Never thought of it before but since Ikaris's memories are kept in The Forge they could build another. And then he becomes a complication in Sersei's new relationship with Black Knight? Or not. Lots of potential any way. Thanks for the video.

Ikaris is the best eternal, the rest of them were just cry babies dressed up screwing everything up. But he actually embodied an eternal. Staying on his mission and not being distracted. Really hope they bring him back in other mcu projects

I didn't want Ajak to die, such a heartbreaking moment😭😭😭

Ajak is more of a villain, as she has let this happen on Millions of other worlds in the past and never thought to stop it, but at almost the last minute she decided to change her mind, even after nearly 7000 years of being willing to kill all of humanity. Given time Ikaris could have changed too, but there wasn't enough time. The movie should have been a movie series to flesh out the characters, their ideals and morals, and that's the real villain of the movie.

ajak took everything away from him by saying the truth only to him and asking him to keep that as a secret from his family and his wife.

I feel like stopping the emergence is the wrong thing..Earth will die one day one way or another and the emergence supposed to bring celestial to create a lot more planets like earth, but eternals let their feelings get in the way. Perhaps there’s more to it as idk anything about eternals from the comics.

Hero’s that become villains are always more bad ass

Luckily Ikaris is still covered by his Manufacturer's Warranty since it exceeds 7,000 years. All they need to do is contact Prime Celestial Arishem the Judge for a replacement or possibly just repair the heat damage. :) Haha anyways, it's late that's my excuse for a bad joke, I'd liked to add that I really enjoyed this video, it makes the movie better too. Keep it up!

Very kewl story line can't wait to watch this now love it

Ikaris deserves a redemption arc. Families have problems, and when one’s faith and purpose are removed, people act in different ways. People, Androids, maybe Wizards too.

Ikaris was that type of "I betrayed, killed and learned my mistake" type of villain. Thena had some "messed up mind" issues but she wasn't evil. Ikaris was blinded by his duty and he because a villain only for some time to end up as someone who realize his mistakes and instead of keep killing for the purpose, he decided to kill himself so that he wouldn't kill the others. Idk if a sun extreme heat can wipe an eternal from existence but Ikaris deserve a return to fix his mistakes (or at least somehow be redeemed). However, the red Celestial would know which Eternal have died so he would recreate Ikaris to continue his mission (the forge).

He didn’t kill himself for what he had done, he did it because he betrayed Arishem. That’s better for me.

I have to say, I do find it kinda funny how some people have said that Marvel could probably do Superman better than what WB has recently done with him, yet when Marvel does have their own Superman counterpart- they end up making him kind of the bad guy. Lol.

That's the ebst justification for having Ikaris as the villian I've heard. Thank you. As for evil Supermen, I'm done with the concept. Injustice played it out. Great video and once again, thank you.

Great content. Too many flash cuts though. Hurts my brain

I would like to have Ikaris back

Ikaris betrayed the Eternals because he knows that they are not put on Earth to save humanity...but to keep Earth safe for the emergence of the Celestial Tiamut

Bring me Ikaris... (Good one this time) !!!

I wish ajack did not die cause she is the first mcu character with the ability to heal.

"love is the death of duty, and duty is the death of love"

I was walking up into that movie theater saying ima like ikaris but he’s still cool ending was good

Eternals was okay, but I really didn't want Ikaris to die at the end. I've always liked him, particularly in the comics. It would've been great to see him join the new Avengers, allowing him to make up for his past deeds and undergo character growth.

screw this, he didnt betray shit, ajak started it, he stood by his duty

I believe Ikarus was well played, and I hope they bring him BACK!!

Yes bring him back he was my favorite

Ikaris is the best character and now they killed the future. Smh

MCU needs to bring Ikaris back he is a great character for them moving forward

He could be a shift changer in captain Marvel. I don't know anything about all these characters comics, that's what I think

Ikaris was definitely right. The survival of Earth is not worth it. The Celestials are too important to the universe, you can’t just kill one to save one little planet and potentially stop the development of several other planets

Yes your right on with your analysis of Ikaris. I hope we haven’t seen the end of him. Is Arishem’s design such a bad thing? Creating billions of lives! Whar makes Earth so special to sacrifice the greater good?

I don't really have much faith in humanity so if this was a real world scenario, I wouldn't care much because at least my death would cause billions of trillions more to live.

i would love to see ikaris back

It was actually pretty expected, there’s like 7 evil Supermen. They extremely popular rn

Humans wouldn't exist if Ajak decided to stop the emergence for the other planets.

ok listen to me For thousands of years Ajax told ikaris what his purpose was, he couldn't stay with Sersi even though he loved her as he would have eventually told her the truth and that would have broken her heart so he spared her the pain, he sacrificed his own happiness by doing what he was told.For eons he was alone and sad with the hope in the next planet he could be with sersi and his family but SEVEN DAYS BEFORE the emergence Ajax tells him they have to the stop it. Everything he did was right, Earth would die one day one way or another and the emergence supposed to bring celestial to create a lot more planets like earth, but eternals let their feelings get in the way. He did what he was supposed to, the OTHER ETERNALS let THEIR FEELINGS come in the way and went against their purpose and creator (Also i think he was scared to find out what would happen to the eternals if they betrayed arishem)

I secretly keep hoping even though it may not happen Ajak and/or Gilgamesh will come back

Eternals are very interesting characters. They have a big role for Marvels next Avengers movie. Ikaris is dead so Thena is now the strongest eternal.

For the record, Arishem is a liar. The original betrayal is his lies. That’s why Tiamut hates him. Which is likely why Arishem allowed the Celestials to kill him off.

