Excellent discussion here. Thanks for the podcast, guys. I haven't read Iron John but I've heard of the work. I've read some of Robert Bly's poetry. I recently had an experience that raised the heat of my heart to be white hot as Brian described it, and I felt my emotional body pounded over a metaphorical anvil under that heat. It drove me to climb two mountains to process the energy in a peaceful manner. I appreciate the discussion on this. Also interesting that "soul crushing" work may be seen as a condition by which we are not tending to our own souls, and so the monotony of work becomes soul crushing for lack of our own self care, insufficient emotional hygiene.