The real question is ...why don't black people practice the same exclusionary customs as other people? We want everybody to love us , when we don't even love ourselves.

I was engaged to an Indian woman whose parents didn't know she was even dating a black man. Once they found out, they threatened she would be disowned if she continued dating me. She didn't want ro be disowned so she broke off the engagement. Year's later she got married to a white man and the family was celebrating like it was a new year's Eve party. I've seen this time and time again. Yes, they want them ro marry their own BUT they would rather have their children marry a white person than a black person!

I'm originally Indian, engaged to an original African, with both our parents support and blessings. Things could be moving on 🙏😊.

It's not ever easy marrying outside your race, hard enough marrying within your own race.

We won’t get any respect from any other groups until we build ourselves up

As a black person, I fully support Indians marrying within their race and so should we. Each race should marry its own. Black people should stop this nonsense of trying to get accepted and marrying outside their race.

The problem is focusing on the wrong things. Who GAF about what some other people think about you. Nobody has time for people whose minds are clouded with the fear and ignorance of bigotry or prejudice. Be about your purpose. Raise your standards of excellence. Reach for the highest status after all that's what's respected worldwide. Ask yourself, are they worthy of your time and effort, especially considering what invaluable assets (both in character and commerce) that you possess. Concede nothing without a demand. Let them wonder if You will find them acceptable. Make yourself the prize.

In India marriage is very complex. It isn't just about race (either white or black) or religion. It is also about communities and also within communities, you cannot marry someone closely related (from both parents' sides in order to restrict any level of incest). After you satisfy these criteria, you also match the janam kundili (a Hindu birth certificate detailing the constellation at the time of birth) so to marry, they also match these constellations. Finally, marriages in India are for life and it is like two families get bonded for ever.

Respect Your Self. Build The Black Community Structure

Oshay hit nail on the head... You gotta prefer yourself. My cousin was in a relationship with a woman from a west/south asian group and after 2 ½ years of trying to appease her family he broke it off with her. He said he got tired of trying to show them that he was a *"Good Black."* It took longer than I would have liked, but I was glad when him made the decision. You shouldn't have to justify ethnic identity just to be with someone. B1

As an Indian man, there are many layers within the indian culture when dating/marrying outside of their race. Now I have seen relationships between Indian girls with black men and each of them ended up having a child and now they are single. This isn't even a race thing, this has become a cultural. I know black people that strongly believe in the family unit which aligns to traditional indian values however the western influence where a family unit is not priority and parents fear their child will be a single mother where the child has no father to raise and protect them. This is why stereo types plays such a huge part in why its frowned upon. I don't subscribe to all the indian traditional views but I understand why. This isn't a straight forward subject where it's purely based on racism. Indians have been racist to themselves with the caste system. But I have dated a black woman in the past and I love women regardless of their colour or culture. It comes down to culture more than colour imo.

Indians are themselves are diverse and black men especially need to value their black women

Once you understand the Indian Caste system and colorism/racism within their communities, you will conclude that their behaviour is based on racism

Putting your people above others is self preservation the first law of Nature.

Now, this conversation matters and great thoughts shared! We need to create our own thriving communities and circulate our dollars within our communities. If we change our mindset, watch our progression. What we don’t understand is when we marry one another and build wealth together it produces generational impactful differences. Oshay, you spot on with your comments on this relevant topic!

It's not about black per se. It's more about marrying someone with similar background for a successful alliance or marriage. Education, culture, religion, job/income, values like respect for elders, hard work, and so on. Indians pass on this behavior to each generation.

One thing I can say is that being a Black Man is really tough and it's Good we are blessed with the most mental and physical strength

Why do we always need an exclusive expose on who isn’t dating blacks and why we don’t fucking care! I’m fine with dating my own race and could care less if some foreigner finds me attractive

I don’t know the name of this guy but thank you for calling us out as Africans. Its refreshing to have someone from a different world give us their perspective, while at the same time saying it with love❤

Who cares yo if they wanna date you or not who gives a flying ???? That's our problem we are always worrying about the wrong shit!

Why are Black people so upset with "Why Indians Refuse to Marry Black People", or any other race of people for that matter. My point is that "Why can't we be as much into our race as other races of people are into theirs". I could care zero 0% about any other race, and even members of the Black race who would not want to have a relationship with me. To me its about whoever finds me, and If I accept it. We all have to learn how to love ourselves....

If Im being honest, I can understand why other races would be particularly worried if their kid brought home a Black person to marry. No one wants their kid to marry into a community that has such a high level of self hate ( so many Black folk dont even want to deal with each other). Also, look at the conditions of most Black communities around the world. No parent in their right mind would want their kid to feel the lack of community support and broken down social network that the Black community shows daily. It is maddening that Black communities are in the state they are in. It wreaks of instability and danger. Yes, racism exists too, but it isnt the reason for all of what is going on in the Black community.

The message is loud and Clear: Unite, and love your own!!!

Why are we always talking about marrying some other race? I literally don't want to be with a woman, with whom I make a financial pact through marriage, that isn't Black.

Most Indians are just as melanated as Africans, and for the most part, they are very respectful towards us. It's not "racist" if they refuse to marry us since they are a very cultured people who have kept their cultures despite colonialism, war, etc. I think it's ought to be respected, and it's also NATURAL. Most cultures/ethnicites are homogenous.

This here is the conversation we black people need to converse regularly until we get the value of it. We black people in this modern time doesn't talk about this issue at all, the urge to assimilate into other race is ubiquitous. Sticking to your own race is all about race loyalty not racism, racism is something totally different. Every race is loyal to their own kind except for black people, which to me personally is a curse for us blacks. Racism is when one race uses their power and authority to deny other race their right to prosper, live or survive. 😎💯💪🏾✊🏾

Love ourselves, nobody’s coming to save us but us

Their culture is extremely different than ours. We don't have the same beliefs and customs at all. African (black) people have different beliefs. Especially those that are not Christian or Muslims. I don't think it would ever, ever work unless you grew up in their country and really understood the differences. You can't just marry everyone. Even within ourselves it's already complicated. I wouldn't want to complicate things even more. It's a very strong pass for me and my entire family.

I am so blessed and proud to be black. Each day I live I get to love my black skin even more. I see the lengths people are prepared to go to just to prevent their kids from dating or marrying a black person. I have never seen a black person go drastic just to stop their black child dating out of race. We know true love and are a very tolerant people. Racist we are not and thats why we are hated out of pure envy and jealousy. Hate us but want to be so like us 😂.

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I'm an Indian man married to a woman of my caste and we have nothing against any race or religion or culture. However, our parents in majority case are traditional and we have to follow a lot of boundaries because of them.

Who is finding them attractive in the first place?

We concerntrate on everything but ourselves.....that is the problem. My great grand ma is Indian, I've mixed Ugandan and Indian uncles, aunties, etc. We have to stop concerntrating on anything that doesn't include pooling funds and building in Africa. We are social pigeons with no institutional financial huge contributions toward our own strategical building.

The movie Mississippi Masala realistically addressed this topic. It was based on a true story starring Denzel Washington falling in love with an Indian girl who moved to Mississippi from Uganda. The movie touched on multiple subjects dealing with interracial relationships within different cultures.

Blessings to you all for this conversation because it is a very important one that needs to be sorted out.Personally I am of the opinion that we must at the very least stay within our race because when we do not usually we as individuals and as a group loose resources that we can never get back and therefore we find ourselves being stagnant in financially,economically,educationally and spiritually,it is evident as we watch our people get taken by others in so many ways.We must practice "Sankofa"and get back to our once greatness and there is no way to do that when we allow other races and cultures to profit from our labor!

Even as a purely defensive measure, given that we have to live in a world with these other hostile groups, we need to organize

Speaking as someone who is classified as 'Black American', too many African/Africoid/Indigenous Black American people seem to be caught up marrying into another race of people and into another culture. And increasing numbers of Black men in particular seem to be too eager to marry women that are not of their same cultural/ethnic background. We don't want to admit it, but many of us are not pleased with the physical characteristics we have amongst ourselves. Note that when Black people, especially men, marry outside the culture/race, they're aiming for women with lighter skin and relatively straighter hair. They're not trying to build families with people who are unmistakably Black/Black African in appearance. Let's face it - we're considered a sorry bunch because too many of us are too desperate to be accepted by ANYONE else, and we don't respect and honor ourselves to the same high degree that other groups of people respect and honor themselves. We have to re-learn to be pleased with how the Creator made us, and be willing to share that love and admiration with others who mirror us in appearance and behavior.

Great conversations! Quite agree that black people are often seeking validation from others. If a person cannot love themselves for who they are, how can they expect others to love them? They are the only group of people I know who cannot be United long enough to save themselves, who cares about what others think of them, who begs the hardest to be liked!!! SAD!!!

The talking points are absolutely on point, collectively we need to trust and love our own people, long term economics is the way, and stop caring about other people, they don’t care about us

Listen, at the core of the argument, I have no issues. The question is why don’t WE (Black/African diaspora) think and behave similarly? Why this need to integrate or assimilate? Lets prioritize ourselves. Just as long as there aren’t intentional effort to oppress others because you deem yourself superior, we’re good. Good fences make good neighbors.

My mum and dad both came from saint vincent & the grenadines He was Carribean indian and mum was carribean african ,they were married over 50 years. My dads cousin was carribean indian from saint vincent and his wife was carrubean affrican from barbados. They too were married for a very long time . The carribean and America are very different

as someone with a father from India and a mother from Jamaica.. there are parts of my Indian heritage I relate to, however, there’s always been an underlying divide within the family :/

I'm Indian and let me tell you our parents feel the EXACT same way about white people as well. I wanted to marry a white girl and my whole family told me that I could marry her but I would be disowned. 10 years later, now I'm married to a indian girl, someone of my own community and have 3 amazing children and I thank my family from stopping me from diluting my bloodline and my culture. Having said that the African woman in this video is very beautiful!

One of the best discussions on Black/African folks' affairs!!

I’m from Liberia 🇱🇷 in West Africa. My brother have been marry to a Indian woman and have two children for more than 30 years. When my brother met her she was successful and had more than my brother. It depends where you grew up! Europe or America 🇺🇸. I can’t say how her parents thought about my brother, but she loves him. I love black love, but every one have to make their own choices!

Keep this in Mind my fellow Afrcans we have never got friends and will never have one because the historical evidence is clear : You're the Alpha and Omega no matter what ! Stay put the children of Jacob . A word to the wise is enough . You are the Universe.

Great conversation.

Thank you for this well scripted episode. Being a Kenyan national of Indian origin in the USA, I like what Agaba Tumusime explains about his dad's stand and wisdom. While studying in Chicago in my grad class I did a book review on a book written by a Jewish author she writes on the similar lines. Here's my book review from my class on this subject: In conclusion, the importance of retaining one's exclusive traditions while reaching out and being open is evident: The victim group's narratives are neither "misogynistic, and boundary stories are not xenophobic. Maintaining and celebrating group identity without reinforcing estrangement and enmity between groups. Healthy boundaries are essential to retain separate traditions and not be so homogenized that we have no sense of identity or continuity or appreciation of historical purpose, advantages and dangers of openness, and the difficulty of maintaining identity without exclusivity" (P.352). The author acknowledges that the problem of healthy unity in a balanced diversity remains to be solved. This book is a great tool. Sharma, K. Book Review of Tikva Frymer-Kensky, Reading the Women of the Bible: A New Interpretation of Their Stories (New York: Schocken Books, 2002). Sep 18, 2022, Instructions for Life: Pentateuch & Wisdom Literature class, LSTC.

It is not at racist at all. Personally, i will never marry outside my race.

In the Caribbean we inter marry each other all the time no one thinks about it visit Trinidad or Guyana and you will get the most interesting mix of people

When I was young living in Tennessee, I’m 74 now, and before Integration I believe there was more Love in the Black community for each other. It’s worse now between Blacks, especially between the Young & the Old, between men & women. The destruction of the Black family is apparent in 2023, mothers teaching their daughters to be independent, men seeking out of desperation to find a wife having to go outside of their race.

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The whole point of the conversation is that the Indians ,other Asians and Europeans are building there nations and they put that first.Those people never wanted a mixed race nation.Religious customs are different and will be important in a marriage.The vast majority of Indians are Hindu and other non-Christian religions.

I don't quite totally agree with the host. This is similar to what the black Americans are complaining about when Africans come to the USA and kinda avoid them. Africans as much as Asians often have a strong sense of community. There is too much diversity within the black community and often we haven't been able to band together as a group and leverage that power to affect many things like the asians

And what's wrong with that?? You should follow the same and marry within your community.

It’s not just blacks. As an Indian, if I were to marry a white or Chinese, my parents would have been very disappointed to say the least. Indian have a unique culture and we wish to preserve it. Blacks have lost their traditional culture and have converted to Islam and Christianity. Marriages are not sacred and for a lifetime. Commitment is not non-negotiable. There are many exceptions among blacks which is great and there are many Indians that have thrown their roots and traditions out.

The problem in America is not that you're not building community. The problem is that you're binding those communities through poverty and desperation as opposed to family and culture. As a result, these communities don't succeed on a socioeconomic level, thereby raising the entire race. The Asians and the Indians have perfected this.

I had a Indian friend who had a arranged marriage with a guy, but she didn't want to marry him .....she like me very much and I am black ...but I passed on it ..I love my black sistas to much.

I’m glad I came across this. Pretty sure it was recommended to me because I watch Oshay. Love from Jamaica!!

"From variations in skin tone and facial shape to unique traits specific to certain regions, Africa is a testament to the beauty of human diversity."

You have to love yourself before you can love others. But you have to be real and know when it's time to move on.

When I was growing up in the US, I remember learning about arranged marriages. I felt so happy that I would never have to deal with that. We are indoctrinated to believe that is oppressive, and people should just be free to do whatever they want. Now, I am the mother of a teenager. There is no way I would allow my son to pick a wife without offering my wisdom. Looking back, I wish my family could have been more involved in my relationships, vetting the men I dated. I probably would have had less heartache and wasted time. Arranged marriages have a bad name among common folk, but all people who are looking to build generation wealth do it. Those people are perfectly OK with those in the lower level of society mixing it up because without unity, there is no power. Now, most parents in the US feel out of place telling their adult kids who to marry. I suggest that we have a relationship vetting service to help our people, especially our women, with selecting a husband. Not just match making but actually vetting whereby both people are subjected to the same invasive scrutiny an Indian would have to go through to marry another Indian. Being Indian is only a prerequisite. Beyond that, there is more vetting into his family, his cousins, is anyone crazy on his mother side😅 Yeah, that's all useful information.

This was an interesting take. I am a product of an Asian Indian marrying a black man. My mother and her side of the family are from Mumbai , Maharashtra, India. I can speak in both Hindi and English and i know some Marathi. I was raised in a household where my father didn’t reject our mother raising us as Hindus . She always told us we come from a rich history/culture so i grew up and still to this day am extremely proud to be Indian. Even though i am just half. One one side I’m not fully black on the other I’m not fully Indian. But idc. I embrace both my cultures. My father is a black man but he was from Trinidad. He was married to my mother until his death in 2016 (RIP) …. Indians marry Indians because it’s easier marrying someone who is born from and who knows the customs of your same culture as well as following the same religion. That does not mean Indians won’t marry outside of their race. Indians will happily marry someone who keeps their interest and who is interested in their culture and id say most would prefer mates that doesn’t mind converting to Hinduism. Shri Krishna tells us to love all regardless of who it is they’re praying to or believing in. But Shri Krishna also wants Hindus marrying Hindus because within the culture marriage is sacred and it is what our Deva wants us to do. We are a culture going back to BC. We are one of the most oldest culture on earth if not THE oldest. The caste system has nothing to do with skin color. It has absolutely everything to do with Last Name, your family lineage and occupation. The Brahmans are at the top of the caste system and most people of the modern world aren’t in the position as a Sudra . But a Brahmin will never marry a Sudra. They could somehow fall in love and nope. The Brahmin family will never allow it. The book Devdas is a infamous story that depicts how caste system works . If i was living in India , i would be Viasya . I am a Chaudhari through my mother and her family are also married into Patel. Who are landowners. I didn’t mean to turn this into a biography… i just came across the video and the title caught my interest … i wanted to see what was going to be said

Nice and real conversation.

We are the only race who doesn't have survival instinct to mingle in priority with their own. We loose so many good, intelligent men to other communities. This is looking our generational wealth. At this rate, we are going to lose everything

I wouldn't want to be with an Indian woman neither so im not mad at them for not wanting to mess with us like that. I do well with my own women anyways. Us melaninated people should be the same way towards other races and stick to our own during relations and business relations for the community. BUT unfortunately too many of us need acceptance from other races and having self hate issues, one of many reasons why we can't get right. But i still hope for the day for us to come on top for once over other races but in the meantime is just wishful thinking..

One thing that is 100% true especially with black men. You love to blame others and not yourself.

This happened to my friend from Kenya who married an Indian girl from America - They had to get married in secret - Eventually the parents accepted him they did insist on an Indian style marriage ceremony and wedding.

Well, black folks need to do the same thing! Stick within our race! But no, we want intermingle and be friends with everyone who isn't black

I never even looked at them in that manner and thanks for not wanting me!! Thank You!!! Feelings mutual!

A few questions / thoughts: 1. Was the inter-ethnic marrying within African nations a common thing in the pre-colonial past or was it the "liberal" ideas that were eventually adopted that led any walls that existed? 2. The speakers on the right are American raised so there is a blend (and acceptance, not rejection) of the liberal values and their positive scenarios (which I don't they would want to give up for a more-strict ethnic culture if they had the choice) with the observation of the strength of homogenous cultures. I think part of the inter-ethnic and interracial (international marriage) is the at least ideal that we are all one and the same, and do not need to ostracize or be biased against romantic/love relationships across those lines. I mean, in theory, was it the highest form of integration than marriage. Maybe it has been naive and short-sighted, and maybe dark-skinned people (Africans in the context of this topic) have been seen as the lesser option in the eyes of others in the course of the integration of ethnicities and races. For example, in my home country, Nigeria, there were strong inter-ethnic conflicts and mistrust for centuries even before the colonial powers came in. Difference breeds mistrust (possible inescapable) which can lead to violent reactions if there is a sense of ethnic bias in power dynamics. There was an intentional push to expose people from different ethnic groups, including poking through the walls of long-standing marital restrictions, leading hopefully over time to more understanding and less conflicts (or at least the black-and-white mindsets that can lead to violent conflicts) and essentially spreading (lessening) the "risk" that would lead to "otherness".

It really depends in which country they reside. My first cousin’s mother is Indian and father African descent in UK. My maternal family has intermarried with Indians, British and Jewish people.

Gabs is always on point! NEVER dilute your bloodline! The "Black" bloodline is majestic. We are the mothers and fathers of humanity...What is wrong with us man??? I'm so sick of seeing black footballers, and wealthy black athletes, and business men, and women for that matter, marrying non-black spouses. Giving that amassed wealth back to groups of people who already despise us! Build up your own women! I respect tribal traditions, but he way I see it, as long as the person is black it's ok to marry them if the two can make their cultural differences work...Oshay is point too, by the way! Black folks HAVE to stop seeking validation from people who already hate us. And every group hates, and steps on black people.

Marriages are between families and by extension, they are also between the race or the races,that the families belong to, and some families prefer that their son or daughter marry someone of their own race, and that's not racist, it's called freedom of choice and freedom of association, which every human being on this earth, is entitled to

Biblical commandant is what we need to follow but we have strayed so far we are in the wilderness as a people just lost and taking on any foreign entities that come our way !

Its an intelligent discussion, thanks guys.

Ironically in Jamaica they dont behave like that..Neither the older Chinese. Black Jamaicans who are the vast majority have always lived harmoniously with them, no seperation..Marrying an indian and vice vera has never been a problem and so too the chinese. Meanwhile in Guyana and Trinidad its closer to 50/50. some tensions but mostly harmonious..

Oshay , it's a great topic of discussion today .All of the guests are very respectful .

Ethiopian, Eritrea and Somalia are exactly the same and i used to think that they are racist, but now i understand that they love themselves, their culture and heritage comes first. This topic should be spread throughout Africa

Indian people are very loyal and loves their people and wants a stong Indian bloodline Its like a Majestic Bald Eagle I have never saw a Majestic Bald Eagle mate with a crow When you love your people You dont flee from your people You are very loyal to your people

As a women I lay this at the feet of BM so when you start by example then the community will change

I am Afro American when I was a teenager my high school sweetheart who was also Afro American folks didn’t care for me because I was dark skin so we get down like that too.

I had a experience with a Indian woman in Germany They are not all that! I wouldn't want one for a wife! Weak seed that's why I married a Irish woman! Been married 30 yrs strong seed! Gave me strong children!

It’s a difference in religion and Luanguge 💯

Great discussion brothers and sisters!

I don't give a Damn about who doesn't like NUBIAN people. WE have to live our selves First and do our thing

I do believe love is love, you can't help who you fall for but I do think it is a preference. In the Asian community white is accepted not black as the off spring would be too dark skin and will be treated differently. Us black people we date every other race I don't only think it is acceptance but also for our children. We want our children to struggle less, to be accepted in society. In the black community if you are light skinned you are treated better than a darker skinned person. This is fact and reality.

The Answer To All These Question Was As Simple As This Indians And African People Have Different Cultures, This Has Nothing To Do With Race. I Like How People Like To Make Everything About Themselves When It's Have Nothing To Do With Them.

Many of us want to be loved by everybody else but ourselves

What a great subject and opportunity to have had a more dynamic conversation and level up the shows reach by having a representative of that ethnic culture as a 1st hand witness of this topic.

I don’t believe in dating within your race, personally. As a black women, I think it’s important to date outside your race. It’s a a very enlightening & enjoyable experience. Ive dated black men too. Indians aren’t the only race of people & very rare in my area. So this is irrelevant. I also believe if it’s traditional for Indians to not date black ppl, that’s fine too. Ppl should mind their business & do them.

There is nothing wrong wanting their kids to marry people from their own race. My father preferred that I marry someone of my race. He had friends of all races and backgrounds, who would come over and I was brought up to call all elders regardless of race: aunty/uncle. There is nothing wrong with wanting your kids marrying someone of the same race.

The Indian culture value their bloodline and value their women.

I enjoy listening to this podcast. Marrying outside ethnicity is a dicey issue. I advocate marrying whom ever one chooses or who makes him/her happy. But i prefer that marriage should be within ethnicity. But another challenge we have is the diversity of the black race. Blacks is the most diverse race with so many ethnicity, so it's a bit complex. In Nigeria alone, we have over 300 tribes and cultures. There are some tribes that also cut across other countries as well. We have the Fulanis in Nigeria and other neighbouring countries. There is also the economic situation to it. Most people travel outside to earn a living. You're gonna meet different cultures and race. What am i expected to do ?

My sister in laws sister had a black partner but left her. Unfortunately too many times black brother do not stay around and this discouraged a lot of asian sister. I may be generalising but from traditional set up where divorce is frowned upon. Cultural familiarity breaks down a lot of obstacles. its not about race in the west but security. As an Asian, when it comes to marriage, they look for family stability, lineage, economic compatibility even with in their etheric back ground. . At the same time Black communities need to protect its own community as Malcolm X once tried to do. Self respect is born out of being grounded in your own history, culture but unfortunately years of brain washing and thought somehow Black in US (lacking traditional values) are better then African (with traditional values). For me , I have no problem my son or daughter marrying into black community provided they are strong man and woman grounded in Islamic faith with real tangible moral ethical values.

I am a black woman and I saw many Indians blacker than me.

This was REALLY good!

Thank you for this video: I was just thinking about this very topic yesterday. Indians are the top earners in America. I always wondered how many African-Americans marry Indians as I hardly ever see any couples of that dynamic. (I was born and raised In Maryland)

We are entangled into a society where we are surrounded by other nations. We living as “AMERICANS” with AMERICAN CULTURE. With that as our foundation of faith and understanding. That is the reason our African Americans ARE already diverse in culture. We are mixed with every other nation!

Just came across this channel, very interesting. I had to subscribe, watching from Canada 🇨🇦