I don't care... I won't let them let a giant golem kill me before I get a boyfriend..

He's not a villan, I wouldn't even consider him the antagonist, that would go to the rest of the Eternals (and then Ikaris as well at the end). Ikaris has a very important mission to carry out from the "Celestial" Arishem to help expand the universe. This is a natural process that helps manifest new/more resources and life forms. Who are the Eternals to get in the way of this process? They are, who I consider, to be the villains in this situation.

Eternals was the Trolley problem on a cosmic level - save one that you love by sacrificing a dozen strangers? Planets or individuals, the dilemma is the same. And I, for one, never found a satisfying answer for the problem. I hope and expect to see Ikaris and all ten Eternals (even Ajak and Gilgamesh) in Eternals 2. Which I really, really, hope to see, despite the backlash the movie got.

Bring him back to her. Love withstands everything 💕

He is not a traitor.hes just doing his job. and other eternals just fell inloved with earth and its people . if not so they were al in this together letting humanity gone instinct. Ikaris is actually the most loyal to the celestials ..

It seams like Marvel is going with the idea of the short term villain will actually turn out to be the long term hero. Look at Thanos. When Infinity war and end game came out it was like Yep he is definitely the big bad guy. But now with so much speculation of possible a multiverse war, the celestial egg in earth, and the Ikaris incident. It seams like that soon Marvel will make it so that Thena and her group will turn out to be the villains for not letting the order of the universe keep turning.

He should come back to show how rise from despair

In 0 A.D. before Ikaris broke-up with Sersi, Ikaris could have said to Phastos, "hypothically, can you build machines to shrink/unshrink and safely move a Celestial through a planet?" and then Ikaris can bet Phastos to build the machines. If before asking the question, Ikaris swears Phastos to secrecy about the question and the machines: can Ikaris trust Phastos to keep what they are doing for 2,000+ years a secret from Ajax and the other Eternals?

It's because of love, one can go against everything to protect it. And because of love there is war.

I like the movie. Already watched it 2ice.

When I first saw arshim I legit thought he was gonna squish Ajak in his hand 0_0

I really don’t think Ikaris betrayed the other Eternals on purpose, because his eyes were glitching just like Thena’s when she wasn’t her true self. So I think 💭 that’s a possibility as well…

What confused me is the fact that during the emergence, nobody on avengers bats an eye lol like did y'all not detect this big ass earthquake coming out of nowhere 😂

I can relate to Icarus. People around me always forget why they were there. I remember everything and ended up being the asshole

You can't really fully blame him or agree with him. Because (Please read the full comment before replying) They exist for Arishem and the Celestials. They're duty and the entire reason for their existence, powers, and immortality was to serve. Ikaris knew his purpose like the others. He was also very loyal and true to his master. He lived for his responsibilty. From his perspective -there is no greater reason than to live for the greater scheme and fulfill his duty. The Celestials made life possible. It is they who shaped the history of living beings and they naturally have power to do so. You can't really rebel against your creator and live for your personal joy. Making a Celestial emerge for it to make a new star for a new galaxy to be created and continue the expansion of life compared to your feelings is a very huge thing. Every Eternal but him chose to live and protect the world they got attached to for so many years. I don't blame them. They're not wrong to do that. But to ikaris it was going against the sole purpose of your existence and betraying your creators for a grand scheme to create new lives. (but I'm not gonna defend him. Because sacrificing others lives for your duty is NOT a good thing.) (To summarize. They betrayed each other.) I'm just scared what Arishem's judgement will be. We are a bit far from salvation.

Ikaris stayed true to his purpose which was to ensure the birth of a celestial. The others are the ones who changed

Ikaris could fly in space this entire time. He never used this ability to kill any of the eternals with. lol

Ikaris is the best character and now they killed the future.

I bet he'll be back, with a new body remade in the World Forge and his memory reset.

Ikaris flying into the sun doesn't prove hes dead tbh, for instance superman can fly into the sun to repower, perhaps ikaris put himself into exile in the sun instead of "killing" himself

It's trend nowadays first show someone as Superman then make him homelander.

Wait until they make a film based on Irredeemable, the Plutonian is much worse then Omni-Man and Homelander. But yes, having Ikaris return would be awesome.

I have to correct you there is already a story of evil superman its the video game and comics called in Injustice and superman killed a lot people including his super hero friends

Bring him, ajak, and Gilgamesh all back. New bodies. New chances

Life in the Universe existed far before Earth. Celestials help create life by ending life on a small scale. It the way life works here on Earth, if anything the other Eternals stood in the way of progress.

Bring him back

He should return for Eternals 2

The guy was just doing what he was supposed to do!

how come ikaris betrayed them? he only want to do what they was supposed to

I hope they show the other celestials in the eternals 2 (if possible) like eson and other celestials

Anyone who watched the movie and decided that anyone who stuck with there original plan was right needs to be locked up and studied

I'm seeing a lot of mixed reviews about Eternals, and I understand why everyone is explaining the good, but I'm about to explain the worst thing about Eternals in 6 words: It Doesn't Follow The Source Material.

1 of 3. Ikaris is dumb: Ikaris could have talked Ajax into getting Phastos to build a machine to shrink/unskrink baby Celestial and a force field to safely remove baby Celestial from the lava. 2 of 3. What is Phastos' limit to inventing? Can Phastos build a machine to replicate the engery from bringing all humans back using the Infinity Stones? 3 of 3. Does this mean there maybe a baby boom as other Celestial babies hatch on their planets